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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Body Burnout show. We are your host, Chris and Filly, co-founders of a multi winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, business, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body. Get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Chris
Hey guys! Welcome to this episode of the Ending Body Burnout Show episode. Is a connect the dots what it's all about endometriosis, gut issues, anxiety, depression. So we've got a listener who submitted their details to us.
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Filly
Yeah. So if you're new to this podcast, we do different types of episodes and today is a connect the dots. So essentially we've had a listener send in her case through a podcast form, and Chris and I put our detective hats on to connect the dots around her health symptoms, what might be happening at a body systems level, and what might be happening at a deeper metaphysical root cause level.
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Filly
So we're very grateful, Felicia, for being brave enough to send her, case in today. We're really excited to dig into it. If you, someone who is listening and you're like, I'd really love my case, reviewed on the episode or the podcast as well. Just head down to the show notes and there is a connect the dots application form that you can send your case to us.
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Filly
And also, this is pretty important both for the person who sent this in, but also for anyone listening that is resonating with the symptoms that we're going to dig into today. This Connect the Dots episode is for informational educational purposes only, so it doesn't replace an official console with us or with your medical doctor or practitioner. It's really coming from a place of education.
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Filly
Being able to look at your health issues from a different perspective, and also looking at these health issues from a very specific lens, which is our holistic approach to ending body burnout. So hopefully you enjoy the episode today. Okay, so let's dive into today's case. So the biggest body burnout symptoms this listener is struggling with is chronic fatigue chronic neck and pelvic pain, insomnia, depression anxiety gut issues endometriosis.
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Filly
And this lovely lady said dot dot dot, to name a few with a little emoji face that is laughing with a tear coming down the face. So I'm always when I'm looking through these application forms, I'm not just getting the information at face value. I'm looking at what else has this person said between the lines? Maybe not verbally, but in the way that the language patterns are showing up and also the use of emojis.
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Filly
So just a few things on on this sentence is when someone says to name a few, it usually means that this person has a lot going on inside their body and their mind. So this is clearly a body that is feeling dysregulated and not safe.
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Chris
A lot for them, you know, so some, some other people might not be experiencing or not being a certain way or being the way Lisa is when experiencing the same or similar sort of stuff.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Chris
So she's overwhelmed. Yeah.
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Filly
Also when people use the emoji and again, like I haven't sat down and had a consult with this, this woman who is sent in that list, no case and neither is Chris. So this is we're just speculating. If things don't resonate, that's totally okay. This is where actually the value of having a 1 to 1 coaching conversation, or practitioner consult, will help to fill in the blanks.
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Filly
But when someone has this uses this emoji around their symptoms, it's like half face smiling. I say that is a sign of self-preservation. So if I don't laugh, I'll cry. Also, it might be a little bit of self judgement. So if I laugh at myself first and all the things that I've got going on, I've gotten in first before someone else can judge me.
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Filly
So I'm just putting that in as a little, maybe a seed, or a pattern that might be showing up that there might be some fear of judgement and also probably judging self. So when someone laughs itself, it actually is a form of self judgement. Okay, I will dig into more of that sort of stuff, the more metaphysical things that are happening underneath the surface.
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Filly
In the second part of this episode, I also like to get an indication of when symptoms started. So that is another question on the form. When was the onset, what was happening around the time? And also what has the person tried so far. So we're not reinventing the wheel in this, case review we're actually looking at the missing pieces.
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Filly
So this listener said that she has had endo for, endometriosis for the past 25 years. But was it only officially diagnosed 18 months ago, which is not uncommon at all for women struggling with this issue. They'll often, you know, go to the GP. They're often prescribed the pill so endo can show up as painful periods. I'll talk a bit more about the specific symptom in a second, but it's just interesting that this is not a abnormal, experience for a woman to only be diagnosed with endometriosis decades later.
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Filly
Because the investigation of it isn't very thorough from a medical point of view. She's also been struggling with gut issues for 15 plus years.
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Chris
What does that mean? Did she say, like, specifically.
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Filly
What the official diagnosis was only 18 months ago? No, no.
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Chris
No, for gut issues. Was it just like. No.
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Filly
I don't think so. Yeah. So I'm not entirely sure. Like, is it bloating? Is it constipation? Is it heartburn? Not sure. There's also chronic neck pain. And that's been going on for ten years. And then postpartum anger depression showed up seven years ago and extreme insomnia that led to a psychotic break that had me finally start on anti-depressants 14 months ago is also like this timeline of when the symptoms started showing up.
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Filly
So this is interesting too, that when there's this build up of imbalances over many years, this is a really clear signal that her system is in such a state of fight flight. And when and shut down or freeze, maybe it's like a dysregulation and jumping between the two that when you start off with one physical health issue and then there's this combination of others, this is clearly a body that doesn't feel safe in her own body.
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Filly
And so then nervous system dysregulation shows up, which then starts breaking down different body systems, and it starts showing up as different types of symptoms in the body and also in mental health. Also, it sounds like her system was in a such a state of fight flight until 14 months ago. She literally couldn't sleep, so she had extreme some insomnia, which led to a psychotic break.
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Filly
Which then like essentially led to a shutdown of the system. So this is. Yeah, we're just painting the narrative in the story of what's happening inside this body. So some things that were leading up to these events, so very stressful pregnancies and births followed by postnatal depression, that I, this is, in her words, that I wouldn't medicate for.
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Filly
And again, I'm always curious around people's language and, the choices that they make. So, I mean, I know a lot of people in the holistic health space would prefer to treat, support, get to the root cause naturally, as opposed to using a medication as a bandaid. But I've also noticed a pattern with, a kind of like health anxiety.
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Filly
I often shows up where it's like, I'm too scared to take that thing, because then what if I get stuck on it forever and or it makes me worse? Or I try a bunch of things, medications and none of them work, then what is there left for me?
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Chris
And and the vibe that people come at natural and holistic health as well, there can be, you know, for love and self-care or, and, and giving yourself permission to be how the heck you want to be. But then I, we see it a lot is actually there's a lot of, I will not medicate for this.
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Chris
And that's coming from, state of not saying that Lisa, you were but but there can be, from a place of fear and judgement and anxiety and stress and and hatred and and, not trusting and all this sort of stuff. So the vibe is, is, is low.
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Filly
Yeah. I mean, it's can show off as a perfectionism pattern as well or like an all or nothing pattern. So perfection is in terms of like healthy, and natural is like, well, I will only do this and I will not do that. So so we're really just picking out patterns or it's showing up as patterns.
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Filly
So are there other patterns where I wouldn't medicate for this? Does that show up as a pattern in other areas of life?
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Chris
And then and then that can also be drama as well, playing into a drama and like a drama triangle, kind of thing. Victim I'm a victim here. It's the it's the aggressor. It's it's it's doing this to me. This has done this to me. I can't I've got no other options. I don't want to do that, that sort of thing.
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Chris
Yeah.
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Filly
And we say all of this with compassion and love, like it's all normal. These are just patterns that show us showing up that has a lot of data and wisdom in them. And so we're just bringing them to the surface. Not to say like, well, you should have medicated yourself if you had post-natal depression.
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Chris
Or weren't or weren't hurt when you poked them.
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Filly
Yeah. We're not saying like, I'm actually not for or against the medication. It's very individual for the person. It's more just like, what are the patterns that are underneath the decision making? Or the fixating or holding onto something, in an all or nothing way. Okay. So also, after the birth of her second child, she had.
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Filly
Okay, this is pretty intense. So had a baby. Second baby. Then she had an appendix removed. Then she got Covid, then she got a fungal ear infection that landed her in emergency and related to the insomnia. This then amplified endometriosis pain, when she stopped breastfeeding, that led to, laparoscopic surgery. So that's a lot of stuff to happen in a short space of time.
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Filly
I mean, I don't know the timeline, but it sounds like the way it's listed, it all happened like almost like as a cascade effect. So birth in and of itself, even if you have a lovely, wonderful birth, it's still stressful to the system. Like you are birthing out a human being from your body. There's a lot of stuff that's happening.
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Filly
But then in a surgery or a couple of surgeries, a couple of pretty nasty infections, it's no wonder that, things really blew up around this time with insomnia and the, the breakdown, the mental health breakdown. She's also mentioned that, general motherhood, is contributing to the onset of the symptoms. She did try to attempt homeschool for a year, but wasn't managing well.
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Filly
Also, she has a husband struggling with late adult onset type, I think 1 or 2 diabetes. So. And yeah, so there's other health issues going on and there's no family support. So it sounds like there is a lot of life stressors. There's also some pretty nasty acute infections and surgeries that are toppling on top of each other.
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Filly
And yeah, if I had this woman 101 for it, connect the dots. I'd really want to dig into earlier history to like, even right back to when the endometriosis issues started. And I assume that was before kids. And just getting a really good indication around, like, what were your hormones like when you first started menstrual eating?
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Filly
What was teen life like? And also going even further into childhood. So, our clients, this is actually it's not just clinical experience, but there's also a lot of studies that show that endometriosis is a strong link with, high stress states as well as trauma. And so there might be some things that happened in this woman's upbringing where she felt unsafe in some way, which affected her hormones, and her immune system.
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Filly
And so, yeah, digging into that side of things, too, would give a lot of data in terms of what's actually causing this and where where has this come from and what other types of healing do you need that goes beyond just physical, I don't know, supplements, medication, surgeries, diet, in order to be able to get to the bottom of not just the endometriosis, but also the mental illness and the chronic gut and body pain.
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Filly
Okay. And then in terms of treatment, so this lady said that she has tried many diets and supplements for gut issues with no real difference. Again, there's not any specificity in terms of what she tried. So that's what I would want to dig into. She also said she's tried all the chiro, physio, acupuncture, sham rehab, massage for numerous, numerous physical.
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Filly
Oh yeah. Oh.
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Chris
She wrote it like that as well.
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Filly
I'm reading her words. So again, this is like.
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Chris
Oh la la la la la la la la la la la la la la. Oh.
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Filly
Which shows both that she feels like she's definitely tried a lot. And I think when there's this exaggeration of all the things, it's, it's almost like I feel a little bit hopeless. I'm at the end of my tether. What else? What else is there? She also mentioned she's tried exercise, natural supplements for mental health and insomnia therapy, hypnosis, women's circles.
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Filly
And then at the end of all the things she's tried, there's another little emoji, which is there. I don't even know how to describe this one. It's like this, the melting face emoji, where it's like when I say that emoji, I think about like, oh, I've done all the things and I'm feeling a bit loopy or a bit hopeless now, and I'm like melting into the earth.
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Filly
And again, I just a little patent to think about. So is this only showing up in your health or do you feel like or is it also showing up in in other ways as a pattern this almost like hopelessness? Hopelessness isn't the right word. It's it's this exhaustion. I actually probably would say that emoji is like I'm kind of exhausted now, but I've got a little loopy smile on my face trying to like, hold it together like it's okay, I'm okay.
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Filly
But really, inside I feel like I'm falling apart.
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Chris
Just saying.
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Filly
Okay. All right. So let's, let's break these these symptoms issues down into two parts. So we're going to start off with looking at the physical body system imbalances first. So in our practice we believe that body burnout when we're looking at the causes of it it's always both physical and metaphysical. Both body and mind where a holistic interconnected being and you can't actually separate the different parts of ourselves out.
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Filly
Which is why when people do, try and get to the root cause of what's going on with their health issues, but they're only focusing on, say, the physical health with love testing or supplements or diet, or maybe they're only doing, the metaphysical side of things, but they've got some real physical imbalances that need some TLC. At the same time, this is a common reason why people aren't getting the progress that they want to see.
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Filly
So in terms of the physical side of things, let's chat about the body systems. And I'm going to start off with looking at endometriosis first and foremost. For a couple of reasons. One, it's where the health issues started. So I think it would be interesting to see what's going on there and how that's then led to other symptoms, but also to I don't think we've really focussed on endometriosis much on the podcast.
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Filly
And it is a really common symptom that we see in people with body burn out when their hormones and immune system and nervous system, out of whack.
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Chris
Most of our clients are, female and most of our listeners are female too. So it's interesting we haven't haven't touched on this yet, have you? Let's not. Have you got, a diagnosis of endometriosis? Be interested in hearing.
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Filly
Yeah. Okay. So even though Lisa has said that she's done a lot of swaps and diets, she didn't mention anything around lab testing. And this might just be because she forgot to put it in, but I'm going to assume, just at face value that she hasn't done any lab tests. Which, if this is the case, it's kind of like I get excited when that happens because it's like, oh my gosh.
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Filly
It's like so many things that, you may have missed that could really move the needle and make a big difference in your health recovery. So we have a saying in our practice test, not guess. You know, it's like if the supplement protocols in the diets were just based on symptoms, maybe it might have been practitioners suggesting things based on symptoms.
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Filly
Maybe it might have been from doctor googling. Maybe it might have been from my best friend did it and she got great results. It's not a very effective way of healing the self because you don't really know what's going on. So when you can test different body systems that relate to the health symptoms that you're experiencing, then we can create a protocol that your body needs at the right dose, for the right duration, and in the right timing to be able to move the needle so that you can heal.
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Filly
So endometriosis, is a condition where tissues similar to the lining of the uterus, it's called the endometrium worries outside of the uterus. So it's very abnormal. And it's most often this growth is most often happening in the pelvic region. Which is why pelvic pain can be really common with endo. But this growth can also go into other areas of the body, like we've had clients where it's ended up like attaching onto their intestines and in other weird places of the body.
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Filly
Well, so not good. And this tissue responds to hormones, like in a, in a normal, healthy woman, the tissue responds to hormones and it thickens and then it bleeds out each month. But when this growth starts happening, it's because the bleeding doesn't actually exit the body. And then those endometrium, bits and pieces in the body end up, as actual tissue.
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Filly
And it can lead to inflammation and scarring and even pain for some women and some symptoms that can begin shortly after puberty. Sorry. The symptoms of endometriosis can begin shortly after puberty and can last until menopause. So if so, I mean, this is a common case. Like she said, she feels like she's had it for 25 plus years because she probably ticks all the symptom boxes, but wasn't diagnosed until 18 months ago.
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Chris
Wow.
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Filly
So it can be an issue that continues until you stop bleeding. And it's also something that can be, rebalanced, healed, rate corrected. So oestrogen, is a female hormone and it promotes inflammation and immune dysregulation. If you're producing too much of it and it can contribute to symptoms, which is why it affects women during these reproductive years when oestrogen levels are quite robust.
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Filly
And many women with endometriosis experienced cyclical symptoms with debilitating pain during the menstrual cycle. So some of these symptoms can show off as like, yeah, period pain, really heavy periods, pelvic pain, infertility. There can also be a lot of systemic issues as well. So they can be gut issues that can be back pain and other pain in the body, headaches, bladder problems.
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Filly
So it can cause a lot of symptoms. And endo is considered an inflammatory syndrome. So it's similar to an autoimmune condition. It is an in system issue at its root it's where it's where the body experiences inflammation. And then this causes the abnormal growth of endometrial tissue. So inflammation when I hear the word inflammation I always think about stress and danger.
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Filly
So from a functional medicine point of view it's like, okay, well if inflammation is affecting the immune system and the nervous system and the hormones and then it's leading to endometriosis, where is the inflammation coming from. And this will be coming from both physical sources and also metaphysical sources, which is why you want to look at this from a holistic lens.
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Filly
So some things that I would be thinking about testing would be the female hormones. So oestrogen promotes endometrial growth while progesterone opposes oestrogen and helps to maintain the uterine lining for pregnancy. High oestrogen doesn't necessarily cause endometriosis, but it can exacerbate this the condition. So testing the female hormones, looking at your oestrogen and progesterone levels, as well as testosterone for any imbalances can be really supportive when, healing from endometriosis.
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Filly
And if any of these hormones are out of whack, then we will want to rebalance them as needed. And you can do this naturally. I'd also be thinking about, doing some lab tests on the adrenals and also the brain, and I would consider these areas for a couple of reasons. So the adrenals and the brain, really helping you to respond to stresses appropriately so your adrenals is secreting your stress hormones.
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Filly
Your brain is also, creating neurotransmitters like adrenaline, which is similar to cortisol. It's kind of like your fat flight response brain chemical, but it's also producing serotonin. And, and dopamine, which can help balance out and create a more parasympathetic nervous system state. So knowing that there is like through research, a link with stress and endometriosis, we'd want to look at what's happening at a physical level that's causing, that could be causing contributing to dysregulation.
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Filly
Also your adrenals. So cortisol and DHEA, which is the stress hormones that we can test for, they flow into hormone production. So DHEA converts into testosterone and oestrogen and cortisol can actually suppress the production of progesterone. So looking if the hormones, the sex hormones, for example, are out of balance, I would always look upstream at what's happening with the adrenals.
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Filly
Is that impacting the production of your sex hormones? Looking at the neurotransmitters as well can tell us at a physical level, if there's fight, flight, freeze happening, and then helping to support these areas of the body so that you can start responding to stresses in a more healthy, functional way can definitely help with, getting out of dysregulation, which will also help with reducing inflammation from a fight flight freeze perspective.
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Filly
Also, I'd be thinking about detox leave. There's a lot of research that shows that toxins, and chemicals that are often found in plastics and personal care products and clothing and all sorts of things mimic oestrogen. So they're called endocrine disrupting chemicals. And these chemicals can disrupt your hormones in your body because they mimic oestrogen. They're known as xeno oestrogens.
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Filly
And they can then cause your ability to produce your hormones in a functional, optimal way to go haywire. And this is often where women can actually start, producing too much oestrogen because they've seen it oestrogens and mimicking oestrogen. So your body feels like there is a lot of oestrogen, stuck in the body and you're not clearing it out effectively, especially if you're detox pathways and your liver aren't working very well.
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Filly
There was actually, study that looked at chemical exposure and it was linked to the development of endometriosis. And these chemicals specifically showed up as pesticides, chlorinated chemicals. So that's kind of like, I mean, like our water. If you don't filter the water out, there's chlorine in that. It's pool chlorine, brominated chemicals, fluorinated chemicals, which again is found in.
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Filly
So many of our water supplies and different foods, LED was also connected to intimate traces and a whole heap of other chemicals. So from a lifestyle point of view, I definitely recommend cutting back on any toxins that you have control over. Stop filtering your water. Stop purchasing natural organic skincare and cleaning products, spray free vegetables or that sort of stuff.
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Filly
And I would also test the function of the liver and detox pathways. Even if you have been living a low tox life, I would still look at what's happening with your detox pathways. I remember when I tested my own liver detoxification system, I'd already been living about five years of low tox living, to the extreme of, like, I just made everything from scratch.
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Filly
And when I did my lab tests, I was shocked at how burnt out my detox pathways was. Was still, so burnt out. So, yeah. I wouldn't disregard your detox pathways. If you're someone who has already cut back on the lifestyle toxins. Now, the.
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Chris
And so therefore this this is a critical. What what I said before just to ram this point home, you can approach low tox living healthy, healthy, natural ways of doing things, out of fear, out of shame, out of guilt. Or you can do it out of joy. Love. You know, you get hot, high vibe type stuff.
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Filly
Yeah. Very good point. Because I remember when I was on my own health journey and when I was really just, like, focusing on the physical and the lifestyle, I didn't realise that there was anything else going on underneath the surface. Metaphysically, but my, approach to low tox living was very fee based, to the point that, you know, like I would I, I would just get worried about going into a supermarket and going down the cleaning aisle.
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Filly
I'd get angry if people brought perfumes or, you know, things into the home. It was almost like my thoughts amplified my dysregulation and the symptomatic response to chemicals, whereas now we still live a pretty low tox life. But I'm not anal about it. It's like I know my body is healthy and strong. I know my detox pathways are open and flowing, and my body will get rid of anything that it needs.
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Filly
And I also love it. Like, I'm not going to go and drink chlorine because that's not going to be good for it. But it's coming from a place of love, nourishment, support, as opposed to I have to avoid it, otherwise I'm going to die. Yeah. Okay. A couple of other body systems before we move on to the metaphysical side of things.
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Filly
So definitely, I think about gut health. Like specifically because Lisa has mentioned that she has got issues, but also gut health plays a pretty big role in endometriosis. So again, this research that shows that, gut bacteria in the microbiome produce LPs metabolites or Lipo Pollio saccharine metabolites, big word
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Chris
Spell that.
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Filly
LPs.
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Chris
That's a man that, okay, that's a Scrabble winner.
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Filly
So this this metabolite, actually is inflammatory. So from the endometriosis point of view, if you've got an overgrowth of bacteria that are producing this more toxic metabolite, it's another source of chronic inflammation in the body, which can cause the immune system to go haywire, which affects, the endometrial growth. And there was a research that showed that, LPs is found or was found in a significant proportion of women with endometriosis in their pelvic fluids and in their vaginal microbiome and in their period.
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Filly
Wow. Which is pretty crazy. Yeah. The other thing to is, when I'm thinking about the got some kind of thinking about lab testing as well. So, like, you want to test to see what's happening with your microbiome, but also one of the stool tests that we run looks at and marker called beta days, which essentially is showing you how well you're clearing out oestrogen and other toxins from the body.
00:31:37:08 - 00:32:04:12
Filly
Once those toxins and hormones and metabolites into the gut ready to be pooped out. So if that marker is really high, which it commonly is, actually with women with endometriosis or, high oestrogen type manifestation, then your body's not able to naturally clear it out, which means that your stores, or the hormones get circulated much higher in your system than someone who is clearing it out effectively through they got.
00:32:04:14 - 00:32:28:08
Filly
And that's going to cause more inflammation, more toxicity, more, imbalances. And whatever's going on with the gut issues, I and I won't talk too much into that because I don't know the specific symptoms, but they're highly likely linked to the endometriosis. Anyway, I'd also think about the vaginal ecosystem. Now again, I'm talking about a lot of different body systems.
00:32:28:08 - 00:32:52:02
Filly
If this was a client with me, it's kind of like these are all the things that could be happening, but this would be biggest priority with starting in terms of lab testing. I'm just kind of taking a bird's eye view over the main body systems that we look at. But the reason why I mentioned the vaginal ecosystem is to look at dysbiosis that could be affecting reproductive health.
00:32:52:02 - 00:33:24:13
Filly
So if you have nasty pathogens over growing in the microbiome or if your beneficial microbiome is really depleted, that can have an upstream effect into your uterus and into your hormone production. And again, there's a lot of research that links vaginal, dysbiosis with different reproductive and female hormone issues. Okay. I think that that's good. Just touching on the mental health and the body pain.
00:33:24:13 - 00:33:52:16
Filly
So I'm kind of going through as I went through those symptoms, it was sort of as, as they were presenting over time. And then eventually there's the body pain and the mental health issues, which doesn't surprise me. So if there's a lot of inflammation happening in the reproductive area and in the gut, it's at some point going to start impacting the physical body in terms of the like, the inflammation can show up physically as pain in the body.
00:33:52:17 - 00:34:23:03
Filly
And it's also going to start affecting mental health for a lot of women, too. So there's that gut brain connection via the vagus nerve which can literally start inflaming the brain. And so that's where a lot of people can start developing anxiety or like clinical anxiety, depression, psychotic, psychotic episodes. It's not all just in the head. There can be some real physical things that are contributing to the amplification of how you're feeling mentally and emotionally.
00:34:23:05 - 00:34:28:23
Filly
Okay, let's move on to the metaphysical.
00:34:29:00 - 00:34:32:23
Chris
Can you say literally just real quick before we get into metaphysical.
00:34:33:02 - 00:34:33:19
Filly
Literally.
00:34:33:21 - 00:34:36:02
Chris
Literal, like, can you say it.
00:34:36:02 - 00:34:38:07
Filly
Like I'd like to if I say it wrong, literally.
00:34:38:07 - 00:34:49:09
Chris
There's a comma in that sentence. Can you say literally, what is endometriosis? Is that scarring or is it cysts, or is it gross like it's end?
00:34:49:14 - 00:34:54:07
Filly
It's endometrial growth. So I mentioned it earlier. So what should happen.
00:34:54:07 - 00:34:55:12
Chris
What do you mean by that.
00:34:55:14 - 00:35:18:17
Filly
So what should happen is you've got your uterus. And when a woman's cycling the, the lining of the uterus grows, the reason for that is because it's like if we get pregnant that we want to hold a baby, and if a woman doesn't fall pregnant, then the lining then turns into period. You've seen that with me and my daughter.
00:35:18:18 - 00:35:21:19
Chris
I was going to say, I'm like you. You've you've watched that happen.
00:35:21:20 - 00:35:24:06
Filly
You've you've experienced.
00:35:24:06 - 00:35:24:21
Chris
Voya.
00:35:25:00 - 00:35:28:00
Filly
You've experienced the females in your own time period.
00:35:28:01 - 00:35:30:16
Chris
Yeah. Okay. So so so then keep going.
00:35:30:16 - 00:36:00:13
Filly
So that's the normal thing that should happen. Endometriosis is when the bleeding doesn't actually excess exit the body. So this thickening of the endometrium lining actually like it still sheds off, but it starts like it remains in the body. So it ends up being actual tissue growth. And the nasty thing about it is that it can start growing into organs.
00:36:00:15 - 00:36:23:16
Filly
I forgot to mention with the gut, like it's really common for women with endometriosis to also have Sibo, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, because what can happen is the growth starts, growing into the intestines, which means the intestines get very narrow and you can't pass food and bacteria from one end to the other. Interestingly. So things get stuck up in the small intestines.
00:36:23:18 - 00:36:24:00
Filly
Yeah.
00:36:24:00 - 00:36:54:09
Chris
Right. Okay. Now, the reason I asked is that we're about to talk about metaphysical and there's going to be a metaphorical, yeah. You know, like we're talking about, a wounding of of something feminine and, and, and a growing inside of you, swelling within, inability to let go and release, feel the flow. Let let flow happen.
00:36:54:11 - 00:36:58:01
Chris
Release. Give yourself permission.
00:36:58:03 - 00:36:59:15
Filly
To get into that.
00:36:59:17 - 00:36:59:18
Chris
The.
00:36:59:19 - 00:37:19:05
Filly
Thoughts around what might be going on. Like if you think about the, the when I was reading out, well, what led to these symptoms, what was happening in your life? There was a lot of life stresses. So there was the stress of motherhood. She even tried to homeschool for a year, but felt like she wasn't managing. She's got a husband who's sick as well.
00:37:19:05 - 00:37:20:05
Filly
00:37:20:06 - 00:37:22:01
Chris
Yeah. So just a.
00:37:22:03 - 00:37:23:01
Filly
Little pregnancy.
00:37:23:02 - 00:37:48:09
Chris
Bomb dive into that one. So now I don't know what's what's so hard about that for you? If I was in your shoes, I probably find that really challenging and hard to. So what I'm about to say isn't, I can't believe you feel so. I feel some kind of way about that, you know? But what's the answer to this question?
00:37:48:11 - 00:38:08:13
Chris
Why is that a problem for you and for anybody who's listening for if you're experiencing any sort of symptoms similar to Lisa? And you've had problems similar to Lisa, you know, with the what you just said there feel, or how is that a problem? Like, what's what's the, Let me try and say it, pokey.
00:38:08:15 - 00:38:19:02
Chris
What's the big deal? Why why is this an issue for you? You know it. So don't get angry that I asked you that question, but just introspectively once.
00:38:19:02 - 00:38:21:16
Filly
You do, it's just like, yeah, that's interesting. Let it happen.
00:38:21:16 - 00:38:47:18
Chris
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's what's the problem with that? How does that affect you? Keep asking yourself that question. And, now it's a problem. You're showing that it's a problem because you're not allowing these things to just flow in and out of your life like a wave, like blood. You know, you're holding into.
00:38:47:20 - 00:38:48:18
Filly
Yeah. Going with the.
00:38:48:18 - 00:39:14:00
Chris
Flow, the rhythm you're holding onto these things that normally flow and that can flow. But you're you're blocking it up. You're preventing it. And you're allowing this to swell and grow and fester inside of you, scar you up from inside, allowing your femininity to be attacked and, and, insulted, you know, so, so how is this a problem for you?
00:39:14:02 - 00:39:17:21
Chris
What do you make it mean about you?
00:39:17:23 - 00:39:18:20
Filly
00:39:18:22 - 00:39:31:02
Chris
They're really powerful and profound. Simple questions. But I bet you you could write a journal page or two on on the answers.
00:39:31:04 - 00:39:53:22
Filly
This what you were saying about flow to. It's like, why is this a problem? Like, why can't you just flow through it? On the podcast application form, there's a bunch of patterns that we get, the listener who's sending their case through to tech, and there are quite a lot of masculine dominant type patterns and resourceful masculine.
00:39:53:22 - 00:40:23:20
Filly
So overdoing, addictive doing, workaholic, constantly feeling anxious, worried that might be more on, resourceful, feminine. Overwhelmed, stressed out, easily offended. Defensive. Taking things personally, often playing the comparison game, feeling frustrated with self shame, guilt, apathy. So it definitely does sound like there's more of this un resourceful masculine pattern occurring. And how long has that been happening?
00:40:24:00 - 00:40:30:05
Filly
Like hasn't even been happening right from a teenager or maybe even a child.
00:40:30:07 - 00:41:03:12
Chris
I'm going to stop. I'm going to this is what this is, metaphysically speaking. I'm going to stop the natural flow of my life and prevent my femininity from flowing literally and metaphorically. Metaphorically. I'm going to tap into masculine ways of being and doing, in an unresolved, awful way so that, I can fight against life and all its battering against me because it's happening to me.
00:41:03:14 - 00:41:09:22
Chris
That's, that's what we've we meant before around victim mentality and and drama. Yeah.
00:41:09:22 - 00:41:51:09
Filly
And then underneath that, there's going to be some deep unconscious core beliefs. So again, when we're talking about the patterns and the drama and we use words like victim, that might sound offensive, but it's it's purely just it's just data. It's just like these are just the patterns. And with every pattern there'll be a deep belief underneath. And when we can get to that, then some really deep and beautiful healing can happen, which will start unravelling the patterns which will allow a woman, if you're a listener identifying with these more like go, go, go do offensive defensive overwhelm patterns when you can start addressing the deeper root as to why you're running the patterns in
00:41:51:09 - 00:42:17:04
Filly
the first place, then the patterns will actually start unravelling themselves. It's actually feels like magic when it happens. It's like I didn't even have to strategize my way and make myself change that pattern. I'm just noticing that things are shifting inside of me and through me, and it's showing up physically in how I'm behaving and when you can do this.
00:42:17:04 - 00:42:41:12
Filly
This is also going to have a beautiful follow on effect to your physical body. So now the body can, actually start surrendering and relax and calm down. And you can drop more into the parasympathetic nervous system state, which is rest and digest and calm and safety. You can start producing serotonin, which is a safety neurotransmitter. It's peace.
00:42:41:12 - 00:43:10:05
Filly
It's calm, it's stillness. It's great sleep at night. And so when you have this happening in your system, then your body systems are just naturally going to be able to heal because inflammation is starting to dwindle off. Imbalances is starting to re correct. Yes. You still might need a little bit of physical TLC and therapy through lab testing and supplements, but you've got Buckley's of changing things from a physical point of view.
00:43:10:05 - 00:43:25:15
Filly
If you're still running these beliefs in these patterns that are keeping you stuck in fight, flight, or freeze, which is essentially saying, I'm not safe, my body isn't safe. I'm not safe to be in this world. Anything else to add?
00:43:25:17 - 00:44:04:07
Chris
This is this is in general, but and I'm not saying. Oh, I don't know how you feel about us, noticing these things. Sometimes these things can feel a bit pokey when when they get pointed out on noticed. But we're not saying anything that you haven't unconsciously said to yourself or about yourself in the past, having having deep and important conversations like this with yourself about yourself are so important, you won't be able to to grow, to rise up, to.
00:44:04:09 - 00:44:28:02
Chris
Yeah, to grow up, to become the next evolution of of you. You won't be able to do that. You won't be able to have a good relationship with you if you don't have these important conversations. Just like any sort of relationship, if you don't have these conversations, with yourself, you'll stay the same. And as we pointed out today, there's going to be some physical stuff.
00:44:28:02 - 00:44:46:14
Chris
Even though you've tried a lot, you haven't tried it all. And then metaphysically speaking, there's some beautiful, profound, conversations that you can have. So, hope that all resonates with you.
00:44:46:18 - 00:45:14:19
Filly
Yeah. And also like speaking to I've tried all the things, like, I don't think it's actually human who humanly possible. Maybe. Maybe it might be. If every month of your living life you've tried all the things. Yeah. But in saying that the things that you have tried and this is for all the listeners out there, there might be things that you have tried that might not have moved the needle.
00:45:14:21 - 00:45:32:12
Filly
The first time you tried them, but it doesn't mean it won't when you're ready to change. And this is the this is the deep root cause healing that we're very passionate about. So, I mean, we've had plenty of clients who are like, I've done those lab tests, I've done those supplements, I've done the diets, I don't work.
00:45:32:14 - 00:45:54:09
Filly
And it's like, okay, we probably don't have to retest. If you don't feel like any symptoms have budged, then this imbalance is probably still there. But let's work on this stuff over here. First. Let's get to the root of like, what's the deepest fear you have about yourself? What's this unconscious core belief that feels like it's ruling the roost?
00:45:54:11 - 00:46:30:01
Filly
Causing dysregulation and safety? Let's work on that. Then we can come back over here and try some things that you have tried previously, but now your body's going to respond to it. And on the other side, because you, Lisa mentioned that she, did talk therapy, women's circles, meditation, I think it was. Or hypnotherapy. And again, maybe there's some more of that mental, emotional, psychological support that may not have moved the needle, but it doesn't mean that it's because the thing has been exhausted and it's not going to work.
00:46:30:03 - 00:46:51:13
Filly
Maybe you just weren't ready to change yet. Maybe there was a lot of unconscious blockages resistances that when you continue breaking those down, change can happen in a moment. And we have this saying like change takes a long time coming, but happens in a moment. There will be a moment that you wake up feeling different, that you have transformed, you have healed.
00:46:51:13 - 00:47:18:04
Filly
You are changed. And you might say it was because of that one thing. Well, it wasn't because all the things that you've tried in the past has got you to the point where you're now ready for change and awesome. Okay, awesome. So hopefully this has helped gain a different perspective on endometriosis and the other inflammatory conditions that are often associated with it.
00:47:18:06 - 00:47:39:14
Filly
And just a reminder, if you would like your, case reviewed on the episode, you can go to the show notes and feeling an application form. Or if you want to be personally guided through our holistic root root cause approach, you can either start with the connect the dots initial consult or I've just opened my calendar again and I've got a few spots available.
00:47:39:16 - 00:47:40:06
Filly
Or.
00:47:40:07 - 00:47:43:08
Chris
If you like, literally go as a few.
00:47:43:09 - 00:47:47:22
Filly
Well, I mean, I don't have anything for July and there's some openings in August.
00:47:47:23 - 00:47:48:15
Chris
Hurry up.
00:47:48:20 - 00:47:52:14
Filly
Unless someone schedules and then there might be an early one. So anyway, check the.
00:47:52:14 - 00:47:55:20
Chris
Calendar, run off the jetty, bomb dive in your eyes. Do it.
00:47:55:22 - 00:48:13:02
Filly
Oh, we also the very first session that you would have with myself, you know, ending body burn out method is to connect the dots. So if, you want to join the ending body burn out method, the doors open again in September, and I'll pop the link to join the waitlist in the show notes.
00:48:13:04 - 00:48:26:06
Chris
You all right, guys? Thank you so much for joining us. Have the best day ever. So yeah.
00:48:26:08 - 00:48:36:10
Filly
Thank you so much for listening. We so appreciate you. If you'd like to give us extra smiles, drop us a review and spread the love by sharing this episode.
00:48:36:12 - 00:48:54:19
Chris
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