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Chris
Hello and welcome to the Ending Body Burnout Show. We are your host, Chris and Filly co-founders of a multi award winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, busyness, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic, root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body. Get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Filly
Hello everybody! I'm so excited for this podcast episode today with one of our gorgeous, amazing and really inspirational clients. Emily, I know that I don't just think that, Chris and I have had lots of conversations about this amazing woman. It's like, oh my gosh, she is just phenomenal in the way that she wholeheartedly, throws herself into the healing process.
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Filly
Also part of our ending body burnout method. We have great coaching calls, and I know that a lot of a lot of clients gain so much value with the insights that Emily shares, and also like the result she is just getting. I would probably say every day. So thank you so much for coming on the podcast today.
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Emily
We are so excited to have you. Thank you for having me today. I'm very, very happy to be here and very grateful that I get to share my story because I know that so many other people's stories, what have helped me so much on my journey? and yeah, I'm just grateful that I'm in a position to give back and to let people know that they need to just hold on, to hope that you can heal.
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Filly
Yes, that's actually one of the main reasons why we, ask clients to come on to share their stories. Because you hear me say it all the time in the program. But evidence collecting is so important because sometimes, you know, especially if you start at the start of your health journey or maybe you're very well into it. It's like, oh, I feel like it's stuck.
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Filly
I feel like I'm broke and I feel like things aren't changing. It's really important to be able to find evidence that people want to get stuck, but also that you can heal. And it's totally possible. Everyone has it within them to be able to heal themselves.
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Emily
Yes, our bodies are amazing. Yeah.
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Filly
So amazing. Okay, so you already had been on quite the healing journey before you started working with us. Can you take us back to the start?
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Emily
Yeah.
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Filly
Yeah. So when your body started showing signs of symptoms, what that looked like, what life looked like, and then also what you you had been trying so far.
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Emily
Yeah. So, so I guess, what really led me to working with, with you guys was, in 2022, I had my second Covid infection. so I'd already had Covid once before, and before I had Covid, I had, you know, actually vaccinated, very healthy. You know, I'm in my early 30s, been working out with a personal trainer for years.
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Emily
myself have also studied, I've done three years of clinical nutrition. to, you know, I'm very much in the health space, eat whole food diets, all of them. Meditation, everything. So very healthy. but, yeah, I got the second Covid infection. and I rested and did all the things. but then I just, just wasn't right.
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Emily
Just wasn't getting better. I had this really, really bad fatigue, where I'd get maybe 2 or 3 hours, four hours into my day, and it just my body just felt so heavy I couldn't hold my head up. I felt just so sick. I could get to the office, I'd get to work, and I just just didn't feel well and try to push through.
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Emily
and, yeah, I just got to a point where I just like, physically, like, if I didn't leave and get home, I would have had to lie down on the floor and someone would have had to carry me into, like, a taxi. And they carry me out of a taxi upstairs to get home, because that's how bad the fatigue was.
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Emily
and with the fatigue or also, these crazy headaches, just like these in the most, the worst headache, it's more like a migraine, that I've ever experienced in my life. so that was happening after this Covid infection. Then I was like, oh my goodness, you know, something's not right. It's fine. My body will work it out.
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Emily
so I just kind of carried on, worked from home a bit because I couldn't go into the office and work. and. Yeah, then I did this for two weeks, and and it wasn't getting any better, and I was just sleeping like I was sleeping at midday and just sleeping for hours. Like I just went to bed and could.
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Emily
Five hours could go by and I'd wake up for dinner. and. Yeah, so I went to see a doctor. and I said, okay, well, sounds like you've got post-Covid, like fatigue. and you need to rest. So we recommend that you, you know, work from home if you can have some dinner. and we'll do some blood tests.
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Emily
We'll do some sometimes these viral infections you said can cause, like, autoimmune responses in the body. So anyway, my blood tests all came back normal, as they do. that's led to normal. Yeah, that takes the normal. And he said, he said, you know, just just rest. and he also said to me, he said, you know, fatigue like this is normally caused, by some sort of mental, situation.
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Emily
And I was like, oh, okay, that's interesting. But, you know, that's not the situation. Well, I just, I just he kind of brushed it off and was like, you'll be fine.
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Filly
Do you mean like he was suggesting that he had depression or something? Yes.
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Emily
Yes, yes. Yeah. Exactly.
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Filly
Yeah. Yeah. Like I say psychologist or depressant. Yeah.
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Emily
Exactly. And I was like, no, no, I was so good before this, you know. yeah. And then, it just got worse. It just got worse and worse and worse. and I guess this was me not listening to my body. I just assumed, like any other cold or flu, I would eventually feel better and things would come right.
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Emily
but it didn't. It just got worse and worse. and talk about breaking rapport with myself. I literally would like, get to halfway through the day and be like, no, what the hell? Like, absolutely not everyone else in the office, because we all kind of got someone got Covid, and then a whole group of us all got Covid at the same time in the office.
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Emily
Everyone else is back to work and find one girl, you know, she's got a cough and whatever, but like, she's fine. and.
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Filly
I should be fine too. I should, yeah, to do.
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Emily
Just so I was like, okay, it's fine. I'm just going to have a near a and a cup of tea and like that'll sort out the pain. The caffeine in the sugar in the tea will give me a little bit of, you know, a little bit of pick up and I can't get through the rest of the day.
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Emily
So I remember the day I like, pushed. I would stay in the lunch room having my lunch feeling like absolutely. and I just after I've eaten, I was just like, all right. I said to my managers, I have to go home. I was like, I am not well anyway. So then eventually went to see the next doctor, a different doctor, my normal private doctor that I used to see, and she said, look, it sounds like you've got long Covid and I didn't know what that was.
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Emily
I kind of heard about it in the news. but I was like, no way. It was like, I can't have that.
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Filly
I'm healthy.
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Emily
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And yeah, I just kept trying to work and balance that with resting, but I just got worse and worse and worse. and. Yeah. And then they said they can only diagnose you with long Covid if you've had the symptoms for 12 weeks or longer. and then they can refer you to they have these long Covid clinics and the hospitals that are set up.
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Emily
and they didn't really know much about it. So yeah. So that was kind of a process. I do all of these blood tests to test like the do chest x rays and see a cardiologist had to go to respiratory specialists, get my lungs tested. they do all of these blood tests. I think one of the one they take, like you're saying, can they check, for Epstein-Barr?
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Emily
I think they test for that as well. yeah. They just basically want to make sure there's nothing else going on. They do some more autoimmune tests as well for antibodies, thyroid, everything. But everything came back normal. So on a blood test everything was fine. But he has me unable to get out of bed, unable to shower, unable to make myself food like, yeah, so something.
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Emily
But all the tests. The normal but before the long Covid happened just to I guess share a little bit of a can.
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Filly
Can I just ask a real quick question? So then so we went to this long haul Covid clinic. All the tests the normal. So then were they like just rest. Did they have any solution for you. besides just it's just sounds like the clinic was like, let's rule out anything else. Oh, you don't have it. Okay? You don't have anything else.
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Filly
That's long haul Covid. So good luck.
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Emily
Though. So what happened was in order for me to get referred to the long Covid clinic, my doctor, my GP had to do all these tastes like they required all of these tests to be submitted along with the referral. So and then when I got my. So that was the beginning of 2023. In gym. And my long-covid appointment at the clinic was only going to be in April 2020.
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Emily
Full.
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Filly
Oh wow.
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Emily
Yeah, okay. Over a year, because along the waiting list was because there was so many people with long Covid. so the GP's were kind of just like, we've done our blood test, we're referring you on to the next. Like we're basically just like kicking the can down the road, like, and we'll write your referral to go to the cardiologist because I couldn't I couldn't be upright basically.
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Emily
So it's like postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome where you like, if you all upright your heart just like you can. It was getting these palpitations. Every time I stood up, I was dizzy, like my blood pressure was all over the place. Yeah. so yeah. So they referred me. They've done all the blood tests, but everything looks normal to them.
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Emily
And we have referred you. You're going to have to wait more than a year for your appointment. Gotcha. And then you need to go to a respiratory specialist and a cardiologist, both of who I had to wait six months, to before I could get him to have these appointments. so yeah, so I was basically just, I had to they had to book me off work.
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Emily
I had to stop working. and I basically was just in bed, for months where I could only be out of bed, like I was in bed basically 16 hours a day. other than getting up to, like, eat and go back to bed and even eating, like, you don't realise how much energy it takes to digest food because you're just not hungry either, like, it affects everything.
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Emily
but before. Yeah. So there was nothing that they could do basically. Yeah. and I wasn't in a position to help myself in any other way with like, I tried to research online and try to look for stories and try to understand what I could do. I went to I did three months of acupuncture. I was so desperate.
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Emily
Like, I'm not a fan of needles. And I did three months of acupuncture weekly to try and help and took, you know, herbs. I saw clinical nutritionist, one of my lecturers, and she prescribed a whole lot of things to support my immune system and my body. I saw a natural path, and for months and months and months was taking all sorts of supplements, mineral supplements, magnesium supplements and vitamin activated BS, and all of the herbal tinctures that were made, you know, to support my body.
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Emily
and that helped a little bit. Like, I think they kind of helped me feel a little bit better, but nothing like nothing was really working. Yeah. and then a friend of mine, gave me this book called The Gupta Program. and I had never heard of heard of this before. but she had had issues with IBS, and had done this Gupta program.
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Emily
So I went through this book. it literally would take me an entire week to read one page of this book, because with the long Covid symptoms, I just didn't have the energy. Reading was so hard, like I couldn't read or watch tea, I couldn't do anything, I couldn't have a conversation. I basically was just like noise cancelling headphones and lying down.
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Emily
No stimulation, just it was yeah, it it's not something that I would wish on my worst enemy. but yeah. So I read the I started slowly making my way through the scope to program. and it was this guy who basically had post-viral fatigue, which they call chronic fatigue syndrome. and he shared his story and he shared basically how patterns of things like perfectionism and people pleasing people who end up with post-viral syndromes like this tend to have a certain personality type.
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Emily
And that was quite confronting for me. because you don't want to feel like it's your fault. and it's not your fault. I think you have to understand that it's not your fault, but. Yeah, so I did this Gupta program that is supposed to supposedly supposed to help you retrain the brain and the neural pathways in your brain.
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Emily
and. Yeah, so I did that, but it was unassisted. It was like me reading this book and doing that. Yeah. And resting and everything else. So slowly things started to improve over the months. and then I, then I had heard I had watched a recovery story on YouTube. so there's a lady called Raelyn Eagle, and she had chronic fatigue.
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Emily
She dealt with it for ten years. And then she said that when she she promised the universe that when she got out of this, she would share her story with the world. And she's done a lot of interviews, and there's so many interviews of people who've recovered from long Covid now, whose stories are identical to mine. and one of them had said someone had commented and said, the sounds like the lightning process.
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Emily
She use this thing called the lightning process. All right, let's Google. What what is that about? Yeah. found the lightning process, found a practitioner in Australia who had basically she had suffered from post-viral fatigue herself. Had they've come across a lightning process. It helped her get her life back. And then she became the practitioner of the lightning process.
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Emily
So I did this lightning process and that was good. Things started to shift, right. She explained how the neural pathways happen in the brain and everything else. again, talks around perfectionism, people pleasing, all of that sort of thing, how it links to feelings of anxiety and depression and how that affects your health. And, all of these perceived threats that you have that your system is always on, and they kind of teach you the specific movements.
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Emily
You have to do specific things. You have to say, and you've got to every time these symptoms come up or every time you find yourself in the pit, which is what they call it, you've got to do this little routine, to try and, you know, instead of your body feeling pain and feeling tired, you have to, you know, get yourself change of state in your body.
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Emily
But again, that was very like it didn't go into why it didn't go into the root cause. It was just another kind of like, a bandaid fix for it. and it did work because, you know, when you do it that many times, it's like Pavlov's dog. So like, yeah, if he hears the bell, then the dog will salivate even if the food isn't there.
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Emily
So it's the same thing as you train your body to win. That symptom arises. You shift your body state so that naturally, over many, many, many days of repetitions of yes, when your body does feel this symptoms, you'll start to feel more relaxed or whatever state you've kind of you've done. So it did. It gave me it helped a lot.
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Emily
another thing that helped as well is the long Covid clinic suggested that I have an iron infusion, even though my iron levels were normal. I don't know if no one can see me on the podcast, but I'm.
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Filly
Doing quotation.
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Emily
Quotation marks on my fingers. they were normal. but they wanted my ferritin level to be at least 100, and that was only like 20. Yeah. so I had an iron infusion. I had a, I had bad side effects to it though. and then I did another iron infusion a few months ago, and it really it did.
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Emily
It gave me a big boost. Like I did feel better, but it's still, you know, it's still not normal. so I started working with Chris and Lee. and I think we did the testing in December 2023 and then started in Jan. so I'm only three months into the six months. Yeah. Yeah, but yes, that's that's how I found Chris in Filly.
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Emily
but before I got done Covid, I had had a series, you know, in my life of, you know, hitting a wall, hitting a wall, hitting a wall, like, just burning myself out, constantly pushing, pushing, pushing back. My whole life, it's just been pushing, pushing, pushing. And until I worked with Chris in Filly, I didn't understand why I was pushing back what was driving that behaviour.
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Emily
it's not just your personality type. It's like, where does that come from? so this isn't something, I've had I've had other health issues where I've had like acne, I've had recurrent UTIs, I've had Sibo, I've had digestive things or things where I'm not feeling well or iron deficiency that just won't budge, no matter what type of Lyme supplement I took.
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Emily
so I've worked with nutritionists and many naturopaths. you know, and homeopaths and stuff over the years. but yeah, never really getting to the root cause really just kind of solving the symptoms in a natural way, but not understanding why the symptoms were there in the first place.
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Filly
Yeah. So, because you found us through an email, I did a little interview with the Australian Traditional Medicine Society, and I can't remember the exact words, but you felt like there was a bit of divine intervention.
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Emily
Yes. I swear, like, honestly, things have just come into my life, but the perfect time because I had I had that email when I wasn't in the right space to receive it. It just wouldn't have landed. But honestly, fate like us, who opens all the emails, especially when you have fatigue. Yeah, and you're not doing any of that.
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Emily
I had opened this email and had watched this video that Finley had done about the practice and and what she does, and I just I then watched like a three day. You guys did like a three day webinar thing where you went into all of the body systems and everything, and I was just like, these people have something that I have never come across in any of these things that I have done, and I have done everything.
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Emily
It's very much. And I was like, yeah, I need to speak to these guys.
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Filly
So that's okay.
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Emily
Also.
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Filly
Sorry, love it. There's they many other clients too, where it's just like I never open that person's emails. It's usually through someone else's podcast. I never open ended emails, but for some reason I did. And then I found you. So. So in our ending body burnout method, there's we work on the physical side of healing, but also the metaphysical side of healing to really get to like the deeper root cause.
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Filly
But we always start generally first with looking into the body systems that you just mentioned. So actually running some labs, looking at gut health detox pathways, draining neurotransmitters. Are you happy to share some of your findings when you did your lab test? Because usually people are really excited. It's like Christmas Day. Finally, I can see what's happening inside my body.
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Emily
Yeah for sure. so I did the organic acid test. and I also did the save our breath test. and because I had had Sibo in the past as well, the see, our test came back as positive, like the levels were actually really high.
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Filly
which surprised you too. Hey. Because you.
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Emily
Surprised me. I have a lot of treats. And I had done a lot of symptoms for see, my before, all of the low Fodmap diet and antimicrobials and diet phase and everything. and, yeah, it was back even though I didn't have any of the symptoms. well, not any of the obviously uncomfortable symptoms like the bloating and the not being able to eat certain things because I can pretty, you know, eat all of the garlic and onion and I'm fine.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah.
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Emily
but yeah. And then the organic acid test showed that, my B vitamins were low. and also showed that I had low levels of serotonin. oh, we also did the adrenal test. The saliva test? I think the question that I remember asking for was, I need to do tests to figure out, like, I feel like I'm getting better, like I'm slowly starting to get my energy back.
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Emily
and I just want to, like, I don't want to push myself, when I'm still running on an empty tank. so what's have, you know, what's happening with my adrenals? and it showed, I think, that were mostly in, like, a look cream juice, like. Yeah, it was spiking in the morning on the high side. Yes.
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Emily
Yeah. but it wasn't like, you know, they were still working. It's not like they were completely flat.
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Filly
Your results showed what I would call stage one adrenal fatigue.
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Emily
Yeah.
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Filly
Which didn't like really specific natural level of fatigue. but it was showing that you went so for the listeners, if it was stage three adrenal fatigue, which is where like, oh my gosh, cortisol, DHEA flatlining, that often can really directly linked to chronic fatigue. Like real TV fatigue. when it's in the earlier stages, it can still impact your energy, but it's more around your body struggling to regulate its own ability to, come down from stress, which puts you in a really fight flight response, which is exhausting at the bottom.
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Emily
Yeah, yeah. and I think the well, the other tests showed,
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Emily
They were serotonin. They were b vitamin mitochondria. Yeah. The mitochondrial retraction. Yeah. Yeah.
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Filly
Which is really common post a viral infection. Not for everyone. That's why actually running some tests to see what body systems have been affected by this infection and stuff that's happened in the past. Yeah. but yeah, that the little organelles that are converting food into energy. And so if they become damaged, she could be eating the best diet.
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Filly
I see Trisha's calorie dense diet, but you're not able to convert that into energy if there is little mitochondria stores depleted.
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Emily
Yeah.
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Filly
Why?
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Emily
You see, Bo?
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Filly
Oh, yeah.
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Emily
Like that's gonna you're not gonna absorb any of those nutrients because they've damaged your and taste and smell and taste and where you do absorb that and then they need something to live off. Right. So they're taking all your iron. Yeah. Yeah.
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Filly
And I'm just looking at your results now actually detox pathways weren't doing so well either, which is really common host of viral infection because there's certain antioxidant oxidants likely to thiamine and acidosis, which are amazing for killing off getting rid of pathogens from the body. Now you might have an infection and they stools get built burnt out really quickly, which then causes detox satellites to break down.
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Filly
or it might have been, issue even before the pathogen. And then it's like, yeah, we don't have anything to, like, fight this off. So let's just allow it to damage ourselves because not allow it. But we don't have the power to fight back and bounce back in a healthy way.
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Emily
Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the tasting was really good just to understand what was what was happening. Yeah. and yeah, always taste. Don't guess. Like you don't want to be taking antimicrobial oils or any of that. Kind of like if anyone has done a Sibo diet before, you don't want to have to do that unless you have to do it like so.
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Emily
Literally it needed. so yeah. So that was good. good to kind of get an understanding of what was happening and what I needed to do so we could, I could take supplements, not really nearly, but was prescribed supplements that was specific to what I needed.
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Filly
Yes, yes. And when results come back, there's this I'm going to break in myth. But a lot of people think that when they diagnosed Sibo or leaky gut or detox issues or heavy metal, that's that they're practising or they're receiving root cold medicine.
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Emily
No,
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Filly
Which, unfortunately, wouldn't that be easy if it's just like, just take this supplement and diet, you're going to be magically better.
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Emily
So. And it might help for a little while. Yeah. Like that band aid might hold for a while, but then it's going to fall off at some point.
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Filly
Yeah. Yeah. So you know, in our ending body burnout method, like the tests and supporting those body systems, super important. but it's not where healing stops are. It's not where we get real, long lasting healing. Sorry. That's where we're getting deeper, deeper, deeper into not even just what you're eating or how you're moving your body. Like all the lifestyle stuff, but really deep into what's happening in your unconscious mind and your nervous system that is driving thoughts, patterns, behavioural patterns.
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Filly
And I liken it to the little tiger inside of you. that if there's something dysfunctional happening below the surface that you're not even aware of in your unconscious, it's like this, this chronic stress, it that does not sleep. It's there 24 seven. and the tiger's essentially unconscious core beliefs, dysfunctional ones that you have about yourself.
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Emily
00:29:10:02 - 00:29:30:10
Filly
So that process that we where we do the metaphysical psychic healing for listeners is called spark. I happy to share some of this because I feel like this is where the real magic started happening for you. Like the real the real connect thing with self and essentially like where healing happens.
00:29:30:13 - 00:29:59:18
Emily
Yeah, exactly. Because I believe and I we haven't even only we're three months in now and I'm in a place after doing spark. I am in you have to you have to heal what that root what the root cause is that's driving all of these symptoms or driving behaviours, that is driving the symptoms that you've experienced because there's no point in treating like we haven't done the CBI protocol yet.
00:29:59:18 - 00:30:12:17
Emily
We haven't done any of that yet. Like we're getting there. but that is fixing that is not going to fix the problem. Yes. so yes. Yeah, yeah. So you let's talk about spark. Yeah.
00:30:12:20 - 00:30:35:03
Filly
I actually really like how you chose to do that. So we started off with a little bit of brain support, which, some of the supplements you didn't do so well. Wait, so you've been doing very minimal physical healing and getting yourself to the point where, you know, when we when you choose to start doing steviol again because you've done it in the past and it was a bit traumatic.
00:30:35:07 - 00:30:55:02
Filly
It won't fade this time because you are in so much better headspace and capacity. You should be able to do that, but you chose to go more slow and steady and really like dive into the deepest root, which I think is beautiful. And it will mean that when we get to those body system stuff, your body will just uptake anything that we put into your system like, yep, we can heal now.
00:30:55:02 - 00:30:57:08
Filly
You're now able to heal.
00:30:57:10 - 00:30:59:04
Emily
Exactly.
00:30:59:06 - 00:31:30:05
Filly
Okay, so let's just dive in. Deepest root cause the lay what was what was the process for you to be able to start unpacking and looking data below the surface, especially in context to you who had done a lot of brain rewiring, which we also do in the program. But before you even get to that, because it can be a management or Band-Aid tool, we really want to get to like the crux of what's actually called in your body to scream at you in the first place.
00:31:30:07 - 00:31:59:12
Emily
Yeah. So and that was a, that was a thing that is different to anything else that I've done. Like think of to program and living process kind of shone a light on the fact that, you know, being perfectionistic about things or wanting to be a good person, wanting to please other people, you know, is something that is exhausting to kind of be in that state all the time.
00:31:59:12 - 00:32:29:22
Emily
But where did those behaviours come from? And that is what Kristen Finley help. That's what the spark process is. Basically. It's a step by step process. It's so self explanatory. It's all in this really helpful online. It's like an online course thing with an app on your phone as well, where you can just watch the videos and do the the journaling work and the mental exercises and listen to the meditations and hypnosis things.
00:32:29:22 - 00:32:54:05
Emily
And you just kind of work your way systematically through it with the guidance of doing the weekly group calls as well. The coaching calls. yeah. So, through the process of discovering what the root cause was, it all goes back to a lot of the beliefs that you have about yourself are all formed before the age of seven.
00:32:54:09 - 00:33:25:02
Emily
So it's in in your childhood. And then once that belief is created, it plays out for the rest that, you know, for through everything. And once you once you understand what the root causes, you literally see that you have been interpreting your entire life to make it mean the thing that you have made it been about you. so for me, in my childhood, there was, I was, I don't know, probably around the age of six.
00:33:25:04 - 00:33:49:07
Emily
I remember, this was a, what do we call it? Is it a significant defining moment? Defining moment in your childhood? And they were a few of them. And when you find the right one, it took me a while. I was like, do I have to find the moment? Like, can I just, you know, and I would like no, trust me, your unconscious will reveal it to you when it is ready.
00:33:49:07 - 00:34:08:22
Emily
It is hiding it from you for a good reason. so, yeah, it was this. The memory that I have is I was sitting at the dinner table, and I was full. I didn't want to eat the rest of my food. my parents, I think if I remember, they were, they were fighting and they will arguing.
00:34:09:00 - 00:34:40:08
Emily
And that got me really upset. And then I didn't want to eat my food. and my mom just lost it, and she shouted at me and was like, you will finish everything that's on that plate. Like, you will sit here until you are finished, because I have slaved over that meal and I just in that moment, I just felt so, so much shame and just so much hurt and just so I it was in that moment that I was like, I'm not normal.
00:34:40:08 - 00:35:18:19
Emily
Like I am not like other people. There's something wrong with me that I am everyone. I'm obviously I'm less than other people. I'm not normal. There's something wrong with me because I can't finish my food. and after that, and when I went through this process. The way you will know that you have got to your records is because the emotions that I felt, it was like I was back there in that moment in time as a child feeling this shame.
00:35:18:21 - 00:35:45:15
Emily
I just was so emotional. I was just crying. I just, like, was sobbing so hard. My chest. I just it was like I was feeling all of the feelings that I never actually felt as a kid in that moment. and I had to let it out. I give you can't suppress those feelings. Like you've got to just let them pass through.
00:35:45:17 - 00:36:09:06
Emily
and then once you've identified what that root cause is and what that limiting belief is, there's then a process of, apologising to yourself. So you've, you know, you've labelled yourself as, say, you know, imagine if you had a imagine if you had imagined if you were a parent of a child and you said to that child, there's something wrong with you.
00:36:09:12 - 00:36:33:01
Emily
You're not normal. You're less than everyone else, that there's something not right with you. You relationship with that child would be broken. Like you would never say that to a child. You hopefully wouldn't say that to a friend either. Or like a husband or wife like you'd never say that to another person. But you've said it to yourself and that causes a lot of hurt with yourself.
00:36:33:01 - 00:36:58:20
Emily
Like you, you've broken that relationship with yourself. and in order to heal that, you need to go through the I don't know how many steps. I think there's four steps. There's a there's there's there's a, there's an apology that you need to give yourself, and even giving yourself that apology when you explain why you made us mean this about yourself.
00:36:58:22 - 00:37:26:01
Emily
and, and, you know, apologise and also promise to yourself how you're going to make sure in the future that this you're never going to agree, you know, you're never going to do this to yourself again. is a very well, for me. It was a very emotional process. Like when I was writing out the apology, I just cried and cried and cried and, like, for a couple of days, I kind of felt like I had run a marathon, felt hangover.
00:37:26:03 - 00:37:50:10
Emily
But you just need to go through that process and your body kind of needs to feel that. And then then you can heal from it. Yeah. But yeah, but that was getting in the way of my healing because, well, I can't my body can't heal. And I'm of course I'm going to be sick and unwell because I'm not normal.
00:37:50:12 - 00:38:14:15
Emily
I'm not like other people. I'm less than other people. So of course, everyone else in the office got better when they had Covid, but I didn't, you know, and it goes this honestly, any point in life where you feel like you have been triggered or something triggers you or irritates you or whatever, that is a sign for you to go hang on a second.
00:38:14:17 - 00:38:36:12
Emily
what is what am I making this mean about myself? Or how is this in some way evidence that's showing that I am not like other people? Yeah, or there's something wrong with me. And that is what was driving me needing to be a good kid. It was just like, be a good kid. Don't make your parents upset.
00:38:36:12 - 00:38:55:18
Emily
Like, because if you do make your parents upset, then that's proof that there's something wrong with you because you've done something wrong. So there's something wrong with you. Or if you don't get that promotion at work, it's proof that there's something wrong with you and you're less than other people. So you need to be more than other people.
00:38:55:20 - 00:39:08:11
Emily
You need to win those awards. What was the what that you wanted? What? Oh, my. Oh, you. Over and above. Yes. And you know what? I was so pissed off at this award because over the years I.
00:39:08:12 - 00:39:11:14
Filly
When you received it or when you realised that.
00:39:11:16 - 00:39:21:04
Emily
The award, when I received the award, I was like, fuck man, but I just sorry, I'd probably just drop the F-bomb.
00:39:21:05 - 00:39:23:05
Filly
Sorry, children listening in the comments.
00:39:23:05 - 00:39:46:04
Emily
Sorry. when I won the award, I was so upset with myself because I thought that I had done the work on myself. I had worked with coaches. I thought that I had done the work to no longer be like this person who pushed and went over and above for people. So when I won this award, I was like, I'm still doing it, I'm still doing it.
00:39:46:04 - 00:39:59:00
Emily
And I was really angry about the award. Like, I didn't even want to like, call this trophy. And my partner was like, maybe you should be proud of it and you should put it up and display it. And I didn't want to oh.
00:39:59:00 - 00:40:00:07
Filly
I didn't know that part of the story.
00:40:00:07 - 00:40:02:01
Emily
Yeah. So yeah.
00:40:02:04 - 00:40:02:10
Filly
What a.
00:40:02:11 - 00:40:32:13
Emily
Merit. Yeah. So, yeah, I just, I thought that I had put boundaries in place and so again, all of these management techniques. Right? I wasn't trusting myself. I was managing myself. Yeah. So eat really healthy, have boundaries at work. Don't go to work early. Don't work your lunch break. You know, say no to things. But like that is so stressful and so rigid and so like.
00:40:32:15 - 00:40:34:22
Emily
Yeah, well it's it's.
00:40:34:22 - 00:41:01:03
Filly
It's fighting against yourself as well. So, so into this deeper root cause like for you is the not normal less than insane and then reprogrammed it constantly. You're constantly hiding, running away from it like that's where the management comes into it, where it's just like, yeah, I'm going to force myself to do these things. But inside your nervous system, it's freaking out because it's actually not.
00:41:01:03 - 00:41:23:16
Filly
It's actually not safe to try. And I know not only to manage yourself, but it's not safe to put boundaries in boundaries in place. For example, when inside of you, there's this little girl stuck in the unconscious city of screaming, and you have to keep doing more and more and more and more. So even if you're outside, behavioural patterns might look a bit different than what it did.
00:41:23:16 - 00:41:35:03
Filly
I don't know, after doing some coaching or something, your whole system is it's like pushing that it's not safe, but an alert, alert, alert, which is essentially the whole time.
00:41:35:07 - 00:42:02:05
Emily
And that's never felt safe to be me. Like from the moment I work up to when I'd go to sleep, it just wouldn't feel like I wasn't aware of what it was. But I knew that by doing things so like waking up, you know, unpacking the dishwasher, you know, preparing a lunch for work, getting to the office, doing all of my work.
00:42:02:05 - 00:42:26:06
Emily
Like doing, doing, doing. I was addicted to doing because that's what soothed me. That made me feel better. Yeah, because whenever I did something, I was like, proof that I am. I'm enough. there's nothing wrong with me. In fact, look at how well I'm doing. I'm doing even better than anyone else. But you. You don't make that connection, like, until you've done the root cause work.
00:42:26:08 - 00:42:27:01
Filly
Yeah.
00:42:27:03 - 00:42:27:12
Emily
00:42:27:12 - 00:42:52:04
Filly
So cool. Thank you so much for sharing. And I like, oh, my gosh, it's like you're talking through I'm talking through your body right now in terms of we have very or had very similar, root causes issue, but definitely in the way that it showed up where it's like overachieving, keep doing perfectionism. Go, go, go. Oh, even when you're on a holiday, you can't relax.
00:42:52:05 - 00:42:52:23
Emily
Keep thinking.
00:42:52:23 - 00:42:56:16
Filly
About all the things you're going to create and do so you can prove that you're enough to the.
00:42:56:16 - 00:42:59:05
Emily
World. Yeah.
00:42:59:07 - 00:43:23:01
Filly
two two things to I wanted to pull out of what you just said. so the less than not normal if we go back to. Because you've done a lot of a lot of things, and sometimes people can lose hope when they've worked with lots of practitioners, they've taken a lot of supplements, maybe even done some brain rewiring or like, energetic work or something like that.
00:43:23:03 - 00:43:42:22
Filly
I mean, you said it, but I want to just reiterate that if there's an unconscious core belief stuck in your system and a deep root cause beliefs and literally in your cells because your unconscious mind is your body. So every cell in your body, that is what the deepest thing is. That is what you believe at the deepest part of you.
00:43:43:00 - 00:44:09:16
Filly
Then you could do all the lovely supplements and the diets and the meditations and the talking to yourself, like trying to change your thought patterns, but your unconscious mind will always win because it makes up 95% of you. So yeah, I think like that manifest in what you were talking about before. It's like, yeah, like I did feel a little bit better when I was doing the supplements.
00:44:09:18 - 00:44:30:14
Filly
And yeah, there were some improvements when I was doing the brain rewiring. It's very slowly, but you know, you kind of just can only get to here rather than breaking through because your unconscious state is always pulling you back. Yeah. To like, yeah, now we can't do that because we're less than we're different to other people. Oh yeah.
00:44:30:15 - 00:44:34:07
Filly
Listen to all those healing stories that you.
00:44:34:09 - 00:44:35:05
Emily
Get to.
00:44:35:07 - 00:44:40:09
Filly
Pretend that you can get there, that really we know that you can't.
00:44:40:11 - 00:45:07:21
Emily
Exactly. And that's the thing is, like, so when I first started doing the work, and, you know, all working through the spark process, I had figured out what my root cause was. I had done kind of the I just kind of set the foundation for the reprogramming work, which was like the next section in spark, which is, what's it called again?
00:45:07:23 - 00:45:08:22
Emily
The nervous system.
00:45:09:00 - 00:45:11:15
Filly
Nervous system? Yeah. 20. Like.
00:45:11:17 - 00:45:52:08
Emily
Yeah, yeah. So that's where you start to do the specific exercise you get. It's it's very hard. It's not something that you can explain. It's only something you can experience. so yeah. So you kind of start the process and at the beginning when I was kind of doing starting that rewire was the reprogramming of these beliefs. You know, obviously the belief then that I want to have for myself the story that I want that I have rewritten for myself is that I'm a wonderful, whole normal human, just like everyone else.
00:45:52:08 - 00:46:02:16
Emily
And there's nothing wrong with me. And when I say that now, every part of my body is just so happy and so soothed. I've got gas.
00:46:02:16 - 00:46:07:06
Filly
Lines. I'm feeling your energy right now. I've got patients, as you said, that.
00:46:07:08 - 00:46:36:02
Emily
Where it's when I first started doing the work, I felt quite frustrated because I would say those words and everything in my body was like, no, we don't believe this. Like, we do not believe this. It's the same way. Like, you know, if you've ever done mirror work or affirmations where you have to say like, I love and accept myself exactly as I am, but or you look at yourself in the mirror and you go, hello, you know, you beautiful being.
00:46:36:02 - 00:47:03:20
Emily
I hope you have a fantastic day. Like it just doesn't feel right. Like you can you can feel in your gut, in your shoulders, in your neck, in your your whole body just resists because it doesn't. It's like when someone gives you a compliment and they're like, oh, wow, you know, you're beautiful and you're glowing. And if you don't believe that you are, you kind of like are uncomfortable about the compliment that they've given you.
00:47:03:20 - 00:47:20:21
Emily
Whereas if someone were to compliment you on your cooking, what do you know you're really good at? Like you love your food and someone goes, you're a good cook. You'd be like, oh, thank you. Like, and you kind of a like, oh, of course I am. That's not that resistance. Yes. But yeah, you've just got to you've just got to trust the process.
00:47:20:21 - 00:47:54:10
Emily
And it takes it takes time. You've got to be patient. But I'm only three months in and I've gotten to the point of this rewiring where it just, I have start the rewiring is the reprogramming is working, and I am believing that. And the the way that I knew like, I woke up yesterday morning and I just I woke up feeling so, so calm and just so my whole body just felt really settled.
00:47:54:12 - 00:48:41:16
Emily
And I truly, truly felt like to my core, like in every fibre of my being, I just felt so, just so light and everything just felt easy. And I just, I because now I truly do know and believe that I, a wonderful, whole normal person. Yeah. And whereas before I would wake up in the morning feeling like on edge and rushed, like just and overwhelmed and just irritated by everything, like, oh my God, I have to shower and I'll have to, you know, do the hair and the makeup and the, what am I going to have for breakfast and everything just felt like, just it just felt so uneasy.
00:48:41:17 - 00:49:01:08
Emily
but once you do the work, you will get there, I promise. And for anyone who's still on this process with Chris in Filly who hasn't quite got there yet, just keep at it. Because yes, I've been doing it with Chris in Filly for a few months, and I've really leaned into it. But I've also been doing, you know, the soul searching before then as well.
00:49:01:09 - 00:49:27:23
Emily
So, but yeah, it's just it's amazing. Like that communication with your unconscious is everything, and everything is kind of just settled, like so many of my symptoms have gone away. My energy has been better than it's ever been. Like I used to not be able to make it through a day without needing to sleep in the middle of the day and take lots of rice.
00:49:28:01 - 00:49:51:00
Emily
Yeah. Whereas for the first time in the last two weeks, for the first time in like over a year and a half, I was able to I made it through a whole day, on a few days without having to lie down in the middle of the day. Sorry. And and I was going out like I went out and I walked around a whole art gallery like that.
00:49:51:00 - 00:50:19:23
Emily
Just, just wouldn't have been possible. Like it just. And drinking coffee. I can drink coffee and it's fine. My body doesn't get all jittery and all, you know, wired. And then I slept great. Slept great. That not even though I did coffee, like, I don't know, in the middle of the day, so. Yeah, just please, anyone else out there who has any kind of health issue, whether it's long Covid or something else, just don't give up.
00:50:20:04 - 00:50:23:16
Emily
Like, don't give up hope. So good.
00:50:23:18 - 00:50:25:20
Filly
I'm getting all teary and serious.
00:50:25:20 - 00:51:00:09
Emily
Stumpy, I personally can't do this work for you. They can show you how to do it just because they don't. This again, I think this is where a lot of people go wrong with the healing as they're like, I want this doctor to fix me. I want this supplement to fix me. I want this can the physiology session to fix me all this remedial massage or acupuncture or Chris and finally their coaches and their nutritionists, and they will fix me if that is your mindset, you're not going to get better because you are the only person who can fix yourself with the right guidance.
00:51:00:09 - 00:51:01:04
Emily
Obviously.
00:51:01:06 - 00:51:20:19
Filly
Yeah, yeah, that's what we talk about right at the very start. When you start working through this process as well. Is that no victims here? I mean, it's okay if you're showing up as a victim at the moment, but we're not going to rescue you. Yeah. sometimes I don't know. Chris definitely says sometimes I do too, to clients or new ones.
00:51:20:19 - 00:51:39:01
Filly
So maybe ones that are even, like, oh, I don't know if this is going to work for me. Prove to me that it's going to work. And like I am not taking responsibility for your healing. I am here to guide you. I am here to serve you wholeheartedly. But I am actually not the expert. Here you are. Yeah.
00:51:39:03 - 00:51:43:10
Filly
And so therefore, like, the responsibility is on you.
00:51:43:12 - 00:51:44:03
Emily
00:51:44:04 - 00:51:50:19
Filly
And I also don't need you to get great results for me to feel good about myself.
00:51:50:21 - 00:51:51:09
Emily
Yeah.
00:51:51:11 - 00:52:00:00
Filly
Which is what can sometimes happen, like in a practitioner doctor patient relationship where the practitioner is like, I need you to get great results.
00:52:00:00 - 00:52:03:23
Emily
So I can feel like I'm a good human being and like, I'm good at this.
00:52:04:01 - 00:52:11:21
Filly
And then it it like, it never works because it takes away that person's power. Son. That's awesome. So funny that you shared that.
00:52:11:22 - 00:52:33:02
Emily
You have all of the like. You might not know this yet, but when you do the work and you go through the process and you trust it, things just fall into place and the answers just come. Like, I had this crazy like dream. The one morning I remember, I emailed Chris essentially, like, this was just a couple of weeks ago and I was like, my uncle.
00:52:33:02 - 00:52:58:10
Emily
My subconscious has blessed me with a whole flurry of new insights. And it was it felt overwhelming. And I was, you know, I felt emotional, I was crying, but it was a good kind of cry. It was like a release and a realisation and the puzzle pieces just kind of coming together and being like, okay, so things just unfold.
00:52:58:12 - 00:53:11:02
Emily
Things just are revealed to you in the timing. That is right. Like you just have to trust yourself. The answers will come to you. You'll know what you need to do.
00:53:11:04 - 00:53:35:13
Filly
I'm thinking back, when we had a great coaching session on force, not flow. Oh, sorry. Flow. Not Phil. So flow and so many people. That was. It's been very of the like the new intake of clients. doors opened last time and so many clients like what, what even is flow. I can't even, like, wrap my head around how you can feel like you're in flow.
00:53:35:13 - 00:53:38:04
Emily
And I was that there.
00:53:38:05 - 00:53:57:00
Filly
Were quite a few other people today, and now you're like, oh, I know what flow is now. But it's just like for someone who has who has been living in perfectionism or even doing overwhelmed patterns for so long, it is just this foreign. It doesn't even feel like it's possible. But it is.
00:53:57:02 - 00:54:23:22
Emily
Exactly. Yeah. And for the longest time, like I remember doing that section and being on the group call and searching about, you know, being versus doing and slow versus focus and trying to like, do trying to force myself to get what life means. but yeah, it, it will just click. You will be in lives and it's you only know when you experience it and it will just happen.
00:54:23:22 - 00:54:31:11
Emily
You just have to trust the process. Yeah. Trust me, if I can find slow, anyone can.
00:54:31:13 - 00:54:54:06
Filly
Sorry, buddy. thank you so much. I think that I think what you just shared is the epitome of us now. Healing and seeing some amazing results. Because you deeply love and trust yourself. Like. Like that is the healing. If anyone wants a secret, like magic bullet, that is where it is.
00:54:54:08 - 00:55:26:02
Emily
100% that that is it. Because your whole system just settles down and and when it's safe, your body doesn't need to protect you anymore with feelings and sensations and symptoms and you know when it trusts you to make the right choices for your body. and when you trust yourself and you know that you can make those choices for yourself and your life and your body, everything just falls into place like that.
00:55:26:02 - 00:55:34:06
Emily
Trust. That relationship is just there. and that's when the healing can can start that. Yeah.
00:55:34:08 - 00:55:41:20
Filly
Just does it just does not sound like impossible or fairy tale, but it works. It works.
00:55:41:21 - 00:55:43:06
Emily
It does work.
00:55:43:08 - 00:56:05:18
Filly
Well, thank you so much for so generously sharing all of this. I know so many people are going to resonate it, to so many different parts of this conversation, whether it's chronic fatigue, long haul Covid, perfectionism, feeling like you like Grace all the time. And I know that it's going to give so many, so many people a lot of heart that it's it's possible.
00:56:05:18 - 00:56:18:20
Filly
And I'm so excited to see where you go, like you do even in the next three months that I'm like a year down the track. I'm just so excited. What you going to do with your life?
00:56:18:22 - 00:56:47:10
Emily
Yeah, it's. Yeah, I just feel. I feel so free and just so at ease. And. Yeah, like, I didn't even realise what kind of anxiety I was walking around feeling every day until it was gone. Yeah. And I'm just like, oh my gosh, is this how most people feel? I don't think it is. I know that there are a lot of people who don't feel like this.
00:56:47:12 - 00:57:08:03
Emily
but it's possible. And I was the biggest sceptic, trust me. But I was just so desperate to try anything. I was like, I'm committed to this, I'm committed and I'm open to it. and I'm so grateful for this whole process because it's given me the rest of my life back, like the quality of my life now versus what it was before.
00:57:08:05 - 00:57:10:22
Emily
It's just so different.
00:57:11:00 - 00:57:22:13
Filly
Yeah. Thank you so much. You have you feel my cup up every time I talk to you. So I'm sorry. So grateful to have you in my world.
00:57:22:15 - 00:57:31:05
Emily
Thankfully, the feeling is mutual. I love getting to spend time with you guys and talk about things and just everything. Awesome.
00:57:31:07 - 00:57:44:08
Filly
Yeah, well, thank you so much to our listeners too for tuning in and I wish you a beautiful day.
00:57:44:10 - 00:57:54:12
Filly
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00:57:54:14 - 00:58:20:10
Chris
You can also write your own state of burnout and the root cause contributors by taking our Ending Body Burnout assessment on our website. And if you're interested in learning about that group one on one ending body burnout programs, shoot us a DM via Instagram or Facebook. Have the best day ever.
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Chris
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