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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending body Burnout show. We are your host, Chris and Filly, co-founders of a multi winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, business, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body. Get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Chris
Oh, greetings and salutations. Welcome to this episode of the Ending body Burnett Show. It is Chris and Phil here. We have got to connect the dots episode for you today. Now, I don't know how to pronounce this, but, we're going to be connecting something that is new to me. And, Filly, how do you pronounce this?
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Filly
Masto sesterces.
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Chris
Masto sesterces.
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Filly
Also known as mast cell syndrome, which will probably be more on people's awareness in terms of what masto sister cities radio.
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Chris
All right. So thank you so much everybody for joining us. What what are we going to talk about first?
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Filly
So yeah. So so I mean, if you have been listening to our podcast for a while, I'm sure you would have heard it connect the dots. But for those who might just be joining us just for this. Well, welcome. Welcome. We run different types of episodes on our podcast. It's almost kind of like a TV show, really different themes, different.
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Filly
And our TV show. But today we're actually taking a listeners case. She has sent through an application form, and she's given us lots of information around some health issues. She's currently struggling with. And in these connect the dots, we put our detective hats on, and we're connecting the dots of health symptoms and identifying potential physical body system imbalances, as well as deeper metaphysical root causes.
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Filly
And really, opening up a conversation around how you could look at this in a really holistic way. So we are going to be focusing on health anxiety, a body that is very hyper reactive and master stasis or mast cell syndrome. And this is from the lovely Belinda. So thank you so much for sending in your case and letting us investigate this on our podcast today.
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Filly
And if you do want your own case review, you can jump down to the show notes. There's an application form link that you can fill in, and we can, review your case on a Connect the Dots episode. Or you can also start your journey for real by booking in for a live connect the dots and initial consult with me, and you can also check out their A link there.
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Filly
When this podcast goes out, my calendar might not actually be opening. I might not have any available spots if there is a jump on one, but the reason for that is we will be very close to opening our doors to our ending body burn out method. So I think we'll be about three weeks away by the time that this episode releases.
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Filly
In which case, when you join the program, your very first one on one is with me and we will connect the dots inside the ending body burn out method so you can check out all of that in the show notes. All right. So before we jump into the case, just as always, because we are taking a real, real life case and workshopping it on the episode is that this is just for informational educational purposes only.
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Filly
It doesn't replace having an official consult with us or, you know, with another practitioner or medical doctor. So what we're discussing today isn't coming from a place of advice giving. It's more, education, allowing, planting some seeds and looking at these really common health issues, especially things like health anxiety and hyperactivity from a holistic deep root root cause lens.
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Filly
Okay. Sorry. Let's dive in to some of these symptoms that this lovely woman is struggling with at the moment. So she did mention, that she has health anxiety and she feels like this manifests as psychosomatic type symptoms. So one day she'll wake up with heavy legs, the next day she'll feel short of breath. The next day she'll feel numbness.
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Filly
The next day she'll feel shaky and her heart will be racing. Like she said, she's almost conquered that one, so that's awesome. This also some other symptoms that can show up a brain fog. Light-Headedness. And she said she also has a lot of allergies due to the condition Mr. Hysteresis that was diagnosed in 2016. Now, in her words, she says, I deep down believe that I don't have this or that I can beat this and then I can live normally again.
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Filly
But with all my research and trials, my blood tests still show elevated triptans, which is part of the condition. And I have the mast cell spots on my skin to confirm. So we'll dig into that from a belief point of view later on when we get to the metaphysical root causes. But that's yeah, I love that she wrote that.
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Filly
I deep down believe I don't have this. However, I'm also there's like evidence to that showing that my body has this. What do I do with this information? She also said that her anxiety, and her allergic responses closely mimic each other. So it sounds like they're happening in tangent. If she's feeling really anxious, her body will flare up and show off is allergic responses and there might even be something happening.
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Filly
Vice versa. Her body might be feeling very, hyper reactive and then that can set off the anxiety. She also mentioned that she's been hospital in hospital three times in the last two years, which is, I think just evidence of that. This is quite a consuming experience for this woman. It's not just I have a few little health symptoms.
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Filly
It sounds like it's really affecting her life. And the last time was in January of this year. It was. And it really triggered the bad health anxiety that she developed back in her early 20s when she had a health scare.
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Filly
Okay, so that's everything that's going on.
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Chris
Yeah, I just want to have a scroll and just make sure I've got all that. Yeah. Cool, cool, cool.
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Filly
Listen, okay, so when I'm, when I'm working with a client and I'm having a connect the dots session with them, I always like to get an indication of when symptoms first started. So what was the onset, what was happening leading up to it and around the time? And also, what the person has tried so far.
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Filly
So in terms of onset, Belinda said in her early 20s, she woke up one morning with a severe or very severe weed headache and difficulty breathing. And ever since then, she has had health anxiety on and off. And it's been made worse with the mast cell diagnosis in 2016. So it sounds like things started around the 20s.
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Filly
But even before that, I had anxiety before this and can remember when I was 16 years old being petrified of dying going on my first plane trip. So if this woman was in our presence in real life and we had the opportunity of asking more questions, I dig into childhood as well and teen life to determine where is this anxiety coming from?
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Filly
And also, like what patterns, what programming are you running? What was it like growing up in your family? What was school life like? Because that would give us heaps of data around what led to this point where the, the straw broke the camel's back for a want of a better staying sane.
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Chris
Saying a better staying.
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Filly
Safe, saying, yeah, okay. And then in terms of what was happening leading up. So she said she was under really high stress before the first health scare in her early 20s. The doctor I saw said I had a bad virus. So it sounds like she had a real physical. Can, virus sickness. But then it then caused a health scare.
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Filly
I don't have enough information around what happened with this health scare and what the doctors might have said or what our experience was maybe in a hospital, but it sounds like there's some medical trauma there, which wired the brain to start looking for all the reasons why the body was going to get sick again. Or, worse.
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Filly
And she said, during this time I developed anxiety after because I lost trust with my body and my health. And this is a really key piece to this puzzle, this this very small phrase. I lost trust in my body and my health, which will come back to later when we get to metaphysical, deeper root causes. She also mentioned that she was in an abusive relationship when she got diagnosed with the masto in 2016, and this is a really high stress time in her life.
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Filly
So there was also mental, emotional, life stresses and abusive trauma, which would have just caused so much heightened tension in this woman's brain and body.
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Filly
And will come full circle back to all of that very shortly in terms of what she's tried so far. So again, this is another key question I always ask any client when I'm having a connect the dots. It's like, so what have you tried so far? Because we're big fans of not reinventing the wheel, Connect the Dots is really like the most valuable piece of it.
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Filly
Connect the dots. Initial consult, when done in real time, is we can look at the missing pieces. It's like, what? Haven't you tried? Or maybe what have you tried? But why did your body not respond to that protocol? Or, what caused you to stop doing X, Y, and Z? And we can really get to the nitty gritty of the missing pieces that have prevented someone from being able to heal.
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Filly
Based on all the things I've tried in the past. So in terms of treatment, this woman said she's currently blaming her symptoms on anxiety and trying to conquer them. Again, it's language we're going to come back to. All of this is is really key piece to the puzzle as well. She says. She's researched and tried almost everything to beat my anxiety, and she is now exhausted.
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Filly
She's restricted everything. She eats and drinks, she's ditched chemicals and all the toxic cleaning products. She's worked with specialists who treat mistresses dosis, and she's discussed with him that she thinks she just needs to reset her body and her gut health, which is really interesting. But and this is in the application form. But he strongly advised me to not do that, but I believe this is the answer.
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Filly
So this is very, interesting. I'm assuming this practice, she's this is a medical doctor that she's working with the medical specialist. I'll talk. Really? I'll talk more about gut health and master cystitis and allergies and hyper reactivity really soon. But what I wanted to mention right now is that this is a sign that this woman is listening to herself, which is great.
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Filly
There's so much hope there to be able to heal. She hasn't given up, or given over to the authorities. But also, this experience can I don't know, I'm kind of thinking about people who might be listening to this into. You might have gone to immediate medical doctor and suggested something a bit alternative that might be outside of their scope of their toolbox, and you've kind of been brushed aside.
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Filly
Essentially that's gaslighting. It can cause medical trauma. It can, cause more like or for that person, they might collect more evidence of a lack of autonomy over their body, which can cause more confusion, and it can block you from healing. So I think that this is an important piece to what's happening here as well. Okay.
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Filly
There's lots of other information that she gave. I'll just see if I can condense this. So she has been on medication, for the mastery, and she's taken iron supplements, and then she had a really bad reaction to something, whether it was the iron supplement or the medication or a combo of both. But that put her into hospital again.
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Filly
She's very sensitive to red colour in different formulas or foods or medication and. Yeah, so, so this definitely isn't a woman who hasn't been trying to get better, but it sounds like all the things that she's tried to internally put into her mouth, whether it's through medication.
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Chris
But did you just say this is not a woman who's trying to get a this.
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Filly
Is a woman?
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Chris
Sorry. Yeah.
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Filly
This is a woman.
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Chris
So you can see she's trying. She wants to she she's trying.
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Filly
Yeah, trying. Trying very hard. And it sounds like a lot of the internal things she's putting into her body. So medication, even supplements that might have different colours, preservatives in them, it's causing a lot of reactions. So this is a sign of a brain body, immune system that's on high alert. And it's a common pattern in those who respond negatively to medication and supplements.
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Filly
So which can be really frustrating because it's like I'm trying and I'm like taking advice of all of these people and these things help other people. But why is my body responding to them? And it can cause a bit of a hopeless spiral for some people as well, because then it's like, well, what else is there? I don't know, like I'm doing all the things that should help, but it's actually making me feel worse.
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Filly
She's also tried some mental emotional support. So talking to a counsellor on the phone, she's seeing a psychologist. She's tried meditation, distraction, mindfulness, positive thinking, lots of little tricks. Like cold water, the dive method, rubber band on my wrist. But still struggling with the health anxiety and the allergies. Okay, this is super interesting. At the end of, of the question around like, what have you tried.
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Filly
She did. Right. Sorry for writing so much. In short, I believe that chronic health anxiety has caused my symptoms and I'm looking for a permanent solution because I have lost too much of my life worrying about all of this. This is a really common anxiety pattern and a really common perfectionism pattern. To feel like one needs to share it all.
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Filly
Like share everything. It's like, oh, if I miss a piece of information, then I'm not going to get the solution right now that I want. And then feeling like they have to apologise for it.
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Filly
So so that's again, like when we get to the metaphysical side of things, it's just kind of like the way you do anything is the way you do everything. So if there's this perfectionism pattern, this I need to share all of it. But then I feel like, I don't know, maybe I'm too much now I have to apologise for it.
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Filly
It's like chronic dysregulation happening 24 seven, if that is the way that one is living their life. What I do love about this, short paragraph is the last part, the last statement where she's looking for a permanent solution. So she can live and enjoy her life. So they're still they're still wanting, they're still hoping, which means that one can heal.
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Filly
Okay, so let's break this down. So we'll look at, what, some physical imbalances that would be worth looking at and worth supporting that could be leading to these symptoms and conditions. And then we'll tap into deeper metaphysical, patterns and programming and beliefs. And we want to end off with some really tangible things that, like you could take away.
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Filly
And by you, we're not just talking to the listener who sent in this case, I feel like this will be there. There are many things in this case that I think many people will resonate with. Okay, so you can't have symptoms without there being some sort of body system imbalance or burnout. So let's look at the body systems first.
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Filly
It sounds like Belinda has done a lot of medical system testing and trading and also a lot of lifestyle support or changes. So she mentioned doing diets and going low talks. You know, a meditating, but there's no mention of doing any functional medicine, lab testing or natural medicine support. So I thought we'd start here. And let's start off with health anxiety, because this sounds like it was the first major symptom that showed up early in her 20s or even in her teen years, which then became caused a cascade effect of other symptoms and conditions.
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Filly
So when I think about anxiety, I always think about two main areas. First, so especially for this case. So I'd be thinking about the adrenals and also the brain. So it sounds like this woman is in a very hyper vigilant state. And it's showing up physically in the body too. So it's not just in her thought patterns, but now her immune system is in a heightened state as well.
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Filly
Or it's taking a bunch of stuff is unsafe and leading to mast cell overreaction. So I'd definitely be thinking about looking at the adrenals because the adrenals are going to be secreting cortisol, which is your fight flight freeze likes your stress hormone, and also DHEA, which helps to balance and regulate cortisol. And so if, if there is adrenal fatigue, then it can exacerbate health anxiety or anxiety in general because your physical part of you struggles to self-regulate if those hormones are out of whack or really depleted.
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Filly
I'd also think about, testing some really key neurotransmitters, which are really important for mental health. So serotonin would be the first one that I'll think about. First of all. So serotonin is lovely. It's for safety and peace and calm and having really good restorative sleep at night. And if that neurotransmitter depletes, then you don't have that lovely brain chemical to be able to compensate.
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Filly
When you're feeling stress. So it's obviously something stressful might happen, whether it's perceived a real stress or something inside or outside of you. If serotonin is really depleted, then it's really hard to just kind of like, I don't know, reframe or thought pattern your way out of the experience of feeling unsafe because serotonin is essentially safety.
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Chris
You can't like you can't logic out of it. It's like you can't, hey, let's let's just have a conversation about this. Like you're being silly. Relax.
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Filly
Yeah. Yeah. It's like your brain, your conscious brain might hear that, but if you're not then able to create the lovely feeling of safety, which is what serotonin provides you with, then your body doesn't feel safe.
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Chris
It's like when, I was playing basketball and the referee would say, listen, Chris, you need to calm down. I'll be like, I am cop.
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Filly
Really struggling to reduce serotonin right now in the middle of this, basketball when I'm probably producing a lot of adrenaline. So that would be another. Do I transmit adrenaline similar to cortisol in that it's like you're it's always sensing for danger. People use the term I'm living on adrenaline, but that's usually like when they risk taking, they're about to jump off a cliff and you know, your body is producing all these, fight, flight, freeze hormones.
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Filly
And domain's really important for mental health as well. So if domain and adrenaline are depleted because you're you have been using a lot of it initially when there is a lot of chronic stress, anxiety, over time those neurotransmitters deplete and then you can show up as feeling even more symptomatic. I'd also be thinking about nutrients as well. So a couple of weeks ago we did a a whole episode on vitamin B6 and vitamin BS is so important for mental health, especially vitamin B6.
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Filly
I'd also be thinking about some genetic mutations that might, that are often linked with health and health anxiety and also mast cell syndrome. So there's a genetic mutation called the MT HFR mutation. We've done a whole episode of that in the past as well, where essentially your body burns through Vitamin B's and even amino acids faster than, say, someone without the mutation expressing, and I've say not linked with health anxiety very often.
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Filly
And also there's another condition called pyros, where your zinc copper ratio is out of whack. Zinc soft and low copies high, so that zinc deficiency can affect mental health and there's a bunch of other nutrients. But I would be thinking about that. The next area of the body, would be the gut. So we have our beautiful gut and our beautiful brain, and there is a nerve called the vagus nerve that runs from the brain down to the gut, and it's essentially sending signals back and forth from got to brain, got to brain.
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Filly
So if there's anything, despite all the work in the gut, nasty pathogens, overgrowing, leaky gut, inflammation in the gut that will be sending constant signals 24/7 to the brain, which can exacerbate weight, and cause things like anxiety. And I don't want to say, well, that's just the only thing because we also know there was relationship abuse.
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Filly
There was health, or hospital medical trauma. Like there's a bunch of other real life stuff that has happened in the past, too. But I think about all of these imbalances, inflammation and stress as a stress bucket. So if the stress bucket gets too high because of all the different things that are happening inside of you and outside of you, then at some point it's going to show up as, symptomatic.
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Filly
So they're they're the cool areas I'd look at from a physical point of view for the health anxiety. And all of these are going to link to the master cystitis or the mast cell syndrome and the allergies that she was mentioning, and the hyper reactivity that her body has against supplements and medication. And, her gut feeling that it's connected to her gut health is probably correct.
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Filly
I think I would be very surprised if there wasn't something going on in the gut that is affecting this condition. So for those who don't know much about MSL, or master assist us sis doses like Chris.
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Chris
That, you know, I was like.
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Filly
Yeah, so this.
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Chris
Or the other, our I'm not 100% in that camp because I did a little bit of reading on this.
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Filly
Well, I think the more I talk about it, the more you'll actually recognise that.
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Chris
Little army of defence mechanisms in your body.
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Filly
Do no more than what you know. Make them what you think you know.
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Chris
Yeah. Yes. I just like to break it down into the into the Chris Cave man.
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Filly
Okay, well, let me give you my scientific, explanation and then you can break it down even further if it's not broken down enough.
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Chris
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Filly
So basically it's it is a rare disorder. It's characterised by, an abnormal accumulation of mast cells in one or more organs. So these mast cells, which are normally part of the immune system, can accumulate in the skin or the bone marrow or other organs. And mast cells are essentially little immune cells. We all have them.
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Filly
It's not everyone has them. It becomes an issue when your body's producing too much of them. And the mast cells so that part of your immune system, they're also your body's alarm system. So they're always looking out for harmful invaders, like, first and foremost, viruses, bacterial pathogens, parasites. And when they recognise something harmful, they send out signals that are open up your blood vessels and fill your tissues with fluid and cause your muscles to contract in your GI tract and also your airways.
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Filly
So sometimes they, activated when they actually shouldn't be or too activated for too much of the time in compared to a body that has healthy mast cell activation and a really common symptom of this is allergic type reactions and other hyperactive immune responses. So essentially it's an autoimmune condition where your immune system becomes, even reactive.
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Filly
And it's tagging things as unsafe. Now, it might be tagging a bunch of things that are unsafe as unsafe, like, you know, parasites, for example. But what happens with Messel syndrome is that it becomes overreactive. So it actually starts tagging things that are fine, that is safe as unsafe. And that's where people can start developing reactions to things like, healthy foods, especially like foods high in histamine.
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Filly
Supplements that your body clearly needs on a lab, but, you know, responding to them in a positive way, stuff like that. So it's it's very closely associated to histamine intolerance, but it's kind of like histamine intolerance on steroids where your body's producing too much histamine. Is that caveman appropriate or do you want to break it down even further?
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Chris
What I would do you tell me if this sounds okay, Manny, I would say, yeah, a little militia. Little militia in in your in your in your body. Little, bunch of minutemen who, who can spring up at any time you live with them all the time. And then at some point when you need them most, they jump up and they go, oh, we need to protect.
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Chris
We need to, we need to serve. We need to make this make this okay. And, you know, I've, I've often done this, in my imagination, like, if there was a zombie apocalypse, what would I do in my community? I would, I would barricade this entrance into our town and I would blah, blah, blah, and I would, I would set up defence systems and crossfire and blah, blah, blah.
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Chris
You mast cells do the same sort of thing. Yeah. In your body. Perfect. Yeah, yeah. Zombies and militia. Yeah. Found its way into this podcast.
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Filly
Yeah. And it's just it's just now dysfunctional and then. Yeah appropriately tagging unsafe things.
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Chris
It's like, that movie Civil War. You probably haven't seen that. But then they, then they took it to the extreme. Yeah. Yeah. You're just yapping with me but.
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Filly
Yeah I don't know what you told you that. Oh hell the tables have turned okay. So some common symptoms of mastitis, hysteresis. It can show up in the skin so people can feel itchy flushing hives, reddish brown spots or patches, which is what, this lady was referring to, can often show up, in the gut as well, because the gut houses a bunch of mast cells as well.
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Filly
So abdominal pain, diarrhoea, nausea, vomiting, really common. It can show up in the musculoskeletal system. So you can have muscle aches, bone, bone pain. It can also show up in your, mental emotional health, depression, mood changes, problem concentrating, anxiety. And also a bunch of other things too. So anaemia can be associated with this condition. Bleeding disorders, enlarged liver, l'Espagne, spleen and in some severe cases people can have anaphylaxis.
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Filly
So that's the severe allergic reaction. Reaction. And not everyone with mast cell syndrome has all of these symptoms. And some people do. So if I was doing some investigation looking okay from a physical body systems point of view, what's under this this mast cell overreaction that's happening in this person's body. So there is a really strong link between stress, trauma and nervous system dysregulation heightening the immune system, leading to, mast cell overproduction.
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Filly
So I feel that, Belinda is definitely on the money in terms of feeling like her anxiety is triggering the mastery symptoms.
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Chris
Triggering.
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Filly
And triggering.
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Chris
Triggering. You got that trigger link.
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Filly
Slurring my speech down? Sorry. So it would be doubly important then to look at brain drain means.
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Chris
Attack my feelings.
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Filly
Through railings. Anyway, so yes, it would be important to look at the brain in the adrenals and nutrients that support mental health. So not only with this support the health anxiety, but it would then, down regulate the nervous system and the immune system can settle down. So then by default it's going to help with the and with the overproduction of histamine.
00:31:12:05 - 00:31:25:10
Filly
There's also like it's research that histamine or when you're stressed you actually produce more histamine. So there's definitely definitely a link there.
00:31:25:12 - 00:31:29:17
Chris
Yeah. You need a change from histamine to this to being.
00:31:29:19 - 00:31:35:01
Filly
I think you're getting tired. Do we need to wrap this off and continue later I love it okay.
00:31:35:02 - 00:31:41:21
Chris
Because it makes more sense. You're being histamine to yourself and you need to be more house to be.
00:31:41:22 - 00:31:43:04
Filly
I don't get it.
00:31:43:05 - 00:31:44:15
Chris
I mean I mean.
00:31:44:16 - 00:31:47:12
Filly
MBA and histamine.
00:31:47:12 - 00:31:50:17
Chris
To his to histamine to his to being kind.
00:31:50:17 - 00:31:52:09
Filly
Okay. Gotcha. Now I get it.
00:31:52:11 - 00:31:54:16
Chris
Come on guys.
00:31:54:18 - 00:32:18:08
Filly
Gut health would also be really important. So 70 to 80% of your immune system is in the gut. So the health of your immune system is going to be dictated by the health of your microbiome, say, or your beneficial bacteria, and also your secretary, IGA, which can be tested for in a stool test. Your secretary IGA or the short acronym for that is Siggy.
00:32:18:10 - 00:32:51:12
Filly
Is basically it leaves in your soft mucosal tissues, in your gut lining, as well as, other soft mucosal tissues in the rest of the body. So if that's really deflated or hyper active, then that's going to be impacting the mast cell activation. And then inflammation will trigger an immune response as well. So from a gut perspective I think about different pathogens parasites, worms, viral pathogens, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, leaky gut.
00:32:51:14 - 00:33:18:01
Filly
All of these imbalances in the gut and very inflammatory sorry. If there's that happening in the gut, then it's just putting more pressure on the immune system and when that can be addressed, then the immune system can start settling down. There's also different gut imbalances that can produce more histamine. So someone has a Candida overgrowth for example, or small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.
00:33:18:01 - 00:33:40:22
Filly
These pathogens produce histamine. Now if they're just in small amounts in your gut it's fine. You kind of just poop in them out. But if they're high then your body is producing more histamine. Well, the bugs in your body, sorry. Producing more histamine as well as your own cells are producing histamine. So any way that we can get that histamine lower down, the better.
00:33:41:00 - 00:34:05:01
Filly
And the last body system I think about as well is your detox pathways and heavy metals. So if your detox pathways aren't clearing out heavy metals or other types of chemicals are toxins from your body, then this will be another source of inflammation, another source of stress on the immune system, which can lead to an increase of mast cell production.
00:34:05:03 - 00:34:06:18
Chris
00:34:06:20 - 00:34:36:08
Filly
Okay. Let's get into the metaphysical side of things. So when we're talking about the metaphysical side of things, we're looking at things that we can't necessarily do a physical lab test on. So things like your unconscious mind, your neural pathways, your nervous system, the deep beliefs that you have about yourself, the patterns, the blocks, trauma or repressed emotion that's stuck in your cells.
00:34:36:09 - 00:35:00:04
Filly
And it's never just it's never one or the other. Especially in a case like this where there's both health anxiety, but then there's a real physical overreaction of the immune system happening. It's not it's not physical or metaphysical. It's always one or the other because you can't separate the two. The body and mind are connected. They're so intricately, intricately, quickly connected.
00:35:00:04 - 00:35:04:03
Chris
Come on, you can do it intricately connected.
00:35:04:05 - 00:35:18:15
Filly
And if we try and disconnect them and only treat one side, then it ends up being another reductionist approach which is common in traditional medical system. So we things like health anxiety and.
00:35:18:15 - 00:35:20:01
Chris
Self treatment as well.
00:35:20:01 - 00:35:20:20
Filly
Yeah.
00:35:20:22 - 00:35:31:11
Chris
Because sometimes you you'll just break it all up into chunks and you try one thing and then you try the next thing and you try and the next thing, rather than having an integrated and aligned approach.
00:35:31:11 - 00:35:44:15
Filly
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is what we're doing is we're moving into this. We're not saying do the body system stuff, all this stuff. It's actually like do it together for remarkable results and the beautiful healing.
00:35:44:15 - 00:35:57:16
Chris
And that's actually a quite tricky to just invent, a way of, of, of plugging that all together and integrating that. But, we know a way to do it.
00:35:57:18 - 00:36:03:09
Filly
And the doors to the method that is created. When is this one of these?
00:36:03:09 - 00:36:04:21
Chris
When is this podcast going life?
00:36:04:21 - 00:36:08:18
Filly
Is this it will go live. Actually, it's I think it's about the 26th of August.
00:36:08:18 - 00:36:11:11
Chris
So it's coming soon in a couple of weeks.
00:36:11:12 - 00:36:42:12
Filly
Yeah, in a few weeks, which is super exciting to our ending. We've been out method. So pop your name on the wait list. Stay tuned. Okay, so with health anxiety that's linked to an overreactive system, I always think about the limbic system, trauma loop. So this is basically a cycle where the brain's limbic system. So this is the part of the brain that is the fear response of the brain becomes hyper reactive to stimuli after chronic stress and traumatic experiences.
00:36:42:12 - 00:37:04:14
Filly
And even things like chronic levels of physical inflammation. So when when the body is been exposed to all of this, either chronically over many years or sometimes it can even be a short period of time, but very heightened stress and inflammation, the brain will get stuck in this loop, where it's where it's all it's looking for is fear and danger.
00:37:04:15 - 00:37:20:02
Filly
It's like malicious danger. Yeah, it's going back to what the cells are doing. But this time it's also in the brain. And this limbic system, trauma life is linked to PTSD and anxiety and many chronic illnesses.
00:37:20:04 - 00:37:23:04
Chris
Yeah.
00:37:23:06 - 00:37:38:00
Filly
And what happens to is it's very it's like it's actually now that you say it, when I was preparing these notes, I didn't even think about the how similar these things are that are happening in the body. So it's like he got the mast cell overreaction. That's like there's so many things that got to tag. Everything is unsafe.
00:37:38:00 - 00:38:06:04
Filly
So physically the immune system is doing that. But at the same time the brain is also doing that. And over time it starts tagging very healthy, natural, normal things is unsafe. And this can show off as things like healthy foods, even sounds in your environment, situations, environments, even like essential oils can become tagged as unsafe. And then you starting to react to them light and it becomes a really vicious cycle.
00:38:06:04 - 00:38:32:01
Filly
So the anxiety might show up first. Well, actually there's a vicious cycle happening in this case, so it sounds like there was anxiety first as a teen, then the health scare in the 20s, which led to the health anxiety and then later on in an abusive relationship. So more trauma there. And is the trauma loop compounded now it's showing up in the immune system as master cystitis.
00:38:32:03 - 00:38:59:16
Filly
So essentially this is a body that is feeling unsafe, unsafe, unsafe. And there was some of the wording that we'll go back to that we mentioned earlier. But the there's a belief pattern or a statement, I can't trust my body. So when someone says that consciously then it's definitely also an unconscious belief. It's kind of stuck in the unconscious, which makes up 95% of your mind.
00:38:59:16 - 00:39:21:14
Filly
And it's always going to manifest as reality. So. Well, if I can't trust my body, how can I heal? Like, how can I also trust the signals that it's sending to me? How can I trust what I'm putting into it? So that's actually going to block. If someone has a belief like this, it's going to block their ability to heal.
00:39:21:14 - 00:39:38:13
Filly
Even if they're trying all the things to get better. So the belief must be bright down at the start of the journey in order to be able to use any other protocols so that the body actually responds to them.
00:39:38:15 - 00:39:56:05
Chris
And then, are you going to chat about, the identity next? Yeah, yeah. But before you, before you do that, I just like to go back before the abusive relationship. Now.
00:39:56:07 - 00:40:25:08
Chris
In regards to all trauma or trauma is not. Okay. Especially let's go. Abusive relationships. Not okay. Not not cool, not great. And it's it's so such a hard thing to go through. And I just want you to to know, oh, it's as hard and as awful as, as these, these traumatic experiences, whatever they are, pick a thing.
00:40:25:08 - 00:40:31:06
Chris
Anything that that anybody might go through.
00:40:31:08 - 00:41:18:08
Chris
It's not happening now. It's a, it's a it has happened. It's back then. Yeah. Unless it's a pattern is continuing. But let's just say in this example like it's something that's happened, that event and time and those experiences pale in comparison to the repeated accumulation of times where, where you've said really hard and traumatic and abusive things to yourself about yourself unconsciously and often, if not all the time before these situations happen in in the experience, there's been, backstory and there's been a lead up into.
00:41:18:08 - 00:41:45:13
Chris
Now, I'm not saying that these events are your fault and that this person did these things because of of you. But there was there was stories that just made the it just made the conditions available. And, and, and and now you might not be able to go back and change the actual experience, but what you can definitely do is you can change your relationship with yourself.
00:41:45:15 - 00:42:11:03
Chris
And instead of, where do I want to finish this one? Yeah, let's finish it. That you can change your relationship with yourself and, and you can go back before these this abuse and before this trauma, and you can and you can look at the relationship that you had with yourself. And you can go there because that's something that you are still rolling with.
00:42:11:05 - 00:42:32:03
Chris
And you can change that. You can work on that. And therefore you start to see this experience differently. Not that it's ever not going to be, you know, it's always going to be not okay, but you'll see yourself and you'll have a better relationship with yourself. And that's the, that's the metaphysical side of things.
00:42:32:05 - 00:42:56:04
Filly
Yeah. So we go very, very deep and holistic when we work with our clients inside out ending body burnout method to rewire. So always looking at beliefs. And I just pulled out that that little saying I don't trust my body. So there's that. That's the belief is story. But there's going to be an identity based belief underneath that as well.
00:42:56:06 - 00:43:21:15
Filly
So like an I, statement and because I am this, how could I ever trust my body. So we want to get to we want to rewire at an identity level who you are. Because if you identify as someone who can't trust your body or identify someone with, you identify as someone who is sick, who is stuck, that is where you will remain.
00:43:21:15 - 00:43:46:00
Filly
So really working at a deep, unconscious level to rewire this and to separate yourself from your illness and from past events that have happened in the past as well. And then rewiring past distressing events as well. So as Chris said, you can't go back and change the actual event, but you can absolutely change how your system is holding on to it.
00:43:46:00 - 00:44:14:01
Filly
Yeah. There's so much within your power to be able to re-imagine, rewrite the story. To let it go. It's not holding onto you. You're holding onto it. And so there's a beautiful process where that you can follow, where you can finally let it go. And it's no longer part of your story anymore. I mean, it's just a shadow in the past, but it's not affecting your physiology and your mental health anymore.
00:44:14:04 - 00:45:02:09
Chris
There's been something recently in my in my life that, I haven't I don't think I've told you the exact dates, Phil, but. But where there was, there was an experience that was really, traumatic for me to go through. I've had new, new perspective. The situation wasn't okay. It wasn't right. It was really awful. But then unconsciously, I carried through those those beliefs, and I think recently I had I just a different perspective on, on this situation, people that were involved and especially around myself and, it just became just another little piece.
00:45:02:09 - 00:45:32:05
Chris
So, so there's always, there's always some sort of different belief at an identity level that you can have. And over time you can have shifts in perspective about it. And I just remember, this recent experience that, that my, my whole attitude towards, even though the experience wasn't okay, I just wanted to ram that one home. My attitude towards the person was, was very different.
00:45:32:05 - 00:45:42:19
Chris
Is is very different now. And that was a very that's a very recent thing for this one particular event. So yeah, that's changed changed my whole heaviness around it.
00:45:42:22 - 00:46:18:06
Filly
Yeah. That's cool. Okay. So we might end off with just some really practical rewiring tips I guess like obviously this won't be this will solve everything, but just some tangible things that, that you guys like listeners could work with. So anyone who identifies with currently blaming their symptoms, and trying to conquer them. And this isn't just a, like the woman who said, in this case, I know that this isn't just an isolated experience to her.
00:46:18:06 - 00:46:47:05
Filly
I know that there are a lot of people who want to who feel like their symptoms, fighting against them, and you're blaming them, and you're trying to conquer them. Yeah. So if you resonate with this, this, first of all, is really harsh. It's aggressive language. Blame conquer. And this will be doing, you know, phases, to a brain that is stuck in the limbic trauma later it will actually cause more alarm bells.
00:46:47:07 - 00:47:11:16
Filly
So instead, when symptoms pop up, here's some beautiful just reframing questions that you can gently ask yourself, or some statements that you can run through your system. So what if your body was fighting for you, not against you? Yeah, and you might even want to grab a pen after this since and pay for maybe even journal on some of these questions.
00:47:11:18 - 00:47:18:06
Filly
What if pain is a loving message?
00:47:18:08 - 00:47:52:03
Filly
And what if this pain is a deeper part of you desperately wanting to be seen and heard? And how these new frames change things for you if you started leaning into them as new truth, new beliefs. And then I'd start talking to your symptoms as if they are just a little wounded child, or the wounded child that is inside of you, desperately wanting your love and attention.
00:47:52:05 - 00:48:33:09
Filly
And this is where some really lovely re-imagination so closing your eyes, reimagining, doing some lovely somatic work with the body to allow these symptoms to talk to you, to allow them to move out of you. And three so even like this little process that I've just shared, this will help stop breaking the trigger response of the trauma loop as your nervous system in your unconscious mind will start relaxing into your care and leadership, all of a sudden will be like, oh yes, I've been trying to get your attention for so long, and now I'm actually starting to feel safe in your in your care.
00:48:33:11 - 00:48:55:02
Filly
I'm not feeling like you're trying to just conquer me and fight me away and batter me down. I'm actually feeling really safe with you. And this is like, this is safety is going to be the thing that heals. This. There is also, this statement I lost trust in my body, in health. So I don't trust my body anymore.
00:48:55:07 - 00:49:21:04
Filly
If this is a belief or a story, what makes, what makes this, this belief sticky? Are the secondary gains. So what? Payoffs? Again, this might be some journaling work. So if someone runs this story as well, I lost. I don't have trust in my body. What payoffs are you getting by holding on to this story. What secondary gains are you getting?
00:49:21:04 - 00:49:45:01
Filly
What's the worst thing about being well, what's the worst thing about fully being able to trust your body? The work we do inside the ending body ban out method. The metaphysical side of what we do is we call that spark. And ultimately, spark solves this. But a really great rewiring practice is to start collecting evidence of healing.
00:49:45:01 - 00:50:15:20
Filly
Sorry. And you can do this right now. You can start by directing your brain towards evidence that you do trust your body, and that you do have the ability to heal and be well. So by evidence, it might be, oh, today, when I look back at my day, yeah, there was a 10% improvement in my energy or oh, wow, that situation that usually causes me to freak out.
00:50:15:21 - 00:50:44:15
Filly
I felt I felt 10% better in that situation. So evidence collecting isn't I'm fully healed and I'm well and I've done it. The evidence collecting is happening as you're living your life and as you're healing, it can be also external evidence. So, look back for client stories in our podcast. That would be external evidence collecting where it's like, oh, I found a person who has similar symptoms to me, and they healed themselves.
00:50:44:17 - 00:51:14:23
Filly
They followed this process or, you know, whether it's ours or someone else's. But the more that you can say that healing is possible for others, the more you can start, saying that it could be possible for you. And then when you start internal evidence collecting, so becoming your own evidence collector for how you're thinking, how you're feeling, the changes in your symptoms, your sensations, then, and you build that over time so it won't happen immediately.
00:51:14:23 - 00:51:44:10
Filly
And it can be really hard to start looking for that evidence because your brain is going to the worst case scenario. It's like, no, we got to look at all the things that aren't working for us because that's keeping us safe when we can stay alert and hyper vigilant. But the more that you can focus on looking for how you have, you are healing and you can feel it, then your brain's going to look for more of that evidence, and then it becomes your physical reality.
00:51:44:12 - 00:52:23:20
Chris
I have I have two little tidbits here, and one is just, before you try and push these, these. Sensations symptoms away, sit with them in curiosity and concern and and care. Compassion, not condemnation. And, if you were to think of, I don't know, like a little kid or some, some, some little kid that you like, you know, or a child or friend or something like that, especially young one that's real innocent.
00:52:23:23 - 00:52:50:02
Chris
And you imagine just sitting with them and hearing them just, you know, just rattle off stuff just to hear them, just as you would the little the little kid, with compassion and care and curiosity just to hear them out and, and and don't analyse as you're, as you're going through your journaling and as you're allowing this stuff to come up.
00:52:50:02 - 00:53:17:00
Chris
Don't don't analyse, don't, don't judge. Just allow it to come up and, and whatever comes up comes up. Don't say oh no, but but that's silly or, or you try and minimise it or something like that. Just let the stuff come up that comes up, allow it to be there and and yeah, that sort of state will, will really serve you.
00:53:17:02 - 00:53:24:01
Filly
Okay. Well thank you everyone for listening. And we'll catch you on next week's episode.
00:53:24:01 - 00:53:31:18
Chris
Catch you on the next episode. See ya.
00:53:31:20 - 00:53:41:22
Filly
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00:53:42:00 - 00:54:06:05
Chris
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00:54:06:07 - 00:54:06:16
Chris
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