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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Body Burnout show. We are your host, Chris and Filly, co-founders of a multi winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, business, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body.
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Filly
Get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Filly
Hello! Welcome to the podcast. If you are watching on YouTube, you will see that I am on my laptop, so video quality isn't as good in this intro. I'm also the audio quality might not be amazing. You might even hear some squawking in the background. My kids are currently playing outside in the pool making a lot of noise, so that is them.
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Filly
And not a bird if you hear them. But, stick with me in a couple of minutes. When we go to the main episode, we'll jump back to our, good quality video and audio. But I did want to do an intro for this episode because Chris and I interviewed the lovely Carina, from the USA. We are talking all about feeling it to heal it and Somatic Emotional Processing, which Karina is an expert in.
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Filly
And so we're really diving into somatic therapy, feeling emotions and sensations in order to heal not just your mental state, and parts of you mental emotional states, but also your physical body. And we're digging into holding space for the subconscious, unconscious parts of us that need to be heard in order to heal. And these parts of us also have so much wisdom and learning.
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Filly
Stick around to the end of the episode, because Karina will also take us through a somatic healing practice to bring safety back to the nervous system, which was just divine. When Chris and I, were her clients and went through it. Also talking about clients. So clients inside out, ending body burn out method program. We are lucky enough to have this amazing practitioner coming into our ending body burnout method in a few weeks.
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Filly
Time to take you through a somatic healing workshop. The focus will be on communicating with sensations in our body, creating safety in our body. And no talk therapy used in this session. It's going to be or using the somatic neuro sensory parts of our bodies to be able to connect to the messages from our body. And essentially when we can gather those messages and allow them to move through our body, we can heal.
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Filly
So look forward to that session. If you are someone who has been wanting to join our ending body burnout method for a while now, and, this episode peaks your curiosity even more. Please feel free to pop your name down on the wait list for our ending body burnout method. We do open doors in a few weeks as well, so Carina will actually be holding the workshop during our launch week with doors open.
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Filly
So if you join in the first part of launch, you will be able to come a long life to this workshop. It's going to be awesome. All our workshops are also recorded as well. And yeah, it's going to be great. So head down to the show notes and you can check out the Ending Body Burnout method and pop your name on the waitlist.
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Filly
If you're joining the early bird period, you do get $500 plus worth of early bird bonuses, which is great. May as well jump on early rather than later to get all of those. So put your name down on the waitlist so you get informed when the doors do open to our waitlist. Is okay. Before we dive into the episode, I would love to share Karina's biography so you can learn just how amazing this woman is and what she specialises in.
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Filly
So she is a somatic healing coach who helps people deepen their healing journey through somatic emotion processing, allowing them to heal unresolved wounds and break free from old patterns that have been keeping them stuck. Dedicated to helping her clients heal the wounds that at the very root of their struggles, their work is deeply transformative, compassionate, and profound. As the host of the popular podcast Somatic Healing Meditations, she guides tens of thousands of listeners through a powerful somatic practices to regulate the nervous system, deepen their healing journey, and feel better in their body.
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Filly
And I can definitely attest to Karina's YouTube channel. That is how I came across her. And yeah, I just loved her, her energy and her vibe. Which is why I have invited her into our ending body Burn at Method Total Workshop, and also on the podcast today. All right, let's dive into today's episode.
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Chris
Welcome, everybody, to the ending Body Van out show. Filly and I are excited to have our guest credit New Krishna on the podcast. And just for our listeners, so we didn't press record just previously, and we got about 20, 30 minutes into 20 minutes into a, into a really lovely conversation.
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Filly
So all about regulation and getting into the.
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Filly
Body and somatic.
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Filly
Practices. So we're just.
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Chris
Round two coming at you.
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Filly
So I don't know.
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Filly
How are you all feeling. But I'm I don't know I think you just have a really gentle calming presence.
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Filly
So although it's.
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Filly
Annoying it's just like, oh, it's okay.
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Filly
It is okay. This is a yes because. So go ahead.
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Chris
Oh was just going to say it's a practical example of regulation when things don't go, you know, right. Whatever that is. It's like, all right, well that happened. How am I going to be okay here? How am I going to survive? Is the world going to end? Am I going to die? It feels like it.
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Chris
So. Yeah. Anyway, this is a this is kind of a practical example for what we're talking about today, right? Yeah. So welcome.
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Filly
To.
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Karena
Self-Compassion in action. That's how what it's like to be human, right?
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Filly
Yeah. And.
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Filly
Like, we stuff off and we're still awesome.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Chris
It's not failure. It's feedback. Feedback, that, you know, those those rules that we have, back ups, they're there for a reason. And, didn't do that today.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Filly
All right. So who is this lovely woman? I came across you, through YouTube. You have an amazing YouTube channel where you share so generous. Lee, the somatic practices that made a really big difference in your own health journey.
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Filly
Which we've just.
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Filly
Spoken about. And we are going to do it again, because for listeners, I feel really resonate with everything that you went through to then become their coach in the somatic, practitioner that you are.
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Filly
And there's.
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Filly
Lots of little gold nuggets in there too, that will dig into. So are you happy to start again right from the beginning? Because you experienced your own, I guess, like anxiety or mental health journey. That took quite a long time to get to a point where you started getting improvements in that.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Karena
Yeah, totally. Yeah. So I was really an anxious person. Like that was just a huge piece of my story. And my experience of life is that I had really, really high anxiety. And I also had like an inner critic and self-judgment that was so loud and so cruel that I even, like, classify it as self-hatred, really, you know, in hindsight.
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Karena
But, yeah. And so, I was saying I'm probably similar to you and a lot of your listeners in that I looked very functional on the outside. Right? Like I could get straight A's and I could be there for my friends. And, you know, I smiled and laughed and that kind of stuff. It's not that I was miserable all the time, but inside, my experience of my own self was very chaotic, very anxious, very judgemental.
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Karena
And I remember it like even when I was very, very young, having that inner critic that was just really, really intense.
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Filly
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Karena
And so of course, because that was my inner experience of the world, I wanted out, you know, like I wanted to learn anything that would bring my anxiety down. Absolutely anything. And so, I live outside of Boulder, Colorado. So I tried all the things. Right? Like, there's so much meditation and there's so much yoga and there's so many spiritual practices.
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Karena
So I was just willing to try anything, which was in some ways really fun and really enlightening. But it didn't really touch the anxiety very much, and it didn't really touch the inner critic very much. Like maybe I would inch down tiny, tiny bits, you know, in the anxiety and self-judgment. But overall, inside, I was just still kind of feeling this constant internal tension kind of almost felt like a lot of internal panic a lot of the time as well.
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Filly
Yeah. And so I, I think you also mentioned you did a lot of trauma therapy. Was that when you say trauma therapy, is that talk therapy you went to like the psychologist or the therapist and talked about the past over and over and over again, hoping for a different outcome?
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Karena
Yeah, I did a decade of trauma therapy, which is I'm sorry I got to do that. Honestly. There was, of course, things that I learned, and I think having an attuned human listen to me was great. But still, my anxiety and my inner critic were just like, so hard to tackle. They they really weren't affected that much by all the talk therapy and all the things that I was trying.
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Karena
And then, in my 30s, I found this thing called regenerating images in memory, which is, somatic emotional processing technique that really takes you out of your conscious mind and more into the feelings that are held within, because a lot of what we're holding within is subconscious to some degree, just in the fact that we're not, you know, fully conscious of it all the time.
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Karena
And the real gift of regenerating images and memory is that it accesses those more subconscious levels that are held in our body, in our breath, in our psyche, in these deeper levels that just aren't totally, accessible through when we're just speaking about things or whatever. It helps you drop in to a deeper level. And that was amazing to me because I had been doing all these things.
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Karena
But of course, I was coming from my conscious mind because that's I think that's just how we're conditioned, you know, is to really identify with our thoughts. And, and especially when I felt that anxious I very was, I was very dis identified with my body, you know, and my feelings, you know, like, that felt like this whole overwhelming world.
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Karena
But when I learned regenerating images in memory, my anxiety came down about 50% in three months, which was such a miracle to me. After trying so many things and trying so earnestly, you know that I like, immediately dropped everything and, you know, like got on track to get certified in this modality. And that is still the modality that I primarily use in my 1 to 1 with the clients.
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Karena
And, if you've listened to my meditations on YouTube, you've probably experienced some of it as well, because I work it into a lot of my meditations.
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Filly
Yeah. So amazing. It would have felt like America. It's like I tried ten years of like this and this and this and this and, like, got like a 1% improvement or maybe like a little bit more in the moment. But then it came flaring back. To have a 50% improvement in three months is amazing. Can you give a practical, kind of look at what that look like for you in terms of working on past stuff that was still stuck in the subconscious patterning?
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Karena
Yeah, totally. Totally. Yeah. So, what REM really helped me understand in those first three months, and it's helped me understand a lot more since then, but that that anxiety, the root of it was like, deeply internalised shame. Like when I was small, I had just felt shamed so often. And shame is so painful, you know? I mean, I think a lot of people understand how painful that is, that I had these implicit expectations that were basically alive within me, that the world was going to shame me.
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Karena
Right. And I had this implicit narrative, even, that I deserved to be shamed. And so, of course, that resulted in anxiety when there was this wounded, vulnerable part inside of me that expected the world to shame me, that expected myself to receive that sort of pain and that sort of thing when I was going out and interacting with others.
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Karena
And so it made a lot of sense what once I finally could connect with that part. But I just want to emphasise that this wasn't just like a cognitive understanding, you know, like it was actually me connecting with that shame filled the part deep inside, like really connecting with the pain that she was experiencing and and supporting her through that because all of our parts just want to be heard and seen and supported.
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Karena
And that's what REM helped me do, is it really helped me connect deeply in a feeling way, in a tangible way, with that part of me that was carrying those implicit expectations and bring more support and love to her so that she wasn't alone in this shame filled world deep inside, you know? And that transformation not only was so, profound for me in that my anxiety came down, but it's also such a loving and integrative way to transform our old patterns, bringing support to these parts that live inside of us.
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Karena
Yeah.
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Filly
I love pots work pot pots work to like. There's different ways that you can do it, but there are like it sounds like there was a little girl stuck inside of you that still hadn't been seen or heard or loved or protected in the way that she needed to be loved and protected. In those moments. So being able to do that with self-compassion and essentially re parenting those parts is so beautiful.
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Filly
In terms of your upbringing, like how would you describe that? Because I think shame can show up in so many different ways. So you could have the perfect, the perfect parent, but still experienced shame, or you could have a really tumultuous upbringing and experience shame. And I think it's important for listeners to understand that, how it can show up in different ways.
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Karena
Yeah, yeah, I think I just had a very dysregulated experience in childhood. Like I was, you know, in a family that didn't really know how to regulate. The anxiety was high. The panic was high just in my family dynamic, you know. And so even though on some levels you could objectively argue that there was love and safety there, it felt a lot like chaos and it felt a lot like panic.
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Karena
And, you know, particularly one of my parents, when they get dysregulated, gets kind of shaming too, you know. So yeah. So yeah, it was it was one of those, childhoods that from the outside looks pretty normal. And from the inside, it felt like a lot of stress and chaos.
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Filly
Yeah. It's like, why didn't you put the.
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Filly
Towel back on the rail? What's wrong with you? It's like, oh, I just forgot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Filly
Okay. So and like, most of our listeners are running these burnout patterns, which often show up is, overdoing, overachieving, people, pleasing perfectionism. And you kind of touched on that, too, in terms of like, you know, getting the grades and going off to the next thing. Do you find that a lot of people who are running these patterns become disconnected from their bodies and emotions?
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Filly
And if so, why?
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Karena
Yeah, yeah. So we almost all of us have some sort of self-protective patterns or coping mechanisms that aren't ideal. Right? You know that at some point in our life, like, you know, all the people pleasing made so much sense because we were little and we were just trying to feel safe in a world that felt, you know, really too big or too overwhelming or something like that.
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Karena
So, yeah, I mean, we all have, patterns that are you know, showing up and either causing reactivity or causing burnout or causing fight flight or freeze. Right? So that's like pretty normal. In fact, I think that that's a story I see in all of my students and clients is just that we developed these patterns when we were really young.
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Karena
That made sense to some young part of us, and now they are very much less than ideal, right? Like now they're causing problems. And so, yeah, I saw in my own story that like, I was burning myself out chasing goals that weren't even mine, you know, like I was just trying to do what everyone wanted from me. I was trying to be the person that everyone else wanted me to be, with almost no, concept of what I wanted or that I should even care what I wanted.
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Karena
You know? And so we're conditioned in a way that's deeply disconnected, you know, in my experience, at least. And then when we have emotional experiences that we that are just way too big to process or way too overwhelming, then, yeah, of course we start to disconnect from our inner world. We start to disconnect from those parts of ourselves that feel embarrassing or shameful or painful or confusing.
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Karena
So this is all very natural. It's also the source of a lot of dysfunction and pain, you know, in our inner world and in our relationship with ourselves and the relationship with those around us.
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Filly
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Filly
Yeah. I'm just reflecting back on my own story as well, which our listeners have heard. But, it's kind of like there was this stuff that happened, but then deeper beliefs patterning around like, oh, I'm not as capable as other people. Oh, I'm like anxious and shy and nervous and weak and lesbian and middle child syndrome and like, really cool older sisters like my upbringing.
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Filly
I would actually say it was quite a happy, a happy, normal childhood. But there were a bunch of stuff that then locked in these patterns of, okay, well, how can I feel like I'm enough? Or how can I feel like I'm worthy and deserving to be here and to be noticed and appreciated and so, yeah, the patterns started off as, are overachieving study aholic, to the extreme of like, just putting so much pressure on myself.
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Filly
It actually wasn't coming from outside of me, but it was coming from inside of me. The pressure to try and then get that external validation, which then is disconnection. So any time you go out of yourself to try and get it externally, it's kind of like there is this almost I don't know, metaphorical actual disconnection with self because it's like, well, it's safer out there.
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Filly
Like that's where I'm going to feel safe rather than coming back to self and creating that safety inside of yourself. It's interesting to me and I think like logically, rationally, people understand this. But the emotions. So when you've experienced things where there's big emotions and then you actually become kind of like disconnected or start to disassociate or run away from pain.
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Filly
I don't know what my question is. There. Maybe. Can you just speak to it a little bit more? It's just like my thought bubble was. Well, yeah. Like people will want to run away from it because they feel like, entering into it is more painful. Like if there's shame, for example. So you were talking about shame.
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Filly
It's like, oh, okay, I'm noticing this emotion of shame. It's like.
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Filly
Oh.
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Filly
Yuck, don't want to hold space for that or look into that or like feel that so I can move it out of me. I run away, like, have you seen that pattern show up a lot for people?
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Karena
And it's the most understandable pattern really, you know, because we're like biologically wired to move away from pain. And that include emotional pain. And not only that, but we live in a culture that generally doesn't give us any good tools for emotions like the tools were given. Are like judgement, suppression, denial, minimisation, you know? So like of course these are our pattern, right.
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Karena
Like it just makes so my sense. But what I've learned, you know, on my somatic healing journey with myself and with, you know, hundreds of clients is that when we are able to turn toward our feelings, whatever they are, even the yucky ones, you know, even the very uncomfortable ones, in a way that safe and loving, then those feelings are actually able to metabolise and move through us.
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Karena
And until we that we might be avoiding them. But some part of us is still feeling, you know, some part of us is still feeling those feelings. Those feelings are still kind of running the show, you know, when we push them down into the subconscious, even though, again, it's a very innocent and understandable thing to do, they get more confusing and they get more difficult and they actually get more power over us because they're shoved into the subconscious.
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Karena
And so, my whole, you know, process is like drawing closer to those feelings, making space for those feelings, understanding those feelings. Because another thing that I feel is really valuable, that I teach is that our emotions are messengers. They're actually carrying information from deep parts of our psyche. So when we can listen to them and understand them, then it's almost like they've done their job, right?
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Karena
They've they've given us the message like that really hurt, or I need a different boundary here or, you know, like I need you to know, the heaviness that I'm carrying right now or whatever, you know, I sometimes sort of conceptualise them as like toddlers, you know, which is not entirely true of all of our inner parts, but they need something kind of similar.
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Karena
They need to be heard and seen and loved no matter what they're feeling. And that's when we actually can find relief and integration, so that that charge is no longer driving us into patterns of perfectionism or overachieving or avoidance or, you know, all of the patterns that that we just,
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Filly
We have it a phrase or a frame when we're working with clients and it's like, all right, let's look at the patterns in the programming and the beliefs and the emotions. And if for a lot of people, that can be challenging, that you can't do self-awareness when there's also self-judgment, like the moment that that self-judgment comes into play, it's like we're not safe and any deeper awareness.
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Filly
And this is like a subconscious bias level as well. And being able to metabolise it get shut down. And it's also really hard for people to disentangle that self-judgment. So do you have any, I don't know, like top three tips or like, what do you and I'm I think it's personal for a lot of people. But what do you find really helps people to be able to, just like, let go of that self-judgment and just enter into self?
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Karena
Yeah, well, there's a number of things. The first thing I would say is that I just accept the self-judgment, just as I would accept anything else. Like if shame comes up, we just shame is here. If self-judgment comes up, we just accept it. Self-judgment is here. Like all of our reactions, all of our feelings, all of our parts make sense, right?
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Karena
Like there's a reason that the self-judgment comes in. It's trying to protect you. It's trying to shut this down. It's afraid, you know? And so if we if we include it and allow it just like we would any other part of ourselves, then that actually allows for curiosity. It allows for dialogue, it allows for understanding. And so when self-judgment does come in, like when I'm working with myself or with a client, that's self judging part is welcomed in as well.
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Karena
Like it? It and it is often trying to protect us, even though the protection, you know is actually holding us back. So I always have a framework of whatever comes up is welcome, whatever comes up is wisdom. Whatever comes up is, you know, a part of you that deserves compassion and support, including the self-judgment and the effect that that has, is that we don't have to be at war with ourselves.
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Karena
We don't have to be at war with our parts because that's the exact sort of thing that leads to suppression. And that leads to a lot of people feeling that they're internally at war with themselves, which is a really common source of inner attention. And I also consciously practice self-compassion. You know, with myself and with my students and clients, because it is a skill that can be learned and like any skill, it takes practice and there can be backlash right from the parts that are scared of self-judgment or resistant to self-judgment.
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Karena
And so that's okay too. But that will come up as you practice. And that's important. You know that it comes up as you practice. Like I always tell people that when they're in session with me, they're patterns that they have in everyday life are likely going to come up. Right. So if their pattern is to dissociate, they might dissociate in our session.
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Karena
If their pattern is to judge, they might judge in the session or whatever. And all of that's just welcome, right? Like like we're going to not pathologize or push away anything because this is this is being human, you know, and it's actually really good for it to come up if we can have some conscious awareness around it.
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Filly
I love that. So yeah. Because if it's a reserve judgement, oh, crap. Go away. It's kind of like self-judgment at the self. Self-judgment. Oh, like the shame of the self-judgment. And I've done it wrong, and I'm glad I got to this. Whereas it's like, hey, self judgement is here. What do you need to say? What's the pattern underneath?
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Filly
What's going on with that pot? Why? How is it trying to protect you? That's cool. And I mean like my experience because there is a lot of like, no, I have to be right.
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Filly
I have to look perfect. I have to do everything right.
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Filly
So I found when I was, entering into this work myself and the self-judgment was there, I kind of just attached more dirty emotions onto it initially, or it's just like, oh, well, hang on, I'm not doing this right because I shouldn't have any self-judgment. So go away. It's like, oh, far out now I'm failing. Whereas got to a point where it's like, oh, like it can be there, and now I just hold space for it and I have a conversation with it.
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Filly
Totally. Yeah. So good. You have it. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, go ahead. Sorry.
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Filly
Do you have anything to say, by the way, Chris, because you've been writing notes and stuff. No, just listening in.
00:29:05:10 - 00:29:41:17
Chris
Yeah, just listening in. I, I enjoy following journeys when when I'm, listening to our guests and, and I can see a clear, journey that you, you went through that I think will resonate with our listeners. It resonates with me, going from little girl developing into a big, big little girl with with self-critique self-judgment, what you term could be termed as self-hatred as this, on the outside, things looked excellent.
00:29:41:21 - 00:30:12:15
Chris
You excelled. Right. And and but on the inside there was anxiety. It was fear. And you tried. You tried. You knew innately that that there was something not right. And I think that's that's the start of this whole journey. And just to recap, tried yoga health practices, you know, around Boulder, is many beautiful practitioners therapy. But there was still that inner critic, that inner inside, and not rightness, going on.
00:30:12:15 - 00:30:32:00
Chris
And I think that resonates so much. It resonates with me, resonates with our listeners. I do want to just clarify the term, like what? What is the name of of your practice regenerate to Somatics. Is that correct?
00:30:32:02 - 00:30:41:04
Karena
It's regenerating images in memory. Right. Which I don't think is a great name. I we can shorten it to Rehm because that's the acronym. Yes.
00:30:41:07 - 00:30:44:22
Chris
Yeah. Gotcha. You said that. You said REM. Yeah.
00:30:45:00 - 00:30:58:04
Karena
So it was developed by, doctor here in Colorado. Her name is Doctor Deb. And she's completely amazing. And I love it so much. But yeah, the I do feel like the name of it is kind of a mouthful.
00:30:58:06 - 00:31:02:17
Filly
As, most names therapist.
00:31:02:19 - 00:31:38:12
Chris
And yeah, I love, a couple of sound bites that I think really resonated with me were you were burning out, chasing goals that weren't yours. You were you were disconnecting from from parts of yourself just to in essentially to protect you. You had this, this awareness that things weren't right and there was this inner conflict and then something beautiful that you just said, emotions are messengers and, I need you to know is basically what they're what they're saying.
00:31:38:12 - 00:32:09:13
Chris
And I really, really love I love that, saying, that you just said that, whatever comes up is wisdom. I just feel like that is such a a simple, profound, scary, very risky way of thinking about things because, you know, what if what if I do have all the answers inside me? What if what if this is actually important data?
00:32:09:15 - 00:32:18:22
Chris
Yeah. I just really, really appreciate and love those those, your journey and that that wisdom as well. Thank you.
00:32:19:00 - 00:32:21:19
Filly
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:21:21 - 00:32:47:20
Filly
I love the the inner wisdom, like my personal experience and feel like meeting it, holding space for it, working through it can be hard and challenging, but any time I've listened to myself, every time I've listened to myself on the other side, only good things have happened. So it is like you have everything inside of you. In order to be able to be well and to heal and to be aligned like it's all inside of you.
00:32:47:22 - 00:32:55:12
Filly
And so when you can meet those, those parts and those emotions and learn from them, like it's.
00:32:55:12 - 00:32:55:21
Filly
Not going.
00:32:55:21 - 00:33:00:22
Filly
To take you to some somewhere dangerous, only good things will happen.
00:33:01:00 - 00:33:02:03
Filly
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:02:05 - 00:33:26:19
Karena
Yeah. Well, that's one of the most amazing things about somatic work, in my experience, is that there is this deep inner healing wisdom that it's so much quieter than our thoughts, it's so much quieter than the parts of ourselves that we're listening to most of the time. But when we really drop in and reconnect with our inner world, like it is amazing that we do have all the answers in there, and we don't always know how to listen to them.
00:33:26:19 - 00:33:57:13
Karena
And we're not always going to, you know, which is normal too. But like, yeah, it's it's profound and it's like such an honour because I see that, you know, deep inner healing wisdom come out in every single session that I do with clients. And it's so, I don't know, mind blowing and beautiful and awe inspiring. You know how much depth there is in every single one of us, even if we haven't been listening to it, even if we've been completely lost, completely disconnected, you know, like it's still there.
00:33:57:14 - 00:33:57:23
Filly
00:33:58:05 - 00:34:10:07
Filly
Yeah. I think you've spoken about this and it really goes along with what we're talking about right now that you have a phrase in your practice, you've got to feel it to heal it. Can you talking to that.
00:34:10:09 - 00:34:10:11
Filly
I.
00:34:10:11 - 00:34:12:06
Chris
Like that.
00:34:12:08 - 00:34:51:23
Karena
Yeah. Yeah. Well it's just speaking about how we really do need to drop into our feelings states, you know, into our body. Because again, we've been conditioned to hang out in the mind. Right? We've been conditioned to think, think, think and talk, talk, talk. And that's different. And our feelings can't really be metabolised in that way. And that's where a lot of students and clients kind of find me is that they've done therapy, they've talked about it, they're very intelligent, they're very self aware, and yet they're still stuck in these patterns of emotion or patterns of behaviour or even patterns of thought, you know.
00:34:52:01 - 00:35:18:03
Karena
And that's really because we have to get to those deeper levels. You know, we have to drop into the feeling, the feeling part of our mind and drop into our bodies, because that's where we can connect with these parts of ourselves in a deep enough way that we can hear their wisdom, and we can help them with their wounds, and we can actually transmute, what's happening deep inside.
00:35:18:05 - 00:35:29:03
Karena
It's really more of a feeling thing than a thinking thing, but that's a little bit to, you know, express sometimes in our culture that has almost no framework for it.
00:35:29:05 - 00:35:29:16
Filly
Yeah.
00:35:29:18 - 00:35:55:15
Filly
And I think, I think the problem is or the issue two ways, especially for people who run these kind of like overdo, perfectionism, people placing but often to they're quite intellectual. It's kind of like, well, I'm going to logic my way out of this. Everything has to make sense. And so, like a lot of people get really stuck in their head and, and it's like everything has to make sense.
00:35:55:17 - 00:36:23:08
Filly
Last night I did a practice, I didn't really have any problem. I'm just like, yeah, I just I'm feeling called to do this practice, and it was very slow. It was very there weren't a lot of words in the meditation, but essentially I invited the presence of people who don't exist on this planet anymore to come and hold space for me.
00:36:23:10 - 00:36:39:05
Filly
And I can't even make sense of what happened. But I was bowling by the end of it. Like there is something deviant and I'm actually getting emotional just thinking about it. And I'm like, my brain wants to make sense of it, and it wants to be like, what just happened?
00:36:39:05 - 00:36:39:22
Filly
What did I.
00:36:39:22 - 00:36:58:05
Filly
What what just came forth? What did something clear? What cleared? How am I going to be different now? But I think in my own journey, I've actually just surrendered into, you know what? There's deep stuff inside of me that when they're ready to come forth and to be metabolised and to move out of me, cool.
00:36:58:07 - 00:37:00:05
Filly
Let it happen like.
00:37:00:05 - 00:37:16:01
Filly
It's almost it's the trust in the surrendering. My body has so much wisdom as everybody's bodies do, and that when you can hold space to that, it's like you don't have to make sense of everything logically in your conscious mind.
00:37:16:03 - 00:37:36:00
Karena
Orderly. Yeah. I often tell my students and clients that your conscious mind is going to be the last part of you. Notice the shift, right? Like you're going to feel it. Your body's going to shift, your heart's going to know it, that sort of thing. And, you know, your mind is probably going to be the last one to be like, oh, oh, look, I reacted differently or whatever.
00:37:36:02 - 00:37:39:09
Filly
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:39:11 - 00:37:51:09
Filly
And there's still a part of me that's just like, really do some journaling on that, try to make sense of what happened. It's like, you know what I mean? I could, but it's also okay if things are different in my life. Yay!
00:37:51:11 - 00:37:54:01
Filly
Things shifted.
00:37:54:03 - 00:38:11:21
Filly
Talking about the conscious mind as well. Like how how specifically do you feel that getting into the body, getting into the emotions, more of this somatic work is different to, say, talk therapy or kind of like standard mindset work, which is more strategy based?
00:38:11:22 - 00:38:42:07
Karena
Yeah, yeah. To me it's just massively different. You know, a lot of neuroscientists have said that like 95% of our thoughts, feelings, motivations and behaviours are motivated by subconscious forces, right? Like our conscious mind is really only in charge of this little 5% of what we're conscious of. And so that is not the part of myself that I want to be working with all the time, because it's just not that effective, you know?
00:38:42:07 - 00:39:06:00
Karena
And I tried it like, trust me, I tried the mindset stuff. I tried, you know, the therapy and that sort of thing. And it's not that there's no value to it at all, but it's forgetting about this huge and real part of ourselves, our body, our emotions, our subconscious. And so to me, it's ineffective in, you know, that way.
00:39:06:02 - 00:39:35:05
Karena
But also, I guess my experience of mindset work also felt really invalidating, actually, to a lot of my more emotional parts that needed support, not just like affirmations or whatever, you know, like, like there's, an aspect to mindset work that can be sort of suppressive or sort of invalidating or even sort of like self gaslighting when like, you're supposed to never feel a bad feeling or think a bad thought.
00:39:35:05 - 00:39:37:07
Karena
Right? Like that is suppression.
00:39:37:08 - 00:39:39:07
Filly
True all the time?
00:39:39:09 - 00:39:41:12
Filly
Yeah, right.
00:39:41:14 - 00:39:48:06
Karena
Yeah. So in my experience that like, fractures our relationship with ourselves, you know, more supports.
00:39:48:08 - 00:40:03:19
Filly
Yeah. There's, some time and again like well-meaning people might say like, just stop stressing. Stop worrying about what other people say to you, stop blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, yeah, great. Like my conscious mind gets it.
00:40:03:19 - 00:40:05:05
Filly
But what about the 90.
00:40:05:05 - 00:40:17:13
Filly
5% of me that's holding all of these patterns and programming and beliefs that are like freaking out by that piece of advice? It's like it's actually really dangerous to stop worrying about what other people think about me.
00:40:17:15 - 00:40:18:08
Karena
Yeah, right.
00:40:18:08 - 00:40:25:01
Filly
Totally. Utterly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you seen.
00:40:25:03 - 00:40:47:09
Filly
Physical health issues improve with somatic healing? Because my understanding, you know, and we see this in our practice and it was definitely my personal experience was when I was suppressing emotion, or, you know, if emotions are suppressed, disconnected from self, these patterns are ruling the show at all, like it has to come out through the body in some way.
00:40:47:14 - 00:41:04:05
Filly
So we see in our practice a lot of chronic health issues showing up, whether it's like IBS, autoimmune conditions, chronic fatigue, body pain is really common as well. Have you also noticed that with people that you work with.
00:41:04:07 - 00:41:38:02
Karena
Really. Yeah, yeah, because we're holistic beings, you know what I mean? Our emotions affect our physiology. Our physiology affects our emotions. Like it's all one, you know, like it's not like we can just, you know, my emotions are over here. My body's over here like it's all together inside of us. So. Yes. Absolutely. And I feel like the more we listen to our body consciously, and the more we bring in the support that it actually needs, more those symptoms can begin to resolve.
00:41:38:07 - 00:42:18:17
Karena
And it's always different. You know, everybody has a different journey. You know, so, like, some things may be like 90% physiological and only 10% emotional or whatever, but there's always a mix of both. And when you work on that emotional component, you can get relief in, in some really significant ways. And there's a lot of great research out there that I can't quote off the top of my head right now, but talking about how like, the more you suppress your emotions, the more you experience autoimmune disease, you know, like there's there's actually really good studies and data out there showing that there's just this inextricable link between our feelings and our physiology.
00:42:18:17 - 00:42:19:14
Karena
Yeah.
00:42:19:16 - 00:42:54:11
Filly
I think the big link from it, I think about the nervous system is like it is physical because like, we can actually see that there's nerves in our body, but it's also holding so much metaphysical subconscious, unconscious patterning and programming as well. So yeah, when you're suppressing emotions, past distressing events, like things aren't being metabolised and moving through you and out of you, it literally puts your nervous system into dysregulation, which then starts impacting all these other body systems that then show up physically in the body.
00:42:54:13 - 00:42:56:14
Karena
Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
00:42:56:18 - 00:43:10:07
Filly
And the brain's pretty powerful too. It's like the amygdala. If it gets stuck in this trauma loop of like, I'm not safe. I'm not safe. I'm not safe. It's going to be sending all these, like, haywire messages to the rest of the physical body as well.
00:43:10:09 - 00:43:13:04
Filly
Yeah, totally.
00:43:13:05 - 00:43:44:08
Filly
Okay. So can you give some examples? And I'd really love you if you're open to it. Is taking it's true and the listeners through like a five minute somatic practice that can help, process emotions, connect with the body so that listeners can really get like, you know, we've been talking about everything and what this looks like, but I don't think you can really understand it unless you experience it.
00:43:44:09 - 00:44:10:18
Karena
Totally, totally. Yeah. That's what I always tell people is that we're not really healing by talking about it. Yeah, we're healing, regulating. We're healing by processing. We're healing by turning inward and listening to our, you know, dear, precious inner parts. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm thinking maybe just like, a short little regulation thing, just because the emotional processing things definitely take more than five minutes, at least in my experience.
00:44:10:22 - 00:44:28:07
Karena
No, just because, one thing about the somatic emotional processing is that we slow so much down, which is so healing because our lives move at such a fast clip. But yeah, yeah. How does that sound? Like just some process or some regulation?
00:44:28:07 - 00:44:35:00
Filly
Yep. Sounds good. How are you feeling? You over the you didn't press record or you still needing some regulation.
00:44:35:02 - 00:44:39:10
Chris
That tight time was nice.
00:44:39:12 - 00:44:42:07
Filly
That sounds wonderful.
00:44:42:09 - 00:44:43:04
Filly
Awesome.
00:44:43:06 - 00:45:01:12
Karena
So one of the things that I do, one of my favourite tools is called Havering. And this was developed by a doctor in New York where we actually use self-soothing touch to regulate our nervous system. And so there are three ways to do it. One is to rub your hands together. I think you can see me doing it.
00:45:01:14 - 00:45:04:19
Filly
I just love that feel so good.
00:45:04:21 - 00:45:31:15
Karena
Yeah, it's a really nice feeling. So you can rub your hands together like this. This is one way to do self-hate. Burning. Another way is to rub down your arms from shoulder to elbow, just going down. So it's kind of like a moving hug. You're just going down your arms from shoulder to elbow, shoulder to elbow. And the other way is to rub anywhere on your face, cheeks or forehead with your hands.
00:45:31:15 - 00:45:42:08
Karena
So like when I'm not being interviewed, I don't have my glasses on. I would just do my whole face. But you can do whatever feels good to you.
00:45:42:10 - 00:46:11:10
Karena
And so just moving between these three types of touch your hands, your upper arms, your face, cheeks or forehead in any way that feels good. And it's been shown in studies that this type of touch actually sends delta waves to our brain. And those delta waves actually down regulate the amygdala. It's like a physiological sign to the amygdala that you're safe, and it takes about 5 to 7 minutes for that to happen.
00:46:11:10 - 00:46:36:07
Karena
So not it doesn't even take that long. And when we can shift the amygdala, you know, out of a fight, flight or freeze or whatever stress or trauma loop, it's stuck in, we actually experience life in a really different way. So you can do the happening. And then one thing I like to do is I combine haven ING with orienting just because it feels really good.
00:46:36:07 - 00:46:56:15
Karena
So as you haven, you can just take a moment and gently do a visual scan of your room or your environment, wherever you are. So just kind of like gently and without urgency, just looking around.
00:46:56:17 - 00:47:08:02
Karena
Noticing the textures and the colours that you can see.
00:47:08:04 - 00:47:18:09
Karena
Noticing the light and the shadows.
00:47:18:11 - 00:47:32:11
Karena
And then if you feel comfortable doing that, you can let your eyes close and you just keep doing the haven ING. Because again, that haven is just sending those signals to your amygdala that everything's okay.
00:47:32:13 - 00:47:42:04
Karena
And with your eyes closed, just take a moment to listen to all of the sounds that you can hear.
00:47:42:06 - 00:48:01:12
Karena
So our nervous system is unconsciously scanning our environment all the time anyway. So right now we're just, like, consciously scanning. We're, like, consciously listening to all of the things that we can hear.
00:48:01:14 - 00:48:24:19
Karena
And you can give yourself two gentle breaths and just listen to the sound that's closest to you right now.
00:48:24:21 - 00:48:38:13
Karena
And now take a moment to feel the evening touch. Like you can really feel the texture of your skin.
00:48:38:15 - 00:48:54:18
Karena
You can feel that the texture of your palms is different than the texture of your fingertips.
00:48:54:20 - 00:49:01:17
Karena
You can feel the temperature of your skin.
00:49:01:19 - 00:49:21:19
Karena
And even the quality of your touch. So when I'm doing, you know, havering or any sort of regulation or processing technique, I often want to bring in the intention of gentleness or kindness or support.
00:49:21:21 - 00:49:28:11
Karena
On that changes the quality of my touch.
00:49:28:13 - 00:49:48:13
Karena
So just notice if you want to have a kind intention or gentleness or something like that, that would feel good to you.
00:49:48:15 - 00:49:58:14
Karena
And as you're feeling the happening, notice that you can also feel yourself in the chair.
00:49:58:16 - 00:50:11:15
Karena
You can feel the chair beneath you. You can feel the chair behind you.
00:50:11:17 - 00:50:26:02
Karena
And just noticing which parts of your body are making contact with the chair.
00:50:26:04 - 00:50:39:15
Karena
And what that contact feels like.
00:50:39:17 - 00:50:59:03
Karena
And then gently and slowly, you can allow your attention or your awareness to drop in even deeper, like into your body. Into whatever you're feeling.
00:50:59:05 - 00:51:26:04
Karena
And this is often where I begin the emotional processing, which again, takes takes some time. But when we've kind of practised feeling our bodies and we've practised this soothing touch, it's a great time to just listen inwardly to what wants to be known.
00:51:26:06 - 00:51:33:15
Karena
Or what wants to be acknowledged.
00:51:33:17 - 00:51:48:12
Karena
And so maybe just taking a few breaths, noticing whatever you notice.
00:51:48:13 - 00:52:08:08
Karena
And again, there's no wrong thing to feel. And there's no wrong way to feel.
00:52:08:10 - 00:52:28:10
Karena
And we'll probably begin to wrap this exercise up just for the sake of today's interview. But just give yourself another gentle, loving breath.
00:52:28:12 - 00:52:37:03
Karena
And then whenever you feel ready, you can let go of the evening touch and maybe stretch or wiggle. Open your.
00:52:37:03 - 00:52:42:10
Filly
Eyes.
00:52:42:12 - 00:52:45:11
Filly
Thank you.
00:52:45:13 - 00:52:47:06
Karena
You're welcome.
00:52:47:08 - 00:53:10:03
Filly
I definitely felt now, I don't know how long you were doing that, but maybe at the five minute mark, there was this, like this further drop into, like, just calmness, quietness, stillness, regulation. Which makes sense if it takes five minutes for the amygdala to just be like, Like calming down.
00:53:10:05 - 00:53:16:14
Filly
Yeah. That was lovely. Thank you. Welcome.
00:53:16:19 - 00:53:45:19
Chris
I felt like around that sort of time, the story started, for me, want want to move. Have to move. Need to need to twitch. Need to crack my knuckles. Need to like that was for me. Yeah, yeah. And and then just in my personal practice, what I've been experimenting with recently, in recent months is I'll just notice that that's interesting.
00:53:45:19 - 00:54:08:18
Chris
That's like you said, there's there's no, what do you say? Whatever comes up is wisdom. It's interesting. It's all data. Right. And I, I in my mind, I liken it to, like, a, a cliff. Sometimes it feels like, oh, I'm on the edge of the cliff. I'm really. I have to do something right now.
00:54:08:18 - 00:54:30:23
Chris
I it's an emergency. But if I can just, like, allow it to be there, and that, just is, is actually more like being on the beach and a wave comes in and that that urgency to run away or to to crack my knuckles or to shift my spine or my back or position or something, I can just notice it.
00:54:30:23 - 00:54:59:05
Chris
And then just like a wave, it just disappears. Just like a wave on the beach, you know? And it's. And I am safe. I am okay. And that can sound so for me in the past. That sounded so weird. Just what do you mean, safe? Like you just sitting on a chair. It's the same urgency as if I was slamming on my brakes, driving on the road, and a wallaby jumps out in front of me.
00:54:59:05 - 00:55:16:09
Chris
You know, it's the same sort of, I've got to move. I've got to crack my knuckles. Oh, I've got a twist. Anyway, I feel like that happened. Those stories came in around 16. Yeah, five, five ish minute mark.
00:55:16:11 - 00:55:36:09
Filly
Which I think is common for a lot of people. Because stillness, you know, for a lot of people in the past hasn't been safe. It's like being still slowing down. It can cause a bit of a, like, discomfort. Like you can cause discomfort when it's just like.
00:55:36:11 - 00:55:38:20
Chris
Yeah, discomfort is dangerous.
00:55:38:22 - 00:55:44:18
Filly
Yeah. But then also the stillness is dangerous. Yeah. At a subconscious level.
00:55:44:20 - 00:55:59:01
Chris
Especially, so a bit of ADHD. Sprinkled, sprinkled in there, and traumatic experiences around that in the past. It's.
00:55:59:03 - 00:56:02:01
Filly
Yeah. Do you mean like, at school for, like, sit still?
00:56:02:02 - 00:56:02:17
Filly
Oh, yeah.
00:56:02:17 - 00:56:04:04
Filly
Reverent.
00:56:04:06 - 00:56:06:08
Chris
Listen up, Chris, stop being naughty.
00:56:06:08 - 00:56:08:19
Filly
Stop touching, stop fidgeting.
00:56:08:21 - 00:56:15:04
Chris
Be good, be good, Chris, or you get sent to the office. Again.
00:56:15:06 - 00:56:19:21
Filly
Again? Oh, well, yeah.
00:56:19:23 - 00:56:40:16
Karena
What I hear when you say that is an urgent part came in, you know, and again, like, that's okay. And I even, you know, like, if we were working one on one together, which obviously this was just a guided meditation. So it's a little bit different. Like, I wouldn't require you to be still or to not crack your knuckles like, you know, like in, you know, regenerating images and memory.
00:56:40:16 - 00:56:47:10
Karena
The metaphors that you use are so powerful. So it's like, oh, you're on the edge of a cliff right now. But that urgent look.
00:56:47:12 - 00:56:47:22
Filly
Really.
00:56:47:22 - 00:57:16:19
Karena
Feels that, you know, like that's that's some of that somatic wisdom is that we do start speaking in metaphors like that. And there's deep, like deep real meaning to that, you know what I mean. And so we would like welcome that part in and we would notice like what is it like to slam on your brakes or what is it like to be on that cliff, what actually happens in your body, you know, and and what does that part want or need when it's standing on the edge of a cliff or you know what I mean?
00:57:16:19 - 00:57:44:00
Karena
So, like, even that little exercise, brought in a lot of information, you know, as far as I'm hearing, as you share, you know, that that that urgent part wants to be heard or wants to be acknowledged. And, you know, so anyway, I just honour that urgent part. And I thank you for showing up. And, you know, like it's telling you through the metaphors you're using and that sort of stuff.
00:57:44:00 - 00:57:59:05
Karena
Deep information about what it's feeling. Right. And that might not be all of you that's feeling that. But that part, you know, might really be carrying that experience of like, oh my God, it's like I'm on the edge of a cliff, you know?
00:57:59:07 - 00:58:06:07
Chris
Thank you. Yeah, yeah. That's that's that's awesome. Thank you. What a convo. Yeah.
00:58:06:08 - 00:58:08:18
Filly
Thank you. This is been so good.
00:58:08:20 - 00:58:09:17
Filly
So fun.
00:58:09:19 - 00:58:11:12
Chris
We did it twice.
00:58:11:14 - 00:58:16:09
Filly
I for one and a half and half.
00:58:16:11 - 00:58:34:22
Filly
Oh I finally we did it all the way through. We had to go to somatic coaching experiences from you. Okay. So for any listeners who would love to find out more about you, I think Chris is going to bring up. Oh, are you able to screen share from the website?
00:58:34:23 - 00:58:36:00
Chris
Hey, Pat.
00:58:36:02 - 00:58:45:10
Filly
You also have a really cool free I Feel It to Healing mini course as well. Would you like to speak into that? And I'll make sure the link is in the show notes.
00:58:45:12 - 00:59:07:02
Karena
Yeah, yeah, I would love to invite your listeners to sign up for the Feel It to Heal It mini course. If they feel drawn, it's totally free. And it's for somatic exercises that I guide you through that actually help you feel it, because that's harder than you think. You know, to create some safety, to create some tools so that you can actually drop in and listen.
00:59:07:04 - 00:59:36:18
Karena
So yeah, it's a mini course with just these four exercises, but it's really got big potential for helping you. Yeah. There we go for helping you listen more deeply into your own body. Because when we do connect with ourselves in that deep way, there can be just huge potential for self attunement, self-compassion, a deeper self understanding and, you know, feeling your feelings so they actually move through.
00:59:36:20 - 00:59:49:10
Filly
Yeah. Sign up people. And you also have an amazing YouTube channel as well. And that's where you put your meditations, but you also have them on Spotify and one of the other.
00:59:49:15 - 00:59:51:07
Filly
Ones, Apple.
00:59:51:09 - 00:59:53:03
Filly
Well, the places.
00:59:53:05 - 00:59:53:23
Filly
So yeah.
00:59:54:00 - 01:00:00:10
Karena
So my podcast is called Somatic Healing Meditations. And yeah, you can find it on YouTube or any podcast platform.
01:00:00:10 - 01:00:22:07
Filly
Beautiful. And our clients Inside Out ending Body Burnout method are going to be very privileged to have you coming into our method to run a workshop as well, where we're going to do more hastening and somatic practices and connecting with our sensations. So we're so excited for that to happen. In September.
01:00:22:09 - 01:00:25:14
Filly
Or to also.
01:00:25:16 - 01:00:43:01
Chris
Awesome. All right. Well, thank you so much for, for coming on the Body Burn Burnout show. And thank you, everybody for coming in and listening. We'll catch you guys on the next episode.
01:00:43:03 - 01:00:53:05
Filly
Thank you so much for listening. We so appreciate you. If you'd like to give us extra smiles, drop us a review and spread the love by sharing this episode.
01:00:53:07 - 01:01:19:07
Chris
You can also write your own state of burnout and the root cause contributors by taking our Ending Body Burnout assessment on our website. And if you're interested in learning about that group one on one ending body burnout programs, shoot us a DM via Instagram or Facebook. Have the best day ever.
01:01:19:09 - 01:01:19:20
Chris
For.
