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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Body Burn Out Show. We are your host, Chris and Filly co-founders of a multi-award-winning winning functional medicine practice, serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
While busyness, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm, it's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root, root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
Sorry, get ready to heal your body, get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Filly
Hello, beautiful people. Today we are Chris and I are talking to the wonderful Jenny Savage, who is a phenomenal female entrepreneur. She is the founder and author of the Strategic Bookkeeper and Cloud nine Strategic Bookkeeping. We first met Jamie back in 2021 when we did a business program together. The key person of influence. And we as part of the program, we were slotted into small groups of like four or five entrepreneurs as our accountability buddies, and Jamie was in our group.
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Filly
And from the moment that I met her, she just made me smile. She is a firecracker. She is so bursting with enthusiasm about life. She is incredibly successful. She has created some very, very successful businesses. And what I also love about Jeannie is that she ferociously protects her own self-care and her health. And so we're going to dive into her story today because she has a pretty phenomenal body burnout story, even way back when she was little severe allergies, asthma later on in life, when her soul was being sucked out of her in a marriage that was no longer serving her, she developed a whole heap of other symptoms, including fatigue, more allergy responses.
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Filly
And so Chris and I really she's very gracious in that we really were able to pick and dive really deep into why she burnt out and what are the deeper root causes that was going that was happening that caused her body to burn out. And also what she did to recover and how she now supports her health. And while building some remarkable businesses.
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Filly
Okay, so a bit about Jeannie. So Jeannie is an award winning strategic bookkeeper, author, certified trainer and speaker. She's the CEO and brainchild behind the Strategic Bookkeeper, which exists to help bookkeepers build and sustain a thriving practice. She's also the CEO of Cloud nine Strategic and Bookkeeping, a bookkeeping service in Australia. She's been in practice for 13 years and she's scaled into a lifestyle business after just five years so she can live her dream on her terms.
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Filly
And it has been awesome during her time in practice, she's perfected everything from building a brand, attracting, retaining high value clients, selling succession products, systematising and building leading and managing productive teams. Her vision for you is ultimately to help you live your dream on your terms through her book, podcast, bookkeeping service, and her mentoring program. So before we dive into today's chat with Janie, I just want to do a little call out of the book and anybody burn out.
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Filly
I've been talking a lot about this book, but you know, it's kind of been two years in the making, which is the equivalent of almost three babies. So it's a big deal. It's a big deal to put a book out into the world. And I'm hoping that there's been some happy customers or readers, happy readers reading the book.
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Filly
If you have read the book, I would so appreciate you to jump onto Amazon or Book Depository and leave a review that enables more people to find the book and also check out the show notes because we're running some really fun. Sparky motivating events at book tour events. So holding one in Tassie, Sydney and this year and then next year 2024 will be gallivanting around the country.
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Filly
So if you don't see your city on the book tour page in the show notes, reach out to us. If you love us to come, we will pack our bags and come to you to bring you the book and all the gems and all the excitement inside ending body burn out. Oh, and also one other thing. If you have read the book or if you've been following us for a while and you're like, Oh, I'd really love to work with these guys.
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Filly
We are our doors to our ending body burn out methods. So that is our signature program I opened now so you can jump right in even if you haven't had an initial consult or testing, you can jump right into the ending body burn out method and start your healing journey at a root root cause level. Again, I'll pop that in the show notes.
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Filly
We would so love to see you there. We have two options to do the ending body burn out method. So one is semi-private, which includes monthly one on ones group coaching our online portal that takes you through the ending body burn out method process and or our VIP private one on one option where you get us in your corner one on one weekly, sometimes more than once a week, which can really help to dive into the deepest root cause of your body burn out.
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Filly
And we do a lot of trauma therapy and stuff within that private one on one option as well, because I feel that that requires more one on one support. So check out the show notes and we'll see you inside the antibody burn out method. But for now, let's switch over to our chat with Janie.
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Chris
All right. So welcome to the ending body burn Out show. We've got Jenny Savage with us. Really want to just welcome you to our podcast. Super excited to have you on Jenny. Ah.
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Jeanne
Thank you. Yeah.
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Chris
Hey I reckon let's let's dive in as we do with all of our guests into your personal story. When did you tell us a little bit more about you and your burn out story? When did you experience Burn Out? What was happening in your life at the time? Can you introduce yourself? Tell us a little bit more about Burn Out and your experience with it.
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Jeanne
Yeah. So yes, I'm I'm Jenny. I am a busy multi-tasking mama and an entrepreneur and so yeah my so I'm 51 now and I've been in so I'm an entrepreneur and I've been in business I feel like since I was one, right? And so I've been in and around really busy ventures and I'm really good at working under pressure and all that jazz.
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Jeanne
And in fact, I thrive under pressure. My burnout story is not one that came from, you know, any of those times in my life, really. Like, I can put my head down, I can work 12, 14, 16 hours a day and be fine. I think my burnout story came at a time when so, gosh, 13 years ago I had my beautiful little boy.
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Jeanne
I had a beautiful ten year old twins at the time and my little boy was coming or he came along and I didn't know that he would be special needs or as I call him, extraordinary. And so I think the pressure of that as a as a mom, I threw myself back into work because I think I felt like I was probably personally I felt like I was failing as a mom.
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Jeanne
And so I had a bit of post-natal depression, that kind of thing. My husband and I started to feel the pressure of it, and there was a point at which I probably realised that my marriage was in the toilet and Tom and wonderful man, we just didn't, we didn't survive the pressures. And it was during that time that I got to burn out.
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Jeanne
And so I just from the pressure of really everything that I had going on, my marriage, failing, all those kind of things, I got very unwell, I would say physically, mentally, spiritually and well, I ended up on cortisone and antibiotics and I would say I definitely went to the brink. And actually when I finally said to my husband, we need to part ways, do you know, it was probably more because I thought if I don't, I may die.
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Jeanne
Like I may not survive this. And it sounds dramatic, doesn't it? But I think you've always known people who have not made the choice, you know, And my sister was one of those she dropped in of a heart attack. And I just realised, yeah, I need to I need to walk away from this or I'm not going to survive it.
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Jeanne
And it was through that shocking burn out and the cortisone is off the charts and you get, you know, you gain weight because your body is holding on to all of the fat and it's just, you know, you're the worst of yourself. That I realised that my health is my wealth. And I went about learning to actually put myself first, which is probably my big mission in life, is to inspire other women to put themselves first.
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Filly
What what's the symptoms were you getting like? You mentioned antibiotics and cortisone creams. Yes.
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Jeanne
So I feel like what wasn't I getting? So I had all the things. Yeah, I had to take a handful of painkillers a day, twice a day to take the edge off the head. Pain I spent usually a day a week in. So Friday was like the day I was meant to spend with my son. So I spent that day in bed in shocking just migraine pain while my little boy just ran around the house, spinning, scared so and so.
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Jeanne
A lot of migraine pain. I had a lot of I had tremors, like shakes kind of all over. So definitely those things again, like I was popping out probably partly from the cortisone, partly from long term stress, making your body retain weight. So I was I was gaining weight. I was at one point suffering really bad anxiety as well.
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Jeanne
And I think a lot of it was that a lot of pain I was experiencing a lot, a lot of head pain, a lot of body pain and probably probably really heightened anxiety as well, Yeah.
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Filly
MM We always say like it's getting to the root cause, root cause of health issues and there's always body system imbalances and physical stuff going on, but there's so much deeper stuff and I think your story too of oh, it wasn't actually that I was working a lot and building a business that was that my soul was dying because I was in this relationship that wasn't working anymore.
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Filly
And so essentially it sounds like your body was just screaming at you. It's like, Hey, I'm actually going to force you to do something here because, yeah, Yeah. Is that like how you felt?
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Jeanne
It definitely was. And the other thing I was doing, I should say, so I was doing what, so many I'll just speak for moms. I'm a woman, I'm a mom. So is doing what most moms do. And people were trying to medical professionals were trying to make me aware of it, but I didn't. You've got to knock me in the head with a sledge hammer to get me to understand something.
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Jeanne
And they didn't do that. What was happening is I thought as a mom, it was my job to put everybody else first, right? So the twins and my son and the universe was talking to me in a funny way. So on my Medicaid count. So it was my Medicare card that I added my then husband and his children and my child too.
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Jeanne
And somehow I ended up lost. And so the Medicare office and the doctor thought it was hilarious. And they said, Can you not say that you literally come last like you? And when I said that, I know, right? So I thought and, you know, as a mom, is anybody ever says to you, you've really got to put yourself first, you burst out laughing and you think that they're joking, you know, And so I thought that that was ridiculous.
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Jeanne
There was no way like my husband definitely came before me, you know? I mean, he was the main breadwinner. I was meant to be the mom with the side hustle job. Right. And then I had to take care of the twins and I had to take care of everyone. And I guess eventually what dawned on me is if I was dead, my little boy says, If you are dead, mom, why You can't take care of anyone.
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Jeanne
And it's morbid, but I am so glad that he gets it, you know, that he gets put yourself first. And so that's what sent me on that journey. So yeah, definitely it was putting it was it was thinking that I shouldn't be putting myself first mentally, spiritually or physically.
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Chris
That's really interesting about the Medicare. I just whipped mine out to see where I where I ranked, where we answered. Your first Phillies first, then it goes poppy, then else's lost. That's and that's really interesting.
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Filly
Mm. Maybe it's a pattern there.
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Jeanne
So the other thing I should say I was getting, I tend to get asthma and that kind of thing. And so as you can imagine, all those things get exacerbated. So there was asthma that was. But then I think there's all the other things inside that happened, like, you know, I think cholesterol, like I've got low blood pressure, so I'm lucky.
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Jeanne
But my sister's, you know, she was depressed. She was went out, she didn't and she just died of a heart attack, you know, And when I actually said to everyone, I'm really worried that she's just going to drop dead. And everyone said, Jeannie, are just overreacting, you know, But this is these are especially you get to a certain age and you're either going to take care of yourself or, you know, you may not be on this planet.
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Jeanne
So. Yeah, Yeah.
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Filly
So what would you say then, with more wisdom, hindsight, the deepest root cause of your body burn out. So you were saying not putting yourself first, but what, like even deeper than that? I don't know if you've ever thought about this, but what do you feel like? Was the the the machine or the thing that was driving that pattern of behaviour anyway?
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Jeanne
Honestly, I think and you're right, I haven't thought about it at that level because I always thought it's about putting myself first. But definitely the thing that I constantly remember is and, and I, you know, when I read books and things like this on health, sometimes it's it's about physical health or it's about mental health. And what I like to think and what the root cause is, is not neglecting the mental, the physical, the spiritual health.
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Jeanne
Because when I go to that place, you know, it's like, well, you just eating to survive. You're not thinking about what you're eating, but you also aren't doing anything that is giving you any spiritual well-being, right? So for me, Latin dancing is where I get my spirit. It's where I get my joy, connection and belonging. It's a lot like I don't go to a church, but I.
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Jeanne
I know what people get from church and I also say Latin dancing. I feel like it gives me a lot of the things that people get from church. The joy, the connection to belonging. And then there's the mental health. And I think mental health like confidence, courage, all these things, none of these falls are spaced out of the sky, but it takes, number one, valuing it, all of them.
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Jeanne
Number two, doing the work that helps you to build and maintain it all, you know? And then I think, yeah, just then back to putting yourself first and prioritising these things. And I think I've definitely, I think at the root cause was neglecting all those three things because if you just start eating well, but you've got, you know, for example, you've got someone who's you're in a toxic or abusive relationship right.
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Jeanne
Or you know, or you're constantly reading self-help books, but you're living on junk food like you can't you need to be valuing yourself overall. And I like to say it like this, this movement these days, that is, you know, going easy on yourself. And I think like what I like to say and I do drop the F-bomb every now and then when I say lots of self-love, but big fucking goals.
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Jeanne
So yeah.
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Filly
MM Was there anything else that you did to heal from Body Burn out?
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Jeanne
I was going to an acupuncturist a lot and she was amazing and but I felt like Humpty-Dumpty at the time, you know, like she was kind of, she was keeping me off the edge like maybe I left the office without trimmers. She gave me a bit of relief from the cortisol. But I think when my husband and I split and like I say, beautiful man, and to this day we have the most gorgeous, loving relationship.
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Jeanne
I call it a three way marriage now, like I love his wife as well, but I feel like he takes care of all of this beautiful human being. But I think once that ended, I definitely had finished my grieving or as he just started. So that was really hard. But because I was in a really good place, kind of immediately I grieved for three years.
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Jeanne
I was so sick. I think it was just starting. The look I put, which you taught me fully, is that I do put nutrition at the centre of my health. So for me I, I like to say the healthy vessel is where we have the healthy spirit and the healthy brain, you know, So if we I do the climb massive on cooking, but you've got me on to the Holy Grail, which is nutrition, which is you have things and well you had it changed and saved my life, but I have been sick on and off a lot of my life and I am no longer sick.
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Jeanne
Thank you to your recommendation and favourite. So cool. Yes, so amazing. So I think I said the first thing I started doing was cooking and then I started going to the gym. And interestingly with going to the gym, I'm a big believer in environment like they talk about in atomic habits. And so going to the gym was a combination of physical and mental and spiritual health.
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Jeanne
You know, go to another environment, go to the women's workout room, put on some stuff that I like, you know, being a whole new environment. So I just started slowly and then I did things like I brought music back into my life and all of that kind of thing. And look, I've always been someone who I believe your health is your wealth.
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Jeanne
I believe you should invest in your health. So I have always been happy to throw a lot of money at my health. You know, I mean, to this day, I spend thousands and thousands on, you know, my health, whether that's functional medicine like you're talking about, I'm always engaged in that chiropractic massage, all of these things. I mean, I would probably spend 10,000 a year, I think, but I think I'm in better health than anyone else that I know.
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Jeanne
So I think I just went about doing all the all the little things, you know?
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Filly
Yeah, you definitely don't look like you're 51. So ignore it. Say you go, it's paying off very.
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Jeanne
You see.
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Filly
So it sounds like this experience really changed the way that you were doing life. What about business? Because you are a phenomenal entrepreneur. Can you tell us about like a little bit about maybe what you were doing and still are, but also now what you've transitioned into and your big mission, your big purpose?
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Jeanne
Yeah, Yeah. So at the time I was with my my little guy was five at the time, said, ay now when my marriage split, but just when he was in my belly, I started my own bookkeeping practice. I have a background in heavy duty business operations. I helped our family grow their business from 10 to 100 million. It was crazy.
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Jeanne
I felt like I had a big brain behind my small boy. To this day, he doesn't really know what I did. Oh, I know he doesn't respect me. Yeah, I just. I just keep that sucker afloat. I did, right. But it was. It was an amazing apprenticeship, so then I thought.
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Filly
So, too. So how old were you when you did that?
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Jeanne
Oh, my goodness. So I, I worked on and off for him from 615, but when he picked up the last thing, sure, I came up and fix things for him at about 24. And then by 26 I was I was really into it and heavily, heavily involved. And yeah, I remember I was told go fix the distribution centre, which is the size of a football field, or we may close there at 10 million.
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Jeanne
And I was never given instruction. It was just.
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Filly
You just make.
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Jeanne
It happen yo little fight because you need to exercise, right? We all need to do so. Hop on a bike ride down there from sunup to sundown, fix it, whatever is going wrong. And so then I learned to move. So for example, I would go down. I've got a very hard problem solving IQ, so I would work out very quickly what was wrong, prioritise what had to be done immediately.
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Jeanne
Do it, recruit staff, train them systemise and move to the next disaster. So I did that and I loved it. I loved every minute of it. I thrived on it. Yeah. So it was it was really fun and really amazing. And I definitely just found my own rewards. But when I was having a baby, I decided, you know what, bookkeeping, I can narrowly focus on that.
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Jeanne
So I've been doing that for some years now, but I'm also quite a high end business strategist. I've helped quite a few Australian businesses, cornered the market and go from strength to strength. It's absolutely a privilege and amazing with a little warning. I don't pull punches if you work with me. And so I help businesses with everything from basic bookkeeping to the very complicated bookkeeping to end to end business strategy in order to help them with profit cash and also time wealth and to really help them like I was just with a client before.
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Jeanne
And so really help them corner the Australian market in their industry and they are doing really well. They're making tons of money, they're being able to buy tons of assets. However, my focus with them and we talked about the mechanics for about an hour and a half, we came up with a plan. I've been working with them for a few years, but then for me it's all about reminding them like the very last thing I asked them to do is I said, I want you to go away.
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Jeanne
We're towards the end of the year and I want you to really architecture your life. You know, this is now is the time to work smarter, not harder. And we and I said, you know, it's about I want you to think about all the things you've forgotten that you want to do. Like what I don't want is the busy, workaholic entrepreneurs that get into these habits and can't break them.
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Jeanne
So I'm all about helping clients to free up the time and to prioritise to help. I'm also the the strategic bookkeeper and all of my bookkeepers aim to be the healthy bookkeeper and it warms my heart. You know what they can tell me anything and it's exciting. But when they tell me that they're walking every day now that it's my sole, do you.
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Filly
Do you implement that? Like is it just through conversation or is that part of your whether it's like through course training or mentorship or it's just the seeds of like, come on, it's not all about money. It's actually because you can't do much If you did correct.
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Jeanne
So it's massive. It's through everything I do. So on the bookkeeping side where I'm working with entrepreneurs and often I'm working with dads, but absolutely women as well. So it's just my nature on that side. I tend to be working with a lot of men, so our vision is actually up to business performance, prosperity and peace of mind.
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Jeanne
So then we explain the prosperity pace. So prosperity is about buying time, right? It's about having the time to prioritise the things that are important to you. And so we literally from the get go and then we have process, we have scoring across, so scorecards for cash profit, but then prosperity, and then we periodically rescore them to see where they're sitting.
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Jeanne
And so it's a constant conversation. And then with the strategic, with the strategic behaviour and the bookkeepers and even now, like if anyone said, what do you do for a living, I would say I help busy multi-tasking parents all over the world live their dream on their terms. So that's the thing for the bookkeepers and their dream on their terms is prioritising their health, you know, and it's time with their family.
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Jeanne
So I just ask my clients, you know, here's my story and my story is their story. And they're like, But I've been through all that. And I'm like, wait. So it's really about, you know, asking them what's important to you? And you know what they say? They say their health is important. Yeah.
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Filly
Yep. I think until you if someone hasn't had health issues before, they don't really understand that. It's not until you almost lose it or it really starts impacting whether it's your parenthood or your marriage or your work. And then it's like, oh my gosh, like health really is the tip of the pyramid in terms of like living a happy and thriving life.
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Jeanne
Yeah, definitely. And so I heard someone once say, Write your story top priorities down. And I write like me, I'm number one. And then number two is my son, you know, And they're little. That's got to be your priority, right? And then number three, I call my employer because my work is my purpose is it's my soul. And I love it.
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Jeanne
I work because I want to, not because I have to. But when you set that intention, you know, and you say, well, what does it look like to prioritise myself mentally, spiritually, physically, I think it gives you for me, certainly I've gone on a journey of learning to say no. I've learning to ignore things. Literally. I remember I had someone reach out once and said, You know, I'm going through a rough time and I was wondering if you could be there for me.
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Jeanne
And I do know this person that well. And I stopped and I asked myself, Is it going to fade into one of my priorities because we only have finite time and I wouldn't have left him hanging. But I just said, do you have someone else? Because I don't really have room in my life for this. And how many of us just default and say, Yes, sure, you know, but I think to set those intentions and then whoever it was, it talked about this, they said, ask yourself every time you do something, is it feeding into one of my priorities?
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Jeanne
And when I go to dancing, I ask myself what priorities is made with spiritual health, you know, that kind of thing. And so because isn't it true that when you say yes to one thing, you're saying no to something else? Yeah.
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Chris
That's yeah. You can't lean into something without leaning away from something else, Right.
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Jeanne
It's true. Yeah. So I think Yeah. Having these canary in the coal mine, that's what I call it too. Like when I'm busy with my global launch that I just did and it was amazing. But I say to myself, anything I'm sacrificing, like, as long as it's short term and you can say it's worth it. Like, I didn't get to go to that amazing dance event I really love because I'm launching a global brand.
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Jeanne
That's okay. It's okay. Once it's okay twice, maybe three times. But then the canary in the coal mine is dead. And, you know, so I think having those because Billy, like you was saying, you know, if you haven't had health problems, sometimes I feel fortunate that I have a sensitive body that tells me something's wrong much quicker than other people because I've got a lot of friends that get diverticulitis and all these other things.
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Jeanne
And a lot of them don't know that. These are often preventable diseases, which is not what the doctor would tell you. It's just, you know, you got unlucky. But this can be things going on inside that you just not aware of. So some people say to me, Oh, you're so sensitive, it must be horrible. Like I don't drink much alcohol and I can't eat colourings and preservatives and I think, you know, maybe I'm lucky that my body tells me that I can't have those things because your body is not until you're in surgery getting part of your bowel cut out.
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Jeanne
You know, it's like.
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Filly
Yes, yeah, yes. I think I've got that type of body too. It's a beautiful communication pathway and I'm so grateful. And I love you as in my body. But I also love you, too.
00;31;31;17 - 00;31;49;23
Jeanne
Yeah, Yeah, I know. I think so. That's what I've definitely leaned into. I'm like, No, I'm just going to lean into it. My friends are used to bringing food to the house and they go, We know you won't eat any of this. Mm hmm. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome.
00;31;49;26 - 00;32;20;21
Chris
You know what I'm really interested in, Janie, is you talked a little bit about when you were growing up in your family. What are some significant events or or things that might have happened in your life growing up that you think could could have created this this ethic, this this way of being this these is kind of like this pattern, this program, this way of being a problem solver.
00;32;20;27 - 00;32;47;08
Chris
This this strategic person running these patterns that you've got that work for you. But then but then maybe also led you down the path of burnout as well when you were unhealthily or dysfunctional playing them out or running them. What what do you think might have led to that? Is there anything that you can remember growing up that that might be significant?
00;32;47;11 - 00;33;11;15
Jeanne
Yeah, Look, I think I think there is certain things. I think I can pinpoint certain things. I think I had a I had a rough a rough period growing up. And I think when you look at the patterns of those of us who went through a lot of adversity and I would say I went through a shit ton of adversity, right?
00;33;11;17 - 00;33;34;11
Jeanne
And I was also a really sick kid. I think I died once I was revived. My asthma, allergies, eczema, all of that stuff was really life threatening. And so you grow out of a fair bit of it. But I was really, really, really sick and things that came easy to other people, nothing crazy to me. If I wanted something, I had to work, but I had to work.
00;33;34;11 - 00;33;56;03
Jeanne
But any form of health, I had to. I grew up in the age of convenience food, as I'm sure you guys were right and our parents were like, How exciting is this shit Is free made for us, right for kids? And so I grew up with all these toxic food. To be honest, that was way worse for me because I was reacting to it.
00;33;56;10 - 00;34;18;21
Jeanne
And so I didn't have health, I didn't have beauty, I didn't have any of those things. I had to work for everything. And then I had a lot of adversity. Nobody ever put me first. That's how I feel, like I had to learn. I'm on my arm. Anything that, you know, I'm the only person who's going to take care of me.
00;34;18;27 - 00;34;40;05
Jeanne
I don't come first, you know what I mean? And I so and I was always I grew up and I became very tough. I could take care of myself. I could take care of everyone. And so that led me to a place where it was natural to never, ever, ever put myself first, to put anyone around me before me.
00;34;40;11 - 00;35;08;27
Jeanne
And that really, I think, is the the major thing that led me to putting myself lost and ending up in a place where I was so burnt out. And I think in terms of it also made me relentless. So and lately I've had quite a few people say, You're really smart. And I thought and I think, Oh, when they say it and they relate it to something I'm doing, I think I don't think what I did there was smart.
00;35;08;27 - 00;35;39;13
Jeanne
I think what I did was relentless. And I think when you grow up with a lot of adversity and you kind of go to hell and back, so to speak, you you do get very tough. You do, you know, get to a point where not much rocks you. And I think there's definitely that. And getting the yeah, the body burn out was definitely growing up with this idea that I didn't also need.
00;35;39;13 - 00;35;58;25
Jeanne
I wasn't I thought I do what I need isn't that important because I've survived. I've always survived. Right. So then I don't really have needs. I can just put everyone else first and I'm going to power through and I'm going to be awesome. So when I fell apart, even with a person out of oppression, it was so confusing to me because.
00;35;59;02 - 00;36;16;28
Jeanne
It shouldn't have been happening, you know? I mean, I diagnosed my own post-natal depression like a problem. So I went to the doctor and said I got priced out depression, and he said, I can't believe I missed this. And I was like, Yeah, I've just done the sums and you know, that seems to kind of be and it was like, just fix it.
00;36;16;28 - 00;36;45;05
Jeanne
Just, you know, I just fix it kind of thing. Yeah. So I think it was, it was all of those things. And the more, you know, when I did KPI and they ask you to do your origin story, anyone who has a lot of advice and it does not want to do it. And so I think adversity there's, there's a really whenever I hear from someone who's been to hell and back, I hear the same kind of things.
00;36;45;05 - 00;37;04;09
Jeanne
What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. So but also it that's why I valued my health. And I, I think when I was younger I had to figure out how to get well, right? I had to. I remember when I started eating well and my family was like, Why are you eating all this weird food? Right? Real food.
00;37;04;11 - 00;37;26;29
Jeanne
And so eventually and I had doctors constantly getting things wrong and sending me to hospital and poking and prodding, and nobody could help me. So I think I also got to that place where I went. The only person that should be in control of my health is me, you know? And I think that really helps as well because it horrifies me.
00;37;27;06 - 00;37;54;11
Jeanne
And I hear it all the time from people who say, But the doctor said and I think, Oh no, you know, that they're one person with one particular strain of knowledge. They're doing their best. But your intuition and your ability to seek out a range of professionals and literally, you know, write down your symptoms and do all of these things is what you've got to do.
00;37;54;11 - 00;37;59;15
Jeanne
Because, yeah, it just, it, it horrifies me. Yeah.
00;37;59;17 - 00;38;19;29
Chris
Thanks for that story. That's that's really interesting. And I think it it will resonate with a lot of our listeners. I think adversity, this rough period growing up dying, you said you died. You nearly don't know what to.
00;38;20;02 - 00;38;44;01
Jeanne
Do, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Mom had to revive me with the ambulance on the phone. I was always at risk. Like I couldn't breathe very well. I was always suffocating. And my mom actually in in way was really good. She used to kind of stay really calm and make out like everything was really good, so there was no panic.
00;38;44;07 - 00;39;07;24
Jeanne
So if I couldn't breathe, I didn't know it was something to panic about, you know? And I when I saw other people with the same kind of asthma as I had panic, I wondered why they were panicking. And now, in retrospect, there's a good reason to panic when you can't breathe. And my mother would just pretend everything was fine and I was having needles daily sometimes.
00;39;07;24 - 00;39;20;04
Jeanne
I mean, back then the doctors were just trying to figure it out. I didn't know how much asthma mentally had because I was had to blow cotton balls down the whole way to therapy. So. Yeah. Oh.
00;39;20;06 - 00;39;44;11
Chris
So, so. So therefore, this literally was life and death stuff. You it was like, if I don't take care of myself, if I don't learn this lesson here, this I'm just putting words in your mouth. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but if I don't, the meaning I'm attaching to this is if no one if if I don't take care of me, no one else will.
00;39;44;13 - 00;40;06;23
Chris
I'm all alone here. But, uh, so to me, to me, I understand how you could get that. But then you've also got these. I don't. I don't come. First story as well that you were talking about what's I might have I might have missed that one. But how do you think that that came into it?
00;40;06;25 - 00;40;40;11
Jeanne
Yeah, I think because with all the adversity that I went through and just kind of realising that mentally, spiritually and physically, I realised that I needed to figure myself out and get myself right, that nobody was going to help. And so even when it came to my mental health, my confidence, all of these things, I decided no. I read the self-help book, self-help books, and I decided I am going to, like I say, confidence and everything doesn't fall out of the sky.
00;40;40;17 - 00;41;02;10
Jeanne
I decided I'm going to put in the work to build all these things. But, you know, Bonnie Brown talks about the I definitely think I am add up. And I was one of those. Nothing can penetrate me like there is nothing I can't do. There is nothing anyone can say to me. They can get a verbal machete out, as I call it, get the verbal machete out.
00;41;02;15 - 00;41;26;01
Jeanne
They can. I'm not someone who would go, someone said this or someone said that. I'm just like, I, you cannot penetrate. And so I guess I just I was so, so, so tough. But nobody had ever put me first. Right. And then it's a double edged sword when you get tough like that and you don't need anything or anyone, nobody offers to help anyway, right?
00;41;26;03 - 00;41;47;06
Jeanne
Someone said to me, Which bird in the nest gets to help the one that squawk? So that as well I don't squawk and I never did. Right. So nobody ever put me first. So it led. It led me to believe I had everything that I needed. And then what happened is I would say all these let's call it the baby birds around me squawking, right?
00;41;47;13 - 00;42;09;14
Jeanne
So the husband with the needs, the children with the needs the friends with the needs, that they were depressed, they were struggling, they were physically this. They would just didn't have enough time. I'm busy. I'm tired. Right. And I thought, I'm nothing. I'm like, I'm a rock. I've got it all going on. Nothing penetrates me. Therefore I need to help everyone else and I need nothing.
00;42;09;18 - 00;42;30;09
Jeanne
And of course that is completely false and untrue. Then you get to a point. So the post-natal depression. The psychologist actually said, like, I'd gone all my life to that point and then I had a child and the cup just bubbles over and then I'm just left thinking, why am I an anxious mess that needs to take Valium to function?
00;42;30;09 - 00;42;57;08
Jeanne
And all I want to do is clean windows instead of play with the twins. Right? And it's this something bubbles over. And so at the time, you would no matter what happened in my life, I didn't cry. So even when my sister passed, I only cried after the funeral when all the mourners were dealt with. And so my psychologist taught me through the post-natal depression, like none of this was good or healthy.
00;42;57;08 - 00;43;18;16
Jeanne
I thought it was good and healthy. You know what I mean? This is amazing. This is what I should be like. And she taught me to really, I guess, open up my brain for myself. And to this day and when I do cry, which is not incredibly frequently, she told me to celebrate. That is a massive achievement. So yeah.
00;43;18;19 - 00;43;25;17
Chris
That's interesting. So, okay, so fasting, fasting for fasting for fast forward.
00;43;25;20 - 00;43;27;13
Jeanne
Two.
00;43;27;16 - 00;44;01;25
Chris
To you, your burnout experience. What do you think were your key points? If you if someone else was to, to take your, your experience as a, a learning experience, what would you give advice or recommendation to do or to be or to have for Alice since you might be going through a similar sort of experience to you, what do you think works for you that that got you through your burnout experience, feeling the way you feel now?
00;44;01;25 - 00;44;30;06
Jeanne
Yeah, it's interesting that you say it. I think, number one, you can't avoid just shit like you can't bury things and think that things will just get that everything will be fine, but also just now. So these days, as the strategic bookkeeper. So I have, I hope, women and men, I have 90% women and 10% men. So all over the world and primarily they multitask mommas like me, dads as well.
00;44;30;06 - 00;45;01;01
Jeanne
And I'm actually observing them going through what I went through and I'm watching for what helps them as well. And so if I reflect on like myself, what I would tell others and I'm looking at them, I'm thinking about when I spoke training last week or the week before, I think definitely for me, when I went to my whiteboard and I wrote those three priorities, like I set the intention and I said me first and then my son, and then my empire building, because that's my purpose.
00;45;01;04 - 00;45;26;19
Jeanne
That was amazing. And then leading into that and then I think definitely that. But and I think we also what I've noticed with the people I'm serving in this beautiful new business that I'm running is the value of community as well. So and how that, you know, we all need people to support us. And I think so we call it the tribe.
00;45;26;23 - 00;45;51;19
Jeanne
And I think for me, I have dancing and I have, you know, when I wasn't out dancing earlier this year, I had people constantly reaching out to me, asking if I'm, okay, I just reached out to a friend a couple of days ago. I haven't seen you at dancing for ages. Is everything okay? I You okay? Right. So when you have a community that you're able to find and connect with like a tribe, I think that's important.
00;45;51;19 - 00;46;22;29
Jeanne
And I spoke to a lady the other day and she was in a place of fear and she was in a terrible, terrible place. And I told her, you know, she had one person being pretty horrible to her in business. And then she was really scared about the things and other people. And I told her to go and tell them all to f off because I had her back and the entire tribe had her back and I said all the things that we worked through that you've told me could possibly happen in this place of Thea.
00;46;22;29 - 00;46;42;03
Jeanne
Like people are in a toxic relationship and we don't leave because of all these fears around this and that. Like, how are we going to get through the fire? And I definitely have learnt lately the value of community. And you know, when I worked it through with her and said, I've got your back, the whole tribe has got your back, here's what we're going to do.
00;46;42;03 - 00;47;15;14
Jeanne
If any of this comes to life, you know, which it won't. She had that support and that network and that community in order to give her the mental support that she needed. You know. So I think definitely that I think valuing your health as well and listening to people who like Phili, when you said, you know, just I read this book and it really changed my life and I thought, well, if Filly said that, I better grab it.
00;47;15;14 - 00;47;52;16
Jeanne
And I'm like, Holy shit, like that has completely changed my life. So and I have become really good at listening to people and trusting my gut like it can be anyone. It can be a really cool old handyman that says something. And I think you know what you're talking about. And not only saying and then getting rid of the noise, you know, so finding people that you value and that your intuition says trust this person and really, really surrounding yourself with all these people that can guide you and help you as well as getting rid of the noise as well.
00;47;52;17 - 00;47;53;13
Jeanne
Yeah. Mm.
00;47;53;19 - 00;47;54;13
Chris
That's cool.
00;47;54;16 - 00;47;57;00
Filly
So don't bury crap shit.
00;47;57;01 - 00;48;01;24
Jeanne
Don't worry, don't write. That doesn't work. It concerns over.
00;48;01;26 - 00;48;10;14
Filly
Three highest intentions. What third one community find you find your tribe. I love it.
00;48;10;14 - 00;48;36;06
Jeanne
Yeah, I do. See I'm. Yeah, I'm seeing it a lot. And what we do is we say we share with open hearts and open minds. So I'm a massive Bernie Brown fan. I say Bernie takes me down and brings me back up again, often. That's the thing. Sometimes when we are working on our health mentally, spiritually and physically, we sometimes have to take a couple of steps back before we go forward.
00;48;36;06 - 00;48;55;25
Jeanne
I absolutely believe that the universe supports us and pushes us back onto the right path. I see it now more than ever, and I think I believe in all. I would consider myself a very spiritual person. And I believe and I see evidence for that now more than ever. Yeah.
00;48;55;27 - 00;49;17;01
Filly
I love it so good. Oh, thank you so much for sharing your story and your insights and your learnings. I know heaps of people are going to get so much out of this conversation and if anyone wants to find you. So whether they're looking for a strategic bookkeeper or paper and want to be mentoring coached by you, how can I can people find out more about.
00;49;17;05 - 00;49;40;15
Jeanne
Yeah, So look, my, my joke is Google me. So if you Google Jeannie Savage and my name, I'm sure Phil and Chris will drop in in the show notes. Otherwise you can find me at my bookkeeping practice, which is cloud nine strategic. If you Google. Yeah, Google my name, you'll find me as crazy and Filly vibe with me and you want to find out if I can help you with anything.
00;49;40;21 - 00;50;05;23
Jeanne
I will be launching the Healthy Book, which is just a passion project to support women, primarily to put themselves first and and really just empowering everyone around mental, spiritual, physical, health and and pairing up with people like you guys. Yeah. So I think just Google me and keep in touch with me. Connect with me. I love social media, I love Facebook.
00;50;05;23 - 00;50;07;19
Jeanne
Feel free to shoot me a message.
00;50;07;19 - 00;50;13;16
Filly
Yeah, I like seeing you Latin. You're Latin fighters. I always pop off in my feed.
00;50;13;19 - 00;50;14;09
Jeanne
Along with my I that.
00;50;14;09 - 00;50;18;09
Filly
I would enjoy Latin. Awesome. Well, thank you so much.
00;50;18;16 - 00;50;20;18
Chris
So good. Thanks, Gini.
00;50;20;21 - 00;50;35;29
Filly
Thank you. Thank you so much for listening. We so appreciate you. If you'd like to give us extra smiles, drop us a review and spread the love. By sharing this episode.
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Chris
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