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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Body Burnout show. We are your host, Chris and Filly, co-founders of a multi winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, business, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body, get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Chris
Good. Hey guys, and welcome to this episode of The Body Burnout Show. It's 2026.
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Filly
Yeah it is.
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Chris
Is it February right now.
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Filly
And will be February when this episode goes live. And also people one week. If you're listening to this on the day that the episode goes live, it is one week until doors open to our ending Body bang out method program again, which is super exciting because we only open doors three times a year. So if you're, a keen being, or even if you're just curious around how you can work with us to address your body burnout, often that shows up as energy, mood, gut issues, and you're running busy overdoing people, pleasing perfectionism patterns.
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Filly
Head down to the link below. Check out the ending Body burnout method. You can also pop your name on the white list, and white list will get access to joining the program two days before the doors officially open. Bonuses or benefit of doing that is you get $500 worth of early bed bonuses. Yay! Plus, we only, have limited spaces, so we've only got 25 spaces to welcome in, new clients.
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Filly
We do sell out over the course of launch week, and so being on the waitlist means you get first dibs. Our program does include one on one consults and coaching. So it means you can get in and you secure a spot.
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Chris
Yep.
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Filly
Yeah. So today we are doing a podcast all about anxiety, uncertainty and breaking free from all of that. And we'll be talking a little bit about our free Rewire Your Brain to Heal Body Burnout event that we're holding as part of launch week. Again, if you're listening to this and the day that this episode drops, that free event will be happening in a week's time.
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Filly
So head on down to the show notes and join. It's going to be awesome. I'll talk a little bit more about it at the end. But essentially when the brain gets stuck in anxiety patterns, which is really common when there is body burnout. So when you're running or if you're doing perfectionism, people pleasing patterns, you're stuck in fight flight, or if it's been going long enough, you've dropped down into freeze in mobilisation.
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Filly
Fatigue anxiety is often a big part of that, and so is fear of uncertainty. And these two things do go hand in hand. So anxiety and uncertainty often, like if you think about them as petrol and fire, chuck them together. And it was show up in your body and mind for a lot of people. And here's the thing.
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Filly
Like, you're not weird, you're not broken. If this is what you're currently struggling with, all humans are wired to survive, and our brain and our nervous system loves to milia already, which also means it loves certainty in general. So when you feel certain events about things, when you know that the sun will rise tomorrow morning, when you know that you will have food today, or you know where to get that food from.
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Filly
When you know that you have people around you to love and protect you. I'm kind of talking about caveman evolution days as well here. Then that then equals safety. So when you're certain about the world and you and your life within it, then you can feel secure and safe and comfortable. And that is why a lot of people don't love uncertainty.
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Filly
Certainty is also one of our six core human needs. And we'll talk a bit more about the human needs later on when we talk about how to break free from anxiety and patterns of uncertainty. Now, if you're someone who has experienced chronic stress, you can be more prone to looking for danger. So your brain literally starts getting primed to look for danger everywhere.
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Filly
Research studies actually show that your amygdala increases in size. And the amygdala is part of the brain. That is your survival part of the brain, your reptilian part of the brain, the brain that is constantly searching for for danger to try and keep you safe. And so therefore, if you have experienced chronic stress, if your amygdala is increased in size, if you're a nervous system dysregulation, you will be more prone to being uncertainty adverse.
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Filly
And then underneath all of that, if you have an unconscious core beliefs about self that a dysfunctional unkind I'm not enough. I'm flawed, I'm broken, I'm weak, incapable, I'm unlovable, I'm unworthy. And you have, process past distressing events. This can also prime you to be more uncertainty adverse.
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Chris
Is it adverse or averse? Uncertainty averse. Like prone to and, prone to it. Is that what you mean? Anxiety?
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Filly
Certainty?
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Chris
Uncertainty. Sorry.
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Filly
Uncertainty. Adverse. Yeah. Okay. What about I this a v e r s a or a d?
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Chris
I'm pretty sure.
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Filly
That I know basically what I mean by that little coupling of two words is, you height anxiety. I mean, sorry, you hate uncertainty. It causes a lot of fear versus someone who has a high risk profile, who loves spontaneity and believes that the world is safe and that they are capable and strong. That brain is going to be, yeah, be okay with uncertainty.
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Chris
It's averse.
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Filly
What does adverse mean.
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Chris
Or adverse if think about adversity is like, a challenge, it's, so adverse means preventing success or development harmful or unfavourable.
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Filly
Well, I think that could work as well.
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Chris
Work. But but having a strong dislike of something is Avis.
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Filly
Okay, people, I learnt something. Yeah.
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Chris
This is this is. Yeah. This is the way it works in our relationship. Chris. Filly has the PhD in, English literature, but but I, do the words.
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Filly
I don't know how to spell. Okay. So I'll give you an example of that. And again, if you've been a long term listener of our podcast, you would have heard my story around, the belief underneath the burnt out patterns that I was running. So I had a deep belief that I was awakening capable. How they showed up for me was bad.
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Filly
Things will happen if I'm not in control of everything. I have to be in control of the money. I have to be in control of the shopping. I have to be in control of the travel and the holidays, and I have to be in control of when the planets awarded. And, you know, kind of exhausting if you just go down that big list.
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Filly
And so it showed up for me as a pattern of control, which also meant that I was fearing uncertainty. So if deep down below the surface, I believed I was working incapable, I had to try really, really hard to control everything because uncertainty was exploration. So if something uncertain happened and I wasn't ready for it and exposed me to the rest of the world, how weak and pathetic I was then the worst fear about myself would be confirmed.
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Filly
And so yeah. And yeah, it caused a lot of anxiety for me. And so yeah, when you are fearing, uncertainty, patterns of anxiety can start showing up as a I'm not safe signal in times of uncertainty here that I just said patterns of anxiety. So you don't have anxiety. You're not an anxious person. You just might show up with patterns of anxiety, which is simply a signal that you're currently not feeling safe in some way.
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Filly
For me, that showed up as chronic anxiety, repetitive thoughts, a little bit of sad stuff happening as well. Hyper vigilance, always snappy, very much struggled with spontaneity and change. Panic attacks, insomnia, busy overdoing. Can't relax, perfectionism patterns and then also psychosomatic symptoms in my body and chronic inflammation in my body.
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Chris
Mind was breathing perfection. Rumination. Repetitive thoughts. Sick, cyclical. Like just going around and around and around and around, like that sort of stuff. Hearing sound bites that repeat over and over again, snapping, that sort of thing. It would be on the on the basketball court now. Now I recognise it. Oh man. For anyone who played basketball against me, especially against me back in the day, I'm sorry.
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Filly
I used to get feisty and.
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Chris
Yeah, it was.
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Filly
A, it was. That really.
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Chris
Was anxiety. I averaged 4.9 fouls in 2006. 4.9 fouls. I found out every game except for the very last game.
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Filly
Let you listen, but then keep your mouth shut.
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Chris
No. Not really. It took me. Took me another.
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Filly
I was just doing really well that day.
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Chris
And, another 12 years before I started working on it. Really?
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Filly
Yeah. Okay.
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Chris
Think about it. But, yeah, like, anxiety for me was, showed up a little bit different to you.
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Filly
And was that around uncertainty specifically? Like, it was kind of like I have to try really hard. I have to own the game. I have to prove and defend so that I'm awesome. So that I win. Said that everyone loves me and I don't get rejected.
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Chris
Yeah. I wouldn't have thought about it in the moment. It was just like when there was pressure out external to myself, it was pressure internally felt for sure. And yeah, it ended up being a lot of resourceful expression for sure.
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Filly
Yeah. Right. Okay. So as a, as a recap around the link between uncertainty and anxiety, uncertainty triggers anxiety because your brain's core job or the amygdala, because there's lots of different parts of the brain. The amygdala is core job is to keep you alive and not knowing what might happen in the next minute, hour, day. Yeah, gets interpreted as a potential threat.
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Filly
What if the tiger is about to chase me? What if my girlfriend is about to dump me? If I'm talking about Chris? What if I don't get that shot in that I have?
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Chris
You called me a girlfriend? Yeah, I'm your girlfriend.
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Filly
Oh, so here's what's what's going on. From a neuroscience perspective, your brain hates missing information. So when there's a gap, when there's no clear outcome, no timeline or, and, it tries to feel it really fast. And anxiety is a really good way of doing that because then it's like anxiety is essentially in, an obsession with the future.
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Filly
It's kind of it's trying to control what might happen, all the different pathways that might happen in the future. So it keeps you in an alert state. Uncertainty also removes your sense of control. So again control equals safety to the brain. The nervous system. When you can't control the outcome, your system ramps up to try and create control.
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Filly
And that's where you can start having those anxiety patterns over thinking checking double checking, triple checking, researching, seeking out reassurance from other people. Or, you know, even just the internet and your threat system would rather be wrong than unprepared. So from a survival perspective, it's safer to assume the worst and be ready than assume it's fine and be caught off guard.
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Filly
So your brain and your eyes and your mind starts leaning towards and negativity bias under uncertainty. It's like, well, if I don't really know what's going to happen here, then I'm going to expect the worst. And so then therefore, the brain is wired to look for negative things, things that aren't working, things that are hard, challenging, lack of progress.
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Chris
When, being in the military played into that as well as playing sport, you know, yet being prepared for all things and then doing scouts and, and ventures and things like that. The motto is be prepared. And Sara, what's that? There's a saying it's, two is one and one is none. And so if you go out on a, on an exercise or hiking even or, or whatever, if I don't have to fire sources or if I don't have to water water things, then I've, you know.
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Filly
Yeah, I feel like we talked about this, like sometimes the pattern can show up. We've talked about this in a previous episode around preparation for going on a hike or doing anything that might involve someone hurting themselves, getting getting bitten by a snake, getting eaten by shark, drowning where it's like you have to bite. Oh, that was the spending habits.
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Filly
You have to buy all the things so that you're fully prepared.
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Chris
Some people aren't okay with that, but I'm okay with that, so I don't think it's on the list.
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Filly
Okay. So when you read a body burn out, your tolerance gets much lower. So you've been experiencing a lot of chronic stress. You're already depleted. You're in adrenal fatigue often. Dopamine serotonin levels are depleted, you know, under slept, inflamed, hormonally stressed. So therefore your your body and your mind, you and your nervous system has less capacity.
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Filly
So uncertainty in the past might have felt a bit annoying. But now or if you're in a state of body burnout, it can feel really intolerable, really dangerous, really urgent. So again, you're not broken. It's just there's some signals trying to get your attention. Okay. I wanted to do a little piece on how this shows up in healing specifically.
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Filly
And this is based on clients that we've worked with. It's not only one client. It's often a pattern that shows up with certain clients, depending on what their unconscious core beliefs are and their programming and their patterning. Essentially, uncertainty can lead to body burnout. As we talked about before, it can really ramp up those stress hormones, and it can to plate your body systems even more.
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Filly
And it can also block a person's efforts to heal. So one client shared with us recently that he was having uncertainty around how to move forward, to recover from chronic fatigue because recovery was feeling so slow. And he had many different pathways and many different protocols that he could work on. You know, we had the lab, we knew where I knew where we were going.
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Filly
But he's like looking at all this information is like, oh, maybe I should do that. Maybe my feeling, should I do this or should I do that? And when we broke it down, what was happening was he would it was leading to procrastination and analysis paralysis. And even when he started or was doing a protocol, it never he never quite felt like it was the right thing.
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Filly
Even when he was following the plan. So I needed a constant reassurance. And, you know, more evidence that this is going to be the right thing that would heal the chronic fatigue. And underneath the surface it was around uncertainty. So it's like, oh, well, patterns in my life or in the past, there have been a lot of times I felt unsafe when I didn't have certainty, when I didn't know what the right thing was to do, when I didn't know what the next step would be.
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Filly
So that was impacting, yeah. The healing journey, because it was actually slowing it down, even though the uncertainty and the anxiety around it was around, like, I need to know exactly what's going to happen next. So it is faster. By the way, all of these, people that I'm thinking about have for hints for a lot of this, which is so cool, which is what we do inside our body burn out method.
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Filly
We're not expecting people to come to us, be going, you know, to be perfect clients and to do exactly what we say. 95% of the work is helping people move through their blocks. So they're actually healing in a way that heals rather than causes more body burn out. Another client. And again, this isn't the only client, but and it's something common that I see where she was having some flare ups so sensitive.
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Filly
It was quite sensitive to a lot of things. Different foods, different supplements, even doing metaphysical work and looking at place underneath and rewiring, was causing her system to have a fight flight response and was triggering anxiety. And so again, this was connected to uncertainty. So it made her start questioning, is this the right thing for me?
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Filly
Maybe I'm doing it wrong, or maybe this is the wrong thing. Why am I feeling worse, not better. And also, I started showing up as stories around maybe I'll never be able to heal. Maybe I'm just going to be the person that tries so hard and does all the things that my body freaks out with anything I'm trying to do, and so therefore I'm going to be stuck forever.
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Filly
Again, like initially this led to nervous system shutdown where it's just like, oh, too hard, let's shut down. Let's escape. But also created an anxiety loop around. I'm broken. And also started feeding a belief around or a lack of trust in the healing process and in self. So again we break. This client has broken through this.
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Filly
It took a lot of time and a lot of dancing, and a lot of coaching. But this is where I seeing uncertainty, anxiety, blocking the healing process. And another example and again, this isn't just the one person, but I'm thinking of someone in my head right now is she was further along in our ending body burn out method and really leaning into being.
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Filly
So we talk about being versus doing flow versus force, letting go or surrendering. Embodying meditations and somatic practices and just allowing whatever to unfold, to unfold. Now, she was really struggling to do this intellectually. She understood what this look like, but the thought of letting go immediately signalled to her amygdala, not safe, not safe to do this.
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Filly
It's not safe to do this because she had been running a pattern that of controlling everything, even to the point where she would her car was always prepared with all the things that she needed to have to go on a family trip, even if it was just like down the road for an hour. So always overly prepared.
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Filly
Thinking about the worst case scenario, making sure she had all the things, and that would block healing as well. But the thing there was the letting go part triggered the feeling, the sensation of uncertainty, of like, if I let go, what's going to happen? Because my old protective mechanism is to control everything, and therefore it created more anxiety.
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Filly
And she struggled initially to fully relax into the healing process and into different metaphysical processes meditation, somatic practices in order to get the result. I.
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Chris
Yeah, I do, so just a recent conversation with somebody around being at peace and having calmness and, you know who you are. Hi. So it the, the desire and the value for, for having calm and peace is fine. Like having having peace, having calm, having that certainty is fine. However, they tipped over into over control and that that controlling ness was, resourceful.
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Chris
It turned into I, it showed up as I never want to be not at peace. I always need to be at peace. That's a real. That's a that's a hard trick. That's a lot of pressure.
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Filly
I yeah, I actually I got an outlet from a client today or yesterday is kind of a similar thing, but it was like, what was it around outcomes. It's like what are some outcomes that you want? And she wrote pristine health always amazing. I was like, is that realistic? I'll be heading into the perimenopausal phase where your hormones are going to want like you know, they're going to move are they're going to change.
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Filly
Also a mom. Yeah. But I mean like essentially what's underneath both of those is still this holding on to control. Yeah. And, and distrust of uncertainty. It's like, who can I, I would love peace all the time. I would love pristine health all the time. If I had that, that certain source would also feel wonderful.
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Filly
But you can't have the highest without the lows. And it's kind of just, like, humanly not possible anyway.
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Chris
Yeah. That's the that's the main thing. Humanly. Humanly not possible. And as the saying goes, in kinesiology or in the spiral. Anyway, I'm okay with blah blah. I'm okay with not having blah blah or not being blah blah, you know?
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Filly
So I'm okay with uncertainty. I'm not okay with uncertainty.
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Chris
Yeah. Or I'm, let's just say it's, what did you say about that person? I know before that it was, Precision Health or packing the car or, or anything like that, you know, like I'm okay with something coming up. I'm okay with something not coming up. I'm okay with being prepared for something coming up and not having the preparation.
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Chris
And then the opposite of that. Yeah. That I think we, it's possible to, to lean into uncertainty resourcefully for sure.
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Filly
Yeah. Now we're going to talk about how to start rewiring the uncertainty anxiety loop so you can break through from it. But in before we do, I wanted to talk about our recent road trip. This is actually the recent road trip was give.
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Chris
Me was.
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Filly
Was the inspiration for this episode. But like, I don't know, like probably wouldn't be very on brand if we just talk about our camping trips. I'm like, what are some of the lessons that I learnt along the way? I think it also help.
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Chris
Are you about to say, but it is on brand, you know, like.
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Filly
Really it's like freedom.
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Chris
Yeah. And then also like living, living on purpose, being. Being how you want to be.
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Filly
Yeah. So can we get to that? Because I want to backtrack before even the, the camping trip, because this is how uncertainty and anxiety recently showed up for me. Okay? Anxiety patterns. So back in November, I can't remember if we've I know we've shared this with clients in workshops, but I'm not sure if we've talked about this in the podcast.
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Filly
Maybe we have. Anyway, I will repeat it. So in November, our youngest had a dream that she went to Queensland to Southbank, which we call the Plastic Beach, because basically it's a manmade beach in the middle of the city to favourite place in the world.
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Chris
I don't know why, I think she's just had some memorable experience this summer.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Chris
Fair enough.
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Filly
So anyway, I it is a fun day. I had been moving into New levels of growth around really embracing of fun and adventure and spontaneity and living more from the heart rather than the mind. So after Elsie, like glowingly shared this dream, I'm like, well, let's go, let's go. And so I look. I jumped on the internet, I looked it on, jumped on to the spirit of Tasmania because I'm like, let's make it a full on road trip.
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Filly
Let's like Explore Vic, not just Queensland, but Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland.
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Chris
And Chris is like ding ding ding. Permission granted. So I finally get the, the, the camper van set up. Yeah.
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Filly
Sorry. And I was full on expecting that the spirit would be totally booked out because it was over the Christmas New Year school holiday period. But lo and behold, there were a couple of slots left, so I booked it. Which one is a sign of progress for me? Because I usually would not have done that. That is like spontaneity to the max for me, even though I know that we'd been talking about in the past, like going on a road trip and doing the whole camping thing.
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Filly
But anyway, to do it in 24 hours, I think by the time of like the idea to booking anything now, the moment that I booked in and I felt really good about it, I'm like, yes, this is going to be wonderful and expansive and we're going to spend so much time with the family, like not just our little family, but we'll see our other relatives along the way.
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Chris
We saw everyone.
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Filly
And we're going to connect in nature and we're going to be off grid. And oh my gosh, we can even like continue working because it's going to be four weeks. So, you know, they'll still be a bit of work to do and meeting up with clients and all that sort of stuff. And then the moment maybe it was the next day, or maybe even the moment that I hit, press or the submit button.
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Filly
You have booked your trip. I started showing up with anxiety patterns.
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Filly
And it largely had to do with the, actually, it solely had to do with the uncertainty around the trip. So there were a few things that were very different around this, this travelling experience that we haven't ever done. So we've never been away for four weeks. Like usually I think the longest.
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Chris
On a holiday.
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Filly
Holiday has been two weeks. Like four weeks. That's a lot. Can we still, like, run the business and make sure Jess and our staff members looked after and still be able to consult with clients? And how am I going to fit all that in? And, you know, are we going to have Wi-Fi? What if I put people in and we don't have Wi-Fi and then we're camping?
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Filly
So Chris got set up with a rooftop tent.
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Chris
Yes, he did.
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Filly
And he was so excited about that and had a lot of fun shopping.
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Chris
Yes, he did.
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Filly
That for me. I was just like, where are we going to sleep every night? And what if we turn up somewhere and it's unsafe and there's burglars and robbers or drunk people like smashing beer bottles around us, or like, what are they going to be? Toilets? And I was really stressed out about the hate. So we live in Tasmania and we're going up to like top of Queensland on all the way.
00:28:45:05 - 00:29:05:20
Filly
That quite high enough. And I'm like, I love the heat, but I won't be able to sleep in the heat. And if I have no sleep for four weeks, this is going to be a disaster. And another big part was relinquishing a lot of control to Chris, because he was in charge of buying all the things like the rooftop tin to making sure you're self-sufficient.
00:29:05:20 - 00:29:10:11
Filly
I had one, the only job I had was to prepare the food, so I made sure we had enough.
00:29:10:11 - 00:29:14:15
Chris
But I had to delegate that to. I had to be like, Phillip, I'm going to give you a job.
00:29:14:17 - 00:29:30:10
Filly
And so that was creating uncertainty due because the like, I'm the one that usually organises the holidays and I book all the accommodation and I look for all the fun things that we do and like I'm kind of in control of the money as well. So like, I know what our budget is and we don't go over it.
00:29:30:10 - 00:29:34:05
Filly
But if I give that to Chris, like, who knows what's going to happen.
00:29:34:07 - 00:29:35:19
Chris
Exactly what didn't happen.
00:29:35:19 - 00:29:37:03
Filly
So these are all this really?
00:29:37:03 - 00:29:39:23
Chris
What is the bank account? Go, this,
00:29:40:00 - 00:29:52:09
Filly
This is like, why are you using business money for that? We took a lot of footage. So actually, there was and we worked during this, holiday. So I feel totally fine that we did some business money.
00:29:52:13 - 00:29:56:00
Chris
Well, it was a business expense. This was what I purchased.
00:29:56:02 - 00:30:20:14
Filly
So, anyway. And then how this showed up. Sorry. Repetitive thought patterns and overthinking and worst case scenarios. I also noticed that busy patterns showed up as well, not just around preparing for the holiday, but in everything. Like I haven't got any to do the groceries. Oh, have we done enough? Social media this week?
00:30:20:16 - 00:30:39:18
Filly
Oh, I have to be over prepared for clients. And so that's always a big signal when I've broken rapport with myself or something is out of alignment, and I don't feel safe. My sleep wasn't great. It wasn't insomnia. I was still sleeping, but I was having wild dreams. Crazy, crazy chains. Felt like I had a band across my chest.
00:30:39:19 - 00:31:06:10
Filly
And yeah, essentially, I just felt like I'd ramped up five times a day. So that is how the anxiety pattern showed up for me. Amazing. And I caught it really quickly. I mean, doing this work with clients, also embodying the work that we do personally for ourselves. I jumped onto a coaching sesh with my coach. I kind of knew what was going on, but it was nice just to verbalise all the things that were happening.
00:31:06:12 - 00:31:30:22
Filly
And for me to be able to say it as a new level of growth. So it was actually a massive sign of progress. This expansion that I was moving into with this trip. And with every new level of growth, when you're moving into something new, it can cause feelings of uncertainty and then signals can pop up. So that was really helpful.
00:31:30:23 - 00:32:10:17
Filly
And I had a few coaching sessions. I did some meditations, some somatic practices, and like within, I don't know, maybe I was probably hanging around for a little less than a week, but then that essentially switched off the big thing, the big thing that really helped me, my nervous system to settle down around it was embracing uncertainty. Because essentially this trip that we had just booked, that we were planning in our heads, was all around adventure, spontaneity being organic, allowing whatever to unfold, to unfold.
00:32:10:17 - 00:32:30:10
Filly
So the moment that I saw that as, oh, okay, this trip is actually about uncertainty, and I surrendered into the uncertainty that also helped switch off the signals. But it also allowed me to just have a really wonderful time. There were some crackpots as well at highs and lows.
00:32:30:10 - 00:32:36:15
Chris
It's probably literally about crap as well. Pooping. Pooping in a bucket will, change you?
00:32:36:17 - 00:32:38:01
Filly
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:38:05 - 00:32:43:10
Chris
Pooping in a bucket and then disposing said poop. Yeah is also an experience, which we will say for another, another time.
00:32:43:15 - 00:32:53:17
Filly
But one of the things that I just loved about it was not knowing where we were going to sleep every night. And Chris had bought a camping book that had all the Kant's spots around Australia,
00:32:53:19 - 00:32:56:02
Chris
White fruit, French ones. Yeah.
00:32:56:03 - 00:32:57:05
Filly
Some of them weren't cheap.
00:32:57:08 - 00:33:00:20
Chris
Well, they're well, they were cheap compared to the paid ones.
00:33:00:20 - 00:33:29:19
Filly
Okay. Relatively cheap. And so we just use the book to guide us where we were heading to next. And initially it was freaking me out, but after maybe three nights, I'm like, this is actually really fun. And it's taking us to places that we probably would never have planned to go. Yeah, really. Off the beaten track, we we scored some just most gorgeous, camping spots like the one outside Gladstone was in Dale camp.
00:33:29:21 - 00:33:33:15
Chris
Yeah. The, the bush camp that where I go.
00:33:33:17 - 00:33:36:17
Filly
Yeah, I got it. Okay. Like Chris got flooded. We also but it was an.
00:33:36:17 - 00:33:37:07
Chris
Experience I.
00:33:37:07 - 00:33:40:16
Filly
Like. We also got surrounded by wild boars that night.
00:33:40:16 - 00:33:43:20
Chris
I got that one you're talking about. Sorry, I got out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:33:43:21 - 00:33:51:14
Filly
I got bitten by three wasp. We saw a snake. You know, so it wasn't like all sunshine and rainbows, but it was just.
00:33:51:16 - 00:34:08:08
Chris
Adversity is amazing. I love it, I love adversity, but but here's the thing. I think that, Yeah. What were you saying before that? We got we went to places that we never would have gone to before, right.
00:34:08:10 - 00:34:11:20
Filly
And that's what, bracing uncertainty gives you as well.
00:34:11:22 - 00:34:12:18
Chris
Yeah.
00:34:12:20 - 00:34:28:14
Filly
It's like if you stay in the realm of, like, I have to control everything. I have to be certain about everything. You have a very small map and small life. Whereas when you start surrendering into uncertainty, embracing it like the world is your oyster.
00:34:28:15 - 00:34:41:17
Chris
And the world is huge, too. There's such a beautiful that there is so much beautiful stuff. Okay, so for everybody listening to this, where we live is beautiful.
00:34:41:17 - 00:34:44:14
Filly
It is probably the best place.
00:34:44:14 - 00:34:47:10
Chris
Yeah, actually, it's really rubbish. You wouldn't like it.
00:34:47:12 - 00:34:48:01
Filly
So don't.
00:34:48:01 - 00:35:20:03
Chris
Move here. But yeah. So when we were travelling around, Australia, there were some parts that just broke my heart. How how, impoverished. How rundown, how let down, how hurt, how how how hard and how harsh the experience of those particular locations and communities were. But then we went to some places and it was just, an unexpected delight, wasn't it?
00:35:20:03 - 00:35:26:23
Chris
Like it was. So it was amazing, made me feel very privileged, very lucky. Very blessed.
00:35:27:01 - 00:35:47:11
Filly
Spiritual. I can't even remember. Nothing happened. I think we were. We packed up from one camp spot. It was after you were flooded. But the night before that, I was just watching the girls holding hands. And they were playing like those little games where you clap hands with each other, and I kind of know what they could. You know those things?
00:35:47:12 - 00:35:48:21
Chris
My dad, dad, dad, dad.
00:35:48:21 - 00:35:59:09
Filly
Dad, dad did it, did it. And then Hosni save and we bought some ginger beers. We went to the Bundaberg place. We had some ginger beers.
00:35:59:10 - 00:36:00:10
Chris
And sugar in that.
00:36:00:13 - 00:36:14:22
Filly
There was no internet. It was just beautiful. And I just remember my heart just glowing the next day. Even though we'd had a really crappy night sleep because of flooding. But that was also part of it.
00:36:15:01 - 00:36:35:01
Chris
I think that was that made the adventure because, the adversity of it in the middle of the night, I just realised my dog was really, really saturated and wet and she came, gave me a cuddle. We got a convertible and she's just like a wet mop. And I'm like, why are you so wet? And in my foggy, you know, 3 a.m. in the morning, why are you so wet?
00:36:35:07 - 00:36:58:14
Chris
And then when I moved the whole bed mattress, kind of like water bed hydroplaned. And I'm like, why is the mattress floating? And then it hit me and I woke up and I'm like, I am flooded. And, got out and I realised, like, that pot was all dirt. When we, when we went there, it was like a beautiful flat.
00:36:58:15 - 00:37:16:20
Chris
I'm like, yeah, this is going to be the best place to sleep in the tent, in the annexe and stuff. There's like, no, no rocks and all this sort of stuff. It's beautiful. It's even like lay down flat. Anyway, I realised why there was no vegetation growing on that flat spots, because that's how. That's where the puddles go when it rains.
00:37:17:00 - 00:37:19:07
Filly
We camped in a puddle and it rained.
00:37:19:07 - 00:37:32:07
Chris
And in the middle of the night I tried to dig a little trench with my, with my 80 and, entrenching tool and, that worked until the rain.
00:37:32:09 - 00:37:32:16
Filly
Kept.
00:37:32:16 - 00:37:34:06
Chris
Coming. And then you ended.
00:37:34:06 - 00:37:35:03
Filly
Up sleeping in the car.
00:37:35:04 - 00:37:37:01
Chris
And I was just like, hope.
00:37:37:03 - 00:37:59:23
Filly
But for two hours, all I heard was. Like, I'm like. And I didn't want to say anything out loud because I didn't want to say, oh, you're awake. Come and help me. So I'm like, oh, just just stay quiet. And hopefully he stops making that noise soon and just goes, either comes up into the tent and sleeps with us or not.
00:38:00:01 - 00:38:19:03
Filly
I mean, one thing that I that was a benefit of me relinquishing most of the control to you is like me and the girls are actually treated like princesses. I feel. So we got to sleep in the rooftop tent. I mean, there was enough space for Chris to as well, but you chose not to because your body temperature is way hotter than ours.
00:38:19:05 - 00:38:22:16
Chris
And I could relax even more, I guess spread out.
00:38:22:16 - 00:38:24:21
Filly
And nor and not annoy people.
00:38:24:21 - 00:38:27:09
Chris
Yeah, I had the time of my life was great.
00:38:27:11 - 00:38:49:18
Filly
But also because. Because it was like, well, Chris is Chris is taking laid on this holiday. I'm releasing all control to him, minus the food. I will lap this up. I will lap being treated like a princess, even though I've had no shower for three days. We're pooping in buckets and we're using baby wipes for showers.
00:38:49:23 - 00:38:55:23
Chris
That's what most guys want. They want their, women to feel like princesses.
00:38:56:01 - 00:39:13:02
Filly
And and another thing, like, just surrounding pricing, uncertainty and spontaneity was, yeah, we found a cool place on the map, and it's like, let's go there. So one of the, like, magical places was, Southwest Rocks in New South Wales on the coast.
00:39:13:03 - 00:39:15:07
Chris
It's hard to hard to. Yeah.
00:39:15:08 - 00:39:15:19
Filly
Not many.
00:39:15:19 - 00:39:16:10
Chris
There's so many.
00:39:16:10 - 00:39:40:20
Filly
But yeah, not many people talk about it. Actually, I've never heard about it. And when we were leaving to go from Brisbane to Sydney, a few people were like, oh yeah, that won't take you very long. You get it? You could get down there in a day. I'm like, I don't want to get down to. I don't want to fang the car and get down to Sydney in a day just for the sake of certainty.
00:39:40:22 - 00:39:56:04
Filly
Let's explore. And so, anyway, we came across this beautiful coastal town, and I was swimming with dolphins in real life. Like how amazing. And then everyone was caught out of the beach because they thought they saw a shark, but there wasn't a shark. So then we all went swimming again.
00:39:56:06 - 00:39:58:22
Chris
Where is southwest rocks again? Near Byron Bay.
00:39:58:22 - 00:40:01:07
Filly
Is it at below Byron Bay?
00:40:01:09 - 00:40:03:13
Chris
Yeah. I forget where it is. That was beautiful.
00:40:03:13 - 00:40:04:21
Filly
It was so beautiful.
00:40:04:23 - 00:40:07:12
Chris
It was super beautiful.
00:40:07:14 - 00:40:33:05
Filly
Okay, so, I mean, we could talk some more about our trip. But let's talk about how to start breaking free. Free from fear of uncertainty and anxiety. So I briefly mentioned earlier that we have six core needs. This actually comes from Tony Robbins. So the six core needs, certainty, variety, love and connection, significance growth and contribution.
00:40:33:07 - 00:41:06:11
Filly
And this is a framework that we use with our clients when they first start working with us. So if the very first six core certainty, then certainty is important. As I said before, brain nervous system love, certainty loves familiarity loves to know what's coming up. But there's different ways that you can create certainty in a really healthy, resourceful way without becoming over controlling or without shutting down to uncertainty or, you know, stuck in analysis paralysis.
00:41:06:13 - 00:41:23:09
Filly
So the first one would be embracing uncertainty. As I was talking about before, because at the end of the day, nothing is certain. Like we we often say, well, the sun is going to rise and the moon is going to rise, but to even know, like maybe one day it won't. So nothing in this life is certain.
00:41:23:09 - 00:41:54:14
Filly
So the moment that you, you embrace uncertainty as a given that actually creates certainty, it's like, oh, there's certainty that there is no on that. There is no certainty. Okay. And then the next piece in that would be backing yourself. So doing the deeper work, which I'll talk about in a moment, doing the deeper work to resolve and let go of and rewire reprogramme unkind beliefs about yourself on resourceful beliefs about yourself, so that you're backing yourself so that you know who you are, so that you know that you can handle it.
00:41:54:16 - 00:42:27:08
Filly
Anything that comes your way, you're strong. You're resourceful. You're lovable, you're wonderful. So that's. Yeah, building self-confidence and backing yourself gives you certainty. Establishing healthy routines and ritual can also be a really healthy, resourceful way of creating certainty. You don't want to do it in a like, stringent perfectionist way. But if you've got those healthy routines built into your day to day life, that can give you certainty so that when uncertain things happen, you've got a foundation.
00:42:27:10 - 00:42:51:07
Filly
And that's actually something that I was really craving in the last week of our holiday. I'm like, I'm ready to go home now. I've had enough variety, I've had enough adventure. I actually just really want to nest in my home and have like, go back to my usual routines and rituals. Mantras can be really helpful for creating resourceful certainty and also embracing uncertainty.
00:42:51:07 - 00:43:14:08
Filly
So even as simple as I choose to embrace uncertainty, I trust the process of life. These are some of the ones that helped me, It's safe to let go. It's safe to be slow. It's safe to be more flow for I choose to focus on my circle of control. Do you have any other affirmations, mantras?
00:43:14:09 - 00:43:15:10
Chris
Should be right.
00:43:15:12 - 00:43:24:03
Filly
She'll be right, mate. Yeah, actually, you know what? That's probably one I was embracing previous and on the holiday, too. It's like whatever happens, happens.
00:43:24:05 - 00:43:54:22
Chris
I do. I do have one other strategy, that that I think is cool. This comes from conversations with our youngest with else. And she she will say things to me. What's an example got in the garden, for example, she'll say, what's an example? What's an example? Pushing the what happens what happens if I push the seed too deep when I'm, sowing it?
00:43:55:01 - 00:44:14:14
Chris
I'll say, well, then it goes a little bit deeper, doesn't it? She says, what happens if it goes a little deeper? Well, sometimes the seed finds it a little bit more challenging to, to turn into a seedling because it's got a little bit further to push out. And what happens if that happens? Yeah. Sometimes it sometimes it doesn't turn into a seedling.
00:44:14:14 - 00:44:36:23
Chris
Is that bad? I'm like, it's not bad. Or, you know, we want to grow as many as we can. So we'll see if we can just do our best. Push them 2.5cm. That's like your thumb. Now you say okay. And then she did it and that was all she knew. She just needed like the logical answer. And sometimes I'll just use the same example.
00:44:36:23 - 00:44:53:06
Chris
What she sometimes does, I'll be like, dad, what happens if I push it too deep or if I push it deeper than that? Okay, then it goes a little bit deeper than that, and sometimes that's enough for her. Hello, brain. She just needs to. And so do you know what I mean?
00:44:53:11 - 00:45:00:03
Filly
What you're creating there, too, is like, it's okay. However you put it in, at the end of the day, you're safe.
00:45:00:05 - 00:45:01:14
Chris
Yeah, you're going to be okay.
00:45:01:14 - 00:45:08:15
Filly
I'm not going to get angry at you. I'm not going to yell at you. Yeah. Sock, if nothing.
00:45:08:16 - 00:45:09:10
Chris
I wouldn't suck.
00:45:09:16 - 00:45:30:23
Filly
Well, like, if there were no seedlings. Well, yeah, actually, your your attitude is like. Oh, okay, let's plant some more. And so that's instilling in Elsie as well, because Elsie can have this tendency where it's just like and what if and what if and what if. But it's helping to instil within her I think that yeah.
00:45:30:23 - 00:45:37:23
Filly
Like whatever happens, it's you, you'll be okay. Like it'll be okay. So that's.
00:45:37:23 - 00:45:49:14
Chris
Cool. What? Another one. What if I can't fall asleep? Well, you won't go to sleep. And is that bad? Might. Well, it's not it's not bad. It's not good. It might be sleepy.
00:45:49:16 - 00:46:12:08
Filly
Yeah, actually, I forgot to mention that was something that I really leaned into on the trip as well, because, like, one of my anxious thoughts is, what if I don't sleep for four weeks and I'm going to be a monster? Am I going to have fun? And I'm not going to enjoy it, and I didn't. I think I had one full slate for the whole four weeks, but the quicker that and it happened within the first week, the quicker I just surrendered into.
00:46:12:10 - 00:46:24:17
Filly
This is a trait where I probably won't get great sleep because we're camping the highways or there's crickets or there's other people or it's too hot or it's too cold.
00:46:24:19 - 00:46:26:17
Chris
Or Chris's car.
00:46:26:19 - 00:47:06:02
Filly
Or and and the thing that helped me there was and what's the worst thing that's going to happen if I just got about four weeks, like, it's okay, I'll be okay. And I don't have the amount of responsibility that I would carry at home. So, you know what? If I'm tired every day, I'm also going to be driving in the car as a passenger a lot and reading a book or going swimming and my and like, sleep was crap, but my energy levels were actually really good on the holiday, because I allowed myself to not get fixated and obsessive around trying to get good sleep time.
00:47:06:02 - 00:47:28:22
Filly
Yeah. One last thing around. Resourceful creep. Helping to embed and create resourceful certainty is listening and responding to the messages from the body. And this one was a really big one for me when I was overcoming chronic symptoms. So this helped me to shift from the fear of of flaring up, of having a flare, of have symptoms which would quite create all sorts of uncertainty.
00:47:28:22 - 00:47:52:13
Filly
Am I ever going to get better and like then trying to like control why? And what was the trigger in like how can I avoid that to happen, blah blah blah blah blah. So the moment that I understood this concept and I started welcoming the messages from my body as a loving signal and, and like it was loving because it was trying to help me to return back to me automatically, immediately.
00:47:52:13 - 00:48:16:03
Filly
That created a whole heap of certainty. And also or that my body and my unconscious mind working together for my favour, in my favour. They working for me and like far out this system of mine. This is an amazing communication pathway. And if I listen to it and if I take action on the things the signals that are sending to me, only good things are going to happen.
00:48:16:03 - 00:48:37:01
Filly
Yes, there might be highs and lows, but it's going to lead me to health and happiness and that created a whole heap of certainty for me. So as I mentioned before, next week, if you're watching this on the day that this is dropping, the week that it's dropping, we are running our free Rewire Your Brain to Heal Body burn out.
00:48:37:01 - 00:48:57:16
Filly
We have held it in the past. We get heaps of great feedback from it. We get heaps of interest. People ask us to put it on again, especially if they weren't able to make it. So we're doing it again as part of launch week. And essentially the three days, we'll dig deeper into how to break free from anxiety, uncertainty, and body burnout in general.
00:48:57:16 - 00:49:21:00
Filly
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00:49:21:00 - 00:49:44:06
Filly
So in our practice, we believe that the deepest root root cause of body burnout is the deepest fear you have about yourself. So a deep unconscious core root belief about self, that will be a beautiful transformational coaching session, which will help you to get a lot of clarity around the patterns that you're running and what's happening underneath the surface.
00:49:44:06 - 00:50:08:11
Filly
So you can actually start changing it. And then on day three will help you to switch off symptoms. So this is where will really help you to listen and communicate with the signals coming from your body. And help you to rewire the neural pathways. So, everything can start calming down and healing optimally and functioning optimally. So check out the show notes, and register for that.
00:50:08:11 - 00:50:10:17
Filly
One is free.
00:50:10:18 - 00:50:16:11
Chris
Boom. Awesome. All right, guys, have the best day ever and chat to you later.
00:50:16:13 - 00:50:21:04
Filly
Bye bye.
00:50:21:06 - 00:50:31:08
Filly
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Chris
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00:50:57:10 - 00:50:57:22
Chris
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