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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Body Burnout Show, where your hosts, Chris and Filly co-founders of multi award winning Functional Medicine Practice, serving busy people with energy mood and got issues well.
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Filly
Busyness, overworking, addictive doing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic route root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body, get your spot back deeply, connect with yourself and step into the life of your dreams. Let's dive in.
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Chris
Welcome, everybody, to the ending Body Burn Out show. This episode is a really cool one. We are interviewing one of our clients, Jace, and he's gone through the ending body Burn out method, specifically Spark. We're going to talk about his his journey, how it's how it's panned out for him. I'm really excited to chat to Jace. He's a really cool guy, real lovable larrikin.
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Chris
So I say we dive right into the into the show how we feel. Yes, do it. Do you want to introduce Jace and, and we'll get this show rolling.
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Filly
Yeah. Thank you. First of all, so much for coming on the show today. Jace We are so like, so grateful, but also I feel like the more that people will share their own stories, not just the trials and stuff that they've gone through with body burn out, but also that there's hope that you can heal and you can stay well.
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Filly
It's just a great gift to give to the world. So incredibly grateful that you're on our podcast today. Welcome.
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Jase
Thank you. Yeah, super excited. BE Oh, all right.
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Filly
Well, let's just let's dive right in. Back to the start. So you had already been on quite the healing journey before you started working with us. Can you take us right back to the start when your body started showing signs of symptoms and feel very free to go right back to when you were a kid?
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Jase
I Oh yeah, sure. Well, remembering back to a kid, I remember always getting hot. We lived in a little out on a farm and we slept up in the loft, my sister and I, and there were no windows and we had a water bed and that was always hot. So it's no surprise. Now, thinking back, I think I was getting cooked and always had rashes and things and and fungal infections on my feet.
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Jase
It's so easy to put together when you have all the pieces looking back now. But it was a mystery at the time. And I had to when I got older. The rest is going to move my back and shoulders and legs. And, you know, probably in the last 20 years I've been a landscaper by trade or develop the back issues.
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Jase
And they kind of came to a climax about six years ago. And, you know, being a typical bloke, I just thought they would want to go away on their own, that they never did anything to let go get it fixed.
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Filly
Yeah. And the, the back as well. So you got an autoimmune condition diagnosis for that one didn't you.
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Jase
Yes. Eventually after getting bounced around and trying to get it fixed with lots of different appointments and people mentally diagnosed with. So losing spondylitis which I had never heard of at the time, I couldn't even say it, let alone understand what it was.
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Filly
It's actually really hard to say.
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Jase
You try spelling it.
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Filly
Yeah, Yeah. So how do you So you had these symptoms showing up on your body, the skin things, the fungal things, the food sensitivities as well. That I believe from memory that would then flare up the skin issues and also the back issues. Hey.
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Jase
Yes. Which I discovered would be certain foods which took a while to figure all that, but it was certain food groups that would affect the skin, really. So Coenozoic removed those, the skin down.
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Filly
Yeah. Yeah. Cool. And yeah, awesome. And I think that's when you guys reached out to us too, because it's like, great. Like, it's awesome to discover that there are certain foods that are triggering the symptoms, but then is that is at the end. I just live on a restricted diet for the rest of my life or what's going on there.
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Filly
Can you?
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Jase
Hopefully not.
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Filly
Yeah, exactly. So what foods what foods? And when you were doing the elimination diet and I think you were following Dr. Will Cole's book back then to you. Hey, is that right?
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Jase
Yeah. Luckily, my wife, she's pretty keen on research and things, so we research the info. Losing spondylitis. Mm hmm. And it wasn't a lot of information on it. And everyone kind of told us that there was no cure, and you just have to take them some pills and things which we weren't really keen on. So we kind of thought of the more appropriate.
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Jase
And the elimination diet was something that came up numerous times. Wilko was a doctor in America that had a book up on the elimination diet. So we we went with it. When we followed that for a period of three months, pretty hard core. We cut out a lot of stuff, but the major one we cut out with the grains and the legumes. It kind had
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Jase
an immediate result. Really? Mm hmm. Yeah, because with the pain in the back, it would just wake me up every morning between two and three in the morning it would wake me up and I'd have to get up and move around or go for a walk and do some stretches. And it would settle down and then I was lucky enough to be able to go back and get another couple of hours sleep super fast.
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Jase
I didn't know what was causing this at the time.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah. Both Chris and I had our own fair share of kind of like the musculoskeletal issues. Mine was very much we'd inflammatory things. Chris under bucket load of injuries that never healed properly because of inflammation.
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Jase
Yeah. So I in the world's most strongest man.
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Chris
That didn't help.
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Filly
So yeah, it's, it's crappy. It's often like these, these body burn out symptoms that start showing up. Yeah they're annoying but it's also then how it starts impacting other areas of your life, especially when you can't sleep very well.
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Jase
Sleep is the big one. And then it just kind of becomes normal and you forget what life before was like because you can't remember the decision to live with it and you think that it's just going to go on forever. Yeah, yeah, you just going to accept it and then your brain just going to thinks, Well, this is just another day and this is now it's going to be.
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Jase
Mm.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Jase
Yeah.
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Filly
So was there anything else that you tried before reaching out to us. So you did the elimination diet.
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Jase
Yeah. Chiro and osteo acupuncture, neck repair, lots of different soap, soap and supplements, all sorts of things. Really not just going in, following one, but going back and trying it three or four times to give it a chance to work, but not really any any prolonged success. Yeah. And all the doctors and things just want to give you tablets and your eyes might turn yellow in the back, but you won't have much pain.
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Jase
But you know that this was an hour ago that we thought, you know, it can't be like this forever. There's going to be there's going to be a recall or something. That was something that you can fix.
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Filly
Absolutely.
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Jase
Yeah. That is be normal. Yeah. I don't want to be like that.
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Filly
Yeah. And that's the thing we always say. I mean, we all have a blueprint of perfect health and also ourselves. There's research around it was Bruce Lipton, Ph.D. He was a microbiologist, so he looked at the cells and he discovered that they're either in survival shutdown mode or in thrive mode and never in between. So it's like, well, if we can support the body in whatever it needs, then we have the power to switch it into thrive mode.
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Filly
And then essentially all these symptoms and these diagnoses and labels no longer need to be there.
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Jase
Was like this just society is in that you have a label or something for everything. Yeah.
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Filly
Okay. So the first step with all our clients is the answers phase. So that's where we start digging into body systems because you can have physical symptoms without there being some sort of body system imbalance. And we diagnose those body system imbalances using lab testing. So functional lab testing that go beyond what GP's medical specialists test for. Are you happy to share some of your lab test findings?
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Filly
Can you remember?
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Jase
Yes. Adrenal fatigue, low adrenal in your return. And I had some big bad bacteria that really had never seen so out of control.
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Filly
I was like, I can't even remember. It was in the hundreds maybe. I don't think it was right up there in the field.
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Jase
160 or something, something I'd never even heard of.
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Chris
What bacteria was.
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Filly
A Oh, gee, I would have to actually pull out something last test. Yes, that's a long name.
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Chris
But never did that.
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Jase
But they had to do it. Chris. Yes, I mean, both that but you know, it's all just mind boggling stuff to me that I'd never heard of. Yeah, some type of bad guy that was living inside me.
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Filly
Yeah. And the bacteria too. Like, sometimes you can have foreign things actually come into your body or your gut that shouldn't be there. But often it's more just your normal commensal bacteria that's neutral. But if it all, if it grows, then it becomes an issue. And I'm pretty sure from memory, whichever strain or strain that was, they were autoimmune triggers.
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Filly
So research actually shows that there's different bacteria in our gut that literally triggers an autoimmune condition. And that's what we're talking about in terms of cells being either in the survive shutdown mode or thrive. To a get rid of the bad stuff, improve the good stuff, and then you can thrive.
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Jase
Well, exactly. And a lot of the bad stuff, I think, really explained it like it had a shield around it. So it was kind of becoming unstoppable itself. Yeah, well, it thought it was.
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Chris
What did you say there? Commensal bacteria. What's, what's that?
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Filly
Commensal So it's so in your flora you've got your beneficial bacteria then commensal is kind of commensal is part of your, your native flora. When I, when I specifically say commensal bacteria, it's kind of like the neutral bacteria. They're, they're important in small amounts, but when they overgrow then they can become pathogenic or opportunistic. And what Jase just mentioned there, a lot of the times these bacteria or parasites create little cells around themselves.
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Filly
So that they become they can become resistant to, say, something like antibiotics, even natural support as well, where if you're not doing it correctly, then it's not really penetrating and actually reducing the bacteria.
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Chris
And does that happen naturally or that that is kind of bumped into existence usually by doing something, eating something, contracting something? Is that what what happens there?
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Filly
Yeah, absolutely. So if the body's healthy and balanced and then the microbiome will be healthy imbalance. So stress, lack of sleep, nutrition or poor nutrition, Jase's results to a super interesting that your beneficial microbiome we're pretty like super depleted which was surprising. I remember talking to you and it's just like, you know, you eat so healthy and you have been living a really healthy lifestyle for a long time.
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Filly
Why is your microbes being so depleted? So we also just in such a toxic world as well, that babies are being born with microbiome flora that actually isn't that balanced and healthy. And so then adding stresses of life and it just gets lower and lower.
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Jase
Yep.
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Filly
So how did you feel too, especially after doing like, you know, all the supplements and the diets and all the remedial work and not kind of like getting a sustainable, long lasting improvement. How did you feel when you saw all these imbalances? Were you excited or nervous?
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Jase
It was a feeling of relief, I think, to start with that. Like, you know, there was something going on in there that we could fix, then a feeling of excitement and triumph comes over you because you're, you see a light at the end of the tunnel.
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Filly
Yes.
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Jase
There's something wrong. It can be fixed. And that's all back. It just seemed like a game of snakes and ladders without any ladders. It was just all snakes over time. And then you do the test and some results come back and then the snakes start to go away and you start seeing ladders and ways you can climb out of them.
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Jase
But the place you put yourself.
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Filly
A love that.
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Chris
Snakes and.
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Filly
Ladders, snakes and ladders, we're going to use that in our next course that we create.
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Jase
Just like that. It's just like sliding down all these snakes and you can't get back. And that's then you see some ladders finally that climbing and then ladders overtaking snakes. And then you just keep climbing and you're unstoppable.
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Filly
And you're unstoppable. Well, let's Yeah, let's talk about that.
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Jase
Yeah.
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Chris
That I think there's. Filly you just talked about before that life in general. These days, the world that we live in can contribute to depletion and an unhealthy lifestyle. But then there's things that we can do on top. There's things that we can make a part of our life that either make it worse or make it impossible to heal.
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Chris
Just kind of supplement that depletion kind of thing and I'm interested Jase for our story or for your story. Sorry, what did you what did you discover about yourself in and the root causes of of your body system burn out? Was there a mind body connection in your discoveries?
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Jase
Yes, there was. Well, we we initially reached out to you guys for the lab testing, and we didn't really know what the spark program was. And we just thought, no, we only want the test, we don't need the spark. But then we thought, Well, let's have a go. The spark stuff. And, you know, it was great. It changed our life.
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Jase
It was it was awesome. You discover so much about why you are where you are and why you are who you are. Really? Mm hmm. That's. It's crazy. And I was brought up with, like, the attitude of this push through it and work harder and and keep going. And then you kind of learn, you know, that this leads to the burnout, really.
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Jase
And the whole the whole spark program was just like small pieces of puzzle that you get. And you slowly put it all together and you kind of just things start to make sense. Everything just becomes a lot clearer.
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Chris
That's awesome. Do you have anything the that was like a light bulb moment to you that stands out.
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Jase
And a light bulb moment that, well, just the beginning brought up in the society where you just go to try and be someone that you're naturally not just by feelings and signs of weakness, It just considered weak, they just go to suppress those and move them down. And you got to keep proving yourself and pleasing people and just keeping busy.
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Jase
Busy all the time. And the harder you work, the stronger you are and the more people you can help and please, the better. But eventually it catches up with you.
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Filly
It's huge too. Like what you said too. Around. This is the message that society projects onto us, which also becomes like in In Spark, if someone's like, what is what the heck is Spark?
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Jase
Yeah.
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Filly
We did say so for our listeners, if you've been listening to our podcast, you would know what we're talking about, but that is what we call the metaphysical side of. It's like the metaphysical lab testing because you are connecting now all the dots of your patterns of behaviour and thought patterns, but also what's happening unconsciously. And then healing those deeper, deeper beliefs that you've kind of taken on as a kid or from society.
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Filly
So it sounds like for you, Jess, that was yeah, this message that just keep pushing it, just keep doing work hard, be successful.
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Jase
You're not good enough. You just got to keep going. Yeah.
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Filly
Yeah. And it's almost like the more that you do, then, the more that you can prove that you are enough. But really inside, it's just like, this is not working anymore. So I'm going to send you some pretty strong signals to stop. Like, literally, I'm going to give you back pain to the point that it's not just usual back pain, it's an auto autoimmune back pain.
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Filly
Because I know that you can't work very well when you have back pain and you're not going to sleep. So like, literally I'm going to try to stop you so that you can get the message that something is out of alignment with yourself. Like, this isn't working anymore.
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Jase
It's not working anymore. Yeah. And it's the body that's doing that that you learn that. So it's not just physical, it's a lot of mental stuff as well that put you where you are. It wasn't just physically, it was mentally as well. Always thinking and working things in your mind as well. That also burnt me out.
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Jase
Yes.
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Filly
Yes.
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Jase
We have self help and things and I had a religious upbringing and it was kind of making me someone that I was Jane Doe. Mm. So it took a few years before I could remove the shame and still keep proving myself to myself. Really, and to others that I was not that person and I was the person who I wanted to be.
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Jase
Yeah. You take all these things up. It's interesting not to forget about them, but they all come up. They are all pieces of the puzzle that makes me who you are.
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Chris
That's awesome. I think that's a really beautiful point around shame. I call it should creak like we get stuck up should creek. I should do that. I should do this. You know what I mean? We get stuck. So. Hey.
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Jase
How we doing? So.
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Chris
Yeah, exactly. So I just think sometimes we just get stuck up that creek without a paddle, don't we? It's. And until we. We really just. Just stop comparing ourselves to outside sources and we get this internal sense of security. And, you know, I think that's, that's part of life is that we've all got a climb to the top of that mountain, confront our wolf, and then come back down a grown up version of ourselves, you know?
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Jase
Yeah, exactly. Just to keep you up, then you have to prove yourself or be anyone that people expect you to be. Be yourself.
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Chris
Yeah.
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Filly
It's a shame to. I was just thinking about Dr. Will Cole, who talking about before with the Elimination diet, his newest book, Gut Feelings. He talks about the body, mind, connection and specifically the term. He calls it shame-flammation, shame-flammation, all like that.
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Jase
And it's right. That's right.
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Filly
It is great because it causes inflammation, physical inflammation in the body in just the same way that say I sniffing parabens are putting parabens into your body or eating something that your body then produces inflammation around. So yeah, like this, this deeper unconscious stuff is pretty much the tiger that chases smell around our system, causing all sorts of inflammation in the way of cortisol and adrenaline.
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Filly
And, you know, some of those things that have burnt out on your tests adrenal fatigue, low adrenaline, serotonin. And then the more these and your endocrine stress chemicals depleted, then that's where more and more dysfunction happens in the body. Shameful shame formation.
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Jase
Well, it snowballs out of control until you're kind of fix it.
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Filly
Yeah. Yep. Sorry. Take us. Take us to the moment when you realised that the ending body burn out method was actually working to solve your problem.
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Jase
It's probably after about a month of the spark and the supplements that you provided. the supplements kind of start working in the bad things inside. You start dying off and you start getting rid of them and you start learning different things with the Spark lesson. Your brain starts thinking differently. It kind of approach things differently and in a different way.
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Jase
And you just see lots more ladders. Like I said before, snakes are going away and the ladders come and you just look at things differently and it it's more positive. You feel better. It's just it starts to work and you just get excited and you can't wait for more.
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Filly
Like, I'm unstoppable now.
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Jase
Goes well.
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Filly
And it is what I find too, when you're doing both the physical, the physical healing, but also the metaphysical healing, it just becomes this momentous, beautiful snowball of great results.
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Jase
It is a big snowball and it's just like a flame that inside of you. And it just it just clicked that I don't know that you've got things right. It's functional at work. MM Yeah. And not hiding things or taking something to fix it. It's just like you're having success by digging up and finding the actual problem and fixing it from the root.
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Jase
And it just kind of grows from then to start to feel better.
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Filly
Yeah. New fruit blossoms on the tree.
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Jase
I love it. Yeah, that's true. It's also.
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Filly
Sorry, what is life looking like now? Like in terms of how is your body feeling, your health? Have you noticed any changes in your life as well, whether that's relationships, work, wellbeing.
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Jase
Yeah. Yes. Well, most of the skin issues have gone awesome. When I got the starting to feel better and they kind of disappeared, I don't heat up anymore. My body, my core body temperature is a lot better. My back pains come down from from probably about an 8 to 0.
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Chris
Wow. That's awesome.
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Jase
So yeah, most of the time it's a zero. I look, sometimes if I have some food, I can go up to a one again. So I'm still introducing some of the things a bit sensitive to the greens and legumes. Mm hmm. So I eat a huge bowl of pasta, then mostly in the morning. I'll have a bit of a stiff back.
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Jase
Mm. I can get rid of that. And I've got the tools now. We can look at pain differently.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Jase
You approach it differently. Yeah. I've got a little bit of a knife in my back. I can turn it into an object move. I can for the ball, cause I like the sport. Turn it into a football. I see some goalposts are running. Kick that ball over the goalposts and the pain is gone. That is.
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Filly
So cool.
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Jase
I love it. Yes. You told me that.
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Filly
Jay-Z's Jay-Z specifically talking about an LP process that we use called communicating with symptoms is kind of using. It's really like the pain. The pain is also not only do you physically feel it, but your brain is coding it in a specific way. Oh, you nervous stim? So when we can actually change it to something that we can actually do something with it.
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Filly
So for Jay-Z, that was a ball away. Like literally then we're just retraining the brain in the nervous system to say, Hey, like we're safe now, we don't need this anymore, and we can actually decode it to reduce it and eliminate it, which is so cool. So cool.
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Jase
Yeah. And now you can do that with sometimes if we have a negative thought, you can say, Well, thank you. Won't be needing that. You can sell that off into the aether as well.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Jase
It's great tools. You're all in this doing spot. You grow a lot, you gain so much knowledge and just not afraid of things anymore. You approach stuff differently, you have a lot more self-love and confidence and happiness. You sleep a lot better. You just feel better. I'm unstoppable.
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Chris
That's awesome.
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Filly
Unstoppable.
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Chris
Oh, I was going to sing that song from Sia. I'm unstoppable. But I don't have the words and I can't sing.
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Jase
Yeah, I missed the singing.
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Chris
Well, well, I think just what you said then, before. Before the singing part. I'm. What would you what else would you say to others out there who might be stuck in a cycle of body burn out, struggling to get anywhere? Maybe. And who might even feel like there is no hope?
00;27;35;13 - 00;27;57;18
Jase
Look, you can be. And you can be whoever you want. If you want real answers and if you want to discover the real problem, just reach out the person. Billy It's not easy, but it's a lot easier than what you're going through now. Mm Yeah, it's called funk, and it's functional medicine. It's functional. That's what it named. It's functional.
00;27;57;18 - 00;28;01;25
Jase
It works. You can fix it. You can fix yourself. I said.
00;28;01;28 - 00;28;04;13
Chris
That's it, that's it.
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Jase
Do it. Don't be afraid. Yeah, yeah, I know. It just. It just get you get down and you get lost. You feel lost and nothing's working. But functional medicine worked for me. Give it a shot. This is really a great. No. Do it. Your leg. Thank you. Sorry.
00;28;25;08 - 00;28;26;25
Chris
That's so good.
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Jase
Nice. Thank you. Got an update? This is great.
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Filly
So thanks.
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Jase
Our life.
00;28;32;17 - 00;28;37;03
Filly
Circle. That's so beautiful. Feeling a little bit teary and emotional right now.
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Jase
Oh, hey, that's okay. Feelings are fine.
00;28;41;18 - 00;28;44;03
Filly
Feelings are good. They're good feelings.
00;28;44;06 - 00;28;48;17
Chris
You know what you do, Jace? You put the fun in functional medicine, that's for sure.
00;28;48;17 - 00;28;51;13
Jase
Oh, thanks, Chris. Have you been saving that one up?
00;28;51;14 - 00;28;55;08
Chris
Yep.
00;28;55;11 - 00;28;59;04
Jase
Oh, I love it. So. That's right.
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Filly
That's also very cool. Thank you so much. We have loved working with you and so grateful for you to come on the show today. And I know that so many people are going to be inspired by all the things that you shared today.
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Chris
Thanks, man.
00;29;15;04 - 00;29;22;28
Jase
Thank you for having me. Thanks for the journey and I look forward to seeing you again. Still everyone out there. Thank Chris and Billy.
00;29;23;00 - 00;29;42;00
Chris
You stick around. Jace will have a bit of a chat, but thank you listeners for joining us on this episode of the ending Body Burnout show. Take Care and talk to you soon.
00;29;42;03 - 00;29;51;12
Filly
Thank you so much for listening. We so appreciate you. If you'd like to give us extra smiles, drop us a review and spread the love by sharing this episode, you.
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Chris
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