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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Buddy Burnout show. We are your host, Chris and Phile, co-founders of a multi winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, business, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body, get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Chris
Hello guys, and welcome to this episode of the Ending Body Burnout Show. Finley and I were just reflecting on how many episodes we have recorded, and at the time of recording, we're up to 155, so this one is probably going to be around 160 or something like that. That's pretty cool. That's really cool.
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Filly
Three years, three year anniversary. Maybe we should probably find that out.
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Chris
Yeah, cracked as well. Awesome. Okay, so today's episode is all around Covid 19, which is.
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Filly
Also the week's. Is it the sixth year of the fifth year, 2020 6th March?
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Chris
The 25th or the 26th was was the day that I had to call all our members of the gym and tell them to not come in and to stand here. Yeah.
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Filly
So yeah, this month also marks the six six year anniversary of Covid 19.
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Chris
In Australia.
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Filly
In Estrela. I think Haven USA was March as well.
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Chris
Was it? I was pretty I'm pretty sure it was around like February, January.
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Filly
Anyway for the Christmas six years.
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Chris
Six years. Yeah. So big time.
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Filly
I've actually had this idea for this podcast has been out on my right after probably three years on my one day I would love to do a podcast episode on net, just the collective trauma that everyone talks, and it's generalised that most people experienced during Covid in some way, shape or form. And also to talk about if that trauma is still stuck in your system.
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Filly
Because if you haven't done anything active around clearing trauma from that experience, it's highly likely still embedded in your neurology. So we thought we would. Yeah, do a podcast episode on what that would look like. If that is happening for you. And then we're going to do a pot to episode. So for the following week, we will actually take you through a practice that we use in our ending body pain out method with our clients.
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Filly
There's lots of different practices we use for, processing post-traumatic events, but we're actually going to take you through one of those in part two episode of our Covid series two part series.
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Chris
Okay, oops. Covid for me was was different to most people that I talk to at at the time I was I was feeling.
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Filly
So we talk about that a little bit.
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Chris
A little bit later on.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just because it will be useful for us to talk about our different experiences and how that shows up for different people.
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Chris
Yeah. Sounds good.
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Filly
Okay, so I want to talk about anniversaries first of all. So anniversary of our podcast, anniversary of Covid, what I've seen in practice. And I thought it was a bit woowoo where I started noticing it, or actually it was when I was a student and I was doing work experience with a natural Path, who is also a homeopathic, practitioner, and she did energy healing as well, and she talked all about anniversaries all the time.
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Filly
She's like, oh, yep, such and such is booked in again. I reckon it's been a year. That's probably because their, wife died at this time ten years ago and their bodies speaking to them again, and she was always brought. So if you're noticing that you're having a bit of a rough month this month, it could be connected to Covid 19 trauma.
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Filly
I mean, Covid also expanded over many, many, many months, and years. So it could be showing up at different times of the year. But I thought I would just mention that because it's not uncommon for trauma responses in the mind and body to ramp up on anniversaries. Our cells have memory, our muscles have memory. Our brain now unconscious mind holds memory, and we are cyclical beings.
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Filly
Sorry. Anniversaries such as one year around the sun. Your body can speak up when your conscious, logical, rational mind doesn't realise it's happening. We actually had a client. She shared her story on our podcast, Sam. She was getting Goldstone attacks and they always ramped up around her birthday month, which carried a lot of sadness, loneliness and neglect from past events, especially from her childhood.
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Filly
And it was almost like right bang on right before her birthday, another gallstone attack. I mean, she healed from it and she no longer gets the gallstone attacks, but it was just super interesting that the body can speak on anniversaries of traumatic events such as Covid, natural disasters. Maybe if you had a car crash, or. Yeah, at the anniversary of losing a loved one.
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Filly
Just something to keep in mind. Sorry. Let's chat about all the ways that people experience trauma during the pandemic. And I'm pretty sure you probably be aware of most of these. You've probably experienced a lot of these as well, so I'll just we'll just whizz through them, just say that we've got to be a context around what we're talking about.
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Filly
And this is also how it showed up for me, and also how it's shown up for clients in our practice when we have realised that the onion layers of why they were experiencing body burn out was related to some Covid related trauma, plus lots of other things. Big one for me was financial and security, financial insecurity and stability.
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Filly
So Chris's team got lockdown and all my clients disappeared. I was, practising functional medicine back then. Everyone thought the world was going to end, and. Sorry, everyone just disappeared. And then I'm freaking out thinking, how the heck are we going to make money? And that was really stressful because we also pivoted the business at the same time.
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Filly
We made some booboos there were some things that we put out into the world that didn't quite take off. And, you know, in hindsight now, I'm like grateful for those experiences I learnt and I grow. But back then it was really traumatising, like it was just feeding into these financial worries and money fees that were already there pre-COVID anyway.
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Filly
It was just that Covid amplified them. There was also, again, for me, and I know a lot of other parents that juggle in overwhelm is homeschooling, while also trying to work full time. And just feeling sorry mentally and physically stretched. I know for me and other people that I speak to, that there was a lot of getting the Covid jab, pressure.
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Filly
Personally from my family, I yeah, there was some, some pressure from my, my family. Not in terms of Chris, but extended family that it's like if you don't get the jab, you're going to kill your dad. He's got like a heart disease condition, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And these words were kind of set that way and sorry, here I am.
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Filly
I'm trying to be like a good daughter, good sister, good aunt. Also in the profession, month by month, there were different states that were like, okay, nutritionist, naturopathy, functional medicine practitioners. You need to get the jab now. Luckily, Tasmania was never mandated in terms of my profession, so I wasn't forced to do that from a, career point of view and a work stability point of view.
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Filly
But I know that there were a lot of clients and a lot of friends and people that we spoke about that lost their jobs because of the vaccine. Or they got it, but they felt really pressured, bullied, ostracised around doing it. One of our clients, Jo, who shared her healing story on our podcast, spoke really into this that, you know, there was just so much bullying and so much pressure around getting that vaccination.
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Filly
Then we've had other clients who have had vaccine injuries. We've also had clients who are still recovering from long, whole Covid. And so, yeah, that's another way that trauma shows it up during Covid times three, ill health or, you know, there were even deaths. Some people's loved ones died, whether it was from Covid or the vaccine or vaccine injuries.
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Filly
And so there is a lot of collective trauma. I feel like there was so much media hype around this as well that just amplified people's experience of how scary and frightening this experience was.
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Chris
Carl Stefanovic just came out this past week, and I don't know when you're listening to this, guys, but but this past week, he he talked about his role. He was really ashamed and sorry of his role in in the scaremongering campaign around Covid. And he says he put that, he wishes his role was more around education rather than compulsion and, campaigning.
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Chris
And I think that's really something that did happen. I'll speak about this in a second, but but, you know, the media, what you mentioned, family and other people were saying around, you're going to kill blah, blah. You're going to do like that is what was that's just a that's just a slider. Those words weren't theirs. Yeah. As well they weren't.
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Chris
This was parroting.
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Filly
The government's words.
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Chris
Honestly and.
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Filly
Maybe is.
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Chris
Where I'll talk. We'll talk about that in a second.
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Filly
But vaccination companies words that were like, we want to make a lot of money with this potentially.
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Chris
Well, actually it's a little messy. I'll talk about it now because because that is that is for me when when I think about like this charge that I'm feeling in my in my self right now, I noticed I was breathing, I was I was often, you know, like grinding my teeth and I'm like, I'm feeling this feels I'm sure a thing.
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Chris
And my highest value is just reflecting on this, my highest value was around is around freedom. And and I am very, very, clear on my boundaries. And I don't mind who you are. If you're the queen of England, the prime pick, a prime minister and prime minister. My wife, my children, my mom, my dad, my mother in law, my father in law.
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Chris
I don't mind who you are. I, I I value my freedom as much as you value sleep. I'm up there with. I'm high up there with freedom. Right?
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Filly
Yeah. Well, as interesting, like, as you talk about that, because neither of us, got vaccinated. Mine was around health. Like, it's like I value my health and I don't, I, I don't know, I, I don't know what will happen. Yeah.
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Chris
The outcome was the same but different reasons. You know.
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Filly
Your higher value is freedom is like how and I am not going to get this vaccine because I have rights and I'm not going to let someone tell me that. I tell me what to do when I actually have a choice in this matter. And I know this doesn't.
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Chris
Make sense to me. Yeah, I make make me understand. And then it's like, well, you should. I'm like, well, now I don't trust anything you have to say. Let me hear from somebody else. Well you should okay. Well I'm not listen to you either. And so, so but but what I was getting at is trauma, for guys and girls like me, with that freedom value, there is a, there is a lack of trust around the government.
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Chris
Politics is always pendulum eating. And, and I see, a lot of similarities with other times in the past where, where systems and whole, whole regimes collapsed because, the pendulum swings in the freedom direction in an unhealthy way and, and stuff. So, so my point is, just real quick, that trauma might not be, like there can be a governmental, political trauma that where people lose trust in elected officials, they lose trust in the system and whole our country is is is not the same as it was pre-COVID.
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Chris
And I think that yeah, that's the pendulum.
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Filly
And the freedom wasn't just about the job. It was also like you, you would like if I think about the game, it's like you're a dictator. I got told you cannot run your business. In a physical facility anymore. It's like, how can I. I mean, like, you know, we pivoted online and then it ended up being the best thing because.
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Filly
Yeah, you finished? Hello? Yeah, here we are. Here we are today together. But, yeah, there were just so many ways even, like, you can't come into my shop unless you put I. Unless I see that you put,
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Chris
Show me your sticker.
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Filly
You're not wearing a mask. You're a bad person. Get out. You know, there were just, like, a lot of things like that. So that's definitely another way of another way, a big way that people would have experienced trauma. I noticed that a lot of clients health anxiety really flared up around that time, and maybe it wasn't even there at all.
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Filly
It's kind of like I've got some health issues, but then that really wrapped it up. So people who were told that it's like you're at high risk of dying from Covid, you cannot go out or you have to get like three vaccinations to protect yourself. You know, just cause so much for being in the world. It was also loneliness, isolation, thoughts, suicide and so like depression, right?
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Filly
Yeah. Just like increase so much during that time and just the experience of uncertainty. No brain, no nervous system likes uncertainty. And basically Covid was just a year, two, three years of uncertainty, especially for talking about in Australia, people who lived in Melbourne had it super tough with the like the ongoing lockdowns. Yeah, that was a lot going on during these period of time.
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Filly
And that's why I've like had it in my heart that I'm like, I want to do a episode on this because like, yeah, it's what's been and gone and it's passed now, but is this still stuck in your system somehow contributing to your mental and physical health issues? I also because I was considered essential, work. Because I was in the health space, I was allowed to continue operating in person, even though I chose for a period of time to just do it fully online.
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Filly
But when I came back in person, I was just constantly worried about spreading the germs, even though, even though I'm like, I don't want to get the vaccination. But also there is this real thing that is happening, and I'm also meeting with clients who, are more vulnerable. And so I was just like, constantly overthinking and worrying about how am I going to make someone sick?
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Filly
Am I going to make someone sick, even, you know, going out into public or the shops or wherever I was? It was just constantly like, I feel fine, I think I'm okay, but what if I'm kind of brought down and I give it to someone?
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Chris
This is a huge pattern that we see still today, but not not around Covid. This could be around like just trying to solve, any sort of puzzle or problem around health. There's there's a lot of fear and shame and guilt and frustration and overwhelm all this sort of stuff and pick it, pick it. Illness, any illness. What's the most recent one I'm thinking of is like just around, I had a conversation with someone around Hashimoto's and thyroid and trying things and stuff, and it's the guilt and the shame that that we heap upon ourselves.
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Chris
And the other people say, you should be doing this, you should be doing that. And and we get stuck in the matrix of, of frustration and flare ups and things like that. And it's very it can become very confusing and you lose hope. A it's natural in that instance for a person to lose hope as well. Yeah. Makes it makes sense.
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Chris
Yeah.
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Filly
Something else I personally struggled with was as a practitioner. So I guess like a position of leadership. I was getting a lot of questions around the vaccine and I'm like, I have an opinion, but it's in my due to give my due diligence. I want to make sure that whatever I share with people, I'm giving them the pros and the cons.
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Filly
But I'm also basing it on research and what we know so far, so far out. Like I did this, I thought it was just going to be a one hour webinar where I think I sold it for like $27 or something. It's like, come along then the pros and cons and you can make your own decision. Do you remember that?
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Filly
It ended up being like a whole day of talking live with people all about the vaccine. What was.
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Chris
That on? What's that thing?
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Filly
Immune system? Because I put so much pressure on myself and I wanted to try to do the right thing, even though no one really knew. Like, really there wasn't enough time and space and research to really know how both like, the Covid and also the vaccines were affecting us. But I was just like in the goodness of my heart, I wanted to do the right thing.
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Filly
And part of wanting to do the right thing was, and I've never shared this publicly, although I have read like people privately and some clients privately, but I want to share it now because it actually feels very liberating that it feels safe to do this.
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Chris
Are you talking about this one?
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Filly
Yeah.
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Chris
Before you go into the rest of it, I want to, I want to I just want to clarify what those tests are as well.
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Filly
The rat test. Yeah.
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Chris
Yeah. Like these are the the story you're about to say. He's got a story about a rat test. Yes. Just just just about what they actually are, so. Okay. You know, there's tests that you could walk into the service station, into 7-Eleven nowadays, and you can like on the discount.
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Filly
To buy them.
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Chris
Now. You can still buy them for like five bucks, ten bucks or whatever they are. It's just like a little cotton swab. Shove up your snores and.
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Filly
Everyone would know what a rat.
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Chris
You know what they are. No no no no. But the the same ones that you can get from 7-Eleven.
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Filly
Were the same ones that they started using.
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Chris
That Philly's going to talk about in this story.
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Filly
Yeah. Okay. So this is it start of kind of what it would have been a few months into it. They just developed the rat test. And this is what this was.
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Chris
When I think it was a few months, I think it was in.
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Filly
Like a year.
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Chris
No no no no no no I think it was it was in the middle of lockdown okay. So May.
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Filly
Okay.
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Chris
April. May.
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Filly
Yeah. So that's a few months.
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Chris
Or so a month. Yeah.
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Filly
Anyway whatever. Early on in Covid. Yeah. And this is when, if you wanted to get a rat test done, if you were showing signs of Covid, you had to line up and wait two hours as you drove through, football stadium to get a nurse or a doctor, to take your swab. Okay. So during this time, nature path, he, the company that we use, our lab test suite, they released a rat test, one that you could do at home.
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Filly
And I'm like, wow, this is ingenious. I mean, like, yes, people have to pay for it. I think it was like $60 or something. But if you want to save time, you don't want to go out. You don't want to wait for hours. And or if you just want to have it sitting at your home so you can do your own little self-swab, send it into the labs and see if you've got Covid or not.
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Filly
Happy days. Like who? Why would that's what a great idea. And so anyway, I put up a post on social media and I said, hey, yeah, I have access to this lab test. If anyone wants it, just let me know. It does cost money. Like, you can do it through the medical system and it's Medicare rebated.
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Filly
But if you wanted to fast track that. Here you go. Here's a test. We had never had a post go viral like this. Posted like it had thousands.
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Chris
We got media coverage and it has.
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Filly
Thousands of not likes. There are a lot of angry face.
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Chris
There was lots of lots of abuse.
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Filly
Abusing in the comments. Yeah, right.
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Filly
Do you have you're just a nutritionist or what even is a functional medicine practitioner. This is irresponsible.
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Filly
This is unethical, blah blah blah blah blah. And so like after a day.
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Chris
Chilli's crying, she's she's in tears and I'm just like, I'm like, okay, I'm right here. Let me warm up my Facebook response muscles.
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Filly
Let's say like it's like I was trying to do the right thing. I thought that this would be a really lovely, helpful thing to like, give people the opportunity to have this. And I was just I was expecting like lovely, like supportive comments of like, you.
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Chris
You were smashed. So we were smashed.
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Filly
I was gutted, and traumatised and I, I deleted the posts probably within 24 hours because I'm like, this is. And like it was shared, I don't know how many times, like hundreds of times. And then I think a couple of days later I got a call from a newspaper that said, so,
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Chris
What are you doing? Are you selling these tests?
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Filly
Like so we've heard that you're selling these rat tests, and, you know, we want to write a story about it. And we would like to get a comment from you. Would that be okay? And still to that moment, I didn't think I'd done anything wrong. I was like, yeah, sure, I'm happy to give a comment because I haven't done anything wrong.
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Filly
The thing with the tests to when they were released is they were TGA actually approved them. Yeah. Like they weren't just sold on the black market. It was a reputed or official. It was official had like a certified gold standard stamp on it. But it just went nuts. And so anyway and then the made the news type of person said, do you like, are you okay if we use your name?
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Filly
And then I'm like, yeah, because I haven't done anything wrong. But then as soon as I hung up the phone, I'm like, am I? Can you get in trouble for this? And so anyway, like I shut the I don't think I had shot, I had already deleted the parts because I'm like, this is just nuts. And then a week later, naturopath pulled the test off the market as well.
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Filly
So I assumed that they would have got massive backlash, as well as all the other practitioners that were saying, like announcing that this test is available.
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Chris
And how dare you guys make money are the only people who are allowed to make money. American pharmaceutical companies get out of it.
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Filly
So I was insomniac by this point. I already was having trouble sleeping because of all the financial stuff and just the stress of homeschooling and pivoting the business, that by then I was like, I could not even close my eyes at night. And then, my health issues really, really ramped up. And the cherry on the top was it was probably about a month or so later or a few weeks.
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Filly
I got an email from TGA, warning me that I had been negligible. Whatever their words were negligent. Negligent, and that if I didn't rectify this, then I would either be fined. I think I actually think it was more than 150. I think it was like $300,000 or I would go to jail. And I'm reading this about all I'm like, going to check you, right?
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Filly
I'm like, I've already deleted the post. I haven't sold one. That's and sorry, that was so stressful because then I had to like, try and, you know, talk to TGA and explain what happened. And like it's already been deleted and like I'm not doing anything wrong. I didn't ever do anything wrong. But I still had like it. They put a black mark next to my name and.
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Chris
Oh yeah, a.
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Filly
Troublesome practitioner, which then meant for five years. So it was really only this last year that I could, or, like what I what's the word I could get insurance without needing to explain what happened. So for five years, every time I went to renew my insurance, I had to call up the company, tell them the story again.
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Filly
They were totally fine with it. They're like, oh, that's okay. So anyway, that was massive.
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Chris
That's huge. That's a that's a very big T, big trauma right there. There was.
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Filly
Huge. And I had to I definitely did some really specific work around that and everything that I spoke about, because it was just and it wasn't. And I will talk about that in a moment, because it wasn't just those experiences. It's kind of like that was the that was just more stuff that added to.
00:25:46:19 - 00:26:11:11
Chris
It all together. I have, one one of my, favourite analogies around this is about how trauma is like a cake or something, something else that you eat, and it's just, digestible because there's so, so much that you're putting into at at one time fire hydrant kind of. You want to drink? Well, here you go. Fire hydrant.
00:26:11:12 - 00:26:23:01
Chris
You know, this is what trauma is like. It's it's too much to handle. It can't digest that. It makes you feel sick and makes you feel frustrated, overwhelmed, stretched, then all that sort of stuff.
00:26:23:05 - 00:26:51:13
Filly
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So how let's talk about how trauma gets stuck in the body. So Bessel van der Kolk wrote the amazing book The Body Keeps This Goal, which beautifully explains how trauma gets stuck in the body. So it was pretty groundbreaking when he first released the book, because previous to that, a lot of people in the kind of like psychological well thought that trauma was just a mental problem.
00:26:51:13 - 00:27:31:05
Filly
It was just like, a mental memory that you needed to change. But three van de cults work, and many others, they discovered that trauma actually gets physically stored in the body by storing the experience in the nervous system, the muscles and the tissues. So essentially, the body remembers what the mind tries to forget. So you could pass through Covid, it would be like, oh, you know, it's okay now because like, all the borders are open now and like, people are not getting pressured to have vaccines anymore and people aren't dying from Covid.
00:27:31:07 - 00:28:05:14
Filly
Yeah. If your body is still holding on to past distressing events during that time, the body is still going to manifest symptoms. So things like chronic pain, tension fight, flight, freeze patterns and reactions. And this not only shows up in your mental health, but it can also show up in your physical health. So essentially, when you've got this stored trauma in the body, it causes your nervous system to be more wired and on and dysregulated.
00:28:05:14 - 00:28:25:17
Filly
It causes your amygdala. So the see part of the brain that's kind of looking for it is survival part of the brain. So it's trying to help you to survive by looking for danger that gets amplified. And then the brain and the nervous system is also interacting with your body system. So that's where you can develop adrenal fatigue.
00:28:25:17 - 00:29:02:03
Filly
Mitochondria can retract. Your gut can switch off. You can your immune system can suppress you can accumulate a lot of pathogens. Your detox pathways can get burnt out. And essentially that's how the body holds the score. That's how physical symptoms can show up as a trauma response. And a pretty good indication of that is when you experience stress or a trigger and your symptoms flare up is highly likely a traumatic response and pattern stuck in your neurology that needs processing.
00:29:02:05 - 00:29:27:18
Filly
And it's kind of like, yeah, just, a pressure cooker of stuff that happens over time. So Covid was unlikely. The only trauma you have ever experienced is big T traumas. And then there's also little t distressing events and they will accumulate over time. Right from the moment that you were born or even in the womb to the day that you die.
00:29:27:18 - 00:29:52:07
Filly
Now, if you're not processing those throughout your life, these traumas end up stuck in your unconscious mind, nervous system, brain, and it ends up being this big pressure cooker that over time is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And then you can imagine something like Covid coming into this pressure cooker. It is the last very big straw.
00:29:52:07 - 00:30:18:12
Filly
Or it could be the last very big straw on the camel's back that then causes symptoms to start manifesting and exploding. So if that is you, or, you know, you can say that that pattern has happened, then that's why it's happening. And this pressure cooker analogy too, it can. I was thinking about this person. I haven't besides writing it on the notes and we haven't talked about this, but I wonder if.
00:30:18:14 - 00:30:19:10
Chris
I like these ones.
00:30:19:14 - 00:30:41:18
Filly
I wonder if that's partly why Covid really affected me. I mean, you talked how it affected you from my freedom point of view, but it affected me in like all ways, because you'd already do it like I hadn't started my journey in terms of like deep inner metaphysical healing and rewiring. Whereas you'd kind of had like three years of it.
00:30:41:20 - 00:30:52:08
Filly
Yeah, really. And I just wonder if maybe your pressure cooker was a lot less than mine when Covid happened because of the work that you'd already been doing to process past experiences.
00:30:52:10 - 00:31:20:15
Chris
I would even I wouldn't say it was only three years, but I would say in specific, coaching sphere, it was three, three years. Yeah. But yeah, I feel like I mean, it's still it's still hit me. It's still still pulled me off track and and required some, some readjustment. And, that was a big thing. Big experience.
00:31:20:17 - 00:31:36:02
Chris
Yeah. Just a little bit of a different thing. I, I enjoyed my experience of lockdown. I thought it was probably the best time that the planets, had in terms of noise pollution for a really, really long time. I think.
00:31:36:03 - 00:31:37:19
Filly
A nice pace to.
00:31:37:19 - 00:31:58:14
Chris
It. I don't, I don't know if you can hear. I was trying to get the microphone to pick up. We've got these, crickets and cicadas in our, in our garden at the last couple of months. And, I don't know, but back back in Covid, I remember walking up to up to the gym, which I had to do because that was where all the stuff was.
00:31:58:14 - 00:32:18:17
Chris
I just couldn't have clients in there. I remember walking there and we lived about maybe a 15 minute walk for me. I used to take about half an hour to walk up there, just nice and slow, relishing in the quiet. It was early in the morning and late at night that I would come home and, it was silent.
00:32:18:19 - 00:32:37:05
Chris
It was amazing. It was one of the best times ever. Just to like, hear no cars on the highway, on the roads, just to hear people talking and laughing in their houses as I walked past them. It was it was a beautiful, beautiful experience. I'll remember that forever.
00:32:37:07 - 00:32:51:10
Filly
And you know what wasn't quite the done loop? Like any nature walks, which was also which was also a really lovely experience because there was so many people like out in nature, moving their body and really excited to see, hey.
00:32:51:10 - 00:32:51:23
Chris
How you going?
00:32:52:04 - 00:33:00:05
Filly
This is like, hey, we can't like, stay close to you or, you know, I don't even know you, but it's so nice to see another human being right now.
00:33:00:07 - 00:33:28:18
Chris
Yeah, that was it. So yeah, I enjoyed it. I mean, there was challenges. There was it was overwhelming and in some ways and frustrating in others. But it was it was a challenge. And, I which is another reason why I enjoyed it, because I was like, right. Challenge. Challenge accepted. Let me, let me nut this puzzle out, you know, so so I'm a I'm a bit abnormal when it comes to things like that.
00:33:28:19 - 00:33:47:01
Chris
But, it affected me in a different way. Yeah. Yeah, definitely dysregulated my nervous system when it came to government. This. Yeah. Government. Yeah. Political oppression. Oppression of the masses, forced, forced adherence to prescribed protocols and prescriptions.
00:33:47:01 - 00:34:04:11
Filly
Definitely got into the aggressive, aggressive role in the drama triangle. You know, it's like probably all three. I'm, like, trying to rescue you. It's just like I'm in a movie. I gotta help victim. Oh, no. Like always me aggressor. Yeah. I hate this type of conspiracy.
00:34:04:11 - 00:34:06:17
Chris
This conspiracy that. Yeah. Listen to this.
00:34:06:17 - 00:34:08:01
Filly
Crazy old wrestling aggressor.
00:34:08:06 - 00:34:13:00
Chris
Neck, neck minute, See, it wasn't a conspiracy. This was actual real.
00:34:13:02 - 00:34:22:10
Filly
Yeah. Okay, so anyway, here it here's some clues that you're still that you may still be holding on to, processed Covid trauma.
00:34:22:10 - 00:34:25:15
Chris
If you sound like Chris, you're obviously still feeling well.
00:34:25:15 - 00:34:35:15
Filly
I mean, like you mentioned before, and, I don't know, it's like this is activating something that still needs some, like where you said, you know, I was feeling a bit of charging my body. So you.
00:34:35:15 - 00:34:36:00
Chris
Yeah.
00:34:36:01 - 00:34:36:12
Filly
If you.
00:34:36:14 - 00:34:37:04
Chris
So.
00:34:37:06 - 00:35:08:02
Filly
It will. Or it's definitely will show off as a stress or a trauma response either through patterns or through symptoms. And it might be mimic sort of things that really flared up during Covid that are still present in your mind and body. So for example, for me, patterns that I knew, like even after the borders were open and like things started coming down, I still had email fear, which I actually talked about a couple of weeks ago with Doctor Amy.
00:35:08:02 - 00:35:30:16
Filly
But one of the big ones was like, am I going to get like TGA telling me that I'm doing a bad thing again? And like, just like it was always my first autonomic response every time that I saw that I hadn't. Your emails in my inbox, which is like all the time. So I knew that there was sin moving and processing that needed to be done around that.
00:35:30:18 - 00:36:09:00
Filly
I also continued to run the pattern of doing the right thing, like, especially in practice, fear is harming someone or doing something that was wrong that I would get in trouble for. Trying to censor. Like how I showed up publicly as well in, in case I got like trolled again. So scared to speak out. So I either stayed silent or I tried to be really overly politically correct and, you know, and making sure that I never shared my opinion.
00:36:09:01 - 00:36:30:18
Filly
It definitely for me, like the patterns around Covid exacerbated fear and uncertainty around money, which continued until I did some deeper work around that. And also being in business with Chris was really triggering as well as, which again, like we we joined forces right at the start of Covid when Chris was like, you know what?
00:36:30:18 - 00:36:54:13
Filly
I'm done. I'm done getting up at five a am every morning to like to gym, to like, train people. Let's let's create a functional medicine practice online where we can serve everyone, and physically. For me too, I had a lot of past symptoms. So previous to Covid, I was managing symptoms pretty well after doing a lot of lifestyle and functional medicine protocols.
00:36:54:13 - 00:37:22:04
Filly
But this extra stress, of course, of Covid, blasted all the symptoms. And also I developed insomnia, which didn't ease after Borders Open. And that's when I knew, like far out, something is still stuck in my body. And also it's not just Covid that stuck in my body. There's this this is a pattern that has happened and has been happening for decades prior to Covid.
00:37:22:04 - 00:37:41:02
Filly
It's just that this is amplified it. It was really interesting though, because in my head I'm like, oh yeah, I feel I'll go back to sleeping again as soon as, like I'm not stressed about this anymore. But it didn't happen. Happen consciously. I was like, yeah, like life is back to normal now. And then I would be so confused as to why I still couldn't sleep.
00:37:41:02 - 00:38:05:20
Filly
If it's because my body and my mind was still holding on to to fear that. And so therefore, I need to stay on even at night in order to control and manipulate things so that I was safe. I'll give you some other client examples. So people that we worked with specifically post Covid, where it was very clear that there was still unprocessed Covid trauma.
00:38:05:22 - 00:38:36:21
Filly
So I mentioned Joe, and she shares very honestly and vulnerably her own story. So you can search Joe healing story, and you can find her podcast. But she developed a lot of anxiety for panic attacks, especially around rejection. And when we started connecting the dots back, it's like, oh, okay. Rejection came right from childhood. But also this Covid experience of being bullied around, having the Covid jab and being rejected and isolated.
00:38:36:23 - 00:39:17:19
Filly
It was that experience of rejection, even like Covid had finished, was still triggering, psychosomatic anxiety, fear, panic responses in her body as well as physical symptoms. We had another client stuck in Melbourne. Lockdowns, almost like this vicious cycle, had a lot of stress with business and kids and mental health and just having ongoing relapses of things like Seabury fatigue, brain fog, fibromyalgia, especially when uncertainty showed up in present life.
00:39:17:19 - 00:39:53:09
Filly
So again, Covid gone, but uncertainty showed up. And then these symptoms really flared up again. We've had clients who have come to us to recover and heal from jab injuries. And often when there's, health anxiety, a lot of anger, resentment that has been borne out of Covid that is still hanging around. That's another sign that, processed Covid trauma is still in the body.
00:39:53:11 - 00:40:16:14
Filly
And essentially, if any, at past events or memories during that time feel really emotionally charged or you're having a visceral response in your body when you think or talk about them, that's another sign. So, for example, when I was talking about the whole rat test experience, I could feel that my my voice and my heart, right, was increasing.
00:40:16:16 - 00:40:42:17
Filly
But I know in the past when I've told that story, when it wasn't processed, when it was still stuck in my body, I would I would have had so much anxiety talking about that I probably would have started crying. My hands would get shaky, whereas now I can share that experience and like, it was pretty crap and it was pretty intense and like, the world was crazy and I felt like it was a witch hunt.
00:40:42:19 - 00:41:05:04
Filly
You know, so there's still some emotion behind it, but I really feel neutral in my body and emotions around it. And in fact, I don't really even have any ill thought towards. To the trolls, the news reported that. Yeah, kind of like tried to witch hunt me. It's like, yeah, it happened, it happened, it sucked. But I'm okay.
00:41:05:08 - 00:41:34:01
Filly
Like it's over and it's safe now. Well, so if you're having dreams or nightmares that have patterns, associations with past experiences during Covid time, that is another clear signal. And you could also just ask your body right now, are you holding on to anything? Maybe even as we've been talking, you might have experienced sensations and signals, which again, is your body's way of trying to say, hey, we are holding onto this.
00:41:34:01 - 00:41:52:08
Filly
And you know what? It feels really heavy now, and I don't think we need to hold on to it anymore. So can you release it? Can I send you a signal to say it's here and that it's ready to be done with? It's ready to be let go. Anything else you want to add?
00:41:52:10 - 00:41:57:23
Chris
Just kind of want to sing a song. So we're done with. It's over and done with.
00:41:58:01 - 00:42:06:13
Filly
Over and done with. So we're done with that. The song that Chris and I singing in the musical that we're in this year in.
00:42:06:13 - 00:42:10:17
Chris
May I get to be in the very, very, very back to that one.
00:42:10:18 - 00:42:37:16
Filly
Okay. Sorry. So we're going to finish up the episode again. There's going to be part two. Part two is going to help you to start moving Covid trauma from your body now to really robustly heal from past experiences, you need to go back and process and heal previous experiences, even before Covid that haven't been processed. Right back to childhood because of the pressure cooker analogy.
00:42:37:18 - 00:43:06:04
Filly
You know, if it's just like I've got some events here, in Covid, you know, it might it will still be helpful a bit to heal, dysregulated system because it's harbouring and holding on to so much trauma. It must be Sarah along your whole timeline. And there will be unconscious core beliefs tied into this as well, which, most likely always not even likely it they're always linked back to childhood.
00:43:06:06 - 00:43:26:20
Filly
And for some people, some body systems support might be needed as well. If you're presenting with physical symptoms or mental health issues that are connected to different body systems that have really depleted during Covid, and there are a lot of people that burnt out a lot of body systems and nutrient stores because of how much stress there was in a short period of time.
00:43:26:22 - 00:43:54:19
Filly
We can help you do this inside our ending body burnout method program. So the doors open again in June, which you can pop your name down on the waitlist and jump in June or if you like, I don't want to wait until June. We do. I do have a few spots available for it. Connect the dots initial consult, which is essentially the first step, in our ending body burnout method, that you can start a little bit early, to get some lab testing, before the doors open.
00:43:54:21 - 00:44:09:09
Filly
But yeah, stay tuned to next week. We're going to take you through a process to help eliminate negative experiences. And you can do this with any experience, not just Covid experiences.
00:44:09:11 - 00:44:22:12
Chris
Awesome. Yeah. Thanks, guys, for joining us. We will chat to you and you and especially you next time. See you.
00:44:22:14 - 00:44:32:16
Filly
Thank you so much for listening. We so appreciate you. If you'd like to give us extra smiles, drop us a review and spread the love by sharing this episode.
00:44:32:18 - 00:45:05:07
Chris
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00:45:05:09 - 00:45:05:18
Chris
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