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Chris
Hello and welcome to the Ending Body Burnout Show. We are your host Chris and Filly, co-founders of a multi-award winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues. While busyness.
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Filly
Addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm, it's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplement hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body, get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Filly
Hello!
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Filly
Welcome to the podcast. Today we have a wonderful conversation. Okay, I'm going to start again.
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Filly
Hello! Welcome to the potty. Today we have a beautiful interview with Casey Hibbard, who is a journalist, and we're going to talk all about the tactics to reverse autoimmunity based on hundreds of success stories. So Casey is a journalist and she is a truly inspirational woman who not only healed her own autoimmune symptoms, but she has also gone on to interview hundreds of others who have overcome autoimmunity and chronic health conditions to discover why some people heal and other stay stuck.
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Filly
So this will be really meaty. There is very common themes that show up in this interview, and with all the people that she has interviewed, as well as taking all of our client base. And yeah, if I would definitely encourage you to listen to this, see if there's any missing pieces in your own healing journey, or maybe you are working on some of these core themes, but it can just be a reinforcement of going deeper into working on these areas of your whole self that will help you to get unstuck and have the help that you want.
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Filly
So Casey Hibbard ended her own autoimmune symptoms and lab markers, then set out to understand how and why some people recover while others stay stuck. She's the founder of the digital magazine Rebuilding My Health and author of Overcoming Autoimmunity Real Recoveries and What You Can Learn From Them. Through her platform, she has interviewed hundreds of people who have healed from chronic illness using root cause approaches.
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Filly
And today, she shares the common threads behind sustainable recovery and why healing is far more possible than most people are told. And what I think is most powerful about this episode is we are providing space to talk about success stories, which is a big part of rewiring the brain to look for evidence of healing. And sometimes that does start outside of you, especially if you're someone who has been struggling with health issues for a long time.
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Filly
You've tried a bunch of stuff. You're still not where you want to be. When you can hear success stories. It helps to provide hope and to know that, hey, if it's possible for that person, then it can be possible for me. And also, sharing your own success story helps to metabolise unprocessed trauma that has been wrapped up in potentially years, maybe even decades of chronic health issues.
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Filly
So really hope you enjoy today's episode. And if you are someone who has had a beautiful healing journey and a success story, even if you're not 100% where you would like to be yet, please feel free to reach out to Casey to share your own story on her, digital magazine and the work that she's doing.
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Chris
To this episode of the Ending Body Burnout show. Filly and I have a guest on today's show welcoming into the studio Casey.
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Casey
Hey Chris and Filly, so excited to be here to chat with you today.
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Filly
Yay! We are two because you have won your own fascinating health journey. And also you are the author. I'm going to get the title right Overcoming Autoimmunity, Real Recoveries, and what you can learn from them. And what I love about what you've done with the book is you haven't just shared your own story, but you have interviewed hundreds of people with autoimmune conditions, chronic weird health issues, and discovered key themes around why people heal.
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Filly
Or some people heal and others stay stuck. So I'm super excited to dig into those themes with you today.
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Casey
Yeah. Likewise. Yeah. Thanks for having me.
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Filly
Awesome. All right. Let's start off with your own healing journey. I think our listeners really love to get into the nitty gritty of, like, not only who is this person, but why. Why should we be listening? And, yeah, hearing your own journey. So when you started showing up with chronic health symptoms, can you explain what was happening in your life, what that looked like for you health wise, and paint in that picture?
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Casey
Yeah, absolutely. So it was pretty soon, maybe within a year or two after having a baby and things just started unravelling one at a time. You know, just super, super tired. That seemed like more than new, mom. Tired. And I was starting to get arthritis in my hands and my toes. I was having a ton of gut issues.
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Casey
I mean, I'd had them throughout my life, but they were just much worse than they had been and just a lot of inflammation. And when I was tested for anti-nuclear antibodies, had the lab marker for autoimmunity, I had I had autoimmune activity and that would go up each time I would be tested. So I knew that things were going in the wrong direction.
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Casey
And I needed to, you know. Well, at that point I didn't think, oh, I need to turn it around, because at that point I was in conventional medicine and didn't think, oh, this is something that could be turned around. I was like, wow, I'm 40. And this is kind of the beginning of the big decline for the rest of.
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Filly
The end.
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Casey
Yeah. Like this is this is when it starts. I have a two year old and this is when it starts. And so and I think the wake up call or the scariest point was I ended up in the I doctor's office for blurry vision in one eye. And she said that it's inflammation, systemic inflammation. It's not just this I problem.
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Casey
We can give you drops for you need to be looking deeper, you know, and I'm glad that she said that and was smart enough to realise that it was systemic inflammation.
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Filly
So interesting. What were you given diagnoses or labels? Yeah, yeah. What did that.
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Casey
So I started started yeah. Started going to all the ology that gastroenterology, interreligious the rheumatologist, etc.. And so I ended up getting some gut diagnoses basically. And then in terms of the auto immune diagnoses, I didn't get a specific autoimmune diagnoses diagnosis at the time. They just were saying your autoimmune markers are going up. We don't know what it is yet.
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Casey
And so I think in hindsight, it I'm glad I never got a specific diagnosis for that because then I didn't have something to latch on to and go, oh, I have this. So yeah. So I really in terms of healing, it really started with the gut because I got a diagnosis for small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, which is a really common gut thing where you have too much bad bacteria in the wrong place.
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Casey
And and then from there I went down a rabbit hole.
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Filly
Can I ask, was that with conventional doctors? Or by this time you were kind of looking into functional medicine?
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Casey
Yeah. So that was with a conventional doctor. But the way that I got into actually kind of natural path medicine next was or functional medicine, was that the fix that they gave me for it in the conventional doctor's office didn't fix it. So I started seeing a natural path who helped me come up with a whole, sorry.
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Filly
Can I, can I, can I.
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Filly
You okay if I jumping? I'm just curious because in Australia people don't get diagnoses. Are we in with Sibo in conventional medicine it's really rare. So it would be sort of. So I'm just like, oh very interesting. Was it just antibiotics. It's like take these antibiotics and you'll be fixed. Is that what you meant by you were given something but it didn't quite correct what was going on.
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Casey
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And right it was I you know, I guess I was lucky that, you know, I was in the insurance system, I was in the conventional system. And I did get that diagnosis. And so it kind of I knew what I was dealing with. They gave me the antibiotics. But I think I later learned that it wasn't a very I wasn't doing other things.
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Casey
I wasn't changing my diet. I wasn't maybe working on the fact that, you know, my motility wasn't great, like my gut was damaged. And so, you know, the next steps were really to work with someone who helped me change my diet and take some herbs to heal it, and then also work on motility, like take some stuff to make sure that all that, like the sweeping motion of my digestion, was working correctly.
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Casey
And so with all of that, I, I cleared that and then went on to clear a bunch of other gut health stuff, which surprisingly helped with the inflammation. So, like, my story really is a lot about how gut health was the pathway in many ways for for healing a lot of the other things.
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Filly
Yeah. What else did it look like with the Healing journey? Because I imagine there was a holistic approach, not just working on the gut, whether or.
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Casey
Right, exactly, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. You talk a lot about adrenals and adrenal fatigue and all of that. And that was definitely a part of my story, to have somebody actually run some tests and look at that and identify that. And I had to issues pretty, pretty bad issues, which I'm sure was part of the fatigue, etc.. And so that that was a piece of the puzzle as well.
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Casey
And diet was huge for me, honestly, in terms of symptom management and then just overall reducing inflammation and, you know, healing long term, I, I kind of did that one thing at a time. I baby stepped it started with removing dairy and then removing gluten like kind of just kind of refining it to to get it to where it was.
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Casey
I was eating a nourishing diet that was not inflammatory for me.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah.
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Casey
Yeah, yeah.
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Filly
So I'm always curious because I, I mean, in our practice we'll look at our, we have a model where it's we always start with symptoms or people experience symptoms in their body. And then, you know, you could treat the symptoms, but it can feel like throwing spaghetti at all and seeing what sticks. So there's always going to be some sort of body system imbalance underneath the symptom, which you've talked about.
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Filly
That was a drain or fatigue and gut issues and Sibo and inflammation. And then I, like Chris and I always get very curious around why, like, okay, it's all it's great to know where those physical imbalances lie so we can start therapeutically treating those issues. But in your your own healing journey, did you get underneath the why. Like why was there adrenal fatigue and then why did that.
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Filly
Well, yeah. Why were there gut issues? What was happening underneath the surface in terms of how you were being? Because it's interesting to I'm like, oh, you had a baby at 38 years old. Yeah. Which is probably like a little bit later in life. But I'm curious what else was happening in your life around then, like, were you working at the same time, and what were your patterns and what actually led to your body screaming at you with inflammatory markers?
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Casey
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. Probably. I was definitely working at the time and had a toddler. And I think when I really look back at it and you talk about a lot of talk a lot about this as well, just that I had been pushing myself for a long, long time and not really taking. I didn't really have much self in terms of self-care, and that's something that I've definitely had to figure out and change really to, to slow down and recognise that I am kind of getting ramped up.
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Casey
You know, I am in fight or flight over an email or something, you know, like I and how often I do that, how often the small things are sending me into the state of fight or flight. So yes, there was definitely like the perfectionism and people pleasing as well, which I think has has gotten older. Sorry, gotten better as I've gotten older.
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Casey
But also it's it's something I noticed now I can stop and go, you know, now I need to take a break and embrace some self-care.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah. And what does that look like for you?
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Casey
Yeah, it looks like a lot of different things. Just small things really. Throughout the day I tried to journal. When I wake up, I take breaks to go on walks. I meditate, which is was has never been an easy thing for me, but I've come to enjoy it and, you know, kind of feels, yeah, delicious a little bit.
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Casey
Just like. Just like, feels like I'm, like, nourishing my body in that way by doing that, by just taking, taking some time out and then not taking on too much, you know, being knowing when to say no. Because I've kind of always just like, done, done everything. Yeah. Never said.
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Filly
All the hats. Yes.
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Casey
To everything.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Casey
Yeah. Exactly, exactly.
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Filly
It's interesting what you say about meditation. I remember I was the same. I'm like.
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Filly
Oh.
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Filly
I feel like I have to force myself to meditate and stay still. But it is a practice. And also when it's safe to be. Then like, I'm the same. It's like just so delicious now. And it feels very chalk and cheese. But it is part of the healing journey as well in terms of rewiring these patterns that lead us into health issues in the first place.
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Filly
And similarly with healing, we have another saying you can't heal in the same way that you burn yourself out. So sometimes people approach their healing journey where they're like, have like as a big, long checklist. It's like, I got to do this and this and this and this, and I have to meditate for five minutes, and I have to go for my walk and I have to take my supplements, but it never.
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Filly
Really works out.
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Filly
Well for people. It might fit a short period of time because you're changing the physiology with some of the things you might be doing. But I mean, what I see in our practice after working with thousands of people is that it's not long lasting because at some point it is actually causing more stress and trauma to a system that is already so on.
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Filly
And so that slowing down and actually changing those patterns that led to burnout, a big healing part is how you approach your own own healing. Did you find that in your own healing journey, if you went from like running those perfectionism, people, pleasing patterns, doing everything else, did you approach healing in that way initially and then found that it wasn't working?
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Casey
I think so, I think so, yeah. There is this tendency to do all the things. You know, if someone if I found online, okay, here, here, here's one supplement that can help with what I have. Oh here's another supplement that can help. Like I just would throw everything at it. Like whatever the problem was, I would throw, you know, the ten things at at the problem here is sometimes sometimes less is more.
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Casey
Just kind of like step back and go, you know, like just just chill out of it.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah. I think.
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Filly
It also shows that. So I mean, you know, again, in our practice, we believe that body burnout is a result of a broken relationship with self. And in order to restore that relationship, part of that is becoming in tune with like what do you need and what does your body need? And yes, you can access, expert knowledge lab testing to help you identify what's going on in your body and what your body needs.
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Filly
But it's the do I need ten things, or is my body actually saying, like, I don't want these ten things? This is quite intense. I would prefer to have two things. And that, I mean, that doesn't come straight away. But I guess for anyone listening, that would be my little piece of advice would be to start killing in with your body and and with your deeper self and, and what does your body want?
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Filly
And even if the treatment protocol says do this and this and this and this and this and this order, it's like, how does that feel for you? Does that actually feel life giving and healing, or does it feel like it's creating more stress and putting your system into more flight? Freeze.
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Casey
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And that has been really a huge part of my healing journey, is just noticing, like what? How I'm feeling in response to anything. You know, any triggers in my life, any foods I'm eating, any supplements I'm taking or protocols or whatever because I'm the only one living in my body. You know, a doctor, you know, doesn't know my my body as well as I do.
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Casey
And you know how I'm feeling and how I'm reacting to things. And I keep a journal on my phone of, you know, oh, I'm more tired today. And like, maybe, you know, why is that? Or, you know, just to try to notice patterns and pay attention to things.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah. So in your book and you've also got an online magazine platform called Rebuilding My Health, you have then gone, gone on and interviewed hundreds of people. I'm curious what actually stemmed that. Like what what what was the motivation behind. I'm I'm healing myself and I feel so much better. And now I want to invest all my time and energy into learning.
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Filly
Everyone else's story.
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Casey
Exactly. So I have a journalism background and have been a writer and interviewer for my entire career. And so when I was online and coming across all of these anecdotes in little pockets of the internet of people who were healing things that were not supposed to be fixable, that were typically chronic or really challenging health conditions. I just immediately thought, I want to get these stories out there.
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Casey
And so I just I started with a friend. I was like, can I interview you and publish your story? And then from there, I just started seeking out more and more and building a list of, oh, here's a list of all the different conditions and symptoms and types of stories I want to capture. And and it has been incredibly rewarding to speak to all these people.
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Casey
I'm inspired by everyone I speak to and have the chance to capture their stories. And it's also, interestingly, I think, a little bit cathartic for the folks I'm I'm interviewing because they're kind of like, you know, this is their telling their success story. And it's yeah, it just feels good to do that. So yeah, so that's the inspiration behind it and just just can't stop at this point because it's inspiring to me.
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Casey
And I feel like I'm putting the education out there. Not that someone's going to take one of these stories as a blueprint for how to get better, but to go, oh, you know, it's possible, and maybe get some ideas and some hope from it.
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Filly
We're big advocates in evidence collecting, so collecting evidence that healing is possible. And sometimes when, a new client is struggling with so many issues, it can feel like like there's obviously something inside of them that says it's possible. Otherwise they wouldn't say yes again to another thing. But they tend to also have a lot of failed attempts as well.
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Filly
Well, what they might classify as failed, I actually don't think there's ever any failure, because it's just taking you one step closer to where you want to be. So when we introduce the brain rewiring tool of evidence collecting, it's like start off first externally. If you're struggling to find like even like micro pieces of evidence that you're healing on an everyday basis.
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Filly
Start off with collecting ten minutes of external evidence of finding someone who has similar things that is going on for you, and just like bingeing on that material and like especially the success stories. And you know what? Get out of the Facebook groups that have labels on them. So it's like if you've been diagnosed with this and now there's also there are some lovely Facebook groups that are more positive in nature and possibility, but, you know, things like Reddit and G.
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Filly
I was a part of all sorts of Facebook groups and it's quite dire. It's kind of like people want I'm going to use the word complaining, but sometimes complaining is like, I feel seen and heard, and I know that I'm not the only one, but it can sometimes feed this story of I'm stuck in this health issue. So I do love what you've done.
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Filly
And also something else you said is that it can be really cathartic for the person sharing their story. We have clients that have shared their story on our podcast, many of them.
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Filly
And it.
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Filly
Is like it's a beautiful celebration of not just the results that they have got, but also the challenges and that they've persevered and moved through them and created the health and the life that they want. And I have also read as well that it is quite it can actually metabolise past trauma that can come from chronic health issues, when you can share your story and actually piece it step by step and it's like, and this is what I did and this is how I healed and this is now how I feel a part of the system that can feel stuck in the past from that time can actually be metabolised in the process of storytelling,
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Filly
which is, I think, just so beautiful. Yeah.
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Casey
I love that. I have not heard that before, but it makes sense. You know, it's almost like, you know, you when you journal, you journal your thoughts and your feelings. You know, it is. Yeah. Kind of helping you process it. Yeah. But I didn't I didn't really think of it in those terms. And I love that. It's really beautiful.
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Casey
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Filly
And even to be seen and heard by another human being. There's something really special in that. And then knowing that it's like.
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Filly
This is going to.
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Filly
Go on a platform where potentially hundreds if not thousands of people may hear me and see me. I think that that's really healing and can be really confronting. But to put yourself out there is a really special gift that you can give yourself, and also other people who aren't yet at the point in their journey that they want to be.
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Filly
Or it's like, it's so possible.
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Casey
It's true, it's true. And it's interesting because a lot of people don't want to share their stories. And I understand it's a very personal thing, but a lot of people don't want to share because it was an imperfect story, or they're not 100% there, you know what I mean? Like, but there's so much to learn. They've done so much.
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Casey
They've gotten so much better and healed so much. But they're like, but I still have this one thing that's bothering me. I'm like, you're still a success story.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah.
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Casey
Celebrate that.
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Filly
Yeah. And that's.
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Filly
Also like redefining what it is to actually be a healthy person. Like, I don't think a healthy person is sensation free all of the time because our body is constantly talking to us. It might even be like, hey, you haven't drunk for a few hours, can we have some water? Got a little bit of a headache? Yeah.
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Filly
Okay. So what are the I guess, what are the collection of conditions that you've in, like when you've been interviewing these people? What are what are the main, I don't know, top 5 or 10 things. Just so that anyone listening here is like, oh, okay. I identify with that.
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Casey
Yeah, definitely a lot of autoimmune conditions. I've, I've done a lot of stories on rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, lupus, Hashimoto's, you know, kind of the thyroid autoimmunity, women's health challenges, migraine stories. I've got I've got Alzheimer's and Parkinson's as well. Turnaround stories. And then like toxins and infections like mould illness and Lyme disease those types of things. So my goal really is for whatever someone is dealing with they can ideally find, find stories on my site.
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Casey
And I know I don't have everything yet, but I'm, you know, kind of keeps me going to in the pursuit of trying to. Yeah, cover as much as possible.
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Filly
Yeah. And I love that on your website because you can if someone is like, oh, I have mould in this and I'm really stuck with it. Or maybe it's like the first time that they have realised that's what's going on. You can actually do a keyword search, and it will come up with all the people who have healed from that.
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Filly
Yeah, right.
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Casey
Exactly, exactly. Yeah. And a lot of it is very root cause based. Like, for example, a lot of the folks who have autoimmune thyroid issues also have mould illness. So there seems to be no connection between that. And so like I think, you know, my hope is that someone especially with like a mystery, mystery illness like chronic fatigue or something like that, they can read a story and go, oh, maybe, maybe I'll look into mould or maybe I'll that's an avenue I haven't explored yet, or Lyme disease or something like that.
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Filly
So what is some top of mind inspiring stories that is just like, whoa, that almost feels like a miracle. And especially to conventional medicine, it's like, you shouldn't be. Well, you had this thing and you were, I don't know, bed bound or whatever it looked like for that person.
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Casey
Right? Right. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I think the most inspiring stories to me are the ones where they are so debilitated, they've lost their quality of life. There's a woman named Julie whose story is in the book, and she had five autoimmune disorders, and she had teenage kids at home. She was a single mom with teenage kids, and her daughter came to her and said, mom, you know, I'm worried you're going to die.
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Casey
Like she she was no longer working. She was, you know, just not able to really, you know, do life. She didn't she didn't feel well enough. And she started, you know, very slowly kind of looking at her root causes. And, you know, there was, there was like gut health for sure for her. And I think there were thyroid was an issue for her.
00:30:34:03 - 00:31:01:21
Casey
She really needed to address. And it was it was multi-layered. So diet and I think addressing some toxins as well, just making sure that she was, you know, like eating clean food and using clean products and maybe detoxing from some toxins. And over time, she basically got rid of her symptoms from five autoimmune disorders. And now she's a health coach.
00:31:01:22 - 00:31:21:07
Casey
Like she fixed everything and started a whole new, went back to school and started a whole new career like a lot of folks do with serious illness. But yeah, it's just really inspiring to see this single mom turn our life around and and be well now.
00:31:21:09 - 00:31:33:09
Filly
Yeah. So cool. I'm thinking you go through our podcast and look at like, who has had success stories. If you wanted some more case stories on your website, but I'm thinking.
00:31:33:10 - 00:31:35:01
Casey
I would love. I would love to.
00:31:35:02 - 00:31:37:21
Casey
Yes. Bring me your stories.
00:31:37:23 - 00:32:01:16
Filly
One that comes to mind is and this. Like, it really did feel like a miracle turnaround because it was really fast as well. So Linda, who shared her story in our podcast, she similar thing like diagnosed with many, many autoimmune conditions, even sclerites. So inflammation in the eye as you mentioned when you mentioned that I'm like oh, Linda had that too.
00:32:01:18 - 00:32:28:13
Filly
But when she came into the clinic, she was so crippled in pain. Rheumatoid arthritis was one of them that she could hardly even move her hands, like she went to pick up a pen to write something and really struggled to do that. And in three and a half months, every symptom disappeared, except for there was just a bit of, restriction with her movement, with her hips.
00:32:28:16 - 00:32:57:01
Filly
But like, it was crazy. And even things like health anxiety, food sensitivities, fatigue, like there was heaps of stuff going on. And then one of her dreams was to start pottery because like, physically, she couldn't do it. And so she's like, when I'm well. And she never said if she's like, when I'm well, I'm going to start pottery and I'm going to walk around the beach.
00:32:57:01 - 00:33:18:19
Filly
And, you know, she had all these physical dreams and aspirations. Chris is actually pulling her up on Instagram, and now she's got the most beautiful pottery business. She's got so many followers on YouTube, and really, she really started that probably a year or two ago and just yeah, super special.
00:33:18:21 - 00:33:20:10
Casey
I love it, I love it. Okay.
00:33:20:11 - 00:33:22:00
Casey
Well, I'm going to have to interview her.
00:33:22:01 - 00:33:26:01
Filly
She would love to share her story.
00:33:26:03 - 00:34:00:15
Casey
That would be really fun. Yeah. Sounds good. I mean, I also have an all timer story that was like really close to my heart because my grandmother had Alzheimer's and it was a gentleman in Northern California who got an all diagnosis and lost his driver's license, and he ended up going to a functional medicine doctor near him who did some tests and chatted with them and found that he lives near an Air Force base, and he had high levels of jet fuel in his system.
00:34:00:17 - 00:34:24:01
Casey
So that was definitely part of part of his story, as well as insulin resistance and some hormone imbalances. As he started working through them, he got better, went back to his doctor, got rid of the Alzheimer's diagnosis and got his driver's license back. So it's just amazing.
00:34:24:03 - 00:34:52:16
Filly
Yes, yes, I'm actually thinking of an elderly man we worked with quite a while ago, but he was diagnosed with early Parkinson's. I think it was like shakiness in his 80s. And so anyway, the all the Parkinson's, symptoms disappeared. And the doctors, like the doctors still though, were like, you still have it. It's like, I don't actually think you do.
00:34:52:16 - 00:35:17:23
Filly
And he was like, I feel the best I have since I was like in my 30s. So yeah, I think, I think Alzheimer's, dementia, Parkinson's are definitely conditions where people feel like it is a I am going to have this forever and things are going to decline over time. Which is, you know, as we just shared, it's not the case to everyone, right?
00:35:18:01 - 00:35:47:05
Casey
Yeah. Yeah. And that's one of the and that's what I'm hoping to do is kind of bust narratives, you know, the conventional narratives out there that you have this thing and you have it for the rest of your life, and there's nothing you can do about it except manage the symptoms. And so that's really kind of the rebellious part of the storytelling for me is to go, look, you know, like this person, it doesn't have to be like that, that it's possible to turn it around.
00:35:47:06 - 00:35:57:10
Filly
Yeah, I one of my beliefs is if we can find one person that is healed, this thing, it's possible for anyone. Yeah. And I'm like.
00:35:57:11 - 00:36:00:05
Casey
Yeah, I love that. Do that. And I love that you encourage.
00:36:00:05 - 00:36:06:06
Casey
People to seek out success stories. I think that is such an important mindset step. Yeah.
00:36:06:08 - 00:36:34:04
Filly
It was a big part of my own healing journey. I can't remember if I've said this to you, but especially well, I mean, my journey was very long because I started physically only, and I'm like, there's nothing wrong with my patterns or my mind or my beliefs. Like, what even is the subconscious mind? And so the physical stuff helped for a while, but the symptoms just kept coming back, and I felt like I had to constantly manage myself and wrap myself up in cotton wool.
00:36:34:05 - 00:37:00:17
Filly
Otherwise the symptoms kept popping up. And so when I dove deeper into the metaphysical side of healing, one thing that I did was like I was just listening to podcasts of either, like people who were preaching the word of metaphysical healing and then, like, you know, it's possible that if you change your beliefs, your health issues, like even the physical ones can disappear.
00:37:00:17 - 00:37:19:20
Filly
And then also finding heaps of success stories for people who had similar things, or even if it wasn't similar to me, even if it was like, whoa, like, you can heal that condition. I didn't even know that. Well, of course I can heal my dairy allergy then, like, I can let me let me have a go at this.
00:37:19:22 - 00:37:21:13
Casey
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:21:15 - 00:37:22:06
Casey
Right, right.
00:37:22:07 - 00:37:23:11
Casey
Yeah. So I.
00:37:23:15 - 00:37:39:05
Casey
Walk around in the world believing that most things can be turned around. And so. And I'll say that to somebody, oh, you know, oh, I just wrote a success story about someone who turned around also. And they look at me like I'm a crazy person, like I'm a conspiracy theorist or something.
00:37:39:10 - 00:37:40:13
Filly
It's like, you're lying.
00:37:40:14 - 00:37:41:07
Filly
It's like, no, no.
00:37:41:07 - 00:37:43:03
Casey
No, no.
00:37:43:05 - 00:37:46:19
Casey
Yeah.
00:37:46:21 - 00:38:11:10
Filly
What are the most common things that you have seen that have helped people recover? Like if you could name the top five things that it's like, these are really common in all the people that I have interviewed. Because I think this will also help listeners to kind of orient to are there any missing pieces that they haven't addressed and that, you know, maybe they need to go deeper in?
00:38:11:10 - 00:38:19:19
Filly
Now, obviously everyone is unique and individual and there might be some outliers. But personally in our practice, I see that there's some common themes.
00:38:19:21 - 00:38:49:00
Casey
Absolutely. Yeah. For sure. I hear the same things over and over. I will say, you know, number one mindset, because we were just talking about that. I have come to notice and believe that the mindset has to be there before anything else. You know, for it to be possible, you have to believe you can get better and have that as a foundation because it's such a different place to start from.
00:38:49:01 - 00:39:09:10
Casey
Like, you know, as you said in the Facebook groups, you've got maybe a lot of people who are going, oh, you know, this is it. This is just the way it is. There's nothing I can do about it. So if you start from that place, it's very different of, oh, there's hope. And I believe it's possible that I can, you know, at least improve symptoms.
00:39:09:10 - 00:39:40:05
Casey
If not, get rid of the condition altogether. So, so mindset is, is number one. And something that I notice with everybody. And diet is another one that really, I think every single person I've spoken with has had to change their diet in some ways, you know, because maybe they were eating a lot of processed food or eating something that didn't agree with them, like dairy or gluten or had some other specific sensitivity.
00:39:40:05 - 00:40:13:02
Casey
And it's it's unique. There are some common triggers and problem foods, but diet is a huge healing tool. Absolutely. Gut healing was a big part of my story, and has been part of so many of the stories that I've captured, just, you know, people finding that they're needing to to yeah, do some things like address some infections or bacterial imbalances or whatever.
00:40:13:02 - 00:40:17:07
Casey
I think I had like 4 or 5 different infections. I had to.
00:40:17:08 - 00:40:22:11
Filly
I was the same Seabury parasites, Candida, everything.
00:40:22:12 - 00:40:25:02
Casey
All the things. Oh my gosh.
00:40:25:04 - 00:40:26:17
Casey
Exactly. I had all the same.
00:40:26:18 - 00:40:28:15
Casey
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:28:17 - 00:40:56:21
Casey
The low digestive enzymes like whatever the you know, whatever can can be a problem. I think I had there and toxins and infections are another big one, like the gentleman who had too much fuel in his system or, you know, mould or Lyme disease like these things that typically conventional medicine may not be looking for, may not be running any testing for.
00:40:56:21 - 00:41:29:05
Casey
And so those are often the thing like after ten years or a long time of someone being sick might unlock or barbarous, something like that might be one of the root causes. And the last one I'll mention is stress and trauma and mind body stuff as being so important. So many people would say, well, I got 80% better with kind of a physical approach, like doing, you know, diet and the gut health and all that.
00:41:29:05 - 00:41:42:16
Casey
But I just wasn't I was plateauing, I wasn't getting better until I, like, worked through some trauma stuff or addressed some limiting beliefs. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. That's here.
00:41:42:17 - 00:42:06:02
Filly
Yeah. I would say all five of those things were part of my healing. Definitely. Yeah. And the diet one was interesting because I do like when I was doing solely physical protocols, I was doing it from a perfectionist pattern. So it was kind of like, I've got Candida. This diet says do it for a month. I'll do it for six months.
00:42:06:05 - 00:42:38:21
Filly
So it's kind of like overachieving. But in saying that, I don't regret that I did that because it definitely helped clear some things from my body. But yeah, the diet journey has been transformative over different seasons. So and then there came a time where it's like, you know what? Like actually you being so this is you as in me Filly, you being so restrictive is actually causing more harm here now.
00:42:38:23 - 00:43:07:14
Filly
So can we find like a middle ground where it's like 8020 and yeah, let's play around with could you eat dairy again and could you rewire your pattern so that you could do that. So that and I see that with clients to some often it is like we need to take out the things that are fuelling, putting fuel on the fire initially and then, hey, if you want to eat those things again, like, let's play, let's experiment, let's see.
00:43:07:16 - 00:43:21:11
Filly
Because often the body can handle more of those foods anyway when it's well and there aren't nasty pathogens in the gut and your detox pathways are working, your body's intelligent. It can clear out things that you don't need.
00:43:21:13 - 00:43:41:17
Casey
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Just sort of, you know, like you, I kind of started more restrictive and then kind of loosened up over time to, you know, and I know, I know what, what I can sort of handle or not handle or any kind of what feels good to me. Like what eating keeps me feeling good.
00:43:41:18 - 00:44:11:08
Filly
Yeah. And I think that's the key to. So the the healing journey is coming back to your own sovereignty. It's like, what does my body want? I can trust my body now because we have either broken trust because of patterns of China achieve, prove, defend or and then most people's healing journey starting the medical system where it is, it's kind of like it's not it's not a narrative of, you know, your body best.
00:44:11:08 - 00:44:36:02
Filly
It's kind of like and the person that does the test, that gives you the things, do it, and yet follow me as opposed to. And what I find to around that to is people who have had mystery conditions that are outside the box of conventional medicine. So many clients come to us like new clients and same story.
00:44:36:02 - 00:45:01:23
Filly
I got told that it's all in my head. And so then therefore, people start to question, question themselves and their own body and their own sensations and the signals that are coming from the body. And so then therefore, like every decision that they make around healing or trying to connect back into intuition or like body wisdom, it that has to be relearned again.
00:45:02:01 - 00:45:18:02
Casey
Yeah, yeah. It's true, it's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean a lot of people are put on anti-depressants. It's just like, you know, kind of like, oh, like here's, here's maybe a catch all solution for whatever might be going on. I've heard that so much. Like you've.
00:45:18:04 - 00:45:24:21
Filly
You've got gut issues. You say that it flares up with stress taking antidepressant. It's like right.
00:45:24:22 - 00:45:29:13
Casey
But we address like the underlying reason why the body is having a stress response.
00:45:29:15 - 00:45:30:13
Filly
And then also.
00:45:30:14 - 00:45:31:16
Casey
Like what else is happening.
00:45:31:16 - 00:45:32:10
Filly
Physically in.
00:45:32:10 - 00:45:33:00
Casey
The gut.
00:45:33:01 - 00:45:33:18
Filly
That is.
00:45:33:18 - 00:45:36:01
Casey
Beyond that. Yeah.
00:45:36:06 - 00:45:55:00
Casey
Yeah. I mean I understand like it because it takes time. It can take time to work through these different things and the layers of healing. Sometimes, you know, people. I mean, I would love a quick fix, but have found that the quick fixes are not usually the answer.
00:45:55:02 - 00:45:57:05
Casey
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:57:07 - 00:46:27:17
Filly
Thank you so much. This has been a great confirmation around like what we see in our practice and with our clients as well. Now you have got a freebie that you would love to give to our clients. The eight top steps that helped others with autoimmunity. So you're talking a little bit about that. And also where people can find your book and your digital magazine and yeah, anything else that you feel is relevant.
00:46:27:19 - 00:46:50:20
Casey
Yeah, definitely. Definitely. So I wrote a book of auto immune success stories. And the handout or the freebie is those are the top eight things that I noticed across all those autoimmune stories that seem to be the most common things that really move the needle for people. And as you said, everybody's a little bit different. And so the stories are unique.
00:46:50:20 - 00:47:10:12
Casey
But those are some of the patterns I found. And you can find more stories on my site at Rebuilding My Health. And then I'm also rebuilding my health on the platforms, on Instagram, Facebook and YouTube. And I'd love if anybody wants to share their story. I'm always looking for more stories.
00:47:10:15 - 00:47:11:20
Casey
So definitely.
00:47:12:01 - 00:47:12:23
Casey
Brought to me.
00:47:13:00 - 00:47:13:23
Filly
There's one good.
00:47:14:00 - 00:47:19:02
Casey
Yeah, I shared my story.
00:47:19:04 - 00:47:29:08
Filly
And did people just do that through the the website? Like if or I guess they could reach out through Instagram or Facebook if they if you're sharing their story. Yeah.
00:47:29:10 - 00:47:37:21
Casey
Yeah, I've got to contact us on the website. Or they can definitely reach out on social media as well. Yeah, I'd love to hear from folks.
00:47:37:22 - 00:48:03:19
Filly
Do it people. It's like it's a beautiful gift for self and also to others. And yeah, as we said earlier on, it is it is part of rewiring the the whole self to know that it's possible. So when you can give that gift to other people, it's just a beautiful ripple effect that essentially can change the health industry.
00:48:03:21 - 00:48:26:11
Casey
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah I think it's it's like a snowball effect to yeah, someone shares their story and it touches someone else. And I hear from people regularly like, oh, I finally unlocked a piece of the puzzle because I, you know, I saw this story and it happened and mentioned something that I, you know, a path path I went down and that was the path I needed to go down.
00:48:26:11 - 00:48:33:07
Casey
So, yeah, just to kind of keep passing along the, the spark of hope.
00:48:33:08 - 00:48:37:05
Filly
Yeah. Love that. Very cool. Thank you so much.
00:48:37:07 - 00:48:38:15
Chris
Yeah. Thanks, Casey.
00:48:38:16 - 00:48:43:06
Casey
Thank you. It was an honour and a pleasure to chat with you today. Likewise.
00:48:43:08 - 00:48:50:11
Chris
All righty. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. And hopefully we get to touch touch base again.
00:48:50:13 - 00:48:51:09
Casey
I love it.
00:48:51:11 - 00:48:58:04
Chris
All right. Bye bye.
00:48:58:06 - 00:49:08:06
Filly
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Chris
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