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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Buddy Burnout show. We are your host, Chris and Phile, co-founders of a multi winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, business, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body. Get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Filly
Hello! Welcome to the podcast. Today we have a great episode for you all about intuition. So we interviewed the beautiful Letitia and Drake. And yet really, it's a fascinating conversation about intuition. Her definition around what it is, how to connect to your intuition because we're all intuitive. And why not? Connecting to your intuition will lead to burnout in poor health, as well as keep you stuck in things like your business, your career, and your life.
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Filly
So let's hear is actually a guest presenter inside our ending body burnout method this week, which I'm so excited about. So what you hear inside this episode today? It's going to be ten times better in the workshop as she's coming in to actually coach our clients on how to connect to and follow their intuition for deep healing and to leave an aligned life.
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Filly
So it's going to be amazing. So for any clients listening, definitely come along and come along live if you can, because I think that that is the best way that you'll be able to access, latest years wisdom and and her coaching expertise around intuition. If you're not a client and you'll want to come to the workshop, doors are now open to the ending body burnout method, so I'll pop the link in the show notes if you'd like to come and join us.
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Filly
We only open doors three times a year, and May is the time that we're opening right now, and we're only open for one week. We have limited spaces available and also prices will be increasing next intake. So if you want to save up to $700, I would definitely be joining us. This intake, it's going to be awesome.
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Filly
Our program isn't just group coaching. We also have one on one consults, one on one root cause coaching, this trauma therapy. There's our online portal that takes you through the steps to end your body burnout. But a really special part of our program is we do come together as a community, weekly to run workshops, to go deeper on healing practices, coaching frameworks that we use to end our body burnout.
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Filly
So that is why we have Leticia on inside our program this week. Also too, if you're wanting to learn a little bit more about what we do, and you want to experience what it's like to work with us, we are also running a free coaching week this week. Rewire Your Brain to Heal Body Burnout. We have started as of today.
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Filly
So if you have missed that one out today's session, day one, that's okay. You can jump down to the show notes to register. You can listen back to the recording. But yeah, definitely. Come along to that to experience what it's like to work with us to learn more about our method and to actually have some transformations and some big insights live on the course with us too.
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Filly
We have had many past attendees share the things that have shifted for them, which is so cool. All right, before we dive into the episode, I just want to read out Leticia Andrex bio because she is a very amazing woman. Not only is she incredibly intuitive, but she uses this intuition to help other people, ladies, business owners, to make a big impact in the world.
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Filly
So she is the founder of Essential Shift Consulting, and she teaches impact driven entrepreneurs and leaders how to weave intuition and strategy together to grow sustainable businesses for people, profit and the planet. With over 15 years of strategy consulting, Start-Up mentoring and corporate leadership experience, Leticia has led many successful growth and innovative programs in many high profile global organisations including Telstra, Dublin, Bloomberg and the French Government.
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Filly
She is a podcaster, speaker and number one bestselling author of the award winning book Light It How to Trust Your Intuition and Build a Thriving Business. She is also the co-founder and CEO of Understanding Zoe, a health tech business aimed at simplifying and enhancing the coordination of services for neurodivergent children and their families. And we do talk a little bit about that, too, because Leticia herself is, autistic.
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Filly
And so we talk about autistic, brains, ADHD brains. And in conjunction with, with intuition and also body burnout. So let's dive into today's episode.
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Chris
Welcome, everybody, to this episode of the Ending Body Burnout Show. You and I are excited to have Leticia on the show today. Thanks so much for joining us.
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Laetitia
Thank you for having me.
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Chris
No worries.
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Filly
Yeah, I'm so excited for this conversation. And, also very excited for you to come inside our ending buddy Burnout method program soon to talk more about intuition. So this is kind of like a little bit of a teaser taste of it also to really get to know you. And then I came across you through Tina Tower.
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Filly
So you did a beautiful masterclass, and I just loved how you integrated intuition as a whole, but also in terms of business as well, because sometimes in the business world it's very like strategy, strategy, masculine. Go do the thing. Whereas you have this lovely mix of integrating all parts and integrating life into it as well. So I know that so many people get so much out of this conversation.
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Laetitia
Thank you.
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Filly
Okay, so we always love to dive into some personal juicy bits of our guest stories. Because most people have got some sort of health journey story or some sort of burnout experience. Can we go there? Are you happy to dive into your your and how what burnt outlook burnout looked like for you? What was happening around the time?
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Filly
Root cause is how you healed all that sort of stuff.
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Laetitia
Of course. Do you want me to go straight in?
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Filly
Yeah. Let's go. Is in France.
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Laetitia
So I'm going to take you to Paris in June 2014. And that was as we record this 11 years ago, and I was a strategy consultant, what we can call the top of my game. I was in Berlin facilitating three days of a big innovation workshop for Mike Bloomberg and Bloomberg Philanthropy. So for those of you who don't know, Mike Bloomberg is quite relevant as a leader in the US.
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Laetitia
And so he came all the way to Europe to help social impact and innovation in social impact for different cities in Europe to emerge, to emerge. And so I was facilitating this. I was leading a big team, the big program. We had over thousands of people in that it was a big, big strategy work. Three days of being out there delivering, delivering, delivering, serving all of these kind of Jews that I love to do.
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Laetitia
I actually love to facilitate workshop, but it was very much intense and my body collapsed a few days later when I went back to Paris in the safety of my apartment, my body collapsed and I couldn't wake up in the morning, which is very unlike to me. So I've always been, I proactive, hypersensitive, so ADHD from a very young age.
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Laetitia
But that burnout was really not familiar to me. It was entering a new territory where I couldn't move. So my has been, it was my partner at the time. Now he's my husband was like, oh my gosh, what is happening? I was like, I don't know, I just can go to the office today, I can't move. I had never call in sick in many, many years of working as a strategy consultant, which is a very high paced environment where you're really dedicated to serving your client, to delivering big strategy, going into boardroom, all of this kind of thing.
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Laetitia
And I couldn't that day. So I dragged myself to the doctor, and the doctor told me, you're suffering from burnout. After asking me a few questions and taking my pulse and you know me bursting into tears into the doctor office. So, like, what do you mean? Nowadays I cry way more because I reconnected with my intuition. But at that time, like, crying was like, no way, this is not happening.
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Laetitia
I am not training my tears. I am a fearless, strong businesswoman in the masculine go go go. Yeah. No way to honour my feminine divine feminine energy. So no tears will be seen. And, yeah, it was like this resounding noise in my head around you all suffering from burnout. And for me at the time, burnout. It was 11 years ago, right?
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Laetitia
So it's there is a big shift happening since Covid and burnout is more accepted. As, you know, something that happened to many people, which I know you're an expert around, there is more and more research around this, but at the time it was very much taboo. Yeah, it was very much a stigma around people burning out, especially through my journey as a strategy consultant, coming out of one of the best business school in France.
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Laetitia
It's like those who burn out through the study and through those, right? They just weak. They're not strong. So I strong woman was really kind of narrative in my head. And so the doctor offered for me to take a few weeks off, which I accepted because I couldn't anyway, I couldn't literally go to the office or see myself taking my laptop and going to a meeting and so on.
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Laetitia
So I started with two weeks off, and during those two weeks I really reconnected with my younger self. The 20 year old Leticia went and travelled to India. We learned about Iveta. The five year old Leticia was introduced to meditation because of my hyperactivity and I put sensitivity in my parents choosing that route, being very, spiritual as well.
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Laetitia
So I just reconnected with who I was, and then I felt comfortable after two weeks to go back to the doctor and ask for an extension of the leave, and that's how I healed by taking time and making space to reconnect with who I am. If I'm not people pleasing everyone else, if I'm not following someone else's definition of success, which was making partners in this big consulting firm and earning even more money to spend on even more Louboutin shoes and Louis Vuitton bag and all of these kind of things that now I only have like 1 or 2, you know, left item from that lot.
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Laetitia
Yeah, I got rid of many of them. I still have like one pair of shoes and one handbag of these, just as a memory of that part of me. But it was just this kind of lifestyles that I was going after, which actually was not who I wanted to be. So I had my I was 30 at the time, so I had my Saturn Return.
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Laetitia
I'm an astrologer as well, so I had my Saturn return in a very strong way, being like, oh my gosh, something has to go. And that's how I healed by finding back the path to my own journey and my own self.
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Filly
Yeah, okay. I think I've got like three follow up questions from all of that. Well, actually one's a statement like kudos to the GP to actually name burnout and not just take some bloods and say everything's fine. I don't know, like, I don't know what's wrong with you. Because I look back at like my own health journey and I was definitely burnt out, but it wasn't named.
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Filly
And so then I got stuck in the cracks where it's like, I don't know, or you've lots of fun. So it's just part of being a mum is part of like, being in life. When you say you collapsed, like, well, what did your symptoms look like in terms of burnout? Was it just the complete physical mental exhaustion, or did you have other things going on?
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Laetitia
No. So it was I didn't see the the pre sign of burnout. So now I see them very early on. So I think I catched it straight away. I'm like I'm not even going down the rabbit hole. But I didn't try to pre sign you know around the migraine and being tired and not having much appetite and not willing to see people and being a bit more aggressive and a bit more sensitive.
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Laetitia
I was literally at the last stage when I couldn't, couldn't stand up. I was literally having physical exhaustion. I couldn't see anyone talk to anyone. So now we know that he was a an autistic burnout. But this came later around my autism and how this was an autistic burnout. At the time it was just burnout. So I was also misdiagnosing the well, not well diagnosed, but I was also misdiagnosed as a normal burnout when it was actually an autistic burnout.
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Laetitia
But yeah.
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Filly
Can you like differentiate the difference between that because you also mentioned ADHD as well. So I think that would be useful.
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Laetitia
Yeah, definitely. So you when you are autistic burnout will be triggered by a sensory overload by the environment that is not necessarily cut for you. So imagine taking myself back in these rooms in 2014, where I was facilitating in front of thousands of people and holding space for so many people and having to talk to everyone and looking at people inside because I thought, this is what you have to do, being polite.
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Laetitia
You look at people in the eye. So which is very not comfortable for an autistic like me in every autistic are different, right? I'm speaking from my own experience. I always want to frame that because when you meet one autistic, you've met one autistic. We are all different. So from my perspective, looking at people in the eye is very much, other overly triggering for me.
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Laetitia
So I had all of those other sensory situation doing those three days and basically then my body completely collapsed. So that's how the autistic traits in me showed into my burnout. If I was neurotypical, maybe I would have recovered that time again and bumped back and be on a stage of burnout, which was not, you know, as horrible as it has been just for those three, three days, because it was like my husband saw me a few days before I was fine, so excited to go to Berlin and do this big thing and spend time with Mike Bloomberg and going on evening dinner with all of those leaders of all the countries in Europe, all
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Laetitia
speaking in English with different accents, you know, from Germany to, Spain to Portugal. So you have to hear English, which is not your native language in different, like, I'm just trying to recreate.
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Filly
The I would burn out after three days and I'm not autistic, but I'm very much an introvert and I like slowness and calm pace.
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Laetitia
Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. It's like the sensory overload, the lighting. You know, you have like, those big lights in those big rooms and, you know, it's just like so much the sense, like the scent of everyone perfume and the solicitation all the time. And, you know, so many people around you and this brand non-stop. It was so that's what could trigger an autistic burnout.
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Laetitia
And that could trigger, as you said, a neurotypical burnout as well. What I always say is when you are autistic, you just feel some time thing in a heightened way. But it doesn't mean that those accommodation are not suitable for neurotypical. Any accommodations that I vouch for in my work as an advocate for autistic and neuro inclusion is always much more comfortable as well for neurotypical.
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Laetitia
When I asked for dimmer and the light to be dim in an office space, everyone was like, oh my gosh, why isn't it like this all the time? Like, oh yeah, oh. So everyone benefit from it, which is where we see inequity and how by bringing equity into the space, everyone benefits from it.
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Filly
That's so true because really the things it would like, the things that you were talking about. And Chris has a neurodivergent brain. So ADHD but it's kind of like that sensory overload will be triggering to anyone's nervous system. It just might be more so dependent on the person. So it's going to it's going to be good for everybody.
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Laetitia
Exactly. I think it's time for all neurodivergent humans to start using our voice. And even though we are 20%, I always say, well, the hidden 20%, 1 in 5 of us is neurodivergent. And if we start listening to those voices more and accommodate for those voices in the workplace, you will see a ban outright reducing because it would be so good.
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Laetitia
Also for neurotypical brain.
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Filly
This is a little bit Segway. But how? Leaning into my intuition. I'm curious what what caused you to start looking into an autistic diagnosis? Like, and how old were you and what was happening around then for you to start connecting the dots?
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Laetitia
Yes. So it's the autistic, identification came quite recently, actually, through the journey of my own daughter, Zoe. So Zoe's autistic, and, in February 2024, last year, she was officially assessed with autism after being misdiagnosed for a long time. And this is what happened. As women, we are mis diagnosed with autism because the presentation is different in from our male counterpart.
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Laetitia
And as I was gifted and ADHD, I was like, oh, that's who she is. But actually autism is a big part of who I am as well. And that's why I like lot of ADHD or well, like, but how can you get so passionate about one thing and go so deep and finish it and become, you know, an expert in this and do that when I have actually moved to the next thing, I was like, I don't know, but that's who I am.
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Laetitia
And so now it makes sense. It's because of my autistic part of myself. Are you ADHD or so? Autistic and ADHD? Do? And so I discovered it through Zoe's, assessment, which actually happened for many parents when they get their kids, assessed is when they realise their own narrative urgency. And that's okay. It's a raise of awareness.
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Laetitia
But what I wish is for every kid now to know early on so they can advocate for themselves and it can prevent them from going through the burnout and the trauma and all of these kind of pathways that I had to go through, feeling that I never fit in. That was always a weird kid. Yeah. And the one get obsessed, which is a non neuro firming language.
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Laetitia
So I prefer to say it was a deep interest in something different to the other kid or the other adult or the other people around me. So that's how I discovered. So it was in February 2024, and then I started, you know, diving so deep into the unmasking. And so I can say now that I'm proudly autistic and I'm removing the mask one by one and someone, I'm like, oh, I'm doing this to please someone else, you know, or I'm saying, I'm sorry, I need a fidget toys now.
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Laetitia
Oh, I'm sorry, I can't look at you in the eyes. I'm like, no, this is who I am. I don't need to say sorry some and masking more and more, but it's been a light, assessment for autism. Yeah. And ADHD, it's been a reclaiming of this part of my identity through conversation with my parents. We decided not to label me when I was little.
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Laetitia
So that's a story as well, which is around how it is actually powerful. There is a lot of research done around this to share with your children about who they are without shaming them, or saying it's a disorder, but telling them who they are. So you are autistic and Zoe knows she's autistic, and we know the impact it has in the longer term for their mental health.
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Laetitia
Because they can advocate for themselves, they have less less risk of self, and burn out and our feed and all of these kind of unfortunately situations that we see as co-occurring for kids or adults who are autistic or neurodivergent in some way.
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Filly
Thank you so much for sharing all that. So good. Did you have anything to add before I ask a question?
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Chris
I always like to, when when I know I'm chatting to somebody with neurodivergent as well. I, I kind of compare and do. Oh, yeah, I do that. Yeah. That's that's funny. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't notice that about me, but yeah, it's true. Half an hour ago it was dark in here and I had one amber light.
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Chris
Just, just I find it so easy to to concentrate when it's, when it's amber and and. Yeah, when you talked about the light, so I was like, oh yeah, of course. Yeah. Like when it just takes one sensory thing away. Fidgeting with things. It's so funny. Yeah. My current fidget is an ice pack because it gets really hot in here.
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Chris
And so I've kind of I've tried.
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Laetitia
To do something around my finger like I used to do. You know, when we were at school, I would do that all the time. And did you ever like because we didn't have fidget it always like stop doing this. Yeah. And I was using it, but it's gone. It's like it's how I would fidget. And I'm still fidgeting like this, because if I take my sensory toys and I put it on the camera like I did yesterday, I was on a podcast interview and I took a sensory toys in my face, and some was like, why you should do it?
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Laetitia
Oh, now I know people go.
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Chris
So when I watch, when I watch my replays, sometimes in workshops I go like this and I'm really listening. And and then I'm like, Holy moly, I've moved a thousand times in like 10s.
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Laetitia
Yeah. So funny. We say stay, stay still. How can we. Yeah.
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Chris
What even is that? Philae. Where's Philae is like. And I'm like.
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Filly
Well that's that's actually I don't know. You've probably noticed that Crystal changed the, the video and kind of like depending on who's talking I love it.
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Chris
I always I said, oh I.
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Filly
Always thought that that was just like a tech thing. You just trying to like be fancy. But I think it might be a regulating thing to maybe.
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Chris
But I enjoy it.
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Laetitia
It's so cool.
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Chris
I don't then I don't need to edit the video after I get out. It's just all done at once.
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Filly
Oh my gosh. Okay, so when you say you burnt out and then you started returning back to to you, and learning about the different parts of you. That's it. Pretty quick. Like two weeks of burnt out and then like, this is what I need to do to heal. Had you already had prior experience? No. Okay. It wasn't.
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Filly
How long did this take and how did you find your way here?
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Laetitia
Yeah. No, no, that was not that quick. It's like the first two weeks definitely, of cutting all the external noise and being back in touch with myself, which actually I loved when I was little, sitting by myself, you know, on a branch, on a tree or reading a book in nature, in silence. And that's how I grew up, fully.
00:24:11:01 - 00:24:30:02
Laetitia
Nature, always running barefoot and all of this kind of thing. When you imagine I was in the heart of Paris, taking the metro all the time, the smell in the metro. Oh my gosh, everyone goes to Paris like, oh, all right. So I'm like, try and get the metro every day. And the smell and the light and the noise and the people touching you and like, I can't send it.
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Laetitia
So I just took like, two weeks where I made space. And so that's when I started feeling back into those rituals and those practising of connecting back to my intuition. But then I took two more extra week, and then I decided to resign. And then we moved to Australia, and then I took six months off. So it was not like, you know, it's what I always say.
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Laetitia
It was an overnight thing of many months, but it's yeah, it took a few months to really reconnect with myself and Unpeel the layer of everything that has been imprinting in me being very much gifted from a very young age and having teacher, you know, pushing me down a certain path and being like, oh my gosh, she's going to be perfect at doing this.
00:25:14:12 - 00:25:34:20
Laetitia
And, you know, then the the manager in consulting pushing me to be this and then the partner in consulting me like, oh my gosh, it's going to be the next, you know, leading partner in the firm. And you know, like following always someone else's path because I was in the phone response to the people pleasing response and in the oh, I can do that.
00:25:34:21 - 00:25:56:16
Laetitia
I'm smart enough so I can do that, I can take that on and so on. So it was it was more than two weeks, but definitely I could feel very quickly when I wired all the sound around me. That I had known that before through my upbringing. And it was just a reclaiming of who I was meant to be, in a way.
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Laetitia
And this detour was very helpful because actually, those many years where I fit in and I had these career, learnings and knowledge that I can use today in my career as well, and I help people in a very strong way because I had these neuro normative ways of working for a long time, so I can relate to those around me while neurotypical, and I can help them with that.
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Laetitia
So yeah, so really it was it was longer than that, and it was a reconnection to who I was. So I think your question was, when you're exposed to your intuition at a younger age. Yes, definitely. My upbringing, which I share quite a bit in my book related to How to Trust Your Intuition and Build a thriving business, was definitely highly connected to intuition, to the cycle of nature, to slow life, to.
00:26:51:05 - 00:27:18:23
Laetitia
We don't need much to be happy. I had a very humble and bringing so really a way to be always connected to the things that are happening around you and trusting you as a sacred vessel to know what's best moving forward. So it was very much nurture. When I was five, I was introduced to meditation to help me with my high anxiety, which we know now is linked to my autism and my hyperactivity, and I post sensitivity.
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Laetitia
So I would go and meditate with my dad through, like, a mentor that he had. And I was sitting this cushion and meditate and learn about tapping. So EFT, I think it's called in Australia. So tapping my body and connecting with my physical envelope and making decision based on my intuition, my dad would always say, connect with your intuition.
00:27:43:11 - 00:28:10:11
Laetitia
My dad is a healer and I, as you know, the gift of the family as well. And so it's it's really about feeling energy and connecting back. But I rejected all of this because my path was about honouring my strength in mathematics and in pattern seeing and in framework. And, you know, striving in the for profit, mechanism and, and being a leader in that space.
00:28:10:11 - 00:28:16:12
Laetitia
So I had completely lost connection with my intuition. That's so cool.
00:28:16:14 - 00:28:38:12
Filly
In like everyone and generally speaking, I think everyone or a lot of people have heard the word intuition that none of you know, a lot of people really understand what it is like. What's your definition of intuition. And I'll add in the follow up question now. Otherwise I might forget just the way that you said my dad had a gift.
00:28:38:12 - 00:28:56:09
Filly
And now and I also have the gift like is is something that only certain people have or like, everyone has access to their intuition and but is it kind of like on a spectrum of I'm super intuitive or I'm only like a little bit intuitive? And how does that grow? If possible?
00:28:56:11 - 00:29:23:11
Laetitia
Yes, I love this question. And so let's start with the definition. And then let's go into the gift and let's go into how everyone can strengthen it. So my definition of intuition is defining intuition through a different lens and adding different layers. So first of all you intuition is something that is coming from your subconscious. You cannot really explain why you like I need to do this.
00:29:23:11 - 00:29:44:15
Laetitia
Like I need to move to Australia. Never been there, for example. Why? I just don't know. But I know this is what I need to do. So it's some things that is not making sense from a conscious level, but it is making sense from a subconscious level. And so this subconscious, some people will say it's based on past experience.
00:29:44:17 - 00:30:12:21
Laetitia
Yes. It's based on things that have been told to you. Yes. But for me it's also based on connection to source. Whatever you believe in, whether you believe in energy, whether you believe in God, whether you believe in goddesses, whether you believe in your animist and you believe in everything as an energy. It's a mix of those three which is coming through you in those moments of knowing.
00:30:12:23 - 00:30:28:23
Laetitia
So for me, intuition is, is knowing where someone else is going to challenge. And you're like, look, I know this is what I'm meant to be doing. And they ask you why. You know, the five whys that we used to ask in consulting, but why and why and why? I don't know, but I know this is what I'm meant to be doing.
00:30:29:00 - 00:30:50:14
Laetitia
What I mean. And every time I trust trusted that, you know, knowing that moment of, for me, the sensation of, for some people, it's a hard extension. For some people, it's a tingle in their crown. For some people, it's like this, you know, sensation on the tips of their fingers. Everyone is having a different sensation. That moment which I held my phone connect with.
00:30:50:14 - 00:31:10:02
Laetitia
What is that sensation? But it's this moment where you're like, I know, but why? I know. And when I said, we're going to pack everything, we're going to rent our apartment, Paris, we're going to move to Australia. My husband, when I was that, you know, when I say those kind of thing, it's like it's coming from someone else.
00:31:10:02 - 00:31:27:09
Laetitia
In a way. It's like channelling this in. It's like, okay, oh, when we build this apartment, it's like, okay, we're going to this house. Sorry. I was like, okay, we're going to move there, we're going to buy a house there. We're going to live there. I was like, okay. It just was moments where I know, I just know.
00:31:27:09 - 00:31:50:06
Laetitia
And it's not that I am strong headed is just, I know. And in other moments where it's not coming from my intuition, then I'm open to have those generative dialogue in conversation. And I can answer why questions. Because it's more coming from the brain and from something that is rational and conscious. So I can just discuss it when it's intuitive.
00:31:50:06 - 00:32:05:16
Laetitia
I say to everyone to know if it's your intuition or if it's your ego is if it's your intuition. You can't explain why. If it's your ego, you can start entering into the answering of the why question. Okay, so that's around the definition. You want to add something before I,
00:32:05:18 - 00:32:35:04
Filly
Yeah. Before we go into the growth, I had a few questions. Feel free to jump in, Chris, if you have something. Like this because sometimes I, I notice. Well, this is a conversation that comes up in our, like, with our clients as well, which is I'm like, you're coming into Virgo. Is that like, sometimes I think like I think I've tapped into my intuition, but then the monkey brain, like the thinking brain will switch on.
00:32:35:04 - 00:32:52:21
Filly
So is that sort of like what you mean by ego? It's your intuition. And then the ego is the one that will come in and be like, no, but you can't do this, or this is the logistics of why this won't work. And, so it's almost like it stamps out the the deeper knowing that is going to be good for you.
00:32:52:22 - 00:33:12:19
Laetitia
Yeah. In the language you can know when it's the intuition because it's I know I want. Whereas as soon as you say I think you're connecting with your thinking brain or I feel you're connecting with your emotions, whereas when I know, I know I need to do that, I know I want to do that. I know this is what I want to do.
00:33:12:21 - 00:33:38:16
Laetitia
It is why you side and then, you know, you know, it's your intuition. But unfortunately, as we've been raised around not trusting your intuition and stuff with your intuition and intuition is bullshit and intuition. Not a lot like trust data, but what I always say is like, you can tell whichever story you want about data. Yeah, I've been a general manager in data and I use this principle.
00:33:38:18 - 00:33:39:14
Laetitia
I'm telling you, I think I've.
00:33:39:19 - 00:33:41:13
Filly
Done everything.
00:33:41:15 - 00:33:46:04
Laetitia
Now. I haven't yet, but I haven't yet. But I will.
00:33:46:06 - 00:33:51:10
Chris
I get you, sister, I understand, I see it, I know it, I get it.
00:33:51:12 - 00:33:52:20
Laetitia
I know.
00:33:52:22 - 00:33:56:00
Chris
This my sister from another miss that I get it.
00:33:56:04 - 00:33:59:03
Laetitia
It's.
00:33:59:05 - 00:34:16:02
Laetitia
So affirming, you know, it's like. Yeah. So I was so when I went out and and I joined Telstra, I was a general manager in strategy and then I was born and I went into AI and big data. And so when I worked in big data and AI, I'm telling you the data don't say anything. You make sense of the data.
00:34:16:07 - 00:34:32:19
Laetitia
They can tell whichever story you want. And when I was in strategy consulting we would do that as well. It's like, is it right to our profit? 20% depends on the story you want to tell. Is it great or is it that is 20% a good profit margin or it's a bad profit margin? It depends on the industry.
00:34:32:19 - 00:34:54:09
Laetitia
It depends on if you want to be acquired, if you want to sell a business, if like, what is the story you want to tell. So it all starts with what you want to say. The data will just validate what you want to say. And so that's where I'm like, we've been heavily relying on data and we have trillions and trillions of data thrown at us every day.
00:34:54:11 - 00:35:18:05
Laetitia
How do we make sense of all of this through our intuition? What's good, what's bad? What do you want to follow through? Your intuition will tell you. So it's critical more than ever to strengthen your intuition to a question. Is everyone intuitive? Yes, 100% of us can be intuitive. They've been a neuroscientist in the University of Sydney. We studied for 12 years, and I met him only after publishing my book.
00:35:18:08 - 00:35:44:09
Laetitia
And you published a book a few months after me, and we met, I and we had a conversation about his findings through the brain and doing research in the brain and my findings through trusting my own intuition. And we have similar finding, which is it finds that 100% of us are capable of using our intuition, but it's like going to the gym and lifting one kilo, two kilo, ten kilo of 50 kilo, 100 kilos, 300 kilo, whatever you're capable of, of lifting.
00:35:44:11 - 00:36:02:18
Laetitia
So not everyone has the same capacity for lifting. Like being autistic. I don't have the same capacity for holding space for people and supporting the light and the sound and all that. I don't have the same capacity for lifting 300 kilos. I would never be able to do that even though I trained for years. So we are all capable of using our intuition.
00:36:02:18 - 00:36:29:11
Laetitia
We are all capable of strengthening. It's then you have people who are more sensitive than others, and there is this thing which hasn't completely been proven by science yet. So that's why I don't want to side. And then, you know, it's like, oh my gosh, it's easier said. But actually it's been proven wrong. So and I put a key that I have which hasn't been researched yet, and I spoke with this researcher for him to stop searching it because we can see neurodivergent brain now through scan.
00:36:29:13 - 00:36:55:08
Laetitia
So how is a connection to intuition if you are neurodivergent? The things that, if proven, is people who have and Fantasia, which is you can see picture in your brain tend to struggle a bit more with intuition. So that's just something to know that has been proven. But around neurodivergent. See, I think my hypothesis is when you're neurodivergent, you're way more connected to hypersensitivity.
00:36:55:10 - 00:37:24:15
Laetitia
So you're way more connected to things that other people may not feel. Which is why I mentioned the gift. My dad is autistic and he has the ability, without touching you to know where you are in pain in your body. And I have this ability to, even though I don't use it as a business, not something I do, but I have this kind of medium shape ability, which is not something crazy, is just as if I connect with you telepathically and your body is telling me where you're hurting.
00:37:24:17 - 00:37:30:19
Laetitia
Yeah. Wow. This is that's how it feels. Yeah. So it's intuition, but also connected to telepathy.
00:37:30:19 - 00:37:52:10
Filly
No way. You mentioned visualisation before. You used a different word. Because some people, like, I'm thinking about clients that we've worked with as well. And when we're doing kind of like more the healing work and tapping into the imagination, a lot of people freak out if they can't see things, but some people can't feel either, and it's more purely auditory.
00:37:52:10 - 00:37:59:10
Filly
So can intuition drop in sometimes as a thought? Or is that the ego?
00:37:59:12 - 00:38:24:15
Laetitia
Oh, that's a very good point. I can drop in. So not necessarily I just heard, but as you mentioned, auditory as something being clearly said in your brain and those hearing voices is nothing dangerous. You're not bipolar. Yeah. You are just hearing your intuition talking to you. So that's very powerful to actually know that intuition is not always expressed in the same way.
00:38:24:15 - 00:38:44:07
Laetitia
And that's where I'd like everyone to start connecting with their intuition every day to see where it feels in their body, how they can hear it, how they can see how they can taste it. Because we all have different senses that are expressing to us. You know, we have the Claire audience, the clairvoyant, the clinician, the Claire sentient.
00:38:44:07 - 00:39:15:11
Laetitia
So cognition. So we all have different plans that are activated and our intuition would be expressed differently. So there is an over emphasis on seeing when you do a visualisation. And imagination. But you can bring those people into those spaces where they can connect with their intuition. And of course, it's harder because you don't see like a clear picture, but they can hear a sound or feel taste or having someone, you know touching their shoulder or like feeling the sense of touch on their body.
00:39:15:11 - 00:39:29:23
Laetitia
And this is where the answer is. We need to have them starting to connect with those sensual senses experiences so that they can know what is happening and make a decision based on that.
00:39:30:01 - 00:39:55:18
Filly
Yeah, that's so cool. I definitely feel like I'm kinaesthetic and that's how we'll also data as well driven. But the bit when there's, there's stillness and quiet this and I'm open to receiving that intuition. Then like the knowing will be felt in my body. I think you used a word of like the open heart space. So it's almost like my heart bursts with like rainbows and butterflies and sunshine.
00:39:55:18 - 00:40:00:13
Filly
It's just like this. Is this is where I need to be.
00:40:00:15 - 00:40:23:23
Laetitia
Yeah. And your intuition cannot be expressed. You know, there are some elements where you can trust and you cannot trust your intuition. So I can go into that if you want, in a moment. But there is also a special place where you can listen to your intuition if you're rushing and running all the time, and you're also always on, I think this parasympathetic system being activated, you're just on the go, go, go.
00:40:24:04 - 00:40:50:04
Laetitia
It's very hard for your intuition to be heard because you're driven by your head. Whereas if you slow down and you tune in or you have a moment of quiet, that's when you can listen to it. So one of the key moments where I say trust your intuition is when you know that you're at peace, you're not having you know, you can use a mood app for that, you know, check in quickly with your mood.
00:40:50:04 - 00:41:12:17
Laetitia
You're like, oh, how is my mood? If you are very heightened mood or a very depressed mood or, you know, a mood that is quite in an extreme, it's very hard to connect within and hear your intuition. You're going to react from the emotional body rather than from the grounded, peaceful, intuitive body. So bringing awareness around this, then you can trust your intuition.
00:41:12:17 - 00:41:34:17
Laetitia
If it's something that you are kind of doing for the first time and you've never had any experience before because your ego will drop in number like this is not safe. This is not safe. So trying to keep you safe and so you won't be able to listen to your intuition. So I always say start with small decision to strengthen your intuition.
00:41:34:19 - 00:41:56:18
Laetitia
Yeah. Start with the smallest decision day by day before you decide to buy a house or move out. You know, in another country, like the extreme intuitive decision that I make, start with those small decision around, you know, decision around what you want to eat and no intuitive eating if it's going for the sugar is not intuitive eating, intuitive eating if it's going for the whole food.
00:41:56:18 - 00:42:08:17
Laetitia
Yes, it's intuitive eating, but if it's going for the sugar, it's not intuition. It's your body tricking you for the sugar load. So knowing when to use it and when to not to use is actually very powerful.
00:42:08:21 - 00:42:33:17
Filly
Yeah. That's cool. Okay, so this is great because I think for people to really understand what intuition is at a deeper level. And then how what and I feel like your story kind of spoke some truth here, but if you want it to go in deeper or a different angle, how could not listening tuning into your intuition lead to burnout?
00:42:33:17 - 00:42:37:14
Filly
Chronic health issues like where have you seen that show?
00:42:37:16 - 00:43:01:09
Laetitia
Yeah. So definitely burnout is a big one. What I have seen is a lot of people, kind of going through depression, you know, being like, oh my gosh, I'm not happy with this. And feeling very stuck. The sense of stuckness that you have when you're not trusting your intuition, you can also go to and I share this story in my book of one of my clients feeling like you've lost your mojo.
00:43:01:09 - 00:43:24:20
Laetitia
You don't even know why you're doing what you're doing. Yeah, because you've just you haven't been following your own intuition. So it's just you're following someone else's dream, or you're building a business around someone else's expectation of what a successful business looks like. So reconnecting with your intuitions and you can lean towards what what is the reason why I am doing this?
00:43:24:22 - 00:43:32:22
Laetitia
Because a lot of people, they start running their business like they they're going back to a 9 to 5 when actually you like to go and get a 9 to 5, then.
00:43:33:00 - 00:43:33:16
Filly
It's a lot easier.
00:43:33:16 - 00:43:53:00
Laetitia
Because, yeah, it's a lot easier. And don't recreate the things that you hated about your 9 to 5. Like, I don't want to go to an office space. I run my own business because I want to be by myself. Okay, autistic now, very clearly now, I want to be by myself. And if I have to be in a room and facilitate a workshop.
00:43:53:00 - 00:44:24:16
Laetitia
Yes, but once a week. That's what I can do, is that's what I have capacity to give without burning out. So you when you don't trust your intuition you may face all of those challenges, chronic illness. And you can go to those extreme as well. And having, you know, cancer, which is one of the stories that I share in my book, like your body will try to tell you, the word disease in French is called malady, and it's the pain says something,
00:44:24:18 - 00:44:56:05
Laetitia
That's camel. So the pain says something. So it's about listening to the pain. And what does the pain has to say? And if you connect more often to this migraine or this achy feeling in your body, or this, like, where is that coming from? How can I fall back into alignment and listening to the subtle sign? So I'm also now you've had a practitioner in and I always say, listen to this subtle sign before it becomes 2 or 2 advanced.
00:44:56:05 - 00:45:19:01
Laetitia
And then the ancient are you ready? Practices won't be helping you and you'll go through Western medicine, because that would be the only way to heal yourself. Whereas if you listen to the subtle discomfort of a dosha imbalance, or if a diet imbalance, then you're like, oh, okay, so I could shift this like I noticed that being kapha, if I eat, you're good, then I have very egg.
00:45:19:01 - 00:45:29:18
Laetitia
I'm not kapha, but just for the example, then you can quit the yoghurt and be like, oh, okay, it's not that I'm dairy intolerant, it's because I need to listen more to what I feel in my body.
00:45:29:20 - 00:45:56:01
Filly
I love that. Yes. We talk about like in our practice loving messages. So pain pain is a loving message when you've gone out of alignment with self. Pain is trying to bring you, bring you back something something's under is something's dangerous around the path that you've gone on. Because you're now disconnected with self. Would you say like the sensations in the body or like disease?
00:45:56:01 - 00:46:02:06
Filly
Is that a way that intuition talks to you? Or that's kind of more a by-product of not listening to intuition.
00:46:02:08 - 00:46:33:19
Laetitia
I think it's your intuition will speak to you through your body if you're kinaesthetic, so you will feel this expansion in. You have the tingle you know, in your head. I have some clients we feel like as if someone is tapping them on the shoulder. I'm like, oh, that's interesting. So you will have, you know, physical sensation. But here I was more using that as the disease, like the signal of your body that you need to listen and tune in with your intuition rather than, you know, everyone says you need to eat more of this, and then you eat all of this and then you're actually getting sicker or feeling more tired or like, look
00:46:33:19 - 00:46:54:23
Laetitia
back and listen to your own body and to your own intuition. And I love the concept of intuitive eating, but unfortunately a lot of people are using it to use it for craving. When if you're really having a healed relationship with food and you use intuitive eating in the right way, then it is very much powerful to do that.
00:46:54:23 - 00:47:24:02
Laetitia
But there is some healing that needs to happen around this, especially if you had any trauma around food and and things like that. So what I always say is trusting your intuition is a healing pathway. If you will need to access, you will access a clearer intuition. The more you heal your own shadow and your own trauma and the own thing that gets in the way of you listening to your true self leaking like speaking through you like your inner knowing.
00:47:24:04 - 00:47:45:12
Laetitia
But to listen to that you know, knowing you need to get rid of all the crap. So it's not an easy path. Like there is no shortcut. It's not. Trust your intuition and everything will go right. It's a journey like everything, right? And I have client like I had a client this morning was like, so sick of, you know, the crap that I need to get rid of to run my business with the intuition and strategy.
00:47:45:12 - 00:48:09:15
Laetitia
I'm like, I know that that is an empowering path. Yeah. And she was like, yeah, but this is a hard way. It is definitely a hard way because every one of us have a different intuition and a different way to grow our business. That's why I don't believe in the blueprint and the shortcut in the overnight success. We all have our own path and our own journey, and it's about enjoying the journey, right?
00:48:09:17 - 00:48:13:09
Laetitia
Even though sometimes we don't have the views. But that's what we need to do.
00:48:13:10 - 00:48:37:20
Filly
Yeah. Well, it's I think it's connecting back to a lost language as well. So that's going to take time and it's going to be windy and trial and error. So talking about it. So you do a lot of work with ladies business owners. How do you see that intuition playing a role in terms of growing a thriving business or company?
00:48:37:22 - 00:49:05:08
Laetitia
Yeah. So you said you love data. So I'm going to share with you some data. So, 20% of leaders would trust their intuition, generate more profits than those who don't. So it's not a research done by me. It's not by you, which is a renowned consultancy firm. And I've studied data and it's something that I use in my keynote to, you know, because I deliver keynote in front of Amazon Web Services, big teams of white cisgender dude.
00:49:05:10 - 00:49:22:02
Laetitia
Sorry to include you in that, but, you but it's like Chris sorry, but many of them don't trust their intuition and they're like, oh, intuition is bullshit. It's more like a female thing when actually it's not. We are all capable of that. So I use those data to bring them in, you know, be like, hey, do you want to generate more profits?
00:49:22:07 - 00:49:44:13
Laetitia
And then also when you have Team Wood trust, intuition, you have better cohesion and better, diverse thinking and moving forward. Why is that? Because as everyone is having a different intuition and intuitive knowledge that is different then you fosters is divergent thinking and this creative thinking and innovative space. So I really highly encourage every leader to do that because then it's a competitive edge.
00:49:44:15 - 00:50:12:09
Laetitia
Your intuition is something that no one can access but you and no one can copy it. So when you weave together intuition with strategy, you just have a business that is uniquely run like you, and no one else can copy a CEO or a leader who is intuitive and strategic at the same time. And I love to use both because the strategy is actually a container.
00:50:12:09 - 00:50:32:08
Laetitia
Like think of a glass of water as a strategy, as a container, and then your intuition, which is a water, can flow through. If you don't have a container, then the water goes everywhere and nowhere and you can't drink. So it's about adding the container as a strategy and the intuition you need. So I'm not saying don't look at the data, don't have a strategy, just go with the flow.
00:50:32:10 - 00:50:59:02
Laetitia
Or I'm not saying just go with the flow. I'm saying you need both so that you can really grow your business. So what I have seen in the in the leaders and frontrunners, the business owners that I've supported, is as soon as they start connecting back to their intuition, they're doing things in a way that is so bold, so innovative, so groundbreaking that no one can copy them.
00:50:59:04 - 00:51:00:03
Filly
00:51:00:05 - 00:51:23:03
Laetitia
It's then you stand out in a way that is incredible. And so I want everyone to start doing this rather than what I say, outsourcing your intuition, which is looking at everyone else's, doing their own thing and trying to take it as your thing, which is outsourcing your intuition, you're basically trusting them to tell you what to do.
00:51:23:05 - 00:51:38:09
Laetitia
It's about reconnecting within. And so I love to make myself redundant. I basically, you know, that's my favourite thing to do in the world. It's like helping people to reclaim their own inner knowing so that they don't need me anymore. And I'm like, oh.
00:51:38:11 - 00:51:41:18
Filly
It's like yeah. Now you've got your own coach.
00:51:41:20 - 00:51:42:07
Laetitia
Your own.
00:51:42:07 - 00:51:43:13
Filly
Mental intuition.
00:51:43:17 - 00:52:08:02
Chris
That really resonates with me. Data. Data is the path. So if you try and drive a company, if you try and drive your car only through the rear vision mirror, you know you can do it. It's so possible. And that's what data is. It's it's the it's the rear-view mirror. Intuition really is looking forward isn't it.
00:52:08:02 - 00:52:42:10
Chris
And and I think when Felice hinted on this a little bit, we talk about vision or dream outcome or big pitch, a purpose and intent, of what someone would want to have. And I can see some people who we work with who find that challenging because they're so in the past in the rear view, you know, and, this isn't leading into our next question, but but this is something that I'm thinking of.
00:52:42:12 - 00:53:06:18
Chris
What are your thoughts around people who seem to be stuck in the past? Who, who, who have insecurities or stories that, that drive the whole show, you know, and they find it hard to connect with their intuition and, get out of their brain, get out of their mind, you know?
00:53:06:20 - 00:53:35:12
Laetitia
Yeah. So I'd say so. The way I perceive intuition is actually at the middle of this tricky trial of past, present and future. So it's like it's in this middle, this magic moment where you acknowledge the past, you're connected to the presence with deep presence. I share this trick in my book, and you connect with the future and what's emerging and what's willing to be born in the future.
00:53:35:18 - 00:53:59:17
Laetitia
And then in that moment, you have an intuitive nudge. Those who stay focussed on the past, they're not going to be able to have this intuitive nudge because it just trying to repeat the same thing or repeat the pattern or, you know, this unfolding thing of saying, oh, I'm not a good business owner or I'm not good with data, I'm not good with finance or all of the story embedded selling or whatever is their own story.
00:53:59:18 - 00:54:16:07
Laetitia
So as you said, to get stuck in the repetition of the past. So it's very hard to move forward if you stuck in the, you know, in the back, rear real thing of your car. Sorry. I drive an electric car so I don't even know how I, I don't now, I forgot driving a car for five years.
00:54:16:07 - 00:54:37:20
Laetitia
I the other day I drove like a normal car. Sorry. I'm going on an autistic tangent. I love to go back into the present. So, I'm reframing my brain so you get stuck in the boxes. That's where for me, there is a lot of work to be done around acknowledging the past and knowing this pattern and having awareness towards it.
00:54:37:22 - 00:54:58:12
Laetitia
And it's not about ditching it away, it's about acknowledging it. Because this is part of yourself. So it's building a relationship with the past. What is this relationship that you have is your past self and what has been serving you, what hasn't been serving you? And from that, you can then connect with the present, and you can then start connecting with the future, and then you can connect with your intuition.
00:54:58:14 - 00:55:24:06
Laetitia
So as I said, it's not as simple as get rid of the past and let's move on. And it's not as simple as I see in the future. This is what I need to do, but it is so powerful. And having those moments of synchronicity, of those three being beautifully aligned. And then you have this knowing so strong and at the same time you feel so light.
00:55:24:08 - 00:55:47:07
Laetitia
So it's like this feeling of lightness and strong ness at the same time is a moment where you're like, I know that's what I need to do. And that takes healing, that takes time. But when you set the intention of being more and more intuitive, the work is already in motion. You're being helped through the work. Like it's not just your work.
00:55:47:07 - 00:55:50:12
Laetitia
You will be supported through these works. That's what I believe.
00:55:50:14 - 00:55:52:02
Chris
Wonderful. Love it.
00:55:52:07 - 00:56:13:06
Filly
I had a experience last week. We were driving to an awards, so I was, one of four finalists in this awards and part of it was, I gave a five minute speech. Not not like an a winning speech. It was one that I knew that I was giving, and it was more like a pitch, a pitch on my project.
00:56:13:08 - 00:56:31:04
Filly
And I remember on reading my, my speech to Chris and I, I didn't feel it. I was just like, I even at the end of it, I'm like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Chris is like, what even is that? Like, what is the emotion? You're not feeling it? I can't remember what you said, but whatever you said, I.
00:56:31:04 - 00:56:35:23
Chris
Was trying to really nicely say boring.
00:56:36:01 - 00:56:39:06
Filly
By the way, I might have had, chat helped me.
00:56:39:06 - 00:56:41:00
Laetitia
Create it.
00:56:41:02 - 00:56:46:07
Filly
Because I was, like, running out of time quick. Got to get this done. Wasn't.
00:56:46:09 - 00:56:50:16
Chris
That Filipa in there? Like, put to take the robot out, put the filling in there.
00:56:50:17 - 00:57:11:16
Filly
Well, I definitely wasn't like leaning into my intuition or my heart space. And I think whatever you said, it was kind of like, connect. You should be this space should be talking to the person that you can help. And the moment that Chris said that, it's just like, boom, I thought of a client. And then I did a bit of rewriting, thinking.
00:57:11:17 - 00:57:24:12
Filly
I got teary, recited it again in the car and I was like, crying. Like, first that lightness, that openness. And I'm like, yeah, this is my mission.
00:57:24:14 - 00:57:46:17
Laetitia
And this is how people remember it too. Because when you tell those stories that are coming from this inner knowing and this authenticity that is core to yourself, it is it will connect with you way more. And that's where connecting with that is so powerful. And yes, ChatGPT is not intuitive, but ChatGPT, I always say, is like an intern in the team.
00:57:46:19 - 00:58:06:00
Laetitia
So it's as good as you bring it. Yeah. So if we fit very well on premise, there is no shame in using AI. You know, my other business is fully AI understanding Zoetis I love it. I been loving in since 2014. I'm not jumping on the bandwagon in a trend. It's this things that I've been around for a long time and there is no shame in using ChatGPT.
00:58:06:03 - 00:58:26:19
Laetitia
I'm not saying that AI and I actually did a podcast a while ago. I was interviewed around is AI stealing our intuition? No, it's actually enhancing our intuition because it's saving time on the things that we waste time on. So we have more time to connect with our intuition and you know, when you read something that GPT is telling you, or cloud AI or whichever you use perplexity.
00:58:26:19 - 00:58:48:23
Laetitia
Gemini I don't care which model you use. Deep zig. When you use a model and it's coming back with an answer, you know, if it's right or wrong. Yeah. And you're like, no, rewrite this. Yeah. And it moves is you're making decisions decision. You still in connection with your intuition. So would take straight away what's coming out of the AI and use it as is.
00:58:49:01 - 00:59:11:18
Laetitia
Please don't do that by the way. Because then if you do that I can spotted a million miles away, but also it's an IT like authenticity. It lives a story and it lives is in annoying and is intuitive things that you have within each and every one of you. And for now, again backed by research, a lot of researchers, small PhD people are studying about this.
00:59:11:20 - 00:59:22:19
Laetitia
AI doesn't have yet consciousness and doesn't have yet intuition. It may want to fight, but not yet. Yeah, so it's our uniqueness as human. I love it.
00:59:22:21 - 00:59:42:20
Filly
Okay, last question to this has been an awesome conversation, by the way. We've gone like in so many places, something that you're very, passionate about is intuitive selling as well. So with the business owners, ladies that you work with, tell me more.
00:59:42:22 - 01:00:01:20
Laetitia
Yes. So I, I've actually developed a whole framework around intuitive selling. Like, I love a framework because that's my autistic brain. Now we know, but at the time when I developed this, I didn't. I was my autistic Ryan, but I, I love a framework, and I am sick of people telling you how to sell as a funnel.
01:00:01:22 - 01:00:30:05
Laetitia
Like, I'm so sick of this. So that's why we created a way of selling, which is cyclical and which is intuitive, which is all about connecting with your intuition. Every time you have a selling conversation, in every step of the process of selling your trust with your intuition, and then you're only welcoming the right people, the people who would be ambassador for your product, ambassador for your subscription, ambassador for your services, whatever you're selling.
01:00:30:07 - 01:00:51:22
Laetitia
It's just those people would be the right people. So I always I encourage through the intuitive selling, which is a light framework reviewed. So we use a light same as in my book, but we use it for intuitive selling and through the different stages of selling, which again as I said is cyclical. We actually connecting with our intuition in a every step.
01:00:52:00 - 01:01:24:11
Laetitia
So is that your way of selling is unique to you and the people you connect with, other people that you really, truly want to impact and serve the, not those people who are going to buy your product and throw it away. In two minutes. You'll forget about it. Or they buy your subscription and they never show up or they never use a service or the platforms that you've been developing and spending sweat of developing this application and things they all the people will then will use it over and over and over until all their friends and, you know, be an advocate for your brand.
01:01:24:13 - 01:01:34:14
Laetitia
So in the interest of selling, why what I teach, which is truly different to any selling program out there is, it's not about.
01:01:34:16 - 01:01:35:00
Chris
Build.
01:01:35:00 - 01:01:56:00
Laetitia
Awareness, bring people in your funnel. And I don't know why I take this voice, but how it's going to make sure that people don't think that this is my voice. But it's like, it's not about this. It's actually more nurturing. So the intuitive selling way is more like the farmer compared to the hunter. So the traditional way of selling is a hunter.
01:01:56:04 - 01:02:18:11
Laetitia
You go and you kill the intuitive selling. Why is more nurturing and cyclical? It's like the farmer who manned its land and its soil and the water and the air and the sun and cleanses seed and allows the season to fall. And we know that there is nothing like overnight success. Unfortunately, that's what a lot of the nerds boy know.
01:02:18:17 - 01:02:46:13
Laetitia
Field awareness sales straight away are built on what sell our stories, connection, nurturing advocacy from other people, loyalty. It's so again, if you love data in my intuitive selling course, which is evergreen, by the way, anyone you can go in there is like a free masterclass as well on my website. But what I teach is the fact that actually it cost you way less to sell to someone who already borrowed from you.
01:02:46:13 - 01:03:15:14
Laetitia
Again, the farmer than selling, you know, than trying to sell to someone you. You'll make way more profits 95% profit from reselling to someone that you've already sold to, rather than trying to sell to someone completely new to your service so that you're like, the farmer is collecting the seeds at the end of the season and replanting those seeds in the soil for the next year to have, again, those beautiful pumpkin or whatever you're growing in your garden.
01:03:15:19 - 01:03:32:20
Laetitia
Like, for me, it's cucumber, pumpkin and tomato. All the best in my garden. But it's like, what are you gardening? And then reuse those seeds over and over and over. Stop hunting, start farm. In a very biodynamic way, I have to say.
01:03:32:22 - 01:03:35:19
Filly
Yeah. Regenerative soil.
01:03:35:21 - 01:03:38:14
Laetitia
Exactly. Thank you. I had to say.
01:03:38:16 - 01:04:01:02
Filly
I love that it's so good. Okay, so you mentioned the free masterclass. So if there's anyone listening who is in sales or business, there's a great masterclass on your website and you've also got your book, listen it, which is awesome. Chris is going to show a little picture. Maybe he's like searching through your website at the moment.
01:04:01:04 - 01:04:21:17
Filly
And, and the lighted formula to I believe is, kind of like the framework that you'll be doing inside out ending body burn out method program to teach our clients to really lean into their intuition, which I'm so excited about. And the Oracle card deck. You've also got some arcade decks. Can you tell us a little bit more about that?
01:04:21:19 - 01:04:50:08
Laetitia
Yeah, sure. So pretty. I have the feedback from, from a lot of my clients who are leader or entrepreneur about the fact that they would like a deck to go with the book, to have reminder daily of what they could do in their business to help them, and so on. So basically, those cards are born out of this need and it's an oracle deck for those who've never used any oracle deck, or for those who love Oracle deck as much as I do, like I have about 50 Oracle deck.
01:04:50:08 - 01:05:13:23
Laetitia
It's one of my deep interest. So basically those cards are really made with prompts for business owners. So it's about helping them with their intuition and settings or right intention with their business moving forward. So you can pull a card every day, or when you have to make a decision in your business and things like that. So it's about reconnecting, like adding a tool in the physical to help them reconnect with their intuition.
01:05:14:01 - 01:05:36:01
Laetitia
Yeah. Because, you know, when people say flip a coin, they know if this is ahead and they want you to actually, the other side, like, oh, no. So then uniform. So it's this kind of thing, it's like a quarter a reminder of the key intention. So yeah, it's it's it's been received very well. And it's about making Oracle card accessible because I'm very spiritual.
01:05:36:01 - 01:05:46:08
Laetitia
But I understand that not many people are. So I created a new category in the Oracle card space, which is Oracle card for leaders and entrepreneurs.
01:05:46:13 - 01:06:00:05
Filly
I love it. I think that's epitomises what you were talking about in terms of landing strategy with your own intuition. Makes your own like personal thing that no one could replicate as you.
01:06:00:07 - 01:06:01:18
Laetitia
Oh, my. I had so much fun.
01:06:01:18 - 01:06:11:03
Filly
Yeah, this has been awesome. So good. Thank you so much for jumping on to our podcast, and I'm excited to learn more from you inside the workshop.
01:06:11:05 - 01:06:12:17
Laetitia
Thank you.
01:06:12:19 - 01:06:18:00
Chris
Thanks, Leticia.
01:06:18:02 - 01:06:28:04
Filly
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01:06:28:06 - 01:06:46:13
Chris
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