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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Buddy Burnout show. We are your host, Chris and Phile, co-founders of a multi winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, business, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body. Get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Filly
Hello! It is Billy here on the podcast. Today you are going to be privileged to listen to a live coaching session today. In our practice, we when we work with clients to end body burnout, we're working on both the physical and the metaphysical bodies. Because you can't separate the two. This root cause coaching session is less about the physical in terms of what body systems have become imbalanced, burnt out, overgrown.
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Filly
That, type of inquiry. We leave for a connect the dots episode and initial consult this session. The root cause deeper root root cause coaching session is really looking at why. Why have the body systems burnt out in the first place? Why is the body sending strong pain signals to the person in order to get their attention? What are the underlying messages beneath that?
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Filly
So Chris takes, gorgeous. So Lucy, through the coaching process.
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Lucy
And.
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Filly
She shares her issues with chronic diary inflammation and doing, doing, doing high achieving, always feeling like she needs to be productive and wants to be productive. But her body is now sending her some strong signals. So as you're listening, try this on for yourself because I'm sure there's a lot of patterns and probably also symptoms that you will resonate with and just have your heart are open, open to receiving any gold insights for yourself that will help you move the needle to understanding the messages from your body.
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Filly
So before we jump into the episode, I also want to announce that tomorrow, Tuesday 28th of May, we closed doors to our ending body burn out method. So if you've been following us listening to the podcast, maybe you've attended some of our free coaching events over the last week, which have been epic. Thank you so much for those who have attended live, watched the recordings, given feedback.
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Filly
It's like it's so good. If you've been resonating in your heart, it maybe you don't even can't even understand it, but you're being pulled. This type of healing and you feel like, oh, this might be the thing. This might be the thing that can solve my issues. Then don't delay. Jump over and join the ending body burn out method.
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Filly
You have only probably a few hours by the time you listen to this. Maybe a day to be able to jump in. We do only open doors three times a year. We won't be open again until into September, so jump in. Why wait until then? You will be miles ahead of where you are if you sign up now, as opposed to waiting until September or maybe even 2025, what have you got to lose?
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Filly
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Chris
Welcome, everybody, to this episode of The Body Burnout Show. We have a lovely guest on today. We have Lucy. And so Lucy and I, we met a few years ago.
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Lucy
I actually it's about ten.
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Chris
Is it ten? Yeah. Yeah, because I think you pop up on my Facebook memories for, like, a long time ago.
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Chris
so why don't you tell everybody who you are, what you do for work? start with that.
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Lucy
Okay. So thank you for having me. Lucy, I am a remedial massage therapist, so I work for myself. I work four days a week. my works pretty stress free. I guess. When I started working for myself, I made sure I put up those boundaries. you know, to not take on too much as I really love what I do.
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Lucy
So I didn't want to burn out too quickly. So when I started working for myself, I was pretty firm on the hours that I was going to do, and not trying to be that yes person. So I've managed to stick to that. So yeah, I, I still love what I do and, yeah, four day workweeks for the win.
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Lucy
outside of work, I'm pretty active, so I've been in and out of the gym for a long time. Longer than ten years, obviously. Now, like these days. yeah. Do a bit of strength training. Still. Oh, and I've just got into mountain biking, so.
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Chris
Yeah. Nice. Okay.
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Lucy
Yeah.
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Chris
So what's your what's your current, like, physical activity. Yes. quantity of, of stuff that you do. You said like doing like strength conditioning three times a week. You told me before.
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Lucy
yeah. Yeah.
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Chris
Going for hikes. How often do you go, like, hiking and all that sort of stuff?
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Lucy
usually on the weekends. Now I'll do a hike or go for a ride. walk the dog. But that's honestly like, it's probably the least amount of physical activity I've done in a long time. I mean, before I was training six days a week, twice a day sometimes, and running. So I've definitely rooted in a lot.
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Chris
Yeah. What, what, what are some reasons that you reeled it in?
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Lucy
Oh, I guess, injury, sort of got to the point where my body functioning optimally or as close to was, you know, more important than being able to deadlift 140 kilos. So. And obviously, with work, I need to be, able. Yeah. Yeah. yeah. Helping others. So I need to. Yeah. Be functioning.
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Chris
Yeah. And, Your body function is directly tied to your your career, right? Like, as a as a massage. Massage therapist.
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Lucy
yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I guess what I do for work is physical and, can be emotionally exhausting as well. so, yeah, I like to make sure that I'm, I guess, well enough to, to be able to do that, to provide.
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Chris
Yeah. When you said injuries, Lucy, what sort of injuries did you have?
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Lucy
in the past, I've had ongoing back issues. Yeah. so chronic back pain, which I still have like the last six months, have been, pretty bad in that regard. I've got, you know, I've had herniated discs and sacroiliac Harris and I've got ankylosing spondylitis, which is a degenerative autoimmune disorder that affects the spine and the vertebrae.
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Lucy
So just a whole lot of inflammation essentially.
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Lucy
so, yeah, I guess now it's just like, I don't need to be stupid strong. I just need to be strong enough to do my daily activities.
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Chris
yeah. Okay. I'll let I'll just write that down as, like a a goal, like, that's that's what you're after, like, just strong enough. Like, it's not it's not. Yeah. It's. You don't have to be. Yes to crack the concrete when you walk or anything like that. It's just.
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Lucy
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
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Chris
I love it. any other injuries? So, you had herniated disc spondylitis?
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Lucy
no other injuries. But I do have this ongoing, I guess you could call it a gastrointestinal unknown. Idiopathic. Can't give it a name thing.
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Chris
Yeah.
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Lucy
So that was probably a big contributor to me taking a pretty big step back from the gym and doing lots of physical activity. Yeah.
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Chris
Yeah, yeah. So, do you feel comfortable sharing chronic gastrointestinal stuff going on?
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Lucy
Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I mean, yeah.
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Chris
Ask what sort of what sort of symptoms do you get?
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Lucy
So I b to in a nutshell haven't done I think in I would say close to five, probably four years now. Yeah. And just really get you like it's a bit of a running joke between people that are close to me. Is that, the Fata in the, in the friend group. So.
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Chris
Yeah.
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Lucy
and yeah, just, I guess intolerances, you know, bloating all that other, stuff that comes along with it.
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Chris
Gotcha.
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Lucy
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Chris
So how long have you had like the gastro intestinal stuff going on.
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Lucy
So probably since about 2019 I would say. Yeah. Yeah.
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Chris
Okay. So what what brought it on. Do you know, is there anything like I went to Bali I guess.
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Lucy
Yeah, yeah.
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Lucy
I think there's a handful of things. Sorry. My dog's here with me. I climbed up onto my lap. Yes, he comes to work with me. I think there's a handful of contributing factors. So I did go overseas. Not Bali, but to the island. So, and also with my back issues, I have been on and off prescription, non-steroidal and inflammatories for a good while since my early 20s.
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Lucy
So 18, 15, 18 years. and before going to Thailand, I, the travel doctor, recommended some, course of antibiotics as a malaria preventative because where I was going was sort of out in the village, yeah. It's sort of not super sanitary or hygienic. So, yeah. So because of the antibiotics and since, yeah, I got back from Thailand and just started, so I thought I had maybe a parasite or an infection, you know, pests and just.
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Lucy
Yeah, classic. Like most of your clients, from listening to your podcast, the how. Yeah. No. No answers. try all the things, get no answers, get told it's idiopathic and hand-pulled around and not really.
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Lucy
just that live. Okay. from. Practitioners and specialists, I think, isn't really there. It's just, you know, you pay the money, they do a couple of basic tests and get nothing. So send you on your way. Yeah, yeah.
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Chris
What sort of tests have you done, Lucy?
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Lucy
so I started out just with, I guess, yeah. Basic stool samples, parasites. So I probably did about three of those, bloods, and then I did a faecal protection. I think it is, where they look at levels of inflammation in the small intestine. So when I had that one done, this was just sort of my GP.
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Lucy
My inflammation levels in my small intestine were in insanely high. And the report said, Like, I guess,
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Lucy
Something like cancer or bad disease or whatever you call it is likely. So it was obviously I can't remember what the levels were, but they were like way above where they should be. So then I got sent off to the gastroenterologist and he did a few more tests and I had a CT scan almost full of tests done and a colonoscopy, which is, always a treat.
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Lucy
and again, nothing came back. It was like, try low Fodmap, try taking take about. I think when you get to the point of a colonoscopy, you've already tried those things like you did once. You're gonna try before having, you know, something inserted up your bum like so. Yeah. And it just, I got to the point where I just lost all faith in.
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Lucy
You know, the specialist and the GP. So I just kind of accepted it and gave up, which sucks. and then I guess turned to more, Maybe like eastern treatments and more natural, holistic approaches like Natural plus and nutritionists and TCM acupuncture. yeah. all of that. Yeah. We still no real. Yeah. Yeah.
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Chris
Okay.
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Chris
So what what sort of, You kind of got into it a little bit with, What you were just saying there. Have you done any you've listened to our podcasts? You know, we talk about, the metaphysical and the physical. There's. Yeah, there's there's physical reasons why your your joy.
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Lucy
Yeah.
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Chris
Don't function the way it or or should.
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Lucy
Yeah.
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Chris
Have you looked into other metaphysical reasons, that that your, your body might not be.
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Lucy
Yeah.
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Chris
Operating the way you want it to.
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Lucy
Yeah. I mean it's definitely something I've thought about because I, you know, aware of that side of things and open to it. And, you know, I don't say it as woowoo. I think, there's a lot more research coming out now that these things, you know, like, it's that it's, you know, proven, that the body can hold on to things and then that creates these, illnesses essentially, or, responses.
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Lucy
So, yeah, I've, I've delved into that a little bit, you know, like meditation and breathwork and visualisation, and things like that.
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Chris
And how did that go? But how is that going?
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Lucy
I mean, I try and be consistent with it, but it's probably, you know, definitely something I can do a lot more of. yeah.
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Chris
So do you think the, the, the meditation, the breathwork, even even, like, what did you say? You said eastern, like eastern approaches. Yeah, TMJ. Did you say TMJ?
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Lucy
So traditional TCM, traditional Chinese medicine, TMJ. Yeah, TMJ. I mean, I do clench a little bit, so yeah, I probably get a bit of.
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Chris
That's awesome. Maybe I was like playing with my cheek at the time. It was say that and my brain went to TMJ.
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Lucy
Oh my childhood.
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Chris
Yeah, she's speaking to me.
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Lucy
yeah. So we have an amazing, traditional Chinese medicine practitioner here in Launceston now, and I've seen him a fair bit and have got some relief. But it's, it's not, you know, it's fairly temporary, but you know, I think you do need to be consistent with these sort of things. We seem to expect like a, a quick fix fast sort of.
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Lucy
But it's just not the way it works really. Is it?
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Chris
yeah. That's a good that's a good question. Some. Oh, t you know, the the answer could be yes or no to that. Like, is it a quick fix? of obviously it hasn't been, a overnight success for you. Like, you feel like you're still in the in the thick of it, right?
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Lucy
Yeah.
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Chris
Or, or in the innocent.
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Lucy
Yeah, yeah.
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Lucy
Yeah. I'd like to be in the thick of it. I'd like it to be thicker. Yeah.
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Chris
You want some? You need some more consistency in your life.
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Lucy
Yeah, I j.
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Chris
here we go. Okay. So. So metaphorically speaking, I love, I love looking at symptoms as a metaphor. so so there's some we'll probably circle back to this, but but, you know, like. You're not broken. You're not broken. You're your body craves health. Yeah. Every behaviour has a belief underneath.
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Lucy
Yeah.
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Chris
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Chris
And and largely, your symptoms largely come from your unconscious. but I just take a pause real quick because I'm not sure if I'm cutting out. Am I cutting out.
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Lucy
A tiny bit? But I can still, like, he was just a little.
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Chris
I got an iPad just right off you. I'd say. Jesse, if you're watching this edit. there you go. Let's go back into it again. and I guess my zoom is my zoom.
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Chris
Okay. You're back then? Yeah. Sorry, Lucy.
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Lucy
Not so good.
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Chris
So, like, the the.
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Lucy
I know you're on a roll. Then.
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Chris
train me an iPad. There we go. Oh, there we are. Nice. All right. I hope this. I hope this works. All right. If it doesn't, we'll just take another pause. Okay? Okay. And welcome back. so. Metaphorically speaking.
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Chris
We've got consistency, a lack of consistency. But your body, your body craves health. And if symptoms would be a communication from the unconscious.
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Chris
Is there or what is that? Maybe. What is that would be a better question. What? What link is there between a fear of consistency and. And your health at the moment? Is there anything there?
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Lucy
I don't think. I don't think there's a, there is King's distance. See, I think I have, maybe a need for it. I am very much a routine person, so I don't I'm not spontaneous or spur of the moment. So I think I like life to be consistent. I have a pretty big fear of monotony, despite lacking things to be consistent.
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Lucy
It's weird. But, a do, I guess, always doing all the things, you know, whether it's competing in strongman or, you know, learning to mountain bike, learning to just I'm always doing. Yeah. I don't like to feel like I'm not achieving or doing so. Yeah.
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Chris
I don't like to feel like I'm not achieving.
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Lucy
Or growing or, evolving.
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Chris
That's interesting.
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Lucy
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Chris
Is that a pattern for you? Like, is that does that apply across context, like, is that, you know, like is sounds like that's for hobbies. So, so I'm doing things for hobbies.
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Lucy
Yeah. It's probably a person, you know, like, on a personal growth level as well. I like to challenge myself. I'm quite driven, I think. So I like to sort of.
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Lucy
yeah. Hobbies as well as just everyday Lucy existence. So I guess.
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Chris
Okay.
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Chris
I, I don't like to feel like I'm not achieving or growing or doing something. What? How is this a problem?
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Lucy
Because I'm never, allowing my body to rest or just exist or just be. And. Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel. Like my gastrointestinal system is. It's just too fast. Like, me.
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Chris
Yeah. Too fast. It just.
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Lucy
I don't. Yeah. Even just, like, walking down the street. I'm doing it fast.
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Chris
Right? have you hold on to that in the past?
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Lucy
I mean, a little bit, but probably more so the last few years, for sure. Yeah, yeah, like my dad used to call me a carer because I'm always. Yeah, they're asking around. so. Yeah, I guess that is a known things. That's probably been something I've done for a while, but I'm definitely more aware of it. Yeah.
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Lucy
More recently. And the how it sort of affects me, I guess.
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Chris
Yeah. And how how old are you, by the way? I didn't even ask.
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Lucy
I'm 38.
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Chris
38.
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Lucy
Yeah.
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Chris
Right. Okay. So so this has been a pattern for, you said since you're a little girl.
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Lucy
Probably,
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Chris
And when did you say it was, like, 2019? How many years ago? Like five years.
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Lucy
Ago? Oh, my. Yeah, almost five years. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was just before Covid that I got my stomach started.
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Chris
Yeah.
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Lucy
Not functioning.
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Chris
Okay. So, you're in your. So you're 38 now. Yeah. so you're like, what's that, 33 just in your 30s. we find the it's somewhere around like mid 30s to to mid 40s. There's just this, like, wall that people hit when they've got this, this dysfunctional pattern. All these, these addicted doing this going on this do do do go go go push push push.
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Chris
Yeah. Ain't got time ain't no time. Race ain't got no time. That it's just like a Wall Hill ring. Yeah that's.
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Lucy
Boring.
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Chris
Boring. So, is there, is there a, you know, do you think there's some sort of lesson in there for you?
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Chris
in.
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Lucy
The need to always be doing.
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Chris
Yeah. So is it. Yeah. And now. And now you can't now, now it's just like your body's just trying to catch up, and it's. And it's just like,
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Lucy
Yeah, there's 100% or less than in there. So it's like a slap in the face for the laughs. And you know, it's not subtle. Yeah, yeah. But I still I don't ignore it. But you know, I keep doing. Yeah. You just sort of. Accept that that's how things are now. And I guess after you know going through the process of.
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Lucy
Spending money and time on seeing people and just sort of continuously being essentially let down or not having any answers. So you just kind of like, oh, well, that's exhausting. So I don't know where else to go. So I'll just suck it up and deal with it. This is my life now. I think that's sort of the point that you get to like, and it's funny because.
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Lucy
Go ahead. I not so good. I. Oh my client you know like I, I don't I tell my clients that you know they don't they shouldn't be in pain all the time. Like that's normal. But he is me in pain. It was, like, yeah. Not practising what I preach.
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Chris
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Chris
So it's like, you know, you're not practising what you preach. You're, like rejecting, running off, running away from, like, something like just. I don't know, it's like you. What's what is, what is loose stools, diarrhoea. It's, you know, it's like the runs, right. Like. Yeah. It's escape. It's getting it out. It's. Yeah. so it's. Do you, do you think there's some sort of thing that you're, you've been putting off or when when it comes to taking care of yourself or that you're,
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Lucy
00:31:14:17 - 00:31:18:14
Chris
Avoiding.
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Lucy
Honestly, there's nothing that I can think of. I am pretty conscious of.
00:31:28:06 - 00:31:35:12
Lucy
Most aspects of it, I think, and I do.
00:31:35:14 - 00:31:42:11
Lucy
like it is sort of how my priority is to look after myself.
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Lucy
So, yeah, there's nothing that I can really. Pinpoint or that I think that I'm neglecting. I think that's probably why it gets frustrating, because I think I'm doing all the right things.
00:32:01:05 - 00:32:09:06
Lucy
But there's obviously something missing.
00:32:09:08 - 00:32:15:06
Chris
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Chris
Okay, so.
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Chris
So that's the we've we've stumble on a pattern is doing doing doing doing doing going going going going. always looking for something fun new interesting stimulus.
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Lucy
Yeah.
00:32:38:05 - 00:32:42:12
Chris
How's how is that a problem. Is that a problem.
00:32:42:14 - 00:32:55:11
Lucy
Well, I mean, I guess I didn't think it was, but now. It's.
00:32:55:13 - 00:33:22:21
Lucy
obviously it's, because I'm always just pushing myself to extremes, I guess. And obviously my body's like, we ain't having this anymore. So. Yeah. I'm not. Yeah. Embracing or allowing that downtime. All that rest.
00:33:22:23 - 00:33:33:13
Chris
where where could you like. Where could that rest come? Like what? What might that look like?
00:33:33:15 - 00:33:48:17
Lucy
I asked myself this question a little bit, and I. I. Honestly, like, I don't really know, doing this. I guess.
00:33:48:19 - 00:34:15:15
Lucy
And, I get, like, I sleep really well. well, that's one thing that, I'm really strict on is getting, like, eight hours of sleep, so I go to bed at, like, 8 p.m.. So I'm not sort of up late doing things like, if anyone ever asks me to do something after 6 p.m., I'm generally like, absolutely not.
00:34:15:15 - 00:34:26:08
Lucy
That's one down time. So I do have that.
00:34:26:10 - 00:34:53:00
Chris
Okay. Different direction. So what about what about, Like what? Why do you even. What's this what's this belief about? Like, tell me more about this, this desire to desire to achieve this desire to to grow. You know, like, we all want to grow. We all, we all need to, to improve. We all need to grow. Right?
00:34:53:00 - 00:35:22:13
Chris
But but, you know, there's a resourceful way that you can do it. And then there's a, resourceful that it's sometimes it just reaches a point where it's just like my need to, to grow. My need to do has just reached a, resourceful tipping point where it's not okay. do you feel like, maybe not not a do you feel like like, what's that all about?
00:35:22:13 - 00:35:36:06
Chris
Like, can you tell me more about like that? That belief. Like, why? Why do you feel like.
00:35:36:08 - 00:35:42:16
Chris
00:35:42:18 - 00:36:16:02
Lucy
I think. like I said, this fear of. Monotony or being stagnant. And it's not like I feel like I need to do things to impress other people or to please other people. It's never, that's never the goal or the. I don't have that need. It's more like.
00:36:16:04 - 00:36:26:14
Lucy
thing for myself. I do things for myself.
00:36:26:16 - 00:36:36:15
Lucy
Yeah. I don't know what sort of brought it on or, where it's come from.
00:36:36:17 - 00:36:42:07
Chris
What do you get out of it? What's the benefit?
00:36:42:09 - 00:36:46:15
Lucy
00:36:46:17 - 00:36:56:15
Lucy
New skills. Excitement. challenges.
00:36:56:17 - 00:37:03:18
Lucy
00:37:04:09 - 00:37:19:11
Lucy
Like achievements. So caveman rewarding. Yeah. It's like, I guess setting yourself a goal or a challenge or. And then. Yeah, achieving it.
00:37:19:12 - 00:37:20:13
Chris
Yeah.
00:37:20:15 - 00:37:21:15
Lucy
00:37:21:17 - 00:37:48:14
Chris
So. So, if you're watching, if you're listening to this. Lucy's face just lit up when she's talking about, like, all the benefits of of achieving and growing. So, I don't want I don't want you to get the opinion that Chris is anti achievement and anti doing like, totally. That's not what we're getting at. I'm more like poking and see if I can find anything.
00:37:48:16 - 00:37:56:04
Chris
It's like when you massage you and you just like how's that. Yeah. That's. How about this. Oh trigger point. Gotcha.
00:37:56:06 - 00:38:00:21
Lucy
Like that a bit harder. Yeah.
00:38:00:23 - 00:38:19:16
Chris
So but but Lucy your your face like you're, you're excited like new skills excitement challenges, fun self treatment rewarding goals and challenges. you know, like this is this is all a positive thing. It's it's like if I gave my, my daughter some sugar.
00:38:19:18 - 00:38:23:13
Lucy
Or something, right? Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
00:38:23:15 - 00:38:24:21
Chris
And then just like that.
00:38:24:21 - 00:38:29:18
Lucy
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:29:20 - 00:38:48:06
Chris
okay. So what's the what's the. Okay. We've talked about drawbacks. Talked about benefits. What about what are the, drawbacks of.
00:38:48:08 - 00:39:04:21
Chris
Not doing, you know, like what what would you lose if you, if you change this this, Preoccupation with with doing and challenge. You know, what would be the drawback with that,
00:39:04:23 - 00:39:10:00
Lucy
Boredom.
00:39:10:02 - 00:39:17:20
Lucy
Yeah. And just.
00:39:17:22 - 00:39:25:21
Lucy
Yeah. Not changing.
00:39:25:23 - 00:39:29:17
Chris
Yeah.
00:39:29:19 - 00:39:40:20
Chris
What's the problem with with with that? Why is that a problem? If you didn't change and if you were bored?
00:39:40:22 - 00:39:50:08
Lucy
I guess to me, I don't feel like that.
00:39:50:10 - 00:40:04:09
Lucy
How I want my life to be.
00:40:04:11 - 00:40:18:19
Lucy
Yeah. Just. Yeah. This thing. This thing and not not doing.
00:40:18:21 - 00:40:23:18
Chris
So is that.
00:40:23:20 - 00:40:31:02
Chris
Like, what do you. What do you think? What are you believing about yourself? Like, if you.
00:40:31:04 - 00:40:48:23
Chris
There's, like, this pacing in here somewhere. I'm not. You'll probably get on to a little bit easier than I would, but, you know, just existing. what's.
00:40:49:01 - 00:41:08:08
Chris
What's the link here? Like, what's what are we. What are you missing here? It's like just existing. Why is that just existing? You know, like, what's the problem with, Why do you say I'm. I don't want to just exist. It's not how I want life to be.
00:41:08:10 - 00:41:18:14
Lucy
Because I feel like,
00:41:18:16 - 00:41:25:20
Lucy
I want to.
00:41:25:22 - 00:41:40:22
Lucy
Like, give and serve and.
00:41:40:23 - 00:41:55:06
Lucy
I guess find my potential and. Yeah. Push myself.
00:41:55:08 - 00:42:23:14
Lucy
And that if I am just existing, not doing those things that I'll like, I don't know, just turn into a puddle on the ground or something. Just sort of evaporate into the couch, like, you know, if I sit down and so I can't just sit down.
00:42:23:16 - 00:42:30:12
Chris
Yeah. Okay. Well, why?
00:42:30:14 - 00:42:57:12
Chris
It's like. Because it's not. I mean, that's it's not, a bad thing to not just sit down, like to to do and go and achieve and all this sort of stuff. So, like, it's not, it's not a bad thing, but I'm just curious of, like, like, why are you, Why are you avoiding this?
00:42:57:14 - 00:43:01:00
Chris
Isn't there some sort of happy medium somewhere?
00:43:01:02 - 00:43:10:01
Lucy
I mean, yeah, and ideally I'd like to find that, but that sort of. I guess the part that I struggle is.
00:43:10:03 - 00:43:13:14
Lucy
00:43:13:15 - 00:43:28:08
Lucy
Yeah. I'm just not a a chilled person. I'm not a to a.
00:43:28:10 - 00:43:33:23
Chris
A that's a that's a limiting belief.
00:43:34:01 - 00:43:55:20
Lucy
Yeah. Yeah I mean obviously like and I, I 100% agree with that. Your thoughts create your actions. So if I'm killing myself I'm not a chilled person then I'm not going to be a chilled person. It's like I know these things, but I still just yeah. Don't,
00:43:55:22 - 00:44:01:06
Lucy
Yeah. Just don't put it into practice. I guess.
00:44:01:08 - 00:44:24:13
Chris
This. Okay. So, so and and you're not ever going to either. so if you don't want to go Buckley's of of actually doing it, like if I said, hey, next time your dog does a poo, like, eat it and you'd be like, okay. I'm like, whoa, no, no, no no no, do something that you don't want to do.
00:44:24:15 - 00:44:32:13
Chris
So, like, if, you know, most people would look at, something that they don't want to do and they're never going to do it.
00:44:32:15 - 00:44:34:15
Lucy
Yeah.
00:44:34:17 - 00:45:11:05
Chris
You know, so if you're, if you're looking and you're always saying, I'm not a chilla, I'm not a chilla. I'm I'm not, you know, what do you what do you believe about yourself when you're chilling? Like, what are the what? what are some give us some like, some like, if you sat down on the couch, something nasty that you would be thinking about yourself or accusing yourself of, like if you just had a sit down, had a bit of a chill, and maybe someone who knows a loves you just kind of like, looks at you and they're just like, Lucy, you just you just relaxing right now.
00:45:11:07 - 00:45:14:03
Chris
I.
00:45:14:04 - 00:45:17:11
Chris
what's something nasty you might say about yourself.
00:45:17:13 - 00:45:36:09
Lucy
That I was wasting time, that I could be doing something productive, you know, like wiping the bench or vacuuming. you know, anything. Just not sitting on the couch.
00:45:36:11 - 00:45:44:19
Chris
Wasting time could be doing something more productive, like wiping the bench. Anything since. Yeah.
00:45:44:21 - 00:45:47:12
Lucy
Right. No one likes a dirty bench.
00:45:47:14 - 00:46:11:11
Chris
No, that's. Well, that's a limiting belief right there as well. I reckon it would be pretty common. But it doesn't has to be like that. I mean, you just you just said you went overseas. I know, when I went over there, there was plenty of places that that did not share that belief. Right, Larry?
00:46:11:13 - 00:46:15:10
Lucy
Yeah. True. True.
00:46:15:12 - 00:46:21:09
Chris
Anything except sitting on the couch.
00:46:21:11 - 00:46:34:04
Chris
Who are you? If you sit on the couch when you're wasting time, when you. When you could be doing something more productive, you know, like if you,
00:46:34:06 - 00:46:41:18
Chris
You could be wiping the bench or doing something, anything except sitting on the couch. Who are you being?
00:46:41:20 - 00:46:48:06
Lucy
lazy. Lazy? Lucy? Unproductive. Lazy.
00:46:48:06 - 00:46:57:07
Chris
Scottish lazy. Lazy. Have you did that? Just kind of came out really quickly. Have you thought about that before?
00:46:57:12 - 00:46:58:05
Lucy
No.
00:46:58:07 - 00:46:59:12
Chris
No.
00:46:59:14 - 00:47:00:23
Lucy
00:47:01:01 - 00:47:02:12
Chris
Lazy Lucy?
00:47:02:14 - 00:47:03:10
Lucy
Yes.
00:47:03:12 - 00:47:16:21
Chris
What's the problem with Lazy Lucy? Like, why? Why is it a problem to, you know. Be accused of being lazy. Lucy.
00:47:16:23 - 00:47:23:20
Lucy
00:47:23:21 - 00:47:41:21
Lucy
I guess it's not being achieving lazy.
00:47:41:22 - 00:48:00:15
Chris
So is there. This is. This is like conflict right here. so you've got a part of you wants to sit on the on the on the couch. a part of you wants to just relax. A part of you. Yes. To wants to chill, right?
00:48:00:17 - 00:48:01:12
Lucy
Yeah.
00:48:01:14 - 00:48:05:22
Chris
I just hang out with with poochie poo right there.
00:48:06:00 - 00:48:08:11
Lucy
Yeah.
00:48:08:12 - 00:48:24:04
Chris
But just, just loving it. But then there's a part of you that wants to achieve that wants to, to grow, that wants to improve. Right. So you've got these two pots.
00:48:24:06 - 00:48:26:16
Lucy
00:48:26:18 - 00:48:55:13
Chris
How does this sound. What what comes to your mind when I say this. That achiever that, that person who wants to learn new skills, feel the excitement of challenge and fun, the fun in self achievement, the rewards that come with goals and challenges and all that sort of stuff like how lit up does that make you feel?
00:48:55:14 - 00:48:59:10
Chris
00:48:59:12 - 00:49:09:18
Lucy
I mean, it me, it makes me feel lit up, but that actually made me feel exhausted. You saying all of that so. Right.
00:49:09:19 - 00:49:10:21
Chris
Okay, so so. Yeah.
00:49:10:21 - 00:49:13:20
Lucy
Just listening to you, this looks like. All right.
00:49:14:02 - 00:49:32:04
Chris
So so you've got a good old. Here we go. There's current affairs. You got a good old Palestine, Israel, Gaza Strip conflict going on inside yourself. You got a war going on?
00:49:32:05 - 00:49:34:07
Lucy
Yeah, that definitely is.
00:49:34:09 - 00:49:37:14
Chris
But they're fighting. They're hurting each other.
00:49:37:16 - 00:49:39:02
Lucy
Yeah.
00:49:39:04 - 00:50:03:05
Chris
Not really. You've this beard. I'm just go a little bit teary. Lucy, you've got this beautiful part of you that loves you so much that just cares for you so much, and that part of you wants you to have everything that it possibly could. Right.
00:50:03:07 - 00:50:03:23
Lucy
00:50:04:01 - 00:50:19:21
Chris
You've got this beautiful. I've got goosebumps, tears. But. And, and that part of you loves you so much and wants the best for you.
00:50:19:23 - 00:50:22:21
Lucy
00:50:22:22 - 00:50:55:07
Chris
And there's another part of you that loves you so much that knows that you just, That knows that you deserve just, Chills. You can relax. And the relaxing part is being accused by the, by the achieving pot of being a lazy, productive. You didn't say this, but like a slob or, you know.
00:50:55:08 - 00:50:57:08
Lucy
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:50:57:10 - 00:51:04:23
Chris
Yeah, it's a curse word, but at least you it. You know, that's not a that's a mean word.
00:51:05:01 - 00:51:05:19
Lucy
Yeah for sure.
00:51:05:23 - 00:51:21:19
Chris
That's fighting words. I bet you lazy Lucy doesn't call herself Lazy Lucy. I reckon Lazy Lucy's got like a there's like a nice, less derogatory term. Do you know what I mean?
00:51:21:21 - 00:51:22:18
Lucy
Yeah.
00:51:22:20 - 00:51:23:07
Chris
What's.
00:51:23:07 - 00:51:23:23
Lucy
Yeah.
00:51:24:01 - 00:51:27:11
Chris
What's the other version like? What's something nicer, a more.
00:51:27:11 - 00:51:36:03
Lucy
Positive version of lazy. Lazy? Yeah. lucid lazy, I don't know. Does it have to start with out. Relaxed? Lazy?
00:51:36:05 - 00:51:38:16
Chris
Relaxed? Yeah.
00:51:38:18 - 00:51:39:20
Lucy
Peaceful. Lazy.
00:51:40:00 - 00:51:46:06
Chris
Oh, there we go. Peaceful.
00:51:46:08 - 00:52:10:03
Chris
Yeah. So you've got this spot happening, this conflict where peaceful. Lucy is being bombarded and attacked. By what would you call the other one? The achiever? so,
00:52:10:05 - 00:52:19:20
Lucy
00:52:19:22 - 00:52:25:17
Lucy
I don't know, to me, that's just Lucy, but.
00:52:25:19 - 00:52:30:17
Chris
The most. It's the most common part of you. It's the most. It sounds like it's the dominant part. Yeah.
00:52:30:19 - 00:52:33:01
Lucy
It is. It definitely is.
00:52:33:03 - 00:52:36:07
Chris
It's like the. It's like the masculine masculine.
00:52:36:07 - 00:52:41:01
Lucy
Crazy. Yeah.
00:52:41:03 - 00:53:00:11
Chris
So yeah. There you go. Like masculine. So you've got this, this masculine, the do that thrusts yourself into, into everything that you do, you know, go go go do do do push push push rigorous I guess this, structure of of inserting into anything fun.
00:53:00:12 - 00:53:01:15
Lucy
00:53:01:17 - 00:53:30:06
Chris
I that's a masculine. And then you got the feminine which is more about receiving and, and Throwing some masculine is, is bright and, and spark and energy. Feminine is more dark. Relax play masculine is up. Feminine is down.
00:53:30:08 - 00:53:32:03
Lucy
00:53:32:04 - 00:53:47:17
Chris
That sounds to me like the. There's a over masculine prioritisation and overvaluing going on. What do you reckon.
00:53:47:19 - 00:54:07:01
Lucy
Yeah I think that's pretty spot on for sure. Yeah.
00:54:07:03 - 00:54:11:21
Chris
What would.
00:54:11:22 - 00:54:33:06
Chris
If, if you could have a think about the same for the the doing person. What what are we going to call that that one. So you've got peaceful Lucy and you've got the, the doing going on masculine. Like what. What's the name for that one? Like a nice one. Not like a derogatory one.
00:54:33:08 - 00:54:48:05
Lucy
00:54:48:07 - 00:54:53:18
Lucy
I don't think I can think of a masculine.
00:54:53:20 - 00:54:55:23
Chris
These two are at a crossroads.
00:54:56:01 - 00:54:58:08
Lucy
00:55:00:22 - 00:55:06:21
Chris
you know what? They could. You could say they're giving each other, the secret for their money.
00:55:06:21 - 00:55:12:10
Lucy
00:55:12:12 - 00:55:16:14
Lucy
Yeah. Show? yeah. Right.
00:55:16:16 - 00:55:26:09
Chris
they're getting into the crap. Crap traps getting flung around by these two. Right.
00:55:26:11 - 00:55:42:08
Lucy
Really good visions. They're like. I picture things in my head. Quite, Yeah. Quite vividly. So that was a good work. Something nice. Yeah, it was shit. Show. Shit. Fuck.
00:55:42:10 - 00:55:55:08
Chris
Yeah. Yeah, that's what it's. Yeah, like that's what. That's why I said it was like, over in the Middle East. Like, you've got that going on in your bowel and in your heart right now. In your soul.
00:55:55:10 - 00:55:56:07
Lucy
Yeah.
00:55:56:08 - 00:56:08:06
Chris
You got this absolute mess where they. You've got these two beautiful parts of you.
00:56:08:07 - 00:56:20:05
Chris
Two beautiful parts that have the absolute just. They just want the best for you.
00:56:20:06 - 00:56:27:12
Chris
So what's what's a nice name for that? Do the do one.
00:56:27:14 - 00:56:39:21
Lucy
00:56:39:23 - 00:56:45:20
Lucy
I mean, like, is productive. Is that nice? I feel like that's not a bad thing.
00:56:45:22 - 00:56:47:01
Chris
But,
00:56:47:03 - 00:56:51:06
Lucy
Selectively. See? Okay, so you see.
00:56:51:08 - 00:57:00:11
Chris
Like, you got the. Is it. It's not alliteration, but you get, like, the pl, like, that's that's cool. That's kind of cool.
00:57:00:12 - 00:57:01:07
Lucy
Okay.
00:57:01:09 - 00:57:34:12
Chris
So peaceful. Peaceful and productive. You know, like real, if you if you have a think about productive Lucy. What's productive. Lucy's banging ambition bang goal. Like if productive Lucy had like a wake up in the morning and opened up her affirmations list and said today's intention is to. All I want to do is like, what would productive Lucy say?
00:57:34:14 - 00:57:44:03
Lucy
The the best, all the things to my best capabilities.
00:57:44:05 - 00:58:02:23
Chris
Yeah. Cool. and what's the benefit of that? Like, if you do the best you can and you do all the things to the best of your capability, and you, you achieve, you have fun doing it. Like, what do you get out of that?
00:58:03:01 - 00:58:15:06
Lucy
I guess it's self-satisfaction. And that feeling of. Accomplishment.
00:58:15:08 - 00:58:44:11
Chris
Yeah. and if you have self-satisfaction, like, if you like, just imagine being satisfied and feeling accomplished, like, what's the benefit? What do you get out of that? What's the purpose of that?
00:58:44:13 - 00:58:50:17
Lucy
I guess to know that I'm not wasting my time.
00:58:50:19 - 00:58:56:11
Chris
Yeah, I'm. What do you get when you're not? Oh, is that a double negative? Yeah.
00:58:56:12 - 00:58:58:04
Lucy
No, when I'm not wasting time.
00:58:58:04 - 00:59:08:18
Chris
Yeah. What do you get out of that when you're. When you're feeling satisfied. When you're not not wasting your time. Right.
00:59:08:20 - 00:59:09:17
Lucy
Right. Yeah.
00:59:09:22 - 00:59:22:01
Chris
Yeah. When you're productive and you feeling accomplished, what do you get out of that?
00:59:22:03 - 00:59:24:02
Lucy
the sense of achievement.
00:59:24:04 - 00:59:29:03
Chris
Yeah.
00:59:29:05 - 00:59:31:09
Lucy
Yeah.
00:59:31:11 - 00:59:42:05
Chris
And why is achievement important? Like, what's the what's the purpose of that? Again?
00:59:42:07 - 00:59:56:12
Chris
Oh, that give you I should say like what's. That's a good question. When you have a sense of achievement, what will that give you? or allow you to have.
00:59:56:14 - 01:00:14:03
Lucy
This, sense of feeling of being capable and.
01:00:14:04 - 01:00:17:10
Lucy
Yeah. Probably just that. Yeah.
01:00:17:12 - 01:00:18:12
Chris
Capable?
01:00:18:14 - 01:00:24:01
Lucy
Yeah.
01:00:24:03 - 01:00:28:08
Chris
Beautiful. And when you. When you're capable. Like, capable of what?
01:00:28:10 - 01:00:40:21
Lucy
Yes. Good question. Yeah. The same things are falling apart now. I don't know. I don't know.
01:00:40:23 - 01:00:44:00
Lucy
Nothing amazing, obviously, but.
01:00:44:02 - 01:00:52:20
Chris
Well that could that that's actually probably a really nice answer to that. Like, you know, like amazing like how nice would it be to be amazing?
01:00:52:22 - 01:00:55:23
Lucy
You.
01:00:56:01 - 01:01:10:16
Chris
That's awesome. okay. Is there anything better than that? Like, if you want to.
01:01:10:18 - 01:01:21:14
Lucy
I mean, I think being able to be peaceful would be pretty close to that. That that's the roadblock.
01:01:21:16 - 01:01:26:16
Lucy
yeah. Like, it would be an equally good feeling. I imagine.
01:01:26:18 - 01:01:44:07
Chris
Yeah. Like what's at the end of the road, like when you do all the things, like, what's the purpose of doing the things? What's the purpose of being a being capable of doing all the things? You know what I mean? Like like what's at the end of that? That rainbow at the end of that road, obviously.
01:01:44:09 - 01:01:53:03
Lucy
E.g. exhaustion and an upset stomach. I think that's proof.
01:01:53:05 - 01:02:13:15
Chris
Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. What if that was. But because you you only have been prioritising productive Lucy. And there's this battle going on and there's no like happy, happy ground, you know.
01:02:13:17 - 01:02:16:03
Lucy
Yeah, yeah.
01:02:16:05 - 01:02:37:01
Chris
So that's what what that's where the exhaustion and the the squats and all this stuff. Light comes on. bloating, distension. It's like something inside of you is trying to get out. And then when it does come out, it's just like I this.
01:02:37:03 - 01:02:41:01
Lucy
Yeah. It's.
01:02:41:03 - 01:02:43:11
Chris
Like control there's no consistency.
01:02:43:11 - 01:02:51:22
Lucy
Exactly what it's like. Exactly. It comes out with force. yeah.
01:02:51:23 - 01:03:08:21
Chris
Right. Okay. So at the end of the road like if you weren't getting exhausted. So this might feel like it's pulling teeth out and it's just like plucking, plucking the one of these things. Cool.
01:03:08:23 - 01:03:11:16
Lucy
eyebrows, eyelashes, eyelashes.
01:03:11:17 - 01:03:13:14
Chris
Eyelid hairs. How's about to.
01:03:13:16 - 01:03:17:21
Lucy
Maybe that's what they are for.
01:03:17:23 - 01:03:22:00
Chris
Like kids would call them.
01:03:22:02 - 01:03:22:17
Lucy
True.
01:03:22:19 - 01:03:44:21
Chris
Yeah. Eyelid hairs. You know what? Okay, so so you're walking down this road, you're achieving, you're like, let's just say you didn't want to get exhausted. Like, what would you want? You know, like, what's the why are you on this path to to. Like, where is this heading?
01:03:45:03 - 01:03:53:02
Lucy
Like, how does this.
01:03:53:04 - 01:04:06:02
Lucy
That's the kind of. I don't know. Yeah. Just literally picture an endless road when you said that. So.
01:04:06:04 - 01:04:09:05
Lucy
Yeah.
01:04:09:07 - 01:04:21:10
Chris
How does that make you feel like, As you see, as you come to earth to be born, you will do to the death.
01:04:21:12 - 01:04:23:17
Lucy
Yeah. That's essentially.
01:04:23:19 - 01:04:27:19
Chris
What. And what? When can I stop?
01:04:27:21 - 01:04:30:06
Lucy
Oh, yeah.
01:04:30:08 - 01:04:39:18
Chris
what about when I finish? It will be death and.
01:04:39:19 - 01:04:45:08
Chris
fantastic. Okay.
01:04:45:10 - 01:05:06:20
Chris
I don't I. I might be silly, but maybe that might be something worth investigating. It's like, why am I doing this? Like, what's the purpose here? What's the point? Definitely like, what's my what game am I playing? What why why am I playing this game? Why? What's my intention here.
01:05:06:22 - 01:05:07:08
Lucy
Yeah.
01:05:07:13 - 01:05:39:17
Chris
Oh like okay. Massage therapy. But you're not going to go to hell and burn. for being to doing that, you know, going to same thing when it comes to say, hiking and gym and exercise and all this sort of stuff and going out and doing the things like, you know, an evil, nasty, terrible, bad. Wench. I.
01:05:39:19 - 01:05:44:02
Chris
And it's not a problem until it is.
01:05:44:04 - 01:05:45:17
Lucy
Yeah.
01:05:45:19 - 01:06:02:18
Chris
So I, I work might be if I get clear on a game plan. Like what? Why am I doing. What is my intention? What do I want? Like, what's what's my game? You know, if you play, if we played a game of basketball together, does it.
01:06:02:20 - 01:06:06:07
Lucy
And yeah, I win.
01:06:06:07 - 01:06:12:20
Chris
Obviously I obviously.
01:06:12:22 - 01:06:36:22
Chris
You know. But then I also think so part two of the of the, the homework would be you've got this beautiful part of you, this peaceful part of you that that's just being dominated and told to shut up and have no say just gets absolutely blasted by the the productive Lucy.
01:06:37:00 - 01:06:38:07
Lucy
Yeah.
01:06:38:09 - 01:06:52:17
Chris
And productive. Lucy calls her names like in the schoolyard. Like or peaceful. Lucy's like being accused of lazy. Lazy. You're just a lazy slob.
01:06:52:19 - 01:07:01:12
Chris
Unproductive. Non achieving. and, and,
01:07:01:14 - 01:07:05:22
Chris
So there's a beautiful. There's a beautiful point to peaceful Lucy.
01:07:06:00 - 01:07:07:12
Lucy
Yeah.
01:07:07:13 - 01:07:41:04
Chris
She wishes, you know, if they were to come to the peace talks and they would have a conversation together. Right. And that would just to just to work something out between the two of them. Some peaceful. Lucy would want something from productive Lucy. To like productive Lucy has some strengths that peaceful Lucy maybe doesn't have right now. And productive Lucy could bring those things to the, you know, to the whole and the other way around as well.
01:07:41:04 - 01:07:57:08
Chris
Peaceful. Lucy has some some real beautiful aspects that productive. Lucy's just not showing at the moment. Yeah, but they can come together. Masculine, feminine.
01:07:57:10 - 01:08:05:05
Chris
Make something beautiful. create life rather than turn it to audience.
01:08:05:05 - 01:08:06:05
Lucy
Don't tell it.
01:08:06:07 - 01:08:09:06
Chris
Yeah, right.
01:08:09:08 - 01:08:16:18
Lucy
Yeah. Point taken.
01:08:16:20 - 01:08:22:23
Chris
Oh, insight. What? What are you. What are your thoughts after having a chat?
01:08:23:01 - 01:08:54:22
Lucy
I mean, I think you definitely hit the nail on the head. And I think, you know, it's things that I sort of know but ignore. And it just takes, talking it out and looking at, I guess, the sort of nuances or finer details of it that I might be brushing over to sort of. Yeah, really like bring it all to life.
01:08:55:00 - 01:09:15:14
Lucy
Yeah, yeah. But I do feel like there's that internal constant battle that's. Yeah, that's a feeling that I'm well aware of where peaceful Lucy and productive Lucy is. It's nice to give them names.
01:09:15:16 - 01:09:18:22
Lucy
Yeah. Battling it out.
01:09:18:22 - 01:09:23:21
Chris
So battling it out on that.
01:09:23:23 - 01:09:32:15
Lucy
Yeah. So on that balance and. Let them coexist.
01:09:32:17 - 01:09:34:14
Lucy
Evenly.
01:09:34:16 - 01:09:50:02
Chris
But yeah. And and maybe maybe just on that. But maybe evenly might not necessarily be the right way to do it. You know, like if you, if you want to get some stuff done.
01:09:50:04 - 01:09:50:23
Lucy
Yeah.
01:09:51:01 - 01:10:04:02
Chris
It's like I'm going to channel Peaceful Lucy right now. And as we sit on the couch and put our feet up and, turn on Netflix or whatever, we will imagine ourselves being productive.
01:10:04:04 - 01:10:05:01
Lucy
Yeah.
01:10:05:03 - 01:10:17:13
Chris
I think, I mean, nothing gets done. and productive. Lucy calls your calls you a, a lazy.
01:10:17:15 - 01:10:33:18
Chris
Unproductive so-and-so. So. So my point is, like, there's going to be times where productive Lucy is like, hands down the more resourceful part to activate and call into into action.
01:10:33:20 - 01:10:34:20
Lucy
Yeah.
01:10:34:21 - 01:10:49:18
Chris
But then according to your intention and your. Yeah, your goals, like there might be a siren or end of game. It's like, all right, it's now time for peaceful Lucy.
01:10:49:20 - 01:10:51:16
Lucy
Yeah. For sure. Yeah.
01:10:51:20 - 01:10:53:02
Chris
To jump in.
01:10:53:04 - 01:10:56:04
Lucy
Yeah.
01:10:56:06 - 01:11:09:19
Chris
Cool. All right. Well I've enjoyed if enjoyed chatting I've got some. I got some notes on my computer. After we chat, I'll show you some things. thanks for coming on.
01:11:10:00 - 01:11:11:20
Lucy
Thanks so much for having me.
01:11:11:22 - 01:11:17:15
Chris
No worries. Thanks for vulnerability, honesty. a low was awesome.
01:11:17:17 - 01:11:21:18
Lucy
Thank you.
01:11:21:20 - 01:11:31:22
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