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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Body Burnout show. We are your host, Chris and Filly, co-founders of a multi winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, business, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body, get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Filly
Hello! Welcome to the podcast. Today I am your host, Filly Boulet. And today we're actually pulling back the curtain to give you an exclusive peek inside a live workshop from our holistic healing program, the Ending Body Burn out method. So you will today be experiencing firsthand how we create a transformative healing space in our weekly workshops that we run for our clients, designed to support our clients in between their one on one functional medicine consults and root cause coaching sessions.
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Filly
So today's episode, is part of a workshop that we ran with clients a year or so ago called on a powerful brain rewiring technique called Guided Motor Imagery. So great imagery is used by many people, including a world class athletes. But today's focus is on how we can improve the brain and the body's communication with one another, especially in chronic health conditions.
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Filly
And we'll be doing a large focus on chronic pain today as well. In the episode. So great and burning imagery is a wonderful way of rewiring the brain's response to tasks or tasks or triggers that then cause the body to show up with symptoms. And there is a huge amount of peer reviewed studies showing the effectiveness of this brain rewiring technique in including improving chronic muscle and joint pain and things like fibromyalgia.
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Filly
So we have seen inside our clinic in the inside Out program how jamming techniques improve other symptoms like gut pain, headaches, food and chemical sensitivities, dizziness, fatigue, anxiety, and abnormal stress response to triggers. And we want to take you through how you can change your response to your own triggers and turn off unwanted sensations in your body and mind.
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Filly
So I really hope that you get a lot out of today's episode. It's going to be a really practical one, and if you're feeling inspired by today's Brain Rewiring episode, you won't want to miss our upcoming free three day live event, Rewire Your Brain to Heal Body Burnout that is happening on the 10th, 11th, and 12th of February.
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Filly
I really hope I got those dates right. And if you would love to work with us, if you really resonate with today's podcast, maybe you've listened to other episodes and you have had on your dream list. I want to work with in feely one day to and my body burn out. Today is the day. Well, maybe not specifically today, depending on when you're listening to the podcast.
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Filly
But The doors will be opening to those on our waitlist on. Let me just pull up the date. I believe it is the 9th of February. So for two days there is a secret earlybird access for our waitlist is that means that if you're on our waitlist, you will get early bird access so you'll secure a spot.
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Filly
We only have limited spaces. I think that we. I need to go and actually count up how many clients we can, welcome into the program, but it's usually around 25, 30 clients. And so you'll be able to secure a spot, and you'll also get exclusive waitlist bonus waitlist bonuses worth over $500. So if you're interested in working with us, head down to the show notes and the link will be there to to jump on the waitlist.
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Filly
All right, let's dive into today's episode. Okay, so today we, sitting in nervous system regulation. But as we always say, everything interconnects with each other, so it doesn't really matter where you are personally in your Spock journey in terms of working through the course content. But today we're going to take you through a graded mode of imagery, which is a really specific brain rewiring technique.
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Filly
This isn't something that we've got specifically in the nervous system 21 day rewire. So it is different, although you notice that there's similar elements in terms of rewiring neural pathways and regulating the nervous system as we take you through it. I'm curious if anyone's actually heard about this or has tried graded motor imagery and what your experience has been.
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Chris
Well, and then also, can I share my experience with this like term term. Yeah. We'll let you know how you ask me. You like, have you ever hang up. Oh we've.
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Filly
Got a slide there.
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Chris
Okay.
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Filly
Oh just.
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Chris
Sorry. Jumping the gun.
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Filly
So let's well let's talk about what it is and you can share your thing soon. Chris hasn't seen these slides. Like, I want him to be surprised when we get to that thought.
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Chris
Oh.
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Filly
Cool. New to me? Yep. Also new. Awesome. All right. So the intention today is to understand how the brain holds and map of your sensations. So in nervous system regulation, the last topic or module is around getting really good at understanding, communicating, feeling, experiencing, holding space to sensations and then essentially learning what you need to do in order to switch those off.
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Filly
So I will also show you how you can use this technique to regulate your nervous system and rewire the brain and sensations. So this is what it is. It is a powerful technique used to improve the way the brain is communicating to the body. And in people. In chronic health issues, graded motor imagery helps to rewire the brain's response to triggering tasks and situations and thereby switching off unwanted sensations.
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Filly
Anyone who is on when was it? It would have been a few weeks ago. We did the Braking trigger response workshop. This is this is like it's different. It's similar, a bit different. And it's going to give you another tool to add into your tool bag to help break down those trigger and responses.
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Filly
And it's also useful for building up your nervous system to different sensory sensations. So often what happens when you develop chronic issues, whether that's mental, emotional, or physical? There can be, dysregulation. Even when you think about performing certain tasks, activities will talk about what that actually looks like. Sometimes that's conscious and you are aware of it.
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Filly
Sometimes it's happening unconscious because the brain is experiencing these triggers over time and creating a dysregulated response to them. So it helps to build up your nervous system and aggravated means you're gradually increasing the trigger activity so the exposure to it, but also then your, your experience of it. Now graded motor imagery has had there's so much research.
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Filly
If you search in PubMed you're going to come up with heaps and heaps and heaps of research studies. And a lot of it is around physical pain. I won't go into like the specific studies, but I just wanted to share this. This is again external, evidence. It's like evidence that this could work for you to, especially for people with pain.
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Filly
But this can be applied to any type of sensation, physical or emotional, that you're experiencing. So there's a research study that showed that graded motor imagery is really good for complex regional pain syndrome. So that's like fibromyalgia. You might have actually had a real injury in the past, healed from it physically, but your body's continuing to hold onto pain.
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Filly
This one showed that graded motor imagery can get rid of phantom limb pain, which is pretty cool because you don't have a part of your body, but your brain continues to send pain down to your missing hand. And you can rewire the brain to support that. This one specific to chronic shoulder pain. And then the last one also shows that creative motor imagery can help patients with stroke as well to recover from stroke and build their mobility and motor neurones back.
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Filly
So.
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Filly
So toss a movement so traditionally graded mode IT therapy. The word motor is more specific to your physical body and how your body is moving. So in those studies they would have supported a patient to do certain tasks. And usually it's a movement of the body, whether that's mopping or vacuuming or sitting down or hanging the washing out like all those functional stuff, or maybe even exercise.
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Filly
And these movements, were causing pain using graded motor imagery to rewire the brain to say those movements actually safe. Then the pain disappears.
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Chris
We have a comment compartment syndrome.
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Filly
Off the top of my head. I'm not sure I've heard of it, but I can't give you a, anyone want.
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Chris
To say, locking it away, suppressing that sort of thing? Is that what compartment syndrome is? Going back.
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Filly
You might have to do a Google.
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Chris
My university days.
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Filly
Okay. So it can be. So I wanted to share those studies. So there's a lot of research around it. People like physios, orthopaedic, practitioners, not all of them, but some of them are taking these on as standard care to support a patient in their recovery to pain. Now, what we've seen clinically and, a lot of other evidence in the natural therapies is that graded, graded moody imagery can also be applied to other types of physical sensations, like gut pain, headaches, what else is there even like chronic fatigue and also emotional sensations.
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Filly
So especially things like anxiety, overwhelm, abnormal stress response because essentially it's the same thing. You get triggered by something that is safe. But over time your brain has deemed that as unsafe. So it's created neural pathways to send signals to whether it's your emotions or your physical body. So we can use this same practice to rewire the brain.
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Chris
Just double checking, doing the standard zoom thing just while we're here. How's our sound? Is it all right? Just just double checking. Thumbs up. Okay, cool cool cool cool. Thank you.
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Filly
Cool. And some other examples of triggers might be. And as you're reading here, these are all things that just happen in daily life. So sitting down, picking up a child, bending over could even be eating patterns. Whether that's eating and food in general causes pain, or there's emotional pain around the way that you eat, specific foods, say food allergies.
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Filly
Sensitivities could be specific. Smells, chemicals is the trigger. Stressful situations and environments and people. So again, if we go back to the workshop we did a few weeks ago on breaking trigger responses. It's all the things that you would have mapped out if you're on that workshop. Okay, so essentially brain has deemed these daily tasks as unsafe and it's doing so as a protective mechanism.
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Filly
It's like this is unsafe. We need to continue sending pain so you can return back to safety. But we want to retrain the brain to say, hey, it's actually okay to pick up my kid and it's okay to bend over and it's okay to eat tomato. It's all safe. We can return back to normal function. Okay. Any questions so far?
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Filly
Oh, good.
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Filly
Pop them in the chat box if you do. All right. So how this also be. Yes yes yes absolutely. Response to work. Look I would say doesn't happen. That's very rare. Now I've noticed occasionally sometimes if I'm leading up to my period, I might get like a little bit of a response, but it could even be like your inbox.
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Filly
It's like, yeah, and emails come through, I used to have that used to be a massive trigger. Anytime I saw any email, I'd be like, oh, I'm in trouble. Open it up. And it's like, hey, you've got a bill. All right, so how does this work? So basically murder graded murder imagery. So they use the word imageries that we're using our imagination, which is the best tool you have inside of you to create change.
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Filly
And you're imagining yourself doing the task with ease and comfort. But before you even get to that, and again, it depends on someone's level and response to the trigger. Usually you would start off actually looking at someone else doing the task or activity or being in that situation, and then you're you're assessing your sensations in your body, your emotions, your thoughts.
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Filly
How are you feeling if there's any kind of discomfort, even looking at someone else doing the thing, then that's where the work starts. And we'll take you through what that looks like, and then you're gradually getting to the point where you're then imagining yourself doing it, and you want to get to that point where you believe that you're doing it.
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Filly
It feels good doing the thing, eating the food, smelling the chemical, bending over whatever it is. Being at work. And your body will follow your mind. So over time, you're creating new neural pathways simply by imagining this new reality. The, and in the brain. So the part of the brain we're working with, you've got motor, the motor and sensory cortex, the sensory cortex is basically a virtual map of every body pot and every sensation in your body.
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Filly
And the motor cortex is how you're actually performing different things with your body, with your digestion, with your detox pathways. I'll read this. So the sensory and motor cortex holds and maps the body. It has millions of neurones living here that represent all parts of the body. And when you use your imagination to see yourself perform a certain task with common ease, it sparks the neurone neurones on the virtual map, retraining the brain that these normal functions are perfectly safe and over time.
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Filly
And it doesn't have to take years and years. By the way, it can be fast. Over time, this will become your new reality because your neurones are mirroring what you want to say and what you're imagining. Okay, so also, I just thought I'd check this on end.
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Chris
Hey, that's me.
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Filly
So great. And motor imagery is also really commonly used in elite athletes. Chris used to be an elite athlete. Picking people up, saying.
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Chris
Hey, hey, I was very humble.
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Filly
I was very humble. What do you.
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Filly
Mean? I don't know.
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Chris
I was I'm a humble.
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Filly
Okay.
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Filly
Did you want to share what you wanted to share? I just really want.
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Chris
Me to tell you this story.
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Filly
I think that in that that again, again, studies done with graded motor imagery and elite athletes performing way better with their bodies after they've been imagining themselves performing in such a way. And that's how you one all came second, I think, in national strongman competition, not because you were the strongest. Well, the second strongest, no. Are you.
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Chris
This is like a this is like a backhanded compliment. It's like you didn't really go, but you weren't the best. You weren't really good.
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Filly
No, your mind was stronger than the other bloke. So.
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Filly
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Chris
Yeah. Okay. So I can I back backtrack a little bit when you said, hey, motor imagery, great motor imagery. What do you know about that? And I was like, oh, the the word itself, like, not really 100%. Sure. And so, so I feel he taught me, and I do that all the time so that.
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Chris
Yeah, I know I'm like, oh, I, and so. Well, before I talk about it, I actually think when, when I'm training somebody, let's say a, some sort of an exercise, let's say a human press, like, you walk up to your brother in law and you say, hey, how have you, you, 110. I reckon I could press you over my head.
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Chris
And he's like, no, you couldn't. I'm like, let's do this. Crush your legs, crush your arms like going, going. I think I pressed him like 5 or 6 times. Anyway, before you do anything, it's done up here. You have to have the idea of it. And and when I'm teaching somewhere or coaching somebody to do, say, an exercise like, bench press is a better one than a human press, you got to see it.
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Chris
You got to see yourself lay down on the bench. You got to see yourself grab a hold of the body to see yourself and feel yourself in your mind's eye in the movie, in your mind. Feel yourself. Squeeze the bar. Feel the the, the knurling in the bar and and in your hand. Know how that feels. And you breathe in your head.
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Chris
And then you notice yourself. Take it out. You press it up above your chest. You do it for the number of times you feel your muscles contract as you bring it down, and you're pressing it back up, and then you hear it as you put it back on the rack and your eyes are closed the whole time. I'm teaching somebody to do this while they're before they've even gone to do their bench press.
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Chris
This is athletes all the way to to house mums who who've never, or even guys, guys, girls who've never done a bench press ever before. And then I'm teaching them how to do it. Then I say, okay, now just take a moment, see it in your head. Don't touch that bar. In real life. Don't grab that real bar until you've done it in your head.
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Chris
And so they would do it in their head and I'd be quiet. I'd watch them and I'd see them doing this right. And then they lay down. They grab a hold the button. They do it in real life. And personal best was set. Medals were won. Humans were pressed, brethren was repressed. No, nobody was injured in the making of this.
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Chris
Week that.
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Filly
Does anyone. So now that you understand a bit about what it actually is and it's quite simple, you may potentially already be doing this in some way or form in your daily life or. Yeah, I'm curious in the chat box if you like. Yeah, I do do that. And this was the result or has been the result for owner I love this.
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Filly
I have a question. Yes. So some questions are good. The example is hanging out. The washing aggravates my back pain rather than triggering it as in the pain exists already. The action only makes it worse. Should I actually be starting from zero pain? Yeah. So wait a minute. We're going to take you through the process right back to the start.
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Filly
But yeah, you would want to be, first of all, imagining or even looking at a picture of some or a video of someone else hanging out the washing with like com and ace. That's sort of where you start. But the, the you do want to start with zero pain when you start imagining your own self doing that action.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Chris
I, I also would think, imagining and visualising, you know, how I said, okay, grab a hold of the bar and you pull the bar out and you do your bench press repetitions, feel yourself, hear yourself, notice yourself. And then once you've done it in your head, open your eyes and do it in real life. You could do the same thing.
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Chris
If you're not for your washing and just, you know, you've got in the back of your mind. I've had back pain before. I know I've had back pain. You could, you could say, like you could imagine yourself realistically, I'm going to I'm going to go out there and I'm going to I'm noticing myself when I raise my hands above my head, and I start to get that pain.
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Chris
Come on. More intensely. I can see myself just stopping, moving, doing some movement, some rotations, all that sort of stuff. I'll put my arms down and then I'll get back, like, can you notice yourself doing it that way is another example of visualisation. And then you could also add on to that over time is by doing what feels just said, like, I, I see myself not having any, any pain when I go do this.
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Chris
I, I think there's two ways that you could go about this.
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Filly
Yeah. But essentially, if you think back to the motor and sensory cortex of the brain, cortex of the brain that holds the virtual map of all the sensations in your body, to do this so that the result is zero pain, you do want to imagine zero pain.
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Chris
Yeah. Okay. Cool.
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Filly
But it's graded as well. So to get there, it might be. Oh, there's still a little bit, but if I shift my body like this, that kind of like, eases it, that that's okay. If it's still even easing it, they'll still be a virtual map that, oh, we still have some pain, which is if that's what you want, that's what you imagine.
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Filly
If you want it to be zero pain, you want to get to zero pain, imagination. Yes. Love. Exactly. So imagining, practising, visualising, being that healed version of yourself. If anyone and I know some people have done the 21 day rewire, part of that when you get to it is spending some time can even be like just a minute 60s of imagining your future self.
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Filly
And that could be three months from now or five years. It doesn't really matter. But it's the same, same technique because what you're imagining becomes your reality. Reality? And what we're doing specifically tonight is like literally changing the way that your brain is mapping your body and your sensations. Yeah.
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Chris
Just Fiona's one. But it's okay to actually have some pain before I start the physical action.
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Filly
Yeah. You're doing it in your imagination. Yeah. So you probably will have physical pain in reality, because that's then why you would practice it. To then not have it in reality. Is that was that your question? Like you have pain. Yeah. Or you can come off mute if that. If it's easier.
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Chris
You know, if you know. I think you're good to go.
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Filly
Are you able to unmute?
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Chris
I can do that.
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Filly
Yeah, I think I think I'm jumping ahead a little bit. Yeah. You go. Yeah, I think I'm jumping ahead a little bit. What I'm getting at is, look, I want to be able to hang the washing out without pain. So I'm going to be visualising, visualising that occurring. But like, obviously the pain is there in the first place.
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Filly
And this makes it worse. So, struggles trying to think how probably just wait and see what you know. But you know, you know what I mean? Like you said, instead of it's not something that you everything's fine and then I'll do something. Oh that hurts. It's like pain is already there. Yeah.
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Filly
I'm sorry. Yeah, we'll we'll go through that. Jen, usually you would start off with just one movement. So, so if we're talking about back pain it would be get really comfortable with that one movement and imagining doing that one movement or task without pain. When I was doing this for chronic back pain, it was really hard to do that because the moment I got into the process, I'm just like, oh, and now I'm seeing myself do this and this, and now I'm doing cartwheels on the beach, and now I'm doing this without pain.
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Filly
And it was fun because it it worked. It kind of depends on, where you're at in terms of imagining. So the more that you practice this, the more that your, your new reality opens up to you. So it might even, you know, they'll there'll be other movements and stuff that you can imagine as well. And you can do that at the same time, if that.
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Filly
But like you.
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Filly
Yeah. So even like existing causes pain.
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Filly
So yeah. Well it would be like maybe it's even like starting from the very first part of your day, you wake up and you sit up out of bed, and that might be a good place to start because then it's going to trickle on throughout the day.
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Filly
Thanks.
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Filly
Yeah. Cool.
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Chris
Catherine, one when I had laryngitis in school. You might have to read that when I had glasses.
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Filly
When I had laryngitis in high school, I imagine seeing my performance and acted it out. So when my voice came back, I felt super prepared. Yes, yes. Yeah. Not just athletes that any type of performance you can improve using this type of mode. Right. I kind of do this when going to work in one particular class, one that I really do not like working in, and imagine that it is a great lesson with no issues and really feeling into the feeling of walking out of the classroom.
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Filly
Like sigh. That was like that was a great lesson. It helps to settle the stress result response. Yes. So cool. And connect back to your win that you had at the start that you shared that you're feeling more flowing in work. So it's working so good. All right. What do you mean David. Doesn't this put heavy pressure on you?
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Filly
In terms of like responsibility to heal yourself?
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Filly
Yeah. You will one day die. Do you want to have a great, pain free, calm, wonderful, Sparky, joyful life? Or do you want to have a crappy life and then die?
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Chris
I guess, you know, nihilism like that, that, there's no point. The this is life has no inherent meaning. So. So who cares? Like, to me, that's. I've never vibed with that. I've never, I've never agreed with with that viewpoint because I think that I believe one. What I believe that life does have meaning. And and to, I think you can, you can make something of, of your life and and I.
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Chris
Yes, we're mortal and yes, we're we're gonna die. But from personal experience and and also that that's what feeling and I am and that's our primary message, is that you don't have to be a a zombie dead, but still living. You know, you can actually not just be alive, but you can thrive. I have all faith that Fiona will walk out to the washing washing line, lift her arms above her head, or maybe maybe even get a stool and so she doesn't have to lift her arms up above her head.
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Chris
And maybe she'll have a washing line that she doesn't have to lift up her arms. Maybe the maybe the point is something else entirely. But I believe wholeheartedly that there is there is a way for Fiona to to not make things worse by hanging, doing something basic like hanging out the washing. Family believe that. And she's going to die.
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Chris
Sorry, Fiona. One day is going to happen.
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Filly
One day you will die. Look, I like I like that you put that in there, David, though, because this is the experience. I. I have a feeling that you're feeling a sense of heaviness having this conversation, which the. I've just put in a word doc and this is all part of it. It's like, how does this feel for you as you're entertaining the thought, the possibility, the reality, the belief that you can be fully well, and just like everyone pop in the chat box, I'm curious and just be completely honest.
00:30:26:16 - 00:30:34:07
Filly
How do you just everything that we've covered so far, if you could put that in one word, how is it making you feel?
00:30:34:09 - 00:31:00:11
Chris
I just see, this is this is a, like with all the love that I can muster, this is a defeatist, victim mentality. Victims have no, no agency. No choice in the matter. Something is going to get you. Is. I think that I can walk down the street and something's not going to get me.
00:31:00:12 - 00:31:01:03
Filly
00:31:01:11 - 00:31:06:10
Chris
But a victim would think that something's going to get me.
00:31:06:12 - 00:31:30:18
Filly
Yeah, and that's just a that's just like a piece of data that it's like, without looking at that with judgement. It's, this is coming up for me. What might that mean? And how can I break through that in order to get have a beautiful and happy and wonderful and healthy life? Awesome. Yeah. Cool. Inspired. Powerful. Yes.
00:31:30:18 - 00:31:57:16
Filly
Optimistic. Hopeful. Hopeful. Empowered. Excited. Now again, we actually recorded a podcast. I think it'll be going out in August, maybe in a couple of weeks. But we shared this really quickly on the podcast that Chris came out this morning and he said, oh, what are we going to do? And I'm like, what are you talking about? Kelsey, this is our youngest speaker.
00:31:57:18 - 00:32:03:01
Filly
She's just like, she's so tough.
00:32:03:03 - 00:32:03:15
Chris
Can you speak.
00:32:03:15 - 00:32:28:06
Filly
Soft? Sorry, everybody. If your eardrums ignite the children. Oh, okay. Sorry. She. She's fine. She's watching a movie. And I'm over here at my Zen water filter, filling up my cup of filtered water, and I'm like, what are you talking about? She's plentiful. She's so cute. She's very easy to manipulate in a really loving, kind way because, like, she's like little putty in my hands.
00:32:28:08 - 00:32:40:01
Filly
So Chris and I like just into him. I just wanted to share that where it's like a bunch of people are feeling excited, hopeful, optimistic about this. And then some other people or person.
00:32:40:03 - 00:32:44:12
Chris
And then feeling heavy. And then what did you say to me? You said, I think this is a new issue.
00:32:44:12 - 00:32:48:17
Filly
And like I said, I don't think this is an LC issue. I think this is a new issue.
00:32:48:18 - 00:33:08:18
Chris
Yeah. And then I thought and then I said, okay, well frustration with others, a frustration with yourself. What am I making this mean about me. You know, like I, I just said the same thing I tell you guys today and and then I just thought, yeah, okay, cool. So guess what? I fast forward quick quick quick sticks.
00:33:08:18 - 00:33:33:01
Chris
You get straight to the the crux of it. Okay. I'm unlovable. Is my deepest root cause. So if I don't have, if my daughter doesn't listen to me, then I'm not being loved. I'm not being respected. I've. I've wanted to be a dad, since well before I met my wife. I want to be the best dad that I possibly could be.
00:33:33:03 - 00:33:51:19
Chris
But here's my daughter not loving me. What is this? What is her behaviour you got to do with her loving, not loving me. And then that gave me some some cause for introspection. And it was really nice. And then I'll let go of it. Saw it differently. And when she got home from school, I'll just say, yeah, I'm really good.
00:33:52:01 - 00:33:58:05
Chris
Yeah, yeah, I really good time. So it just, it just.
00:33:58:07 - 00:34:10:09
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Frustration with all the frustrations of, So what am I making this mean about me, being so quick?
00:34:10:11 - 00:34:32:11
Filly
We're going to move on to the how to. David bit happy to come back to that question or thought bubble that popped up at the end. All right. Sorry, I have put in the word, a word doc. Hopefully that works. Just let me know if you've been able to open up that word doc that I put in.
00:34:32:13 - 00:35:02:03
Filly
That has all the same questions that we're going to go through in the slides. And I've done it as a word doc. So you can just quickly into your thoughts into that, or you can use the chat box as well, or a piece of paper. Okay. So again, if you were here a few weeks ago, listen back to the recording to the Breaking Trigger Response workshop, you probably already know a bunch of things that are your triggers, so you kind of want to start there.
00:35:02:05 - 00:35:27:03
Filly
And then just select like for the purpose of today. And even if you are like, okay, I'm really going to practice this, say for the next week or so, selecting one activity slash trigger from your list that you'd like to re-engaging. So just give you like a couple of minutes to kind of think about that. And maybe pop in the chat box to when you've got something.
00:35:27:03 - 00:35:32:22
Filly
So we know when we're good to move on.
00:35:32:23 - 00:35:46:11
Filly
And if you need some examples again, I'll pop the word doc in the thing again. Mark. There it is.
00:35:46:13 - 00:35:51:19
Chris
So it's just in the chat at the moment.
00:35:51:21 - 00:36:15:12
Filly
So response like Aaron's was a really good example that even the what was it the thought of? I saw someone touching me, I get nauseous. So just so in the word doc or whatever you're writing on, have a little bit of a brainstorm and we'll probably just do maybe three minutes or something just so that you can get some information out.
00:36:15:12 - 00:36:22:23
Filly
So not really paying attention to your sensations, emotions that come up.
00:36:23:01 - 00:36:31:14
Filly
Yeah. Okay. Fiona already thinking about the dairy. The heart is racing. A big one for me.
00:36:31:16 - 00:36:33:15
Filly
Okay, you can put there. Oh, that's.
00:36:33:15 - 00:36:50:02
Filly
Just. Wow. That's a big piece of cheese. Yeah. Okay, so this is cool because as you're starting to Google search some images, you might actually find that, oh, that tiny slice of Camembert cheese. Yeah I feel okay with that.
00:36:50:02 - 00:36:51:05
Filly
But whoa.
00:36:51:07 - 00:37:22:05
Filly
When that cheese dig it in my head pops off into my awareness. It's like, no, and really, you want to get comfortable? First of all, looking at those, even if it's a bit of a cartoon example of the trigger to just feel really comfortable around that. And you might also notice maybe some memories pop up, you might notice some stories or some beliefs, or soon secondary gains that pop off as you think about and look at these other images.
00:37:22:08 - 00:37:24:17
Chris
That was the cheese.
00:37:24:19 - 00:37:29:11
Filly
The cheese.
00:37:29:13 - 00:37:55:19
Filly
At school, we pick readers that kids can read. 98% say they experience success at reading and can then go up a level I. Yeah, good. So essentially, essentially that's what you are starting to do when you're doing the graded motor imagery. It's start off small like what's what's the smallest thing that I could start imagining to integrate into my life that isn't going to cause any issues.
00:37:55:21 - 00:38:18:18
Filly
So going back to the cheese example, maybe it might be actually and this is what I did to overcome dairy issues. And now I freely eat it whenever I want to without any issues, is what I was richly imagining at first. And I was doing that not at night, like for a few weeks before I even tried actually eating it.
00:38:18:20 - 00:38:38:07
Filly
But I didn't choose to eat that fast. I chose to eat, I think it was sheep's yoghurt or cheese, because that's usually less reactive to the general population anyway, and then build it up from there. Can you bring up the slide?
00:38:38:09 - 00:38:45:04
Chris
I was having fun. Wrong on and do do do do.
00:38:45:09 - 00:39:15:08
Filly
So this last question at the end, especially if you're having a physical sensation or feelings of anxiousness and probably even stuff with the sadness as well, just imagining and to start off imagining someone else performing that task. And if you're now at a stage where you're imagining yourself and you're feeling overwhelmed or anxious, or you're having a physical sensation that you don't want, stop.
00:39:15:08 - 00:39:42:16
Filly
Take a breath and ask yourself, can looking at images of other people and imagining myself doing this, is this actually harming my body's tissues? And so? So the more that you can send those signals that it's like, no, it's completely safe just to look at other people doing the thing and then me imagining it, that starts rewiring the brain to say, oh, okay.
00:39:42:16 - 00:39:57:17
Filly
So it's it's changing the map of your sensory and motor cortex, part of the brain. Okay. Any any. Catherine, think you got a question?
00:39:57:19 - 00:40:21:14
Chris
I think it was. It was about Fiona's, like my story to Fiona. Like, could I choose this? I avoid lunges because they cause right knee pain. Same. But the pain is from an old in college injury. Same, did you get it from slam dunking as well? Catherine?
00:40:21:16 - 00:40:21:22
Filly
But.
00:40:21:22 - 00:40:27:17
Chris
Yes, but but. Oh, sorry, I was I was just going to say like go like go like went. Why not.
00:40:27:23 - 00:40:30:07
Filly
00:40:30:09 - 00:40:55:23
Filly
There's a lady. Oh I follow her on Instagram. Her name's Kate. Can't think of her handle I came across here recently. I mean these types of people always show up in my feed magically must do the algorithm. She's got thousands I don't know maybe 100 or 200,000 followers, a big following. But when I started reading her content, even even her.
00:40:55:23 - 00:41:20:02
Filly
So she still has. She still has bulged discs in her spine. She has knees that don't have college. She was told, as most people are, that you're going to be in pain for the rest of your life and you just have to manage it. But now she still has physical, structural issues showing up on MRIs and scans.
00:41:20:04 - 00:41:50:08
Filly
And she uses these techniques and nervous system regulation, and she has no pain. So so it's possible because it's not just the pain starts in like if we're thinking about the knee, for example, and you have an injury, it starts in the body. But the brain then takes over and continues sending those signals to the knee. For example, even though the knee might be healed or it's out of the acute inflammation phase.
00:41:50:10 - 00:42:01:17
Filly
Yeah, that just blew my mind cause I'm like, oh, wow. Okay. My belief around chronic pain has even just changed even more. You can still have a bone disc and not being pain. Cool. Okay.
00:42:01:19 - 00:42:05:16
Filly
You.
00:42:05:18 - 00:42:15:11
Chris
Deb haven't restarted walking as an exercise for a few months, however. Yes, that's why 40 minutes for my car walked around the block stopping at a couple of shops and no PM.
00:42:15:13 - 00:42:44:13
Filly
Okay, any questions with the, the worksheet in the word doc and the questions that we've had on the slides, any questions that you've had so far? I am mindful of time that it is 8:00 so you can continue brainstorming, looking at images, paying attention to the sensations, emotions, feelings that come up for you. And responding to those questions.
00:42:44:15 - 00:43:14:00
Filly
But I did want to finish off with taking you through a guided, graded modal imagery process where you're taking all that information that you've just brainstormed and close our eyes and entering to the unconscious to create some, some deeper unconscious change, which has been creating neural pathway rewiring at a deeper level.
00:43:14:02 - 00:43:24:04
Filly
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00:43:24:06 - 00:43:42:13
Chris
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