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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending body Burnout show. We are your host, Chris and Filly, co-founders of a multi winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, business, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body. Get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Filly
Hello! Welcome to the podcast. This is Filly here. We have got a beautiful episode for you all about slowing down, conscious dancing and taking off your mask with the wonderful practitioner, Marjolein Ackerman. Now these these things I see as core themes for people who get stuck in body burnout. When you struggle to slow down, you struggle to connect with yourself and your body, and you're masking from yourself.
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Filly
You're masking the deepest fear that you have about yourself, which then means you're putting on a mask to people. Place to be the person, that you feel like everyone else thinks you should be or have to be. And essentially, it's draining you on the inside. So this is a really awesome conversation, and we're looking at it more from a conscious dance movement point of view today.
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Filly
I think Myleene is the most beautiful practitioner, so we were lucky enough to have her come into our ending body burnout method a few months ago to be a guest presenter. This is during one of our weekly workshops, so it was in the phase of our clients regulating the nervous system, rewiring, deep, deeper beliefs, repressed emotion, past distressing events.
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Filly
And we asked her to come in to take any our clients through an experiential body mind dance session. It was the best. If you are a client inside the method and you missed it, go to the show notes links. Because I've popped in the direct link where you can access the replay. It was so much fun that I then booked in for one of her, workshops, which was a combination of ceremonial cacao conscious dancing as well as a beautiful sound healing bath with, local practitioner Meredith Rose, who is also coming into our ending body burnout method in July, which I'm very excited about.
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Filly
And it was so good. My personally experience like, I love dance, but when you get into a room, whether it's virtual or especially in person, where everyone is going through the five rhythms of slow dance and chaotic dance, then staccato dancing, and I found myself getting very much stuck in my head. Initially, it's like, oh, am I doing it right?
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Filly
Not so much, right? But it was more like, no one's judging you. It's okay. Settle down into your body. But the moment that I really got into my body, beautiful things happen inside of my nervous system. So if you haven't experienced conscious dancing, I would highly recommend, reaching out to my yo lane. And, yeah, learning a little bit more about what she does.
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Filly
So her official bio, Maia Lane is a certified teacher of Sacred Circle Dance and five rhythms. She has a Bachelor of Arts degree and over 30 years of experience in dance and the arts. Her lifelong fascination with the body and movement has been shaped not only by the passion, by her passion, but also by physical challenges that at times limited her mobility.
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Filly
And at the start of this interview, we do go into her own body, burn out, chronic health journey that she has been on. These experiences became powerful teachers, deepening her curiosity and sparking a long exploration of what movement really means and what moves us from within. Through this journey, Maia Lane found her purpose to teach freestyle conscious dance and to offer spaces where people can explore freedom, expression and healing through mindful movement.
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Filly
Her approach is gentle, intuitive, and rooted in the belief that every body holds wisdom and deserves the chance to move freely. Let's have a conversation about it.
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Chris
Welcome, everybody, to this episode of the Ending Body Burn Out show. We are excited to have a very special guest, Myleene Ackerman, on the podcast. Thanks so much for coming on my line. It's been, we've had you in our group and it's great to have you, on the podcast.
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Filly
Yeah. It was so nice when you everything. Yeah, it was so nice when you came into our ending for your burnout method to take a beautiful, conscious dance workshop for our clients, I, I, we wanted you to come back so we could hear more about your story. And kind of like the the theory, the healing benefits of of dance.
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Filly
So, shall we dive in? Yes.
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Marjolein
Thank you for having me. This is great.
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Filly
So. Okay, so most of our guests who. Come on, who are in this more holistic, healing wellbeing state, often have their own healing or health journey, and it is usually intermingled into why they now do what they do. So are you happy to start off with your own health journey, and how that led you into finding dance as a therapy?
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Marjolein
Yes, absolutely. Yeah. It started young, when I was a kid, you know, I was a girl that wanted to become a ballerina and, went to ballet school and classes. My friends and, Yeah, they're already. Things started to become visible that I wasn't able to do all the things that other all the girls could do.
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Marjolein
And so over the years, I noticed that my body wasn't that flexible. Things were not that easy, sometimes painful. And, yeah, that's made, you know, the joy of dancing. Of course. A bit more complicated. And, I think in the years going to school, I noticed that I needed to work harder. I was, I was tiny, and shy and I needed to work harder.
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Marjolein
I needed to, you know, run faster, bike faster, and keep up. I had to learn. So I had to keep up with everyone. And that was tricky. Yeah. So that is devolved. It was also into a space where I started to get more pain. Daily basis and things started to become more, Yeah. So I had to become less motivated to do things.
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Marjolein
And it, it looked for the outer world that I became lazy or unfit. I couldn't do the things that my classmates could do. So, Yeah, I've started to back out, try to, you know, think, excuses why I didn't needed to go to gym. So you like that?
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Filly
You die at this point. Were you diagnosed with anything? Like, did you tell your parents and actually look into what was going on? Yeah.
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Marjolein
Yeah, they, they they become very aware because when I became like around 14, I was playing volleyball, but that the pain was that much of the big that I actually couldn't get a ball on the ground anymore. And for me, that was a moment that I said, you know, if this is life, you know, I don't want it and why, you know, why would I want a painful life all the time?
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Marjolein
And and being that space where you can't get out of it anymore, like, whatever you do, whatever push or whatever movement you may be laying down, standing or walking is all painful. So that is, of course, when I expressed that my parents started to really get concerned and said, okay, we're going to go through the whole, you know, male or going to doctors, checking it out, see what's going on.
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Marjolein
So I've been X-rayed and, and, all the old, tests were pulled out and see what was going on. But, you know, until today, there's nothing wrong with me.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Marjolein
And that's what the doctor said, you know, there's nothing. We can't help you. We you have to live and learn to live with it. Yeah, right. Saying find your own way.
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Filly
Medical answer like fibromyalgia is that's. Is that what you had been experiencing? Yeah.
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Marjolein
Yeah, I do have similar, similar. Triggers with that, but I'm not qualified to get the type.
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Filly
That I do, which is probably a good thing, by the way, because then sometimes I was to fixate on the title and be like, that is me. And I guess I have to learn to live with it.
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Marjolein
Like so. Yeah. So.
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Filly
Okay. Wow. Yeah. Can I, can I I'm just curious to see more of a practitioner point of view, like is is or was the pain joints or muscles.
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Marjolein
Or it's a combination.
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Filly
Moved around like, or was it in one specific spot or it just kind of like moved around or it was always there everywhere.
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Marjolein
Yeah. It's it's in my hips region. So it's, it's the as I, I'm getting in flames very easily. I get nurse pains and sometimes and especially in the, in the younger years, I had them to my legs. And then in worse days, I got them in my neck. So going off and, causing headaches and all kinds of stuff.
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Marjolein
Okay. Yeah. So, so in my 20s, I think that that was really hard, because I couldn't do my own home. Cleaning was not something I could do. After five minutes of doing the vacuum cleaner, I needed to lie down for half an hour. Dishes. It it was complicated. And it is still it's still,
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Marjolein
But. Yeah, in that time, my mom was doing my house, you know, and if you're that age, you want to, you know, step into lives, do the things that you're doing, be fearless and big and yeah, that wasn't always possible. So, and people judge did do yeah. Weight wasn't a very big issue. Because, I couldn't get up with the exercises and, I gained weight.
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Marjolein
So that was always a battle to see how I can actually bring that down. And, take care of my own body. Yeah.
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Filly
Okay. The judgement piece is such a big one. Absolutely. Especially when it's like, it's it's what I would call an invisible illness. Yes. Where it's like, well, you're not sick enough to have a diagnosis. You can't find anything actually wrong with you, but you're living with it and then experiencing it, and no one can see that. But then also because you don't have a label to kind of say, oh yeah, no, this is what the doctor said, then I assume that's where the judgement came in, where it's just like, oh, she just needs to like suck it off and like, you know, she bit weak or something or like, what's going on or lazy.
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Filly
Yeah, exactly. Okay.
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Marjolein
That's what people think.
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Filly
So what has it looks like for you to, you know, like in terms of getting to the root of what was going on, the things that you've done to heal or support yourself, to be able to live life and feel well.
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Marjolein
I mean, looking back on, the years of, you know, the first years of my life, there was a lot of things happening, and when I was two, I lost a little brother at birth. When I was seven, I lost a little sister. And it was there were hard times that were hard years. So my family, and I that there's been, you know, a lot of trauma created in that time.
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Marjolein
And, you know, I've had many conversations and many.
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Marjolein
Therapy basically to work with what was there. And even though mentally I can understand everything, you know, the the body response is very different. And. Yeah it's definitely a day to day. Meeting myself over and over again in what the need is of that day and how I can support my body and my mind in a way that I can enjoy today.
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Marjolein
Are you simple? But you know, it is. It's it's sometimes pulled back to that only, and sometimes a day is a survival and all. And that is not just being there. Coming back to the question of what I have done over the years to work with this, of course, I had a lot of therapies to to see if anything would work for me.
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Marjolein
And it was one therapist that actually could, you know, release my thing for a while. And that was really, really, helpful. And he said to me, you know, you're so young and. Live lives and do one thing that you think is worth the pain, you know, do one thing that you love doing and you know you're going to be very, very short the next day, but that is worth doing it.
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Marjolein
And that's for me was dance.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Marjolein
Okay. So I kept dancing and I went to basically I've done so many dance styles, you know, from street dance to and aerobics to, ballroom, you know, ballroom dancing and even I was, doing competitions in ballroom Latin, on high heels and do everything that, you know, to, to become the best and the way it looks spectacular.
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Marjolein
Let's say that, so I caught the pain afterwards. All I said, and that was, that was, for me very important to do. Because it was actually showing me that that was worth fighting for. It was, you know, for me, really worth. Keep on going. And it was actually when I started to go to Sacred Dance or it's also called Sacred Circle Dance.
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Marjolein
That is where I actually slowed down and started to feel actually into the movements more and allowing myself to, to seal the emotion behind the movement and. Later on with Argentine Tango, I encountered the dynamic of a relationship also partner, and really found the.
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Marjolein
The deep connection you can have with a partner and relax completely into a trust and allowing the body to respond on that dialogue what you have with the partner. So instead of holding on to I need to do this right, I need to do this. Well it became. It became clear that I could be myself within that dance and show me as a person in my movements.
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Marjolein
And I think this when I started to become aware of 5rhythms and I went there for the first time, it was a feeling of coming home. It was the place that I was really like, okay, this is really what movement and dance is about for me. Expressing myself completely, fully with it in all my glory.
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Marjolein
And feel connected with myself, with the the space and also with the people around me. And yeah, that started the whole journey going into the 5rhythms and learning about, yeah, every aspect of that.
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Chris
I've got a question, for you, my line, you said when, when you did the sacred dance in the circle, you said something really interesting. You said you, you, you were able to feel or recognise the, the emotion behind the movements. Yes. What do you mean by that? What's what's your interpretation of that?
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Marjolein
Well, a lot of the time when we move, we just do. We act, we move. And especially in the dance that we have nowadays, we are taught a movement how it is supposed to be. But that all is from the mind. It's, it's a shape that you can learn, with circle dance. The, the invitation is to actually slow down the, the movement and within a circle dancers, there's a core busy, but very simple.
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Marjolein
And you repeat that geography over and over and over through the whole song. So the body has time to actually come from the heart. And knowing the steps and the moves to, okay, I don't have to think about it anymore and I can relax and the movement and what is this actually doing with me, you know, to my body, do I like this movement?
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Marjolein
How how how do my arms feel? How do my legs feel? You know, and am I enjoying this feeling the relaxation in the body coming. And then you start to be able to feel what it happens in the circle. So not only personally are you making these movements, but you start to open up and see actually the people around you that you're dancing with.
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Marjolein
And start to feel the bigger connection, the bigger the circle itself. And you can even, you know, start to feel the energy of the whole group.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Chris
That just, another little similarity there. So I've been doing some, some acting and drama classes, and one technique is the Meisner technique, where it's about repetition, repetition, repetition, where you where you say something and you mirror it back and you just say your shirt is green, and you would say your shirt is green, and I say, your shirt is green.
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Chris
Yeah, your shirt is green, your shirt is green. Your shirt is green. No, mine's white, you know. And then it's just like, you know, eventually something happens. So that got me thinking about life and, well, how how is this even related to life? And now I think you said something really beautiful. You started to, once you started to get the steps and to get the rhythm, then you able to, you know, kind of forget about the steps and, and that and you're able to focus on others and you're able to reflect and receive and, so that's my insight.
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Chris
But what applicability and and, how can you see this if at all applying to to to life and and health and well-being. Because I know dance for you has, helped you in your in your health and in your happiness. So things like sacred dance and in a circle and other modalities, how have you seen those carry over into your life and into your health?
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Marjolein
Well, the first thing is that I think that you it's good to slow down, you know, it's not giving yourself the time and the space to actually come back, because our lives are so busy and we're so up in our head that it's it's so fast, you know, and giving ourselves the time to actually step back or stop and and, breathe and, and then sink into the body, whatever.
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Marjolein
And with, you know, notice whatever there is, I think that's a massive, first step and it's, and this step is already scary. Yeah. You know, it can be really scary to just say, okay, stop, embrace. You know, and what next or what comes up next?
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Chris
That's risky. Right? Because now now it's the real you. Because the facade is gone. Now it's you that's there, and you're opening yourself up to interpretation to to other people, the the insecurities that you've been guarding against. And just all become.
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Marjolein
So hard to hold on and to fight. They fight that, you know, everything that we do and I think with the 5 rhythms, this is exactly where we try to. Find different ways to be, to move, to act. So if we are talking about disobedience, there are for every rhythm there's a shadow side and we step in the shadow side very quickly in our daily lives.
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Marjolein
So how can we get out of that shadow and give it breath and space and freedom for the body to move and step into the light with that? How can we take, for example, the tension of our action and breathe and then still do the action, but without the emotion or the drama that's connected to that? You know, action.
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Marjolein
And so the story, the story, can we, you know, take those things apart and say, okay, this is story and that is good. You know, there's a story that has right to be there. And I'm acting in a way that is still connected with me and grounded and very much so with my heart connected and, yeah, respond to something in a way that is unique to me.
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Marjolein
And real.
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Chris
Man I love that. I love that so much. I think that's so applicable to life I think, I think that's so okay. So oh okay. I was about to say so a part of me wants.
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Marjolein
But.
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Chris
I'm not a dancer. But wow. Okay. This we could unpack that. There we go. I just said it. I feel you all right.
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Filly
When we dance together. You're a great dancer.
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Chris
But but then I think. Okay, well, hang on a minute. Just what's under that, Chris? And and I think. Yeah. Like, there's a there's fear in there. There's there's a fear of judgement. There's. And then I know from from working on myself. Well that's another way, another facet that I can unpack of unlovable ness and fear around being loved and accepted that.
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Chris
But I've just I've just noticed about myself. I'm just like, yeah, well, there's another blind spot. Didn't, you know, like, dance? I think for men, I might be going around in circles here. And I don't know if I speak for all men, but. But I know a lot of blokey, blokey guys probably call themselves not dancers as well, you know.
00:26:45:01 - 00:27:08:18
Chris
Yes, but. But then. But why? And it's okay if someone doesn't enjoy something. But then, you know, is there insecurity in there? Is there like a fear of failure? Is there a fear of not being enough, of being unloved, of being judged? I see that right now, like just from this conversation right now, I've got a blind spot.
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Filly
If you think about all traditional I mean, I know every single traditional society back from, I don't know mankind, but the ones that I do know, all of them danced.
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Chris
Man. Especially warriors.
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Filly
Including the warriors and the. And the men. So it's a modern cultural story that. Oh, like, it's a bit too feminine, a bit too girly to dance. But then what instilled that what that would be like a whole heap is stories. So many around judgement. Like it's fear of judgement.
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Chris
Sit down, be good, don't. Don't talk, don't debt. Sit down boys don't dance. Boys play sport and that's it.
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Filly
And if you think about modern societies, then, I had something really good that I was going to say, but it's just going for my mind judgement. It's around fear of judgement. Yeah. It's okay.
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Chris
Yeah. Like it's cultural, isn't it?
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Marjolein
You know.
00:28:02:05 - 00:28:29:20
Filly
Oh no. That's why like I feel like when I, so when I, when I dance and when you did the workshop for our clients and I got into it, especially when the camera wasn't on me, Chris kept doing sneaky like spotlights on me. And I'm like, come on, Chris. So I noticed that. But also that was a really good learning experience as well, that it's like you're like, I don't, I don't in my heart of hearts, I don't care.
00:28:29:22 - 00:28:53:22
Filly
But when when I'm able to drop into my body, like it really feels like I'm going to use the word God, you, anyone listening can change that word to for what resonates with them. But it's almost like your God given right to move your body. It's like how birth right where we're born to to move. And yes, I also think dance.
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Filly
There's so much joy and pureness and spaciousness and realness when you can just like let your body move.
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Marjolein
Absolutely. No, I totally agree. This is this is very real. You know, our society judges us constantly, and we are our own judge, you know, biggest, biggest, the absolutely biggest, the I think that is the, the the beauty of the sirens floor. The dance floor is that we take that away. We everybody is equal on the dance floor.
00:29:32:05 - 00:29:59:05
Marjolein
And yes, you will get the challenge to, you know, face yourself, face your fears. But that's okay. And we try to make our dance floor so as safe as possible, for everybody to actually step in from whatever point they are coming from, you know, and that means that some dance, you know, everybody has your, their unique space.
00:29:59:07 - 00:30:22:11
Marjolein
And for some people, it takes time to actually be in a dance space. And I'll just being there is already frightening. And, so, you know, it's very important to again, slow down and say, okay, you know, what do I need to actually feel safe in this space right now?
00:30:22:16 - 00:30:23:09
Chris
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Marjolein
Now what do I need. And especially for men, it is okay to feel that way too. You know being afraid it's or or uncomfortable. That is not a bad thing is actually really good because it shows you you know what you say where you're blind spots are. So if it isn't actually a challenge, then it is actually a way to learn and and move through the emotion.
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Chris
And I feel fired up right now. Okay, so what am I feeling? I'm feeling I'm feeling a fire right now. Like. And I'm just my mind is just thinking about Aboriginal cultures, Native Americans. I'm thinking of Vikings. Right? I'm thinking of, Celts and tribes. I'm in my ancient ancestors. Right. Dance. Dance was not just, a party.
00:31:22:02 - 00:31:31:07
Chris
It wasn't just a fun thing. Dance was sacred. It was special. It was important. It was story. It was culture. It was a rite of passage storytelling.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Chris
I just think, you know, and I think about, I've gotten into gardening a lot lately, and, I just think, man, there's so many problems that, in our modern society that, we don't eat good food, we don't have a relationship with, with stuff that we eat. We don't have a good relationship with ourselves. And we've lost connection to the land.
00:31:55:14 - 00:32:22:14
Chris
We've lost connection to each other. We've lost connection to our body, a body and things like, having your own food, eating good food, dancing, moving. You know, how many problems are there? Because we feel culturally stifled and straightjacket into, you know, not moving. I think I think, yeah. Dance is beautiful.
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Marjolein
Yeah. And I think it's. Yeah, like you said, it's been in every culture. It is our. It is. Everybody dances now. We might think we cannot dance, but we can dance. All of that is we can all the sound of the sirens used to say, if you can move, you can dance. Because it is like a you said really it's our birthright.
00:32:50:04 - 00:33:19:09
Marjolein
You know, we come in, in life in movement, you know, and sometimes we, we just need to stop saying to ourselves we need to dance but allow ourselves to move and see what comes up. And I'll see what happens if you, you, you disconnect from the word dance and just say, I'm going to move with whatever comes, you know, into, into the moment.
00:33:19:11 - 00:33:20:05
Filly
00:33:20:07 - 00:33:51:19
Marjolein
And see how I feel with that, you know, I think it is very important to know that, you know, dance is it's very basic, of course, in, in our world and there are a lot of dance floors that are inviting to dance freely and do whatever, you want. And I think that was the, you know, comes to the point where you talking about conscious dancing, which is a very big world.
00:33:51:21 - 00:34:20:06
Marjolein
And I think the 5rhythms, is very clear in its structure to hold a very safe space, where we want to get to know ourselves better and know and to do that, I think personally, I think to become more aware of what who you are, what you you're about, is do you need to be doing that from a very clear perspective?
00:34:20:10 - 00:35:07:13
Marjolein
You know, at the more you are aware, the more you are willing to, willing to see yourselves. It needs to come from a space of clarity and sober t so so how do you say that sobriety. Sobriety? Yes. Do. So we in the five freedoms we really encourage to be, not influenced by any alcohol, drugs or any other, yeah, element that can actually take you away from who you are or numb yourself or masked yourself.
00:35:07:15 - 00:35:49:13
Marjolein
To drop all that and to allow you to come forward. So and there's where, I know that there are a lot of flaws where that is less clear. So within the conscious world, some places focus more on the clubbing than the consciousness. Yeah. And, yeah I think that is, it's very for me it's been always very helpful to know that this is also a safe space on that level, because as soon as you bring any substance into the equation, people change.
00:35:49:13 - 00:35:54:19
Marjolein
People actually not showing their real selves.
00:35:54:21 - 00:35:56:16
Filly
And for their selves.
00:35:56:18 - 00:36:14:17
Marjolein
Yeah. Which, which for me as a dancer in that space it changes and yeah. So that's something I'd like to, you know, bring in as what the consciousness, you know, space is can.
00:36:14:20 - 00:36:21:13
Chris
Can you define conscious dance for us and the benefits and, and, and that sort of thing.
00:36:21:15 - 00:36:22:03
Filly
You know.
00:36:22:04 - 00:36:38:01
Marjolein
Yeah, I think it's the conscious dance is sort of like an umbrella term all dancing with awareness or mindfulness. And so.
00:36:38:03 - 00:37:18:07
Marjolein
Allowing to mess with whatever is and, and meeting yourself in that it's like a meditation in movement and I it's, it's also a practice very much a practice because. It's not a quick fix. Right. You know, we do want to, feel good and we want to, have a good time. And with conscious dance, the invitation is to do this,
00:37:18:08 - 00:37:24:12
Marjolein
How to say that?
00:37:24:14 - 00:37:51:20
Marjolein
Without actually going away, you know, from from yourself to actually getting that into a very embodied, embodied way and letting it move through. So what inside that is a lot of times we say, you know, the only way to go out is to go in.
00:37:51:22 - 00:37:54:05
Chris
I like it. Yeah.
00:37:54:07 - 00:38:08:18
Marjolein
And. So it is important that the more clear you are, the more aware you are, the more conscious you are.
00:38:08:20 - 00:38:33:17
Marjolein
The more you see of yourself a mirror and gives you allowance to release and let go, which gives you the way through. And the, and the other side is that you will feel release and there is, will be release and.
00:38:33:19 - 00:39:06:16
Marjolein
Joy will come naturally. Now, so within the five rhythms, there is a, a way and the way it is build up. With five rhythms. But it's meant to make you go through all those elements. It makes you go through all the emotions and bring you in a safe way. On the other side.
00:39:06:18 - 00:39:14:01
Filly
So you go through those five just for people. There'll be lots of listeners that yes, probably haven't heard about it. Yeah.
00:39:14:03 - 00:39:51:00
Marjolein
But like I said, it's five rhythms. The first rhythm is flowing, the second is staccato, the third one is chaos. Then we got lyrical and then stillness. So Gabriella Ross, has been working all our lives to find why people are moving and what makes them moves. So in life, everything goes through this way of life rhythms. Actually, it has a way of, let's say.
00:39:51:02 - 00:40:28:06
Marjolein
Like I will use, a flower that comes out of the ground. Slowing is about that space where a seed is in the ground and set and feels and is connected with Mother Earth, and it has all the potentials and it just nurturing itself. It's just giving love to whatever is there. And. Just being present, becoming present with the surrounding the the, the, the, the potency, the potency of the seed.
00:40:28:07 - 00:41:00:12
Marjolein
Right. When least when that seed starts to open, when it's ready to actually grow, we step into staccato. Staccato is a second rhythm where the action comes out, the expressions comes out. The natural way of growing. We'll start and we can explore. We can explore our physicality, you know, our body, the end of our fingertips, our top.
00:41:00:12 - 00:41:35:10
Marjolein
How big can we become? And find our possibilities in there that way. Chaos. This is a moment that the plant or the flower will bloom. It will show itself in all its glory. And it's just doing that, you know, that's the purpose of a plant. It just grow in its fullness. And this is where chaos really comes in, because this is the space where we can actually release that is holding us back.
00:41:35:12 - 00:42:05:13
Marjolein
You know, we can let go of our head or drama, our story, whatever it is. We can just let it, let it go and shake it off, you know? And sometimes this is this is a scary field because it's unknown what happens if you let go of your story. You know what happens? You know, and that is where the trust comes in to know that you're here for a reason and you're here to bloom.
00:42:05:15 - 00:42:29:10
Marjolein
And therefore you have to shake off everything that doesn't need to be there. I personally am so scared to go in this, in this chaos and let it go. Let it. And that comes from time sometimes for some people with a lot of energy, you know, and and that's okay. The, you know, the floor is strong enough. Mother Earth can take that all in.
00:42:29:15 - 00:42:56:04
Marjolein
And all the chaos and frustration the, the, the, the, the bigness of it. And for some people that it's just a simmer, you know, it's just a little shake and it's just a little scoop and way of, you know, letting go. So it's really depends on on the person, right, how big this can be. But it is the place where all these possibilities is being, you know, thrown up in the air.
00:42:56:06 - 00:43:18:23
Marjolein
And that's the beauty of it. That's the moment where we can actually let go and slide into the lyrical part where we basically really become aware of this bigness. It is where the flower says, this is completely me. I'm taking in the sun. Look at my beauty, look at everything around me, everything working together.
00:43:19:01 - 00:43:20:17
Filly
Take it or leave it.
00:43:20:19 - 00:43:47:08
Marjolein
Take it or leave it. This is it, you know. And we start to connect. We expand. We want to show our love. So everyone and everybody that's a natural, you know, movement outwards. So that's where lyrical really is a place where we end up in, you know, it's not that we do that. We end up in that beautiful space where we can see everything and embrace everything.
00:43:47:10 - 00:44:34:09
Marjolein
And then stillness comes where we bring that energy down and we we allow it to simmer out, notice our breath and embrace everything that is there. So all the rhythms that have happened before come together in stillness, and they can just be there. And whatever's left over all that journey is just there. And you breathe it, you move with it, whatever that is there that wants to move through, you know, and in connection with your own body, connection with the space, the people around you, and maybe even bigger now, maybe you can sense.
00:44:34:11 - 00:45:02:17
Marjolein
You know, all the way into the cosmos, you know, connect with that. Yeah. So yeah. So that's the wave. And coming back to the planet, this is the place where, you know, in stillness it comes back to Earth. It comes back to letting go completely and take that through the process of, you know, dying also and coming back to the core, back to that seed into the ground.
00:45:02:19 - 00:45:03:19
Filly
Beautiful.
00:45:03:20 - 00:45:41:13
Marjolein
It starts all over again. So that this is a constant slow that's happening. Everything that we do in our daily life, the day itself. And I think Gabriella really made that in a savvy, practical and useful tool to give to the world. And, and she She created all kinds of maps to use and to learn more about ourselves.
00:45:41:15 - 00:46:08:03
Marjolein
And that is physically like this. The waves in itself, the, the is a very physical, a physical way to train your body. And then there are layers or, or they're, I'm talking about more of the mind and the mental states that we have. And there are levels where, you know, we also talk about spiritual ality.
00:46:08:05 - 00:46:17:13
Marjolein
Yeah. So there's, there's a lot of possibilities within that field of desire rhythms.
00:46:17:14 - 00:46:19:23
Filly
So beautiful.
00:46:20:01 - 00:46:20:23
Marjolein
00:46:21:01 - 00:46:23:16
Filly
I mean we could talk for hours. This is vein.
00:46:23:17 - 00:46:24:22
Chris
Sounds really good.
00:46:25:00 - 00:46:49:13
Filly
Yeah. I'm really excited. By the time this is published, I would have done an in-person workshop with you, but I think that's happening for me. In two weeks. I'm going to be dancing with this in real life, and I'm so excited. For those who want to find out more about you, and your dance practices, your events, your classes, your workshops, tell them how they can find you and and.
00:46:49:13 - 00:46:52:10
Filly
Yeah. Like what? What you can offer.
00:46:52:12 - 00:47:36:02
Marjolein
Absolutely. So, yeah, please, visit my website. The dancer told live. There is a, there's a lot more information to see what, you know, visions about. And, there's a calendar where you can see what what's on offer. And yes, there are a lot of combinations also between, 5rhythms and, you know, sound. So, absolutely plenty to see and find and, if you are interested in knowing more about the size rooms itself or Gabrielle Cappiello Ross.
00:47:36:04 - 00:47:53:06
Marjolein
Yeah, go to YouTube and just Google her name because there are many videos there that she is talking and explaining a lot about her, her creations and their very inspiring, videos. They're so.
00:47:53:08 - 00:48:07:07
Filly
Awesome. And you're physically based in Hobart, Tasmania. Yeah. And sister Alia, for those who are worldwide and you do in-person sessions, do you do online classes as well? Well, that might be a future.
00:48:07:08 - 00:48:11:15
Marjolein
Thing that at the not at the moment, but I will come back online. Yes.
00:48:11:15 - 00:48:15:12
Filly
Cool. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for sharing.
00:48:15:14 - 00:48:16:19
Marjolein
Thank you so much. Yeah.
00:48:16:20 - 00:48:31:22
Filly
Not just not just this story, but yeah, not just your story and wisdom, but like there is so much energy in this conversation and love and passion and returning back to self. So it was so beautiful. Thank you.
00:48:32:00 - 00:48:36:22
Marjolein
Thank you so much. And keep on breathing. That's eating your feet.
00:48:37:03 - 00:48:37:19
Filly
Yeah.
00:48:37:21 - 00:48:53:21
Chris
That's it. All right. Well thank you so much. My line for coming on to the show and everybody. We hope you have a good week. Actually have the best week ever. And we'll chat to next time.
00:48:53:23 - 00:49:04:01
Filly
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Chris
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