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Speaker 1
Hello and welcome to the ending Body Burnout Show, where your hosts, Chris and Filly co-founders of multi award winning Functional Medicine Practice, serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Speaker 2
Well, busyness, overworking, addictive doing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Speaker 1
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root, root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements, hoping something might stick.
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Speaker 2
So get ready to heal your body, get your spot back deeply, connect with yourself and step into the light of your dreams. Let's dive in.
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Speaker 1
Good day Guys, Chris here from Chris in Filly. Super excited to have our good friend Jenny on the podcast today. She's going to talk to with me and we're going to go through some things that that mean a lot to her and hope you guys enjoy this conversation. And this is a taste test of a coaching session that we have with our clients and it's really interesting.
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Speaker 1
We've we've worked with Jenny in the past and currently and so this is kind of like a continuum and coaching coaching session that we're going to have today, which is going to be really cool. It'll show you a different dynamic and will highlight some some things that that Jenny really wants to have happen and call into her life and some things that maybe she wants to move away from.
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Speaker 1
And anyway, let's get into it. Thanks so much for coming in. Jenny will we'll get right into it in just a tick. All right. So what I would love to know is, well, first off, thanks so much for coming on. It's some that's.
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Speaker 3
Like.
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Speaker 1
It's going to be I'm I'm going to enjoy myself. I will see you. Enjoy yourself.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Cool. So my first question is, I just want to know, how can how can I best serve you? How can how can I help you out? What would you would you like help with the most?
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Speaker 3
Let's do like, all the time when I do. So it's like, I don't know, like, I'm not sure. Like what I should be working on. You know what I mean? Like, I'm. I don't know. I feel like there's this so many things. The other day we did, I did with Dave, like the stuff about brain fog, and that was interesting.
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Speaker 3
I was good and I felt like that was really helpful. I mean, one of my biggest things is I'm trying to think about like, you know, with, with habit and trying to like, break old habits and things with like emotional eating and like getting to eight or, oh, you like I feel like there's always things I know I should do to make myself better and healthier and be all this person that I want to be.
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Speaker 3
But then I don't end up getting this like don't do the things that I know it should do. Mhm.
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Speaker 1
What do you, what are you envisioning when you say that. What are you picturing in your mind. Like is there, is there a little movie running. Do you see something. What are you talking about specifically. You know, all the things.
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Speaker 3
Like, you know, having like, you know, a good morning routine, you know, like, I don't know. Does it sound like it's a big deal, but it's like, you know, getting up and taking the dog for a walk and you know, eating breakfast with the family. But in the mornings, I'm just like, like curl it, like crawling out of bed.
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Speaker 3
Go to, like, cry. Yeah. Mm. And then, you know, very Yeah. Just so tired and don't want to really do anything. It's like, you know, I don't know. I feel like a lot of the times it's stuff like I'll have moments of, oh, we're going to make this really good, healthy, nutritious food. And then other times, like, I'm so tired, I know we can't just shove them in my mouth like, Yeah, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3
My brain is like, I don't even know. It's probably not very healthy. I think the hardest thing is, yeah, I don't feel like I feel like I'm probably not. I'm not healthy. I don't feel well, but I don't know what the problem is or why I can't feel healthy. Oh, does that make sense?
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Speaker 1
Maybe if I said that I'd probably be thinking a few things and we're probably on the same track. But when you say you're not healthy, what are you? What specifically are you meaning by not healthy? What by what judgement are you classifying yourself as?
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Speaker 3
White, white, white and energy.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, right. What what have they got to? If I could like put ring that one out a little bit. Kind of like a extracting water from a stone maybe. What if you could just kind of dig into that a bit? What, what about your weight and your energy causes you to believe that you're not healthy?
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Speaker 3
I think probably. Well, the energy thing, I feel like from a belief that, you know, healthy people are always in the genetic which doesn't make sense. Well, you know, it's my brain that, like logically, everyone's tired sometimes. But I feel like in my head that, you know, healthy people bounce out of bed in the morning and, you know, are excited, you know, for the day.
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Speaker 3
Like, yeah, I can't wait to get out of bed where me and like, I would like to stay in bed other so my life and.
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Speaker 1
Rest of your life, well you'll get bedsores.
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Speaker 3
No matter what.
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Speaker 1
Your legs will go numb like.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, not so, Not typically, but not really. Not really. I mean, you know, it's like, where's your favourite place? My bed.
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Speaker 1
Right. Okay. Favourite place. No wonder you don't want to get out if it's your favourite place.
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Speaker 3
When I love my bed.
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Speaker 1
Man. But I would you, would you want help with that or because it sounds like you're asking me to take away your favourite toy. Like your favourite? Your favourite thing.
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Speaker 3
I feel like it's not a good place to want to stay. Mm hmm. Does that make sense? Maybe. I feel like it's. I don't know. I feel like that might be, you know, staying on to spend the day in bed sometimes is not healthy. No, not a positive thing.
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Speaker 1
Right. Okay, So what is. What's the if staying in bed for the rest of your life, You don't want that. But. But you kind of it. But it's. It's your favourite thing. What's what's a happy medium look like to you. What's a healthy medium like. You know, it's.
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Speaker 3
I think I want to do that because I feel tired and when you're in bed you're resting, right? So it would be if I didn't feel so tired, I wouldn't want to stay there.
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Speaker 1
Well, hang on. Can you. Can you just say that again?
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Speaker 3
If I didn't feel so tired, I wouldn't want to stay in bed.
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Speaker 1
Didn't feel so tired. So tired. I wouldn't want to.
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Speaker 3
So tired. Yes.
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Speaker 1
You wouldn't want to stay in bed all the time or so. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 3
I think I love getting like in this part, like talking about it. Sorry. I feel like the biggest thing for me is I don't like waking up feeling tired, and then I don't want to get up because it makes me feel like. Like it makes me feel like something's wrong with me. And if, you know, like, sometimes it'd be like, Oh my gosh, what's wrong with me and my, like, depressed that I don't want to get out of bed, but then it's like a no, not depressed, but it's like I'm, you know, I just am tired.
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Speaker 3
So it's, you know, not to say that, but if I have something I need to get up for, like today, then I can do it right. But I don't know. That makes sense.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. So. So when you want. Here we go. So. So when you want something, you'll maybe, like, force yourself to get out. You have a different belief. It's like showing up for.
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Speaker 3
And that external motivation to get me out where if I have to get out, I want to get out. Mm.
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Speaker 1
Right. So, so there's this, this theme of other people's expectations on you.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Motivate you to letting people down.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. Where if it's just for me, it's not like I really get out of it. Got, I'm going to go for a walk in them like this morning I said my husband and I talked about last night. I said I want to get up in the morning and do like the morning routine with you guys, you know, with it.
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Speaker 3
You know, my husband gets my son ready for school most days because in the mornings I don't want to get out of bed. Mm. So he's a champ. And I said, you know, I want to do this and have this morning routine and, you know, but I haven't had to give that a bit. Mm. And then when and then it was, I had my sister came to the door to drop something off and so I jumped out of bed to.
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Speaker 1
Um, so it's not that you don't want to ever get out of bed, it's that you don't want to get out of bed unless it, it's actually, it means something to you or probably and or somebody else.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Which therefore it means something to you because they mean something to you. Yeah. So therefore, it means something to you.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Mm. That's it. That's really interesting.
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Speaker 3
Okay.
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Speaker 1
What don't you think. Because it's not the.
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Speaker 3
It, it's.
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Speaker 1
You know, it's, it sounds like wouldn't you say that beds bed's nice and you like bed. Sounds like you've got a really nice relationship with your bed.
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Speaker 3
I think it's.
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Speaker 1
Maybe it's a safe place.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, I feel like that too. It's like I'm not like the expectations are low. You? No, like, I'm not this. There's not the at least not demands, you know, all on me in bed, mentally or physically or, you know.
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Speaker 1
You can, you can hide it. It's pretty cool. Well, this is really interesting. There's things are done twice, Jenny. Things are done twice. Once in your mind.
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Speaker 3
Mm.
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Speaker 1
At least twice. Once in your mind. And then in reality, once once you go through this, you've got these thoughts, you've got these ideas, and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. I betcha. I bet. Yeah. That, that unless something changes, nothing's going to change for you. Yeah.
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Speaker 3
No, I do. And I feel I'm like. I feel like I'm starting to look, I've had this like, you know, fatigue for years, but I never wake up rested. But then sometimes I do feel like I do wake up not as tired, but yeah, I'm so used to being tired. Then I'm like almost five in the morning. So I've, I'm perpetuating that in my head for.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Okay. So I personally, I had a little movie pop up in my head when, when you were saying those, those things out of the ocean and, and I used to say things like, I hate the ocean, I hate swimming, I hate the sea, I hate the sand, I hate the salt. And then I got to a point.
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Speaker 1
I was just aware of it.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
And and then I thought, oh, this is an opinion issue. This is and, and I don't know. And crack started to appear. It wasn't solid anymore. I thought, Oh, you know what? That's not always true. Yeah. And then my belief started to crumble and crack and started to fall down around me. And then fast forward to two years of making a decision to to change my mind.
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Speaker 1
I started tracking how many times I do get itchy when I go swimming, because that was a big thing for me getting itchy. I always get itchy. I oh, I've got bad skin. I've, I've got I hate that, you know, like really limiting negative words to myself and then became a self-fulfilling prophecy whenever I did get itchy. When that happened, I was like, See, I told you so just stop doing that and you won't get itchy.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Then I missed out on time and connection with my kids.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, well, then I feel like, Yeah, I feel like that's part of it because like, if I'll wake up and I feel like, rested, but then if I stay in bed, I will go back to sleep and then I'll get that like sleep inertia where it makes you tired because you haven't had a full sleep cycle and then say like William really tired.
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Speaker 3
But it's because I stayed in bed and went back to sleep. Well, 15 minutes and then woke up and and when I do stay in bed, it's like that. I have this really broken dozing off and on for like an hour and then getting up, which is not at all. I mean, of years of feeling this like fatigue.
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Speaker 3
I've always, you know, I've read all these books about sleep. I listen to podcasts about sleep and sleep hygiene. And so I try and, you know, have really good sleep hygiene, except that I have this let myself go back to sleep and doze in that in the morning. So then I'm really, you know, I'm real dozy and tired and I'm.
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Speaker 1
Well, I'm interested in when you do get out of bed when, when I changed my mind about the ocean, I, I started doing an experiment. I was like, Oh, let me just track this. Let me see how many times I do get itchy. And I actually started tracking it over the last couple of years, and it has been about maybe five times that I felt itchy and I go every single day and that's not true.
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Speaker 1
I go almost every single day and and fire about five times longer. Richie And I've I've written down why that might happen. And there's like, lots of seaweed in the ocean on those days. It's so funny. I'm like, Well, that might be it. And maybe seaweed. It's. Yeah, it's not. It's not. Chris, you have bad skin. It's Chris.
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Speaker 1
You get itchy skin when the bugs that are on the seaweed or when the seaweed itself rubs up against you and surprise, surprise, you get an irritation there. But. But cracks started to appear. I couldn't just make this blanket global statement. Yeah, you're always going to be itchy. This is always going to suck. Well, I could change things around.
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Speaker 1
So I'm interested in the cracks that are starting to appear in what you've said. At the end of the day, this is a some of the things that you've been saying are beliefs.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 1
You like you've written them down in in pencil in your belief book. Not permanent at all. No. My belief is. And so if I were to rub this out and create some new ones from these more limiting or beliefs that are kind of holding you back.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Things can be different.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, because I definitely. Yeah, I feel like the difference, even like I said, I've been like, I've done heaps of different things over the years to try and sleep better. And this last week I've been doing mouth typing because I know I breathe through my mouth, right? Anyway, and I've done it in the past and, and it annoyed me too much and I couldn't do it.
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Speaker 3
But then I tried this different way of doing it with this different kind of type and not like, you know, typing and the little bit in the middle. So it's not like you feel like you got to, you know, that sort of thing, but just a little bit of tech just in the middle and it actually gets the mouth closed.
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Speaker 3
But if I need to talk and talk a little bit, you know, and I've been able to do it every night and it doesn't interrupt my sleep and then it's like probably 637, I'm bringing my eyes open and I'm like, Oh, what's the time for? Then? I'm like, Well, I don't have to get out of bed, so I'm going to go back to sleep right?
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Speaker 3
I'll let go. That's where I'm going. Hang on, hang on. Are you really that time or you making yourself more tired? You know, like, is this one thing that's really making a difference with how you feel sometimes? I do know I do feel more exhausted and I'm lucky I get woken up by if I don't wake up independently, you know?
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Speaker 3
So I know. Then obviously I'm tired and I'm staying. It's staying. It's like, right, because I'm really tired. But more often than not, I'm waking up independently before they're even awake. And I feel like quite a lot like, oh, the like. But then I'm like, like I'm not allowed to get out of bed and I'm always tired. Something.
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Speaker 3
You bet. Mm. Yeah. And then I'm doing that sleeping thing. So then by the time I do get off of woken up and going back to sleep ten times in an hour or two. So I feel like rubbish.
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Speaker 1
Who makes you go back to sleep. What gives you the what gives you the right?
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Speaker 3
No one.
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Speaker 1
No. This. There is someone.
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Speaker 3
Like me on the bus. My buddy.
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Speaker 1
Hey, wait, wait. Sorry. You just went all distorted. Then what did you say just now?
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Speaker 3
I said on the bus of my own body. But then if I am the boss of my body, I can't get out of bed.
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Speaker 1
Oh, no, that doesn't make sense. Or does it? Does it? Or does it? Doesn't make sense. Does ends like you hit the nail on the head. How do you reckon? Oh, who's in charge of you?
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Speaker 3
Me?
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Speaker 1
Mm. I just. I just don't know if you care enough to get out of bed.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. So then that feels horrible because it's like, I don't care enough to spend time with my husband and son before the day. That's what that feels like. It makes me feel like a main person.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Hold onto that for a sec. Just don't. Don't let that one slip.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, that was horrible.
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Speaker 1
Keep feeling horrible. Stop suppressing it. Just hold it. Hold that. Just feel that. What's going on for you right now?
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Speaker 3
Oh, I'm just fucking going to cry. But I know that it's not that I was like, don't care about them enough. I guess it's more. Maybe it's that it's doing something that it's. I don't know. The first thing I thought was like, it's. It's doing something for me. Like, it's a way of getting something for myself, you know, putting myself first, but then it's not the way I look.
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Speaker 3
I don't want that to be the way I put myself first, because it doesn't make me feel good. But it's a way of kind of I feel I feel like it's a way of like if the words like, hard to get out of the room, I feel like the way to rest. I need to have something wrong with me like I only and worthy of the time to rest if it's because I can't physically do it, not just because I want to.
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Speaker 3
Does that make sense?
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Speaker 1
Sounds like a belief.
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Speaker 3
Doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 1
But it sounds like a belief. Sounds like you believe it's true, doesn't it?
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Speaker 3
Yeah. Well, and I do feel like the first thing I think of is because my dad was quite unwell growing up, like, very unwell and no one was sicker than Dad, you know? So if you didn't stay home from school or get a lot of sympathy when you were unwell, unless you were really sick, so you couldn't just, I just want to have a lazy day or I want to have like a mental health day or whatever, Like those things don't exist.
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Speaker 3
Like, you need to go to the hospital. Okay, then you're sick.
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Speaker 1
Mm.
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Speaker 3
You know, like, and I feel like sometimes I have this thing of, like, you know, always be productive and I've got to always be productive. And I can't just, like, sit and watch a TV show or something like that. I need to always be doing something else at the same time, whether it's like, you know, when I'd say I'm relaxing, I'd be like doing something like painting or drawing or whenever or working on my laptop or whatever while I'm relaxing, watching a TV show or listening to something or whatever.
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Speaker 1
Mhm.
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Speaker 3
So it's like that I, I've always got to be productive and if I'm not being productive, well then you've got to have a good reason which is you seek. Mhm. Mhm. Which is really messed up.
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Speaker 1
But it works for you.
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Speaker 3
It doesn't work for me.
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Speaker 1
Well. Well yeah. Maybe, maybe you don't want it to work for you anymore but, but yeah. Yeah. And it's definitely been working for you because you've been doing it. You're good at it. Yeah. You're good at running this pattern. Yeah. You could probably teach other people to run that pattern. You're expert in your life.
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Speaker 3
Gold Star expert?
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Expert witness page day.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Using language like you got to. You have to. You know, if you're not, then if you're not sick, you got to work. Always be doing. Push, push, push. Go, go, go. I'm a little bit sick, you know, in hospital. Don't care.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, That's fun.
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Speaker 1
This isn't. It's not tattooed or or or seared into you. It's just written in pencil. You can rub these beliefs out. Adjusts them. Yeah, but. But if you don't want to. It No. Going to do it.
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Speaker 3
Yes. I wouldn't do that. I don't like it. I definitely don't. I don't want my I mean not just for me, I don't want my kid to say that and think that that's going to be them too. Mm. Because I feel like I've learnt that from my dad and I don't want to I don't want to teach my child that either.
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Speaker 1
Mhm. That's it. We call that in a way from saying I don't want to X, y, z. What, what do you want. If that's what you don't want, you don't want to teach your child that. What do you want.
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Speaker 3
I want to show, I want to show him that it's okay to rest. It's okay to be productive. Mm. And we both are as important as each other. And there's no, there's no, like, moral weight on either of them. Mm. You know, there's no moral white, full rest or productivity. Does it make you good or bad. Mhm. Yeah.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. And I'd like to feel that myself as well. And I feel like I judge other people by that too. Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. This is your, this is your sacred text that you've been, you've been trying to apply in your, in your life. It's commandment always be productive, commandment always be doing something commandment if you're not sick and in hospital work if if, if you're if your in bed you're sick, you're not healthy. Yeah. Um, spiritual principle, belief, belief, principle.
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Speaker 1
Healthy people are always energetic principle. Yeah. Healthy people are always excited.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah. And so it's like not sure I know logic. It's like it's not true physiologically. Yeah, I know. It's what I think and feel.
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Speaker 1
Mhm. It's what you think and feel and so therefore it's working. It works for you. Yeah. It has worked for you but you're not the same Jenny that that showed up to this conversation a little while ago. You're a completely different person. You're, you're a completely different person day to day. Life's not a linear life. Thank goodness. Life's a spa.
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Speaker 1
Oh.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
So sometimes you going to feel like you're going backwards. Sometimes you feel like you're going down and maybe you are. But. But if life is a spiral, we can be spinning around going backwards, going down. Oh, now we're going up. Now we're going forwards. And then now I'm back and down. A spiralling out of control though. Are you spiralling in like a vicious cycle or are you in more of like a virtuous cycle, like going upwards and principal base and, and in, in a direction that has meaning and feels good to you.
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Speaker 3
You know, this doesn't happen.
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Speaker 1
MM. Okay. So, so is it silly to think that, that you've got some beliefs that, that when you, when you hear them back or when you say them back to yourself, there's some cracks starting to appear? Is it silly to think that?
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Speaker 3
No, definitely not. I see the cracks, that's for sure.
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Speaker 1
I see the cracks.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. I feel like I'm slowly seeing them starting over the last year or two. I reckon I feel like I've started to see them and it's like I've been doing lots of things for years to try and feel well and healthy, you know? Do these, you know, help heal your God and your adrenal fatigue and all these things?
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Speaker 3
And I'm like, they're not working.
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Speaker 1
And not working. They're not working.
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Speaker 3
But then it's like realistically, like, actually maybe they are. And I'm so used to I'm so used to being tired that I'm well, I'm stuck in that. Well, you're always tired. Mm. Which actually isn't true.
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Speaker 1
Yeah.
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Speaker 3
You should just see Lord.
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Speaker 1
But, but yeah. So you've got some beliefs here that, that I, my criticism is I call them wonky, they're just kind of like a little bit. Oh yeah. You know, not, not really resourceful, not really well defined. And um, these beliefs are they're self-fulfilling prophecies, and I yawn. Therefore, I must be tired. Oh, when I'm tired, I got to go to bed.
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Speaker 1
Look, when I'm in bed and I'm not tired, I must be lazy when I'm in bed and I'm not working. This has meaning to me now. I feel an emotion and it's all around guilt and shame. Oh, now I feel guilt and shame that I have guilt and shame. But now I've got guilt and shame that I have guilt and shame about my guilt and shame.
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Speaker 3
This.
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Speaker 1
And at best, at best, you've got this apathy. You you rise up above guilt and shame to a level of apathy. And that's kind of where you button your head up against energetically and emotionally. It's this this can't be bothered.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, that's it.
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Speaker 1
Right? What are you afraid of? That might happen if you.
