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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Body Burn Out Show. We are your host, Chris and Filly co-founders of a multi-award-winning winning functional medicine practice, serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
While busyness, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm, it's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root, root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
Sorry, get ready to heal your body, get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in, get guys, and welcome to the ending Body Burn Out show. I'm Chris. I'm who is silly and we've got a really good episode for you today something that Filly geeks out on. Just we've recorded a draft just before and I called what we're talking about bacteria, but it's not bacteria. We are talking about parasites. And there is a difference that she knows a lot about and I don't know a lot about it, but we love to share our knowledge with you and stick around.
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Chris
It's going to be a really interesting episode, no doubt. Those of you who are struggling with some of this stuff, you will find this really handy. And it's fun. Informative. Yeah.
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Filly
So this is really if we wanted to do this episode this week for two reasons one, next month, in a few weeks, we have our free three day life training, which is all about stress, burnout and why your gut protocol isn't working. So I really wanted to do it like a gut centric episode today is to get your your brains ticking around.
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Filly
Why am not be getting results yet? Also, too, I picked this topic out because years ago, my gosh, this is probably going back seven years. I did a random video when I was doing a parasite cleanse and the very start of the video started off like this show. Don't tell anyone, but I've got an itchy bottom and the video is all about how I was doing a parasite cleanse on dying To me.
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Filly
Maybe fraudulence and blastocyst is humaneness, which are two very common parasites that we see in our practice. And I've had like even to this day we get random DMS. I don't know how people are finding this video on Instagram. They must be searching long and hard for diante maybe a fraudulent support, but a lot of people are like, Hey, can you tell me how to get rid of this parasite?
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Filly
So I thought, Well, let's do a podcast on that. Let's really break this down.
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Chris
Nice. Wow, I can't even say it. How do you say it? Die into me?
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Filly
But I love saying it. Diane to me. But fragile is science.
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Chris
Amoeba That's fun to say.
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Filly
And blastocyst is humanness.
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Chris
On a channel. My inner Will Ferrell and in elf diet's me but Diane's me Ava fragile.
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Filly
So okay so if.
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Chris
This.
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Filly
Crisis.
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Chris
Humanness.
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Filly
Curses the brain.
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Chris
That's a scrabble winner right there. Let's look in the show notes if you want to If you want to memorise something that'll get all the good letters. Blastocyst as humanness. Diane To me, but fragile, fabulous can be your triple, triple letter score. Scrabble winning word.
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Filly
Okay, so if Sophia, use of time, we're going to call it different. Boring and blustery. Boring. We can use the full name.
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Chris
Do it.
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Filly
Okay. Now, the number one thing that people think when they discover and these two parasites, by the way, can be detected on your regular JP stool test. So I feel like that's why a lot of people reach out to us around these these parasites. And the number one thing that people assume is that I just need to kill the parasite.
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Filly
I need to kill it. And then all my gut issues and all my other related body burnout issues are going to disappear. So this episode is a bit of a myth buster that, hey, yeah, if you kill it and all your issues disappear. Wow. Awesome. That rarely happens. We very rarely work with people like that because most of the time people have tried to, you know, do some some simple things that they think are the right things.
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Filly
But we aren't just a parasite and a gut where where a body of many bits and pieces. And so we want to break that down today in terms of how do you actually treat parasites so that not only they disappear or they get to a point where your gut can be functional, but also hacking. Actually you actually eradicate symptoms as well, say parasites a bit about parasites.
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Filly
They are part of your normal. They aren't sorry, they are not part of your normal flora. So there are things like Candida, different types of bacteria that are just part of your normal flora. Everything is good. If there is more pathogenic microbes in normal small amounts parasites, not normal, they don't belong in the gut. They are often, you at some point in your life, if you have parasites, have ingested them in some way, usually that is via poo.
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Chris
Right?
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Filly
I'll talk about that a bit more. It is all.
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Chris
Right.
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Filly
Yum yum. Or to talk about eating poo.
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Chris
It's like eating. How does someone to eat poop?
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Filly
talk about how you actually eat too soon. But when it comes to parasites like parasites, they're not all equal. So you can have some really nasty ones. Like Giardia, for example, is is a parasite you do not want to see in your gut because there is countless amounts of research that show that it is very inflammatory. It's kind of like it rips away your gut lining.
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Filly
It it can literally cause blood to pour out of your intestines if it gets bad enough. So that is a parasite that if you say that, yes, we want to kill it. Other parasites like Giardia sorry, not diarrhoea is this epic shot yesterday. If you're watching YouTube, Kristy is going to get geeky and he's going to pull up pictures.
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Chris
Yeah, that's John.
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Filly
It's like, we eat that if I have to make other other parasites that we want to dig in today. Blastocyst as hominins and Cindy Fragilis can be more benign and there's different sub subtypes of these parasites back in the day, like going back maybe 510 years ago there was just this blank it idea that these two parasites were bad they needed to be gotten rid of, which is why a GP will included in their standard pathogen test.
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Filly
If you go to a GP, they'll do like a really basic stool test that will look at five of the main nasty parasites and five of the main nasty bacterial pathogens. Vlasto and Raj are included in these. However, thanks to an amazing PhD scholar, Dr. Jason Horror. Horror Lorac who is from Canada, but he actually lives in Tasmania, believe it or not, has done heaps of research around the microbiome and he's actually discovered that sometimes you can have these two parasites and it's completely fine, they're completely benign.
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Filly
They can actually help to support your immune system. They can be part of a balanced, healthy microbiome. So so I wouldn't jump to jump the gun that if a GP has done a protest or maybe even in naturopathy, a functioning medicine practitioner, it's not always about kill these guys, we're looking at other markers, we're looking at symptomology or in symptomology.
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Filly
We're looking at how your how you're showing up as a holistic whole. So that is my first piece of advice is it's not always about killing these guys when they may become an issue. As I said, there's different types of sub substrates that can be more inflammatory. But what I find is people have a really suppressed immune system.
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Filly
So you can get discover that on a comprehensive stool test as well. So if your Secretary IGA, is very suppressed, then it can often mean that your immune system in your gut lining is really struggling to create a healthy balance in the gut, in which case do we need to kill off those parasites or do we need to support the gut?
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Filly
Maybe both. Maybe one only depending on someone's symptomology. Another thing is like I'm always looking at all at what amounts are these parasites showing up? So again, with the JP stool test that we usually are only like those basic stool tests will just show if it's positive or negative, it's not really showing at what unit those parasites are in.
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Filly
So on the complete microbiome mapping stool test that we do, I think over one he's considered Pat may be considered pathogenic. So if someone's like yeah, you've got Bledsoe and D Frej, but it's only like five points. I'm like, We probably don't really need to go in guns blazing and like slaughter the crap out of these crappy parasites so that you crap is like healthy.
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Filly
Just trying to use that, putting as many times as possible. However, sometimes I've seen like one or both of these parasites in the hundreds and this person like these clients like diary with gut issues, chronic fatigue. I'm like, It makes a lot of sense that we're going to do a parasite cleanse. Now let's let's kill these buggers or at least get them to a level that they're that they're that low.
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Filly
They're back down to like a normal, healthy range that can live in coexistence with your other microbiome. Okay, So some other things.
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Chris
Can I can I just ask a question? How common is it that you get freak out after a GP stool?
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Filly
Tests are so common because most most people who get a GP stool test have pretty chronic or severe gut issues.
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Chris
Okay.
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Filly
A GP will rarely run it just for like general health. If someone goes to a GP for like, I'm fatigued, they're not going to be like, that might be a parasite. So they it's very rare that they run stool tests that if you've got a lot of got issues that if you have a good GP they will not all GP's do sometimes.
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Filly
Like I'm surprised if a client comes to us and they've seen their GP and they've run a bunch of tests and I'm like, Where's your basic stool test? Like I didn't say anything about doing it now. So these parasites can be inflammatory if they're in very high amounts. If your immune system is low, if you've got the type of substrate that is more inflammatory because what the parasites are doing is they're literally spinning off toxic metabolites.
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Filly
And in the same way that you may be sniffing chlorine, probably unintentionally, these parasites are creating its own toxic waste in your gut as well, which then absorbs through your gut lining into your bloodstream, overloads the liver, and so it can cause a lot of systemic symptoms. The other thing is parasites. They eat things, whether you've got the best title, the worst diet, they eat anything, they eat the good and the bad foods.
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Filly
And so people can become really nutrient deficient if you've got a really high amount of parasitic overgrowth.
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Chris
Could this be I hear this a lot of times on discovery calls are trying it as good as I can. I've tried gluten free, I've tried dairy free, I've tried sugar free. But my X-Y-Z is still happening and I've still got blah, blah, blah happening.
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Filly
Yes, great question. It is always thanks. There's always something else going on at the very least. Got health. But in our practice anyway, and anyone who's listened to our podcast knows that it's not just about gut health. So I have seen like I've seen things like gluten allergy intolerances since trips to different food improve over time as we've been working on the gut neural pathways nervous system.
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Filly
So yet it's very rarely just about the food unless you're eating a cardboard white diet, eating fatty takeaway every day, then yes, you will be sick. The other thing too, within parasites and I was really researching into this when I was writing my book ending Body Burn Out, I'm like, I didn't even know this part. But they can eat you.
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Filly
So they.
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Chris
Wait. What?
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Filly
They can literally eat holes in your gut lining and then they can actually like, squirm out of the gut, like to the bloodstream and they can eat other organs.
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Chris
This is, Let's pause the recording right here. I want to go and write a horror movie with this thriller plot right now of, like, this intestinal parasitic worm from from poo. The ball is out of someone's guts into their body, up their bloodstream, into their brain, takes over their nervous system, turns them into a zombie. This is how zombies exist.
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Chris
Are you saying this is a zombie?
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Filly
Zombies are real people. That is the point of today's episode. Chris's theory has been produced.
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Chris
Yes.
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Filly
Okay. So the last study, Fred, if we come back, like specifically to those, they're very prevalent worldwide, including in Australia. So you don't you don't have to have gone to India or Bali to pick up these bugs like and again, that's a myth buster. A lot of people assume that they have to go to a third world country to pick up parasites.
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Filly
But can I tell you right now it's probably hanging in your backyard right now or in your fridge.
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Chris
But why? Okay, keep.
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Filly
Going. And they would be definitely, as I said before, the most detected parasite that we've seen. So testing in our practice.
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Chris
Like from not washing hands or like what was it, What's going on here.
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Filly
Yeah. Okay. You really I just I don't know. I've got a system I'm going to get to that thought. Chris is just like, cut to the end.
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Chris
Tell me how these how. Tell me how these wormy things end up in poo in my in potentially in my mouth.
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Filly
I'll tell you in a second. Yeah.
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Chris
So we get a timestamp there so I can like jump straight to the poo webs.
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Filly
Okay. Now remember, Blaster OCD fridge isn't always bad, so I definitely recommend working with a holistic practitioner that understands whether whether we need to trade or not since symptoms that I would say with these like some really common symptoms, if you've picked up a really nasty subset, would be diarrhoea, cramps, nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain. Sometimes that might be in the onset of the initial infection and then it can kind of calm down.
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Filly
But you got to never the same sense of definitely same with some clients where it's just like severe got issues and it's been going on for months and months, even years. It's definitely associated with IBS. So if you've been labelled, you just have irritable bowel syndrome, you may have parasites and it can also lead to ineffective arthritis as well.
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Filly
So they're very commonly associated to rheumatoid arthritis or aching in your bones, joints, muscles because they're causing so much inflammation.
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Chris
Interesting. What about higher hernias? Go back to an episode.
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Filly
We just forgot about it.
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Chris
do you reckon?
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Filly
Like, is there a connection? Yeah. Yeah, well, there definitely is. So we did a Heidi hernia episode two weeks back. That's where the stomach, which is up into the oesophagus. So if there is distress, if there's inflammation happening further down in the gut, which is where the parasites are living, I mean they can't travel anywhere, then it's, it's just another inflammatory stress state that can wedge his stomach up.
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Chris
Yeah, right. Yeah.
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Filly
D Fraudulence is really interesting. So the stats show that 90% of children who are infected by a D for a symptomatic, whereas only 15 to 20% of adults are so. So again, like and I have found with children well that they my gosh they respond so quickly to parasite clean cleanses, whereas adults now again may or may not need them depending on your situation.
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Filly
But d fridge also being connected to fatigue, nausea, even things like enteric air where it might actually been diagnosed as a mental health condition. But it's literally like this person has no desire to eat and yeah, abdominal pain, all that sort of stuff. Okay, Do you want to talk about where you can pick these guys up?
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Chris
Yeah.
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Filly
Yeah, I get So they aren't part of the normal flora that you can say you pick them up from somewhere. So usually it's via pre, so usually it's unwashed hands if someone shakes your hand and then you put your hand in your mouth so you can infect one another. Crikey. When I did my very first stool test, when I started getting into functional medicine, I had so many pathogens, including blustery and fragile.
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Filly
O In terms of a symptom that we really linked, not the cause, but they were definitely contributing to anxiety that I had back then because when I started the parasite cleanse three days into it, literally, I felt this, this shadow, this heaviness of anxiety start to lift. Wow. Just that I got into skin issues also really common autumn.
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Chris
And I didn't have any.
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Filly
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. So then I'm like, my gosh. Well, if I'm going to go to the pitcher of health.
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Chris
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Adonis.
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Filly
If I'm going to go to the extent of really like my meal, right, or support my gut health, then I don't want Chris infecting me. So I made him do a stool test at the same time you left it to me. And yeah, he had no none of the five.
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Chris
Don't touch me with those poo. He has.
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Filly
So the moral of that story is that.
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Chris
This was my my protector. I have over poo protection device of got my beard and my moustache.
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Filly
Look at that. I The moral of that story is that Chris's immune system was functioning better than mine was. My nervous system was so disregulated, which suppressed my immune system, which meant that if I ingested some of these pathogens, they were more likely to take camp in my gut as opposed to his very interestingly, I also around the same time, my mum and my sister were like, Ooh, this sounds interesting.
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Filly
What can I test? I'm like, Here, do this stool test and a few other ones. Mum on one of my sisters, we almost had the identical stool tests, which was crazy.
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Chris
What are you girls doing that in your family? Just sit around. He's like, I didn't know that.
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Filly
I'm just like kissing it.
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Chris
Taste my fingernails.
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Filly
You know? I reckon it was an environmental exposure growing up, probably. And we'd been carrying these packages for a very long time. Okay, So you could pass it through your hands. If your hands are unwashed, someone has a little particle that has a parasite inside it. Really commonly, too. We pick it up from animal to bad poo, which often is picked up or ingested when we're eating unwashed produce.
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Filly
So if you want to try and prevent, make sure you wash your veggies, you fruits really well, even if they've been sprayed with pesticides and all that sort of stuff.
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Chris
If they've been washed with pesticide. Yeah. What's that crap?
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Filly
I don't know. I'd probably have to do some research around this. I'm not 100% sure if that sort of stuff kills parasites.
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Chris
Wait, what.
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Filly
Like round off and stuff like that?
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Chris
You're right.
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Filly
I might. May do another thing to soil. So if you do a lot of gardening, you may be ingesting it through there. And also water. A lot of clients have developed to these parasites and other things. Three untreated tank water because birds can poo in there or things kind of fester in the water tank. So wanting to make sure you're filtering, treating your water in a natural way.
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Filly
We also had a client once who every day he'd go in row.
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Chris
It row and.
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Filly
He'd just fill his empty drew bottle up in the in the lake water drinking.
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Chris
Beautiful, beautiful Tassie mountain lake full of.
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Filly
Crap like over it, over the months the water bottle started growing seaweed or something, something green inside it. Anyway, he had some very severe gut issues after that. So yeah, we don't want to do that. Wow. Okay. So in terms of testing for them, I mentioned that before, you could start off with the standard test, but it's going to have limited information in terms of the amount of overgrowth that's there.
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Filly
Sometimes the GP tests aren't super sensitive either, so the functional lab tests we use, PCR, DNA detection, where it doesn't really matter if those pathogens have died off in the post or while waiting to get tested, they're actually looking for the DNA cells of them. So there are a lot more sensitive. So I'd definitely be looking at doing a complete stool test there so you can measure the amounts and you can also look at what else is happening, where's your immune system, Is there inflammation in the gut?
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Filly
Is there blood showing up, a beneficial bacteria to play it, or are they really healthy? Are there other types of pathogens showing up like Candida or bacterial overgrowth? Because then that's going to determine whether you need to kill them or whether it's going to be more supportive and more beneficial supporting around the parasites. Okay. Treatment, because this is probably the number one question that, you know, if I get a DM and does like how do I treat it?
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Filly
And I'm like, well, Fanning when he's been listening so far, it's not as simple as like just take some antibiotics or do like a herb. Say again before you jump the gun. Is it necessary that you need to kill Blaster or de French? Maybe, maybe not. But also two before we jump into got work, we always work on the neural endocrine system first.
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Filly
So if someone showing up with adrenal fatigue or really low new neurotransmitters are you're running really busy, addictive, doing overwhelm unconscious programming patterns, we want to spend some time, at least a good month, sometimes longer, calming the nervous system down so that when we get to got work, you're actually going to be able to heal the gut because it's impossible.
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Filly
If you're disregulated, you cannot heal the gut because you're in a chronic state of fat a lot. So when you're in a parasympathetic nervous system, that's the relax, relax state, you can now rest and digest and you're immune. Your immune system and I just call it a parasite, and I just think your immune system can come on board as well.
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Filly
So it's going to be suppressed if you're really stressed and overwhelmed when you're relax, your immune system can actually take part in reducing the load of the parasite. So I'd always work on the neuro endocrine system first before jumping into the gut. Now, if you do need to kill off pathogen parasite, there's some really lovely, very potent anti-parasitic herbs, things like sweet worm without a major clove oil of oregano, pomegranate, black walnut, all of these a really powerful.
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Filly
I cleared my R&D frauds just doing like a natural cleanse. You do not need to have antibiotics or pharmaceutical anti-parasitic to kill them. I actually wouldn't recommend doing it for these parasites anyway. Maybe if you have giardia and you've got really bad symptoms, I'm like, just kill them all straight away and then restore the gut before blustery day fridge.
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Filly
I'd always tend to veg on the natural side. Also too, when you're killing off, sometimes you may need a buyer film disrupt eating supplement something like and acetyl cysteine, which helps to break down the cells that the parasites create around them. And so then that can make any killing off agent really difficult to actually penetrate. Then see you break down the cell so that then when you have whether it's a supplement or medication, it can actually kill them.
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Filly
Some people really love doing hydra, colonics enemas while doing a parasite cleanse as well. That's not usually part of out protocol unless someone super keen and there's lots of people that can flush some water up your button, pull everything out. Okay, then after that. So killing you don't stop there. If you do have to kill you, do not stop there because that parasite or you'll probably just likely get infected by something else.
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Filly
So you then want to look at what other markers are showing up in your comprehensive stool test. If your microbiomes really lower, you want to start restoring those with some really wonderful fermentable carbohydrate plant foods, prebiotics, supporting your immune system and making sure your digestive juices. So things like your stomach acid, digestive enzymes is supported as well. And if there's leaky gut showing up or inflammation, really wanting to make sure that you're healing up, that got lining because it's not just about killing the parasite.
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Filly
We're wanting to look holistically at what else is contributing to the symptoms that you're getting. Then from another body system point of view, I always we always then look into detox support if the person needs it. And again, this is based on LaMarcus because detoxification links very directly to gut health so your liver produces bile, your bile is then stored in the gallbladder and then the gallbladder secretes that bile into your small intestines to break down foods.
00:27:14:21 - 00:27:39:22
Filly
So if you've got detox issues, you're not producing bile properly that flow isn't happening. You can, over time, start breaking down gut health again. And also the bile is a natural antibiotic. So anything that shouldn't be living in the gut, especially in the small intestines that bile just naturally kills off, eliminates things that shouldn't be there any way.
00:27:40:00 - 00:27:50:09
Filly
So you've got this like beautiful internal system that is constantly trying to create homeostasis imbalance in your gut, which is really cool.
00:27:50:11 - 00:27:58:12
Chris
Is that why when you vomit after like gastro or something vomit up bile, sometimes you vomit up bile.
00:27:58:12 - 00:28:30:23
Filly
Yeah. Some people can for sure. Yes. Yes. Yep. Yep. And then from a lifestyle point of view, so your foundational things say good sleep, mindful movement, looking into deeper causes is stress hygiene. So washing your hands, washing your fresh produce, all that sort of stuff is going to also help with supporting the healing of your gut and getting rid of the parasites if they need to be gotten rid of and also antioxidant rich food.
00:28:30:23 - 00:29:00:20
Filly
So although parasites eat everything, if you're really focusing on like vegetables would hold your antioxidants probably the most out of all the food groups you're eating heaps of colour, lots of grains. Then from a food as medicine point of view, it's going to help to to reduce any pathogenic overgrowth that shouldn't be there because your but you're providing those nutrients that help support that.
00:29:00:22 - 00:29:03:05
Filly
Co co.
00:29:03:07 - 00:29:03:22
Chris
Let's push on.
00:29:04:00 - 00:29:33:08
Filly
All right. Sorry. Now, what if you've done all this? What if it's like, yes, I have worked on my adrenals and I've done all the gut protocols and I've been like, you haven't just cured of like looked at, you know, I'm getting better sleep, my lifestyle's better, but my symptoms are still there. So whether that's got symptoms or maybe it's fatigue, a fibromyalgia or autoimmune condition or anxiety, what then?
00:29:33:09 - 00:30:03:12
Filly
So what I find that some people do is they always go back to the pathogens or toxins. It's like, I must have killed off the pathogens enough. I've got to keep killing. I've got to keep killing, killing, killing, killing, killing. Do not do that. Even if someone recommends you do that, I would recommend not doing that. Because if you kill, kill, kill, and it's going on for months, like I would not do any kind of killing off protocol any longer than two months without reassessing.
00:30:03:14 - 00:30:32:08
Filly
And I'd be very hesitant to continue unless we have some rea testing to see what's happening there. But the thing when you kill, kill, kill, even if you're doing it naturally, is that it's going to it's going to deplete your beneficial microbiome over time. So you don't want to do that long term? Absolutely not. Otherwise you paint yourself in the corner and things can just get worse and worse and worse because you've beneficial bacteria in your immune system is getting more and more depleted.
00:30:32:10 - 00:30:59:00
Filly
Also, if you're like, Yeah, I've been doing all the protocols, but I'm still not better. But you're still running fight flight overwhelm perfectionism patterns, which a lot of people do, and they often go into trying to do healing protocols perfectly. And there's a lot of guilt and shame around to have missed a supplemental or haven't been perfect with the diet, your body cannot heal in a fight or flight response.
00:30:59:00 - 00:31:31:12
Filly
It's going to suppress your immune system also, which means that any any attempt to reduce pathogens in your body is going to be overrun by you staying in a fight or flight response. So be thinking about unconscious reprogramming in that a point of view and also a brain rewiring. So this is really interesting. Sometimes you have done all the protocols and you've done a great job at it and you do a retest and it's like the pathogens are gone, leaky guts healed.
00:31:31:14 - 00:31:55:12
Filly
My beneficial microbiome is getting better, yet your symptoms is still there. That, my friend, is where you now need to break down old neural pathways and create new ones. So when you've had chronic issues for a long time, let's take bloating for example. It's like, yeah, might have started because your gut was dis biotic, you're in a fight or flight response and then you started reacting to gluten.
00:31:55:12 - 00:32:22:10
Filly
For example. It's like we clear up the gut. The body is now healthy, yet you're still having trouble with eating gluten. It's like, I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Maybe I just can't eat gluten anymore. That is almost always a neural pathway that can be changed. So your brain over time has connected your gluten as a trigger, as a danger trigger.
00:32:22:12 - 00:32:46:20
Filly
When you eat it, it then sends a signal down to your gut to bloat. So the pain is trying to get your attention that something is unsafe. And so the most wonderful thing I feel like in our program is that we we literally see clients, chronic symptoms disappear really, really quickly when we tap into unconscious and brain rewiring.
00:32:46:20 - 00:33:31:16
Filly
It is sorry. Amazing. So I definitely wouldn't stop at physical support. If you still feel like this symptoms, it is not your lot to continue living with symptoms and just managing them. You can absolutely rewire whole self. We love to look at conditions and symptoms is like symbols as well and deeper mental emotional causes. So if you have enjoyed this podcast and you want to know more about our holistic approach to healing, not just the gut but body burn out in general, so that generally shows up his energy, mood, gut issues.
00:33:31:18 - 00:33:55:16
Filly
We are running in a few weeks, a three day live training called Stress Burn Out and why your gut protocol isn't working. We're going to on day one, really look into the other body systems that often get missed when people are trying to treat their gut and other related symptoms. Data. We're going to look into the presupposition that you're not broken.
00:33:55:16 - 00:34:23:10
Filly
So stepping in to take back your power to look at how your your patterns and your symptoms are actually keeping you safe and protected. Because until you can say that healing, it's unsafe to heal. And then the third day we're going to really dig into the bank brain controls pain. So that's what I was just talking about before in terms of you can do all the physical protocols, but still getting symptoms.
00:34:23:10 - 00:35:03:13
Filly
What now What we're really going to look into how the body creates neural pathways that get triggered and cause symptoms and how you can actually rewire and build new neural pathways. So we're really excited about that. It's going to be so value packed, it is completely free. We've also two other events happening the week before and week after week, like Go and Gung Hari because it's Natural Medicine Week in May and as an ambassador for Natural medicine, I just love to get the good word out there on how we can heal our body holistically and naturally.
00:35:03:15 - 00:35:34:00
Filly
So there's also a Communicating with symptoms webinar. Now this one does cost money. It's $27. It's actually going to be less a webinar and it's going to be really meaty. It's going to be a workshop. You're going to learn how to actually learn what your body that is trying to say to you through your symptoms, through your emotions, through your sensations in your body, and how you can gather insights and learnings and also be able to switch off symptoms.
00:35:34:02 - 00:36:01:08
Filly
And then I think it might be the 27th of May, we're going to do another webinar called Three Steps to Ending Body Burn Out, where we're going to take you through the exact steps that you need to and your body burn out for good and to find your beautiful spark. That one is free. So I'm going to put in the show notes a link to all three of those events, if you would like some more help with this.
00:36:01:10 - 00:36:24:13
Chris
And we also have our ending body burn method. If you would like to, you can jump onto the white list for when we open doors again, which will be very soon. You can click this link that's in the show notes as well. It's right up in there for you to hear all the good things get to the root, root cause of your body burn out symptomology.
00:36:24:15 - 00:36:41:21
Filly
And if you're on the wait list, you will get access to some pretty cool early bird bonuses, a value of $500, which is like quite a lot when considering it's the quarter of the price of our semi-private option. So jump on the white list.
00:36:41:23 - 00:37:02:05
Chris
Thank you so much for joining us today, guys. We hope you've had a good one talking about po bottoms and and dust that you can pass from person to person and stuff like that. Hi. Good times have. You have the best day ever. We'll talk to you.
00:37:02:06 - 00:37:24:19
Filly
So thank you so much for listening. We so appreciate you. If you'd like to give us extra smiles, drop us a review and spread the love by sharing this episode.
00:37:24:21 - 00:37:43:04
Chris
You can also write your own state of burn and the root cause contribute is by taking out ending body Burn that assessment on our website. And if you're interested in learning about our group one on one ending Body burn out programs, shoot us a DM via Instagram or Facebook. Have the best day ever.
