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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Body Burnout show. We are your host, Chris and Filly, co-founders of a multi winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, business, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body. Get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Filly
Hello and welcome to the podcast. This is Filly and today we have a special episode with you. We've never done this before, but today we have one of our past clients coming on to the podcast for a second time. So the wonderful, unstoppable Jason is back. Jason, shared his healing story back in September 2023 on the podcast.
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Filly
And that was right at the end of his journey through our ending body burn out method program. So he in the past came to us because he developed an autoimmune condition that was causing a lot of back inflammation, and he had some other stuff going on, with food allergies, skin issues. And in that first episode, he shares his healing journey and, yeah, how he healed.
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Filly
So come back on the podcast today, 18 months post graduating from the ending Body burnout method. And it was a delightful conversation. I just love catching up with Jason. He is such a beautiful, energetic, aligned soul and we dig in to life after the ending Body burnout method. So to show you that when you deeply embody the practices and the teachings that we take our clients through in the model, in the method, when that's embodied and integrated, then things do just get better and better.
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Filly
Symptoms. Old, healthy. She's burnout doesn't come back. You literally continue living in alignment with self and communicating and connecting with self. And so yeah, Jason, talks with Chris and I about his journey and how he continues to practice, all the things he learned inside the ending body at method and how he's thriving. Jace also leaves a very intentional and exciting life, so I really wanted to dig into that side of things with him today as well.
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Filly
He is a dreamer. So him and his wife, Sarah, whenever they want to do something, whether it's moving from, interstate to live off grid or travelling the world for a year, they make it happen. So we dig into the psyche behind dreams. How to move forward into the things that you want to, to have in your life, how to manifest those and how did.
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Filly
Yeah, care for yourself so that you become resilient and strong even when challenges come up. So I think you'll find so many beautiful gems inside this episode. Also, just a little reminder before we jump into the episode that if you do love this conversation that we have and you're interested in holistically healing in the way that Jason did our ending Body Burnout Method program, opens up a very soon in May.
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Filly
So if you're keen to check that out, go to the show notes. Make sure you pop your name on the wait list, because you will get first dibs in securing a spot. We only have limited spaces as our program includes one on one consults and coaching. It's not just a course or a group coaching, experience. You get a lot of one on one personalised support as well.
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Filly
Also, being on the waitlist means that you get access to exclusive earlybird bonuses that are worth over $5,500. So definitely pop your name on the waitlist if you are keen. And also if you're curious to learn more about, how to end your own body burnout, how to rewire your brain and rewire your whole self and holistically heal in May during launch week.
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Filly
So when our doors are open to our method, we will be running some free coaching events. And our main one that we're running that we did back in September last year that was extremely popular. And we had so much wonderful feedback around it. What is rewire your brain to heal body burnout? So that's a three day or three part series free coaching that we would love you to come along to if you would like to experience what it's like to be now healing container.
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Filly
And we also have a free webinar as well. Call to five Breakthroughs to overcome your healing blocks. So I'll pop those in the show notes as well. And yeah, I'd love to have you join us, for the free coaching week to rewire your brain and your whole self to end body burnout. Okay, let's dive in to today's episode.
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Chris
All right, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Ending Body Burnout Show. Today we have another gracing of our previous. Let's start that one again.
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Jason
It'll be.
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Filly
Great to see.
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Chris
Another gracing.
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Jason
Glad you could cut stuff. It's good. Ha ha.
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Chris
I think because I did one too many things at the same time. I took me over the edge. Okay, doc, and cut.
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Chris
Welcome, everybody, to the ending Body burnout show. We are excited to bring this episode with you. We have a two year fetch in heck.
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Filly
Keep rolling.
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Jason
Oh, okay.
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Jason
This is great. It's amazing.
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Chris
That will be the last take. I bet you fill your mess up the next six takes. Ready?
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Filly
Doesn't matter.
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Jason
Oh, well, then I'll have another seven.
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Filly
Organic. The conversation.
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Jason
Let's go.
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Chris
So good. All right. Ready? Good. Hey, everyone. Welcome to this episode of the ending Body burnout show. Today we have our podcast client, Jason, on the call today on the podcast, and we are excited to catch up again. You might remember Jason from back in episode.
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Filly
I sure got the episode would have been maybe about 18 months ago, because it was about 18 months ago that you finished up ending Body Burnout Method with us.
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Jason
Yes, it would have been in the second half of 2023.
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Filly
Yeah. Yeah, we'll make sure we bring know your original conversation of somebody somewhere.
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Jason
I looked it up myself, so, Oh, good.
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Filly
That is all good.
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Chris
Well, thank you so much, Jace, for jumping on and coming in, having a chat to us again. Where in the world are you at the moment?
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Jason
The moment where? In Sri Lanka, in Colombo.
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Chris
How is it? Over there in Tasmania? It's stormy today. It's really stormy. There was so I.
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Jason
Can't stand to go. Yeah, well, we haven't been back in Tasmania since, like I, we came back for a couple of the, a couple of days earlier this year. But we've pretty much been travelling, full time since 2023, the end of 2023.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah. So cool.
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Jason
I it's sunny here, warm. It's probably 25 at the moment so probably be at top of about 35. So it's it's quite warm. Completely different to Tasmania I would imagine.
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Filly
Yeah. Yeah I think it's a little bit chilly here today actually. And I don't know if you just heard that. And massive thunder. Thunder anything just happened.
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Chris
Thunder.
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Filly
Thunder everything I was going to say a thunderstorm, but it's like what's the thunder clapping.
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Chris
Thunder.
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Filly
All is good so far with the internet. Okay, so we we would definitely circle around to the travels a little bit later cuz I think there's so many. I'm sure there's going to be so many amazing stories that you can share. But also, a lot of the times when people get stuck in body burnout, it's because they're living their life out of alignment, the kind of doing the things that they feel like they should be doing, or based on other people's judgements, or their own external expectations or internal expectations.
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Filly
So I think it'd be really nice to dig into how you like the psychology behind how you have created the life that you've created. But before we dive into that, for those who might be new to the podcast, who haven't listened to your original episode, can you just do a little bit of a recap in terms of, what you're experiencing when you reached out to us, your journey through the ending, Body van out method.
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Filly
Yeah, just kind of a bit of a recap around that.
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Jason
Okay, well, that particular journey probably would have started probably 5 or 6 years ago when I developed a chronic back pain, which kind of led me to waking up in the night between 2 and 3 a.m. with just immense pain in my back, which obviously, I needed to get to the root of, after trying all different sorts of things from, you know, acupuncture to osteo and massage everything, eventually got diagnosed with, a strange word.
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Jason
It's called anchor losing spondylitis, which I had never heard of at the time, which is pretty much chronic and from inflammation. And, there was no cure for this. So when the doctor, diagnosed me with this, he sent me to the hospital. And then they proceeded to explain the side effects of the treatment, which was a an injection each month just to manage the pain.
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Jason
And the side effects were everything from turning yellow to problems seeing and all sorts of strange stuff like this. So, I thought, well, this isn't for me. It must be some way to fix it. This is just pain management. So after digging a bit deeper, I discovered functional medicine, and I looked up in my area and, christened Billy.
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Jason
And that began my journey on functional medicine in the body burnout course. Really?
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Filly
Yeah.
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Jason
That's where it all started. So, and, originally, I thought it would just be talking to you and doing some tests and finding out what physically was wrong with my body. But it turned out to be, a lot more, a lot more than that, that you learn about, which was great.
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Filly
Deep into the metaphysical as well, how you're pretty much patterns, your beliefs that you have about yourself. Yeah. Yeah. So in terms of where you were when you first reached out to us, how were you feeling by the time you graduated from the ending? What you found out method.
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Jason
A lot more. Well, the main thing I was feeling was pain free. So we we removed all the pain. I no longer had the entire losing spondylitis, so I was, cured of that. Yeah, I was feeling a lot more, confident to tackle any other hurdles that would come up in life. During the course, you learn a lot of skills, not just for health.
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Jason
It's just life skills, really, that help you along the way. Yeah. So you come out of there feeling a lot more, better about yourself.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Jason
You have a lot more balance and things just flow a little bit better.
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Filly
So in the last 18 months like it's been 18 months, I had to actually look in the calendar and like 18, 18 months since we last spoke. How how has your, your health journey, your wellbeing journey evolved over the course of that 18 months?
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Jason
It keeps growing and evolving every day. There's challenges and things to overcome. But it's just got better and better, really. There's been no issues with my health. And there is something small come up. It's. You approach it differently. So if I eat something or I don't feel well, it's just the mindset now that I have that I can easily deal with it and it doesn't.
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Jason
It's not an issue.
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Filly
Yeah, I love that. I think that's important to. Which is also why I was excited to have this conversation, because sometimes people go through a healing journey. You know, even if it's with us or some someone else or a course or something, and it's like in the bubble of the transformational space, you feel great. But then sometimes people might leave, but they haven't fully embodied or integrated the practices or changed, like yourself at a soul level.
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Filly
And then those symptoms come back. So it's it's awesome to hear that. Yeah. Over the last 18 months, things have just gotten better and better. And you said, so if little things do pop up, we call them signals. It's like, hey, hey, yeah, you just need to get it for a little bit.
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Jason
Yeah, yeah.
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Filly
Like, do you still using when you say different mindset, are you still using, specific practices or tools or coaching frameworks that you land inside the method to help overcome those things?
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Jason
Heaps of them. Yeah, we love doing them. My favourite is mantras. So we have a I have a bunch of personal matches that I do every day. Because the more you say things and picture things, visualisation is another one. So the more you visualise something and tell yourself something, then the more you're going to manifest it and the more likely it is, to happen.
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Jason
So, I do that every day. I do a lot of breathing. It's a challenge comes up and it seems like, you get a little bit overwhelmed. Then, you know, if you just take a few slow, deep breaths, that's a massive tool that people. It's overrated. Just taking a few. Yeah. It can take so many things.
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Jason
It's so helpful. So definitely the breathwork particularly travelling when challenges come up, breathing the mentions or mentioned movement. Definitely movement. So being active and moving and exercising, stretching. I do every day. And coach shows because you mentioned that you've been swimming in Tasmania, so I know how cold it is. A recent one that we've done so since, probably June last year.
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Jason
No, hot. I haven't had a hot shower since then, so just cold and that's cool. It's great. I love it now because of the cold shower. It's awesome the first week or so, like you do, you try to do 30s to start with, and you build that up to a minute, and then you try and get to two minutes, but now you don't, you don't want to get out.
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Jason
It's great. I just I can't wait. So now if you're in a warmer country, you turn on the cold and it's like, oh no, it's not even really cold. So yeah, if we were in New Zealand, last month, it turned on the cold. It was cold. So that was nice, but it's so invigorating in the cold.
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Filly
Yeah. Right. Yeah. I Chris got me a sauna for Christmas, so I'll go and so on our. Yeah. So my little ritual will be go for a cold swim in the ocean, come back, have a warm sauna.
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Jason
Lovely hugs. Popular in, Scandinavian countries. Like, that's good for your health.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah. Mantras. I'd love to, if you're happy to share. What are the mantras that,
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Jason
Come up? My favourite. Yeah. I'm unstoppable.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Jason
I'll use that. I trust in the power of the universe, I challenge myself. Yeah. I grow and gain knowledge. Appreciate every moment. Good things happen to me. Some of my favourites.
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Chris
They're beautiful.
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Jason
Yeah. That's awesome. I live with perfect health, love and abundance.
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Filly
Health is the default health.
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Jason
Yeah. Perfect health. I look at perfect health. Yeah, yeah.
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Filly
The way you say those two, I can tell that they're part of your psyche. Like you're your way of being because you didn't have to kind of, like, think about. Oh, what? What do I say to myself? It's actually just, like, become who you are. If anyone has a serious. Yeah, if anyone's listened to your first episode, the Unstoppable was a big one for you, too.
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Filly
I don't know if you remember it, but that was. That was the flip of the deepest root cause belief. Hey.
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Jason
Yes.
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Filly
I can't remember what the difference is.
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Jason
But. Shame.
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Filly
Shame? Yeah. Coming from the emotion. Shame. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so you and your lovely wife, Sarah live just the most amazing life here in Sri Lanka at the moment. Even before you went away. They correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys moved from mainland from, like, the city to Tassie.
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Jason
That right? We lived, outside of Sydney on a small farm. So a rural area. Yeah. So we did move from, New South Wales to Tasmania. Yes. To live off grid, in the Tasmanian wilderness. Really? Yeah. Yeah. We did.
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Filly
Yeah. And now you're off travelling the world for the last 18 months.
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Jason
Yes. We. Yeah. Well, after finishing your course, we made another life change and we just decided to what we wanted to do, which was, just travel more. So we, we sold out, place in Tasmania. So we our home was the road at the moment.
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Filly
Nomads.
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Chris
That's awesome.
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Jason
Yes. Yeah, I Mads. Yeah.
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Chris
I do have a question just about off grid. Yeah. What what do you mean by that? So I've had a few conversations with some people who say they're off grid, but still on town water. And they're just not all that electricity were you are off of town water, off electricity or. Like what? What sort of set up were you on your off grid?
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Jason
No conveniences. So we had no town water. So only rain water. And no electricity, no sewer, no mail, no rubbish collection, anything like that. So it does vary for different people, like you said. So it can be just without power or just without water. But for us, it was without any of those, kind of common conveniences that most people have.
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Jason
Yeah. Cool. We still had, pal. It was all solar power and batteries and, it's a different type of lifestyle that you definitely need to, adapt to. It's not for everyone, but we love it. And when we settle down again, we'll probably look for something, similar.
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Chris
Awesome. Well, what's.
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Jason
Rewarding? It's it's nice just to live off grid.
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Chris
Do you think that's hot. Or easier or not at all to, to live a healthy lifestyle. Like what kind of impacts on health do you think living off grid has?
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Jason
I think it is beneficial to living a healthy lifestyle. It's definitely the kind of it's active because you need to be doing a bit more outside. You don't just, get home and lounge on the couch and watch TV and experiences. Mania is a little bit harder because of our short days in the winter. And, the cloud and things, and fires and natural heating and things like that.
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Jason
So you're always thinking about, how are you going to get through the, the winter. Like a squirrel collecting all those nuts and then preparing for the winter. So yeah I love it. Similar to a little squirrel.
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Chris
Yeah I love it. Squirrelling away. It's, it's kind of like by the end of winter your power's kind of running low. And by the end of summer your water's running kind of low.
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Jason
Yeah. There's lots of different things to manage, but it's nice. You do and there's no noise. You're not going to have any. Well, we were rural, so it's just all nature. So you do get to stand out on the deck, and, you know, you're just surrounded by nature. So quite healing really.
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Filly
Yeah. It's very grounding. Well something I had never thought about it until you were talking about the winter time and being the squirrel, but it's very seasonal as well. So living off great is going to be very different in the summer compared. And your activities to.
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Jason
Yeah.
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Filly
Like care for yourself to survive, to stay alive and thrive as opposed to in winter time. Yeah.
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Jason
Absolutely. Yes. And in the summer you're busy trying to grow things and, tend to your garden and do bits and pieces and stockpiling for the winter. Really. So I guess it's kind of goes back through the ages as well. Just basically how they used to live.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Jason
And together it's.
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Filly
Yeah, I love it. Do you have a garden question.
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Chris
Yeah. Well this.
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Filly
Is great. So this is this is Chris's new reason.
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Chris
Yeah. I actually I'm just backtracking in my mind about the time that I really got into to gardening. I reckon it was around the time that we did chat. So September the 19th, 2023. So, you we would have chatted. Podcasts either August or something like that. 2023. So anyway, I think that's about the same sort of time that I started really getting into research and learning about gardening.
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Chris
Anyway, man, when you come back to Tassie, you have to come over a house and just be like, oh, you should totally do that, and you should do that. And, I can see why that's not working, because that doesn't work usually, and that's a good idea, blah blah blah. I, I just it's so fascinating. I love it, it's it's quite addictive.
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Chris
Like, it can, you can get a real dopamine rush when you see something growing and it's like this little baby seedling just pops up and it's exciting and I get, I'm pumped. I never thought I would ever be into it. And yeah, I can't grow a lawn to save myself.
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Filly
No money. That one's doing good or whatever.
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Chris
That was the limiting belief, wasn't it? That was that was pretty below the line.
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Jason
Not easy in Tasmania. And, you know, you're talking about growing stuff, but then when you can harvest it and serve it up on your plate is the meal. It's. Yeah, it's quite rewarding. It's therapeutic as well. But you know, the, landscape, horticulture by trade. So, that helps. But, I'll come around and give you a hand.
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Jason
Chris is really provides the vegan treats that.
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Filly
Okay.
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Chris
Amazing.
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Filly
I'll make you dinner as well.
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Jason
Okay. Great.
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Filly
So have you. Just in terms of the, values, the thought patterns that go into the decisions that you make in terms of how you live your life. Have you always been like this or it's just like, you know what, I'm going to go live off grid and I go and do it. I'm going to go and travel for a year and I go into it or did it, oh, is there a point in your life where it's where you went living that way?
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Filly
And it was suffocating you?
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Jason
Well, since I met my wife probably 25 years ago, we were actually both living our dreams. We met in London when we were living over there. So since then, really, with we've just had a dream and we've made a plan to bring that into fruition. Really, it's just a desired outcome that we've wanted, and then we've just done and done what we need to do to do that.
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Jason
I guess younger you always have dreams. Don't you want to be someone or do something or go somewhere? So I guess I've just been someone who achieves once gets that done.
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Filly
Yeah. So it's not even a question of can it happen? It's just like, how am I going to make that happen? Go, go for it. Do and be. Yeah.
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Jason
Yeah, yeah. Just how how do you do it. And we both do both like that. So the decision making comes down to us sitting together and just asking ourselves, you know, is this something we want to do? And if the answer's no, then lets the decision don't. And that's not something we want to do. But if it's like, yeah, that'd be cool.
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Jason
Like, let's move to Tasmania and live off grid in the forest. Can, you know, put your hand up. So then off we go. And we like, make a bit of a plan. This is how we get that done. Since then, we want to travel the world for a few years. And how can we do that? Here we are.
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Jason
So. And then I call it a dream. But. But I mean, a dream is still something you're supposed to achieve. It's not something that you just supposed to imagine and think of as a fairy tale. It's a dream or something you want to do, really. So we just figure out a way to to do it. Make a plan.
00:27:06:15 - 00:27:14:16
Filly
Yeah. Who is that? Was that model to you as a kid? Like where it's just like, anything that you want. We make it happen. No. Or.
00:27:14:20 - 00:27:46:07
Jason
Right. It's just a belief I had, I guess as a child, maybe I was in situations and had a bit of a childhood where, I didn't want to be. So maybe I wanted to be someone different as a child. So I did the process then to become someone different, I, I moved to Australia at a young age as a teenager to.
00:27:46:09 - 00:27:51:15
Jason
Kind of like just start a new life really, and become someone who I wanted to be.
00:27:51:17 - 00:27:53:20
Filly
Yeah. That's so cool.
00:27:53:22 - 00:28:07:00
Jason
Which is easy to do to me. I mean if you're not, you're not happy and you want to be someone else or do something different. Get in. You know I don't know. Just get it done and do it.
00:28:07:02 - 00:28:08:16
Filly
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:08:18 - 00:28:11:19
Jason
And it's not easy for everyone. But I mean.
00:28:11:21 - 00:28:38:21
Filly
Yeah. Well it comes back to the framing in which you'd experience yourself in the world as well. So you know a lot of people because I'm asking these questions selfishly because I definitely like oh my goodness. Like I wouldn't I had did not have that experience, growing up or even into my adulthood where it's just like, like what?
00:28:38:21 - 00:28:57:00
Filly
I could just move to the other side of the world and, like, that's just a thing I could do. Yeah. My brain would have been coming up with all these reasons why, like, no, no, no, that's not practical. Logical. How can you, how can you do that? You don't have enough money? No. You need to stay close to your family.
00:28:57:02 - 00:28:59:19
Filly
There would have been all these chatter.
00:28:59:21 - 00:29:20:23
Jason
There's always that chatter. But I think you just learn to, you can kind of just, like you said, frame it or turn it into an object like you told us. Yeah. And you can just say that so that. Okay, so there's always those things in the back of your mind, but you got a positive stuff at the front and focus on that.
00:29:21:00 - 00:29:28:04
Filly
Yeah. That's so cool. I love it. Okay. Did you have something that you wanted to say.
00:29:28:09 - 00:29:30:20
Jason
To just another gardening question, Chris. It could be.
00:29:30:20 - 00:29:34:04
Chris
It could be around, limiting beliefs to.
00:29:34:05 - 00:29:36:06
Filly
A metaphor, a garden invisible.
00:29:36:08 - 00:29:56:04
Chris
I get. No, I just think, I resonate so much with what you said just around dreams becoming real. And if you dream something, go ahead and try it. Go and give it. But then Philip and I talked to so many people. And maybe, dear listener, if you're listening and you just think, I could never do that. Like what?
00:29:56:04 - 00:30:05:10
Chris
You were just saying before. Phil, we found so many people who had that real, I don't know.
00:30:05:11 - 00:30:07:01
Filly
It's like truth and beauty.
00:30:07:01 - 00:30:30:12
Chris
Yeah, that and that. They will use, you know, things like can't or shouldn't and they've got these real beliefs that hold them back from living the life of their dreams. It's it's, I think your, your evidence that this is not a global truth. This it doesn't have to be that way. Right? Like, you can you can live your life a different way.
00:30:30:12 - 00:30:51:23
Chris
You can dream and live the life of your dreams, you know, like it's it's so possible. It might be scary at first, but it it's it's so possible. There's some steps like what you mentioned, you mentioned a couple of techniques. But the first thing I think I got a dream, if you, if you want your life to be different, you got, you got to want it.
00:30:51:23 - 00:31:03:16
Chris
You got to dream it. You got to be aware of a desire for something different. Hey. And I think so many people just put the clamps down and just cut that off. Don't even think about it. Don't they?
00:31:03:18 - 00:31:26:14
Jason
They do. It's too hard. Or. But you can be and do and become whoever you want to be. That's up to you. You're in the driving seat. You're. It's your mind, it's your body, it's your life. So you can literally do whatever you want. You know. Yeah. Yeah. You're the master of your own destiny.
00:31:26:16 - 00:31:27:08
Filly
Yeah.
00:31:27:10 - 00:31:40:13
Jason
It's awesome. It's not hard. I mean you can make it seem hard and think about it and and can and can't and on a it's too hard but if you really want something anything is achievable.
00:31:40:15 - 00:31:41:06
Filly
Yeah I.
00:31:41:06 - 00:31:41:23
Chris
Love it.
00:31:42:01 - 00:31:42:17
Filly
And these.
00:31:42:19 - 00:31:43:15
Chris
Words of wisdom.
00:31:43:15 - 00:32:04:21
Filly
Words of wisdom, this dreaming dream we actually call it the dream outcome is part of the process of spark insight ending body burn out method. And sometimes, like I have noticed a pattern of some clients where they'll find the deepest root cause belief, the deepest fear they have about themselves. And that was hard. But they got there and they broke through.
00:32:04:21 - 00:32:29:11
Filly
And then the next step is, okay, cool. Well, what do you want? And who do you want to be instead? And some people find that even harder because all of a sudden it's like, what? Like it's like there's it's unsafe. It's unsafe to dream or to ask for what I want. I even think about like, little stories or little things that, we were told as kids when we blew out the candles on a birthday cake.
00:32:29:13 - 00:32:30:07
Filly
And make.
00:32:30:07 - 00:32:30:15
Jason
A wish.
00:32:30:18 - 00:32:34:20
Filly
Yeah. Make a wish. But don't tell anyone or it won't come true.
00:32:34:21 - 00:32:35:18
Jason
Exactly.
00:32:35:20 - 00:32:56:03
Filly
So it's like what? Okay, I'll just wish this in secret and, like, maybe magically it's going to come to fruition, but it probably won't, because, like, that's not how manifestation works. So yeah, like, if anyone's listening and they're like, oh, I just, I wish I could dream and I wish I could just take that step for the number one reason why.
00:32:56:06 - 00:33:20:06
Filly
You know, allowing yourself to dream is because it's not safe. And why isn't it safe? Well, it's usually something around, like, I'm not capable of creating it. I'm not worthy or deserving of it. Yeah. Or like, what if I tried to do it, but I fail? And also, sometimes people get scared around how it would change their relationship with other people too.
00:33:20:06 - 00:33:27:20
Filly
And they like, oh, like, if that changes. And what if I lose my relationships? Then that's not going to be fun.
00:33:27:22 - 00:33:46:18
Jason
No, there's always, you know, I mean, failure. Yeah. Failure. That's always something they're just trying to think of. But, no, there's something that Yoda said. I'm trying to think of his saying about failure.
00:33:46:20 - 00:33:48:02
Filly
Something about try.
00:33:48:04 - 00:33:48:09
Jason
Do.
00:33:48:11 - 00:33:51:09
Chris
Or do not try, try.
00:33:51:11 - 00:33:54:03
Jason
The greatest lesson failure is.
00:33:54:05 - 00:33:55:13
Chris
Greatest lesson. Failure is.
00:33:55:14 - 00:34:06:05
Jason
Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Chris. Yeah, I you do it and you fail. And then there's a lesson. So try again and then you you won't fail.
00:34:06:07 - 00:34:06:22
Filly
Yeah.
00:34:06:22 - 00:34:16:06
Jason
My failing without doing something. Yeah. You might learn your life's about learning. So you learn from your mistakes or failures and have another go.
00:34:16:08 - 00:34:35:08
Filly
Yeah. That was one of my big mantras when I was unravelling a deep belief around being awakening capable because it also showed up as perfectionism and like, well I have to do everything right because if I fail then I'm bad and I'm weak and incapable. So my mantra was, there is no failure, only feedback.
00:34:35:10 - 00:34:37:04
Jason
There is no failure, right?
00:34:37:06 - 00:34:51:11
Filly
It's just like with so liberating when I surrendered myself into embodying that, okay, sorry. Where have you been? Travelling. You're in Sri Lanka now.
00:34:51:13 - 00:34:53:05
Jason
You are like a yes.
00:34:53:07 - 00:34:54:16
Filly
Yeah.
00:34:54:18 - 00:35:27:16
Jason
Okay. So from 2023, when we left Tasmania, we, we did the Deca challenge, which was, we went to London and we got a, board car and we drove down through West Africa to a country called The Gambia. That took a couple of months. And then once we got to the Gambia, we, auctioned off the car for charity, which raised a lot of, funds for local women's groups and schools and, the disabilities and whatnot.
00:35:27:18 - 00:35:53:07
Jason
And then from there, we kind of continued overland down through West Africa, making our way down to the bottom of Africa, to the bottom of Africa, South Africa. That took most of last year when we kind of made our way back to Australia through various, destinations. And we came back Christmas and catch up with some people.
00:35:53:09 - 00:35:58:12
Jason
And now we are off again. Have you been doing really?
00:35:58:15 - 00:36:03:11
Filly
Yeah. So cool. You didn't get to Kenya, did you? I was in Kenya, went to Kenya.
00:36:03:11 - 00:36:12:17
Jason
I was actually we're on our way to Kenya now. So we have a few months in Sri Lanka and then move here across to, East Africa and, spend a few months and do all that area there.
00:36:12:19 - 00:36:17:21
Filly
Awesome. Do you know where you going in Kenya?
00:36:17:23 - 00:36:42:21
Jason
We're going to, Mary and we're going to miss Amara. We are going to pop down to Arusha, and then I'm going rogue or a crater, the Serengeti cross to Uganda, Rwanda, Madagascar, South Africa, back to Australia. Nine years ago, in a circle.
00:36:43:01 - 00:36:45:00
Filly
I stayed in a little.
00:36:45:00 - 00:36:45:21
Jason
Bit of dreams.
00:36:45:23 - 00:36:59:20
Filly
Living your dreams. I stayed in a little, like tiny rural village. It was called a koala. And it was close, like in Kenya, a bit close to the Ugandan border.
00:36:59:22 - 00:37:00:07
Jason
Okay.
00:37:00:10 - 00:37:03:22
Filly
So, you know, if you head that way, say hello to my people.
00:37:04:00 - 00:37:07:12
Jason
Okay? I looked at pictures of you.
00:37:07:14 - 00:37:29:19
Filly
Okay. Have you like. And I know that you've been travelling before. What is, lessons? Because I know personally when I travel, especially overseas, because it's very different and it can be confronting and exciting and all the things like, are there any lessons that you've learnt about yourself while travelling?
00:37:29:21 - 00:37:54:06
Jason
Yeah. There's plenty. Well, you know, I kind of stand out, particularly in Africa. It's the big rich white man with the red beard. Yeah. And so you get a lot of looks, you know, everyone really looks at you, and they'll stare. So Mollison I've learnt, was from doing the body burnout was the shame aspect of it.
00:37:54:08 - 00:38:17:10
Jason
Flipped it instead of being shamed or embarrassed or even looking at me, felt proud. And I wave and I say hello, and, you know, it brings people. People, you know, he's friendly and they come over and you start talking to them, and you've had so many special moments with people while we're travelling, just by being friendly.
00:38:17:12 - 00:38:31:21
Jason
And instead of making it an awkward situation with, you know, everyone and looking at you and little kids like, so just wait. Hello? And just, like, flip it. So just make it a positive experience. So it works so well.
00:38:31:23 - 00:38:33:15
Filly
Yeah, yeah yeah.
00:38:33:17 - 00:38:38:19
Jason
Yeah. So no, just feeling proud and no, I'm proud to be me.
00:38:39:00 - 00:38:57:19
Filly
Yeah. Which is kind of me. Yeah. Which is career regulation too. So you can't really I mean you could fake it, but if you were faking it, people will feel it. And when it's genuine and it's like, you know what? I do love me. And like everyone, everyone loves me. Or if they don't, it's okay.
00:38:57:21 - 00:39:04:19
Jason
Oh, well, you know, and 99% of the people in this world that you meet, you know, the the friendly.
00:39:05:01 - 00:39:05:19
Filly
Yeah.
00:39:05:21 - 00:39:24:11
Jason
And I just want to talk to you and ask you, you know, what you think of the country or, why are you there? Or, that's just interested. And you, like, we are in. So it's not there's not any scary situations. It's so it's very rewarding.
00:39:24:13 - 00:39:24:21
Filly
Yeah.
00:39:25:01 - 00:39:41:19
Jason
Yeah. But you can, you know before I'd be ashamed everyone's looking at you, you'd be embarrassed and you blame, you want to hide away. But by learning how to turn that round the other way and make it a positive experience, it just changes a lot of things.
00:39:42:00 - 00:39:42:21
Filly
Yeah.
00:39:42:23 - 00:39:44:22
Jason
That's cool.
00:39:45:00 - 00:40:07:20
Filly
Now, I often have sessions with clients and they're about to go travelling, even if it's for like a week or two, if they're like, every like it's going to be so hard to keep up with my healthy rituals or my healing routines. Words of wisdom plays for someone who is a nomad, which either you kind of got two choices.
00:40:07:20 - 00:40:22:01
Filly
You either just like drop it all when you travel, or you somehow find a way to integrate caring for yourself, staying healthy while travelling. Like what are your what are your tips?
00:40:22:03 - 00:40:43:07
Jason
Well, for us, we kind of travel, slowly so we don't rush and we have an apartment to our our own space, so we use it, booking platform where you can get your own place. Really? So go to a local person and you get a flat. So you've got a kitchen and bits and pieces like that.
00:40:43:09 - 00:41:13:10
Jason
So you can prepare a lot of your own meals. So that's an important thing. You're not eating out three meals a day and you're but you can be a lot more healthy and go to the local market. The world is full wherever you travel. This beautiful fruit and vegetables and home grown produce. So by having your own space where you can prepare these, you can go to the market, which is you can learn a lot about the country by visiting the market, meet a lot of people, buy your own goods and you can come home and you can prepare them.
00:41:13:12 - 00:41:34:07
Jason
So we probably eat. We eat breakfast at home and then we might go out and find a nice healthy eating place for lunch, and then we'll come home and prepare our dinner. So that's one way that we, stay healthy on the road is just fresh fruit and vegetables. It's easy that they're everywhere. I mean, and they're delicious.
00:41:34:07 - 00:41:36:19
Jason
And majority of the time, they're all home grown.
00:41:36:21 - 00:41:38:00
Filly
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:38:00 - 00:41:53:09
Jason
And a lot of the local restaurants, everything just made with love. It's not just, manufactured things in packets and things. It's all handmade with love. So it's not hard at all. It's. It's so easy.
00:41:53:11 - 00:41:54:14
Filly
Yeah.
00:41:54:15 - 00:41:55:15
Jason
Delicious.
00:41:55:17 - 00:42:15:04
Filly
Yeah. We went to Fiji last year. Yeah. Last year for two weeks. But most of the places we stayed at were hotels. We didn't have our own kitchen. Yeah. And then the last place we stayed was a Airbnb, and. Yeah, it was nice. And we did go to the local market and we bought all these things.
00:42:15:04 - 00:42:27:21
Filly
And I'm like, I have no idea how to cook you, but I'm like, you go and try it. No one ate it, I think, oh no, you ate it. The girls are like what I bought. What, did we buy a cassava or something?
00:42:27:23 - 00:42:28:19
Jason
Okay. So that was good.
00:42:29:00 - 00:42:31:15
Filly
Yeah, yeah, like it is.
00:42:31:16 - 00:42:33:15
Chris
You. Yeah.
00:42:33:17 - 00:42:34:07
Filly
I did.
00:42:34:09 - 00:42:35:20
Chris
Then we met with chips.
00:42:35:20 - 00:42:52:01
Filly
The gas was very slow, so it took a really long time to cook. And some things are a little bit hard. And I think it was more my kids, like. I thought it was nice. Oh, know, children were like, oh, this doesn't taste like what it does it. I mean.
00:42:52:03 - 00:43:13:15
Jason
Well, you know, you're outside your comfort zone and yeah, killing yourself. But over time, you know, these things get a lot easier. You went away for a week or so, but yeah, travelling full time, it just becomes routine and just what, what you do, you might find something new and different and then you just ask someone at the market or on this, you know, a unit they had had.
00:43:13:15 - 00:43:15:07
Jason
It's best to prepare it.
00:43:15:08 - 00:43:27:17
Filly
That is what I didn't ask. That was probably a really nice way of meeting people and having like a really good, like, real conversation in the village. Yeah, in the markets.
00:43:27:19 - 00:43:48:01
Jason
Yeah, exactly. We've met many people at the markets who want to, take you to their house and offer you a cup of tea or, they'll give you things or taste this or have this or, you know, they're so happy to see you. And if you're somewhere for a couple of weeks and you keep going back, you know, you kind of get a relationship with them as well.
00:43:48:01 - 00:44:10:02
Jason
So lots of special moments from meeting the mainly woman that the markets really that you find that the blokes are all, busy doing things, playing chess and things and, but. That's how it is. So good. You do meet a lot of nice ladies at the market. Yeah. Yeah, we love that market.
00:44:10:04 - 00:44:21:19
Filly
Yeah. Okay. This has been fun. So, so glad that we got to catch up. And I'll say that out. How? I didn't go out there, I didn't. Could you hear the thunderstorm?
00:44:21:21 - 00:44:25:16
Jason
I heard it in the beginning, but, I haven't heard it since then.
00:44:25:18 - 00:44:32:19
Chris
Yeah, I think it's fading away. There was one, it sounded like it hit a tree, like, close by. I'm going to go for.
00:44:32:21 - 00:44:33:08
Filly
Laughter.
00:44:33:09 - 00:44:38:07
Chris
And go check it out. Well, we'll post some pictures. If it if it hit something wrong.
00:44:38:09 - 00:44:39:10
Jason
00:44:39:12 - 00:45:16:22
Filly
Sorry to wrap up. Do you have any last words of wisdom? So from someone who went from having an autoimmune condition and high levels of inflammation healed and now thriving over the last 18 months, any words of wisdom in terms of I call it the macro lens of healing. So sometimes like, it's probably more when people are coming out of, survival mode and they're still symptomatic, but it's almost like, yeah, today is great, or this week is great, but then the next week it's like, oh, I've crashed again, or I'm flurry again, or you've healed.
00:45:17:01 - 00:45:30:13
Filly
Bet you're a human being living in the world and you're growing and expanding and something comes up like there's always going to be challenges, words of wisdom for people who might be navigating that.
00:45:30:15 - 00:45:59:06
Jason
Well, I'm going to go back to the gardening scenario. So Chris understands. So if you think, well, okay, so this picture, an apple tree, you see the stump comes out of the ground and you see the big picture of the well. You see, the small picture really is the tree with the delicious apples on it. But the bigger picture is everything below the surface that you don't see all the roots and the things under the ground.
00:45:59:08 - 00:46:21:11
Jason
So it's important what's going on under there is going to affect all these tasty apples in the tree at the top. So it's kind of like your health is people see the tree which is your body in the apples, but everything inside that you can't see, like all the roots, that's going to affect everything. The bigger picture that you can see.
00:46:21:11 - 00:46:35:19
Jason
So by looking after all those roots and getting to cause of the problems and things, getting them all healthy, and you going to get the nice tasty apple on the outside.
00:46:35:20 - 00:46:39:17
Filly
I love that we do have some apples. I'm going to go pick one now.
00:46:39:19 - 00:46:55:16
Jason
Yeah. But you know, and then if a little bug comes along and the texture apple tree, if it has a good root system, it's like a challenge with your life. Yeah. You can fight that bug off the trees nice and healthy. So it might get a fly on it for a few days. But it's the healthy tree. It can recover from that.
00:46:55:16 - 00:47:14:04
Jason
It's hardly a challenge at all. But if you got that bad root system, the fly comes along and all the big population of fly start taking the tree and leaves will fall off. But with all that nice healthy root system below the surface that you can't see, that's all good. Then you're going to get that nice big apple at the in the big picture.
00:47:14:04 - 00:47:19:10
Jason
So, for the small pictures, the, the big picture is the root system on the ground.
00:47:19:12 - 00:47:20:12
Filly
Yeah.
00:47:20:14 - 00:47:46:19
Jason
It's it's, like your health. Like your health. Really. It's all the things that are inside, not the, the so many things to learn about, which is what we liked about the body burn out. Cause, this root causes and lots of emotional things. It's not just a to fix as many different things that kind of go to make you who you are.
00:47:46:19 - 00:47:53:02
Jason
It's not just what you eat, but a lot is a lot of things to discover. Yeah, so much to learn.
00:47:53:04 - 00:47:54:03
Filly
Yeah.
00:47:54:05 - 00:48:07:06
Jason
And I like going to work. And you a carpenter only taking the hammer to work. But then when you done the course and you learn a lot more stuff, you got a whole toolbox full of different bits and pieces to take with you. The job will be a lot easier. Love it.
00:48:07:08 - 00:48:08:23
Filly
Faster, more effective.
00:48:09:01 - 00:48:09:12
Jason
Faster.
00:48:09:17 - 00:48:11:02
Filly
And efficient.
00:48:11:04 - 00:48:15:12
Jason
Yes, if your house isn't going to blow over when there's a storm or a thunderstorm.
00:48:15:18 - 00:48:16:09
Chris
Or a thunder.
00:48:16:09 - 00:48:42:22
Filly
Thunderstorm. Yeah, it's a that's I love that. It kind of made me reflect on just like a practical symptom example that might also help listeners. That that even back as a teenager, I had a lot of hormonal issues, PCOS and infertility later on and all sorts of stuff and even when I'd done the physical, kind of like functional medicine healing, my hormones got better.
00:48:42:22 - 00:49:02:02
Filly
But it was it was like if there was a little fly that came and landed on me, bang. And it almost feel like my hormones were back at square one. It's like, oh my gosh, like, where's my period gone? And my skin flaring off and I'm like a emotional as opposed to now it's like month by month, get a lovely period.
00:49:02:04 - 00:49:20:21
Filly
Hormones are fine. Everything's happy even when we might go through something like a busier period, like we did back in January when we had a launch for our business and we had extra things that we were juggling that it's like no body is resilient when the roots are resilient.
00:49:20:23 - 00:49:26:17
Jason
Exactly. Yeah. You can fight things off your healthy root system. It's nothing.
00:49:26:19 - 00:49:27:02
Filly
Yeah.
00:49:27:05 - 00:49:35:23
Jason
But all these roots so disease, they're not going well. The leaves are going to fall off and you're going to be looking at a tree that it's going to be, needing a lot of work.
00:49:35:23 - 00:49:37:19
Filly
But yeah.
00:49:37:21 - 00:49:41:03
Jason
The root system. Oh nice. And those apples are so tasty.
00:49:41:05 - 00:49:44:23
Filly
He so good. Well, thank you so much.
00:49:45:00 - 00:49:46:05
Chris
Thanks, Jason.
00:49:46:05 - 00:49:47:03
Filly
Awesome. Yes.
00:49:47:05 - 00:49:49:00
Jason
My pleasure. It's great to see you guys.
00:49:49:00 - 00:49:58:15
Chris
Yeah. Likewise. Thank you so much for for coming on the podcast again. For those of you I'll see if it works. This is on Spotify.
00:49:58:17 - 00:49:59:09
Filly
Number 20.
00:49:59:10 - 00:50:19:14
Chris
Episode 28 was when we had Jason last time. So thanks so much for coming on. It's been a pleasure. I'm excited for your for your travels and, and, get to chat more about what happens to you over there when you come over.
00:50:19:14 - 00:50:20:14
Jason
And maybe already.
00:50:20:16 - 00:50:33:15
Chris
Your show sounds like a plan. Alrighty. Thanks, mate. And we'll, trouble. Thanks, everybody, for tuning in, and we'll catch you on the next one.
00:50:33:17 - 00:50:43:19
Filly
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00:50:43:21 - 00:51:07:15
Chris
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00:51:07:17 - 00:51:07:23
Chris
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