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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Buddy Burnout show. We are your host, Chris and Phile, co-founders of a multi winning functional medicine practice serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well, business, addictive doing, people pleasing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body, get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams.
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Chris
Let's dive in.
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Filly
Hello and welcome to the ending Buddy Burnout show. We are super excited to share this really lots of like, really great tips and tricks and gold nuggets inside this episode. So today we, Chris and I, interviewed the lovely Hailey Osborne. Now she is a mama of three kids under for running a business and she's not burnt out.
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Filly
She has experience kind of like the costs of it, but we wanted to have her on the show today to pick her brain around how the heck she isn't burnt out with doing and juggling all the things that she is juggling, including those three little kids under four years old? I said to her throughout the conversation. Or at the end of it, I'm like, far out.
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Filly
I wish we had had this conversation 13 years ago or so, almost 14 years ago, when I before I had my first baby, because things could have been a lot different for me. So anyway, get ready for lots of tips and tricks and yeah, that you can use in your life too. So a little bit about Haley. Haley Osborne is a entrepreneur, business strategist, and health brand expert.
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Filly
She is driven by a passion to empower Australian health businesses by demystifying and simplifying marketing, recognising health businesses as the backbone of a thriving community, society and ultimately our economy. She is dedicated to ensuring you harness the power of effective marketing strategies to propel your business forward. She has been seen on channel seven, heard on the radio, and featured in major publications.
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Filly
And she is juggling it all with three kiddos under four and a half. So today she is sharing with us her top tips for staying healthy while juggling motherhood and growing a company that works for her and keeps her thriving. And this is a great one for the end of the year. Before you start 2026, hopefully you'll be able to take at least one thing away.
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Filly
From what Hayley shares in terms of how she looks after herself, stays on track with her health and her overall life. All right, let's dive in.
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Chris
Welcome, everybody, to this episode of the Ending Body Burnout show. And I have a guest for you today. Welcome to the show, Hayley.
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Hayley
Hi, guys. And thank you so much for having me. Good to be here.
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Filly
Yay! We're very excited to talk to you. So, as you would have heard, me reading the amazing person that Hayley is based on her bio, you would have heard that she is a mum of three kids under four, which is cool and crazy. She's also a business strategist for health brand experts, and we wanted her to come on the show because I'm just curious, how the heck are you burnt out with having three kids under four and juggling a business?
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Hayley
Yeah, yeah. So I think, I, I don't think I would have I've ever experienced what I would call full body burnout, but maybe I have and maybe I just don't know that I have, but can I just say I absolutely know what it feels like to be tired? I know what it feels like to be really stretched, to run between, like being a good mum, being a great business owner and, you know, feeling my energy dip as well.
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Hayley
And I think of one of my biggest, strengths is being able to read early signs of what my body needs and to, like, listen to those little whispers of like, enough for today. And sometimes I get to the end of the day and I'm like, I'm not sure how I'm going to do this tomorrow, but what I think I'm great as at and I say this a lot, is compartmentalising my life, so I don't take certain things into other areas.
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Hayley
So I try and leave work in my office and leave the chaos in my family room, bedrooms or wherever. And I think to like, instead of just pushing through, I, I've been really, great at creating systems and processes around my life to be able to fit what this life looks like. And I had the business before.
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Hayley
I had children, so I think that helped a lot. And I think it also makes me, whether you, work or whether you have a business, I think to have both. It's made me a better mum because I've been able to, keep my identity, so to speak. And it's been really great in continuing to keep my mind active because, I mean, as I love my children and they've never been in childcare and I think this I'm not going to say I'm a champion and I can't do it all because I'll preface this.
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Hayley
Is that so? I've got three boys that are 16 months, three and a half and four, four and a half, and my mum lives next door. Okay, like Mike drove, I know that I don't, I don't handle that, but she is available. And then my mother in law has my children a day, a week. I've never been in childcare, and it was pretty hard.
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Hayley
My husband's very supportive, but we have built, like, much like you'd build systems and processes in your business. We've built that into our home. And so we've done that around all the things that happen in the house. So we have a cleaner. We have a lot more men. I'd love to outsource my washing, but I don't think that's going to happen ever.
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Hayley
With five people, we have, like, all of the things on Amazon reorder. They just arrive and I'm talking like nappies, baby wipes, glad rap. Like all of those annoying things that you need all the time. Toothpaste. And then we do an online woollies order and someone delivers it. So there's probably other things as well. But I have tried to life hack my life to create space, not necessarily to do more work, but to be able to sit down and just chill.
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Hayley
And I think having a supportive husband really helps. So that's, that's how I do it all. And the compartmentalising, I think, helps me to not be stressed. I have I don't like to call it a to do list, but I've got a segmented list that I look at every Sunday. And it is like, what do I want to achieve this week?
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Hayley
What can I let go of that doesn't serve me? What do my clients need for me this week? What do I want to do that's new? Who do I want to reach out to? Like? It's a bit of a holistic approach, but I go through it and I think that helps me to be like, yeah, I don't need to conquer the world.
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Hayley
I just need to go get some foot reflexology. Have a few early knots. And just I have always been such a clean freak. I'm not just surface level, like, inside the cupboards. Level two. And so everything has a place. And one thing that I've found so, so hard since having children and not babies. Like when they become more annoying, like two years old.
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Filly
They are about two.
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Hayley
Oh, yeah, they start to leave stuff lying around and you know all the things I've started to let go of the things that don't actually matter. So the toys do get packed up at the end of the night, but not like I would. I don't get crazy for any more. And those things like being able to let go has served me well.
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Hayley
That is a long answer.
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Filly
There's a lot in that. Yeah, which is great.
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Chris
And I see I really, really like that because there's, there's actually some really simple things that, that I think if we're being really honest, there's, there's going to be some of our clients who, who are burned out. They, they can't do that. And there's a block, there's a, there's a story behind. Why, why that's impossible for them or, you know, like to, what what did you say?
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Chris
Like the systems, the home systems. Right. The having having support this. I've had this conversation with, with a number of people, and there's sometimes there's a genuine reason why you can't have it yet now, but that doesn't mean you can't work towards it. And the spaciousness that you can have from personal experience as well. Like, no doubt you highly would agree the spaciousness, your ability to do the most important things when somebody is taking care of that not so important stuff, you know, and when you automate things as well, it really does create space inside of your family, doesn't it?
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Hayley
Yeah. And another thing like we I want to say we very healthy in our home. So we're not a takeaway family really. And we have the takeaway we have we have our homemade pizza nights. My husband makes, fresh sour dough loaf every week. He's gotten into the shop being the sourdough guy. And so we have homemade pizzas on a Friday.
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Hayley
That's kind of like our takeaway. But what we do do is we cook a bit and we often like, we've got this amazing vacuum sealer that we vacuum seal meals and things in. And so chat nights. Oh my God, the vacuum sealer is a game changer. And I never knew about that before I met my husband, but it is amazing.
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Hayley
Just that that's my little cheat is get yourself a vacuum, seal it because things seal and phrase so much better, and then you've just got like this beautiful fresh meal that you haven't done anything and you've just taken it out the freezer and you can dip it into hot water and defrost. If you've come home and you forgot to organise dinner.
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Filly
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Hayley
It's just straight away and, you know. Yeah, that's that's another little hack.
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Filly
That was oh.
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Chris
That's amazing.
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Filly
And I've never seen a vacuum seal up. I'm like, I've done that for clothes before that not food.
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Hayley
Oh yes. Very food it came from. So my husband's Italian and they do a pig every year and they vacuum seal sausages and all sorts of things. And so that was just extended on to like healthy vegetable curries and we did seal pizzas, lasagne, anything really.
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Filly
Yeah. That's cool.
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Filly
There is something you said earlier. You feel that you're good at picking up those early signs, like, what do those signs look like? And then how do you take action on it?
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Hayley
Yeah, those signs are like full body exhaustion. And they usually. Well, they've come when the kids, I'm putting the kids to sleep and it's like, I'm not sure how I can do this again tomorrow. I just don't think that I can. And that's a sign for me to just drop everything, go and have a shower and hop into bed and sleep because I'm very lucky.
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Hayley
My kids have all been very good sleep as well. We've trained them to be very good sleepers, but I have known in my heart of hearts that it's not going to last forever. And if I can just get through like the afternoon crazy or whatever it is, get them showered and in bed, and then I really just.
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Hayley
You just have to let everything go. There could be piles of washing. Just put it in the laundry and shut the door and take care of yourself. Because, you know, it's the same as doing work you could. So for me, if I don't do work at night, I know that in the morning I'm going to go for a run.
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Hayley
And what would take me commonly, if I'm tired 2 or 3 hours to do when I'm on fire, it takes me half an hour of my brain. So I've gotten really good at knowing, right? I know that if I get a really good night's sleep tonight, I can do the thing that I need to do in half an hour in the morning.
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Hayley
And then I sometimes negotiate with my husband to be like, okay, you get up with the kids, I'm going to get up at six, I'm going to do an hour's worth of work, I'm fresh, and then you can get ready and go about your day and I'll have the kids for the rest of the day. And that works so well for me.
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Hayley
But I know sleep is life, and I know you've said that as well, fully before. Like sleep is the pill that is magical and nothing else can replace that. And I drink a lot of water, so I do know that if I've got a huge wake, I need to keep myself more than hydrated. And that usually helps me to go through the motions a lot more clearer.
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Hayley
And no alcohol.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Hayley
That's cool. So as much as I love a nice drink of wine, I know that it doesn't serve me well.
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Filly
Yeah. So because I'm thinking about conversations I've had with clients when it's, it's all very good and well to say I'm going to look after myself. My body is speaking to me, I'm going to shut the door and I'm going to put myself to bed. It sounds like you do that in a really resourceful way, and you're not taking the mental, emotional baggage of then feeling guilty.
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Filly
Or.
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Filly
Frustrated that there's all this stuff out there. And I feel like it. There's something around when you were talking about compartmentalising parts of your life. So it's like when I'm the mum, I'm the mum, but then when I'm coming in to work on the business or to do a podcast with Chris in Philly, I'm the business owner, the entrepreneur, the share of wisdom.
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Filly
And I close the door because I know I've had a lot of conversations, especially with mums who might have businesses or who work where there's this constant.
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Filly
Pull to go.
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Filly
And do the thing that they're not actually doing. So it could be mother guilt. It could be like, oh, I feel so bad. I should be out there with the children or the self-care thing that you said when it's like, nope, I'll just shut the door and I'm going to go and put myself to bed. I've noticed that there's a pattern with some people where they might do the thing, but their brain is still like, no, no, no, no, no.
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Filly
I've got all this other stuff that I have to do in, like, I'm just being. It might be I'm being lazy or selfish or that stuff over there is more important than me sleeping. Like, I'm curious if there's anything that you've done. Oh, my first question would be, does do those thoughts even coming to your mind? And also, I know if they don't have you done work around that or you've kind of just found that you do that naturally.
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Hayley
You know, I think that my therapy, for example, is movement. I honestly, I've been pretty fit and active since I can remember, since I was like ten years old. And so sport and I played like elite netball. And I think that that has had a big impact on my mental strength and just being part of a team and everything.
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Hayley
And I think that's sort of taken me into motherhood and I don't feel guilty at all. And that's.
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Filly
Terrible. Maybe.
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Hayley
But I know that when I'm with my children, I'm 100% with my kids. So that's why I don't feel guilty if I'm in the office and I can hear chaos. Like last night I had a light meeting because I couldn't have it in the day because I had my baby. And so the meeting was 530 and my husband was doing that witching hour crazy.
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Hayley
And I could hear them going crazy. And I'd done my time for the day like I'd been with the kids and they have everything they need. I organise the food and I, I'm okay with that. But I know that if I wasn't, I probably would feel guilty. So one of the things that keeps me from not feeling the guilt and I feel poor all the time, but I think that I, I'm a really present mum.
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Hayley
And one thing that's helped me is I don't have any notifications on my phone. So the only thing that comes through a calls and text messages and WhatsApp messages, so there's no social things that pop up there off. I don't have emails on my phone and I deleted that about two, three and a half years ago. I think so, and I haven't needed them.
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Hayley
Turns out like if something's urgent, someone will call. So the emails, I was just having glitches with my Microsoft at the time, and I was like, okay, I think I just need to delete everything, log out, delete, blah, blah, blah, and then turn back on. And I just like after a week, this is actually really good. I don't think I'm going to turn it back on.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Hayley
And so I didn't. And so I don't have that urge to check anything and everything that happens on social media. Like it can wait. And I think because that's what I do for a job like I am, you know, a brand expert and I mean marketing it, I've kind of become very routine driven around how I approach marketing my business on my social media.
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Hayley
Like, it can wait till the end of the day to for people to respond. Now, if it's timely, like, I'll always check in in the morning. So, for example, you're on my podcast and I knew that that was coming out in the morning. And so I went in and checked that everything was okay. I did what I needed to do, and then that was it.
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Hayley
And so that's kind of how I approach it. But the taking the emails off my phone was an absolute game changer for being a present mum. And not feeling like there was things going on behind the scenes. It took a little while to feel okay with what if. What if there's an email that's waiting for me and I think I've done a lot of learning, not not through any means, but my own.
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Hayley
So I've listened to lots of podcasts. I read a lot of books, mostly audio books these days. Otherwise I just fall asleep at night. I have upskilled myself enough to be okay with that. If that helps.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So it wasn't just, it just so happen. You've actually worked a lot over time.
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Hayley
Yeah, but I think if you can add little things in little pillars to just be more present or take things away, you're not going to be controlled by something else. You're in control of the situation. Now, don't get me wrong. Like, they do say like, men love playing with the kids more than women. Like, you know, my husband wrestles the kids and, like, loves playing with them and all of that sort of stuff.
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Hayley
But I it takes a lot for me to, like, I create lots of play activities, but for me to be engaged, I could easily just be on my phone. But I try not to be because it kind of the phone kind of becomes annoying after a while, so just sort of put it in a corner or try and forget where I've put it.
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Hayley
If I know I need to be present with the kids. That stopped a load of mum guilt for the really little for so long too.
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Filly
So yeah, they grow quickly. We had, would have been quite a few.
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Filly
Years ago.
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Filly
Doctor. Christie, she wrote a book called Digital. There was it was interesting. It was all based on, a lot of research around tech cafes. That one was at a site and at of mine say, if you're firing is in visual, sight. Your brain wants to look at it, it wants to use it. So if you can hide it, whether it's someone.
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Filly
Else hides it for you.
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Filly
Or you have a little box that you put it into, or you just put it in a different room, like she actually talked about. Yeah. From in terms of studies, the brain then isn't addicted to it. It's kind of like it's not then searching or wanting to pick it off. And so therefore you can be more present.
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Hayley
Yeah. And same with my laptop. Like I use a laptop that plugs into my big screen. And I have all my tech here. But the office door needs to stay shut. I've got a stand up desk because there's little hands that can touch things that they don't need to be touching, and so the office door needs to be shut.
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Hayley
And when it's shut, I'm not really concerned with what's happening in here. The desk could be a complete mess, but I try and operate like a paperless, as paperless as possible, just for my own. Like, calmness. And, yeah, the door stays shut, so I don't take things into the areas that don't need to be taken to.
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Hayley
Does that make sense?
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Filly
Yeah.
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Hayley
Yeah, I blame myself probably.
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Filly
Yeah. Most part of the compartmentalising that you mentioned.
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Hayley
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Filly
In terms of from an environment perspective as well, so working with health brands, so I imagine, yeah, in the health space saying a lot of stuff. What burnout patterns are you noticing in the health space?
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Hayley
Yeah, I think that because health professionals hold a lot of emotion for others all day long, they're, like mentally, emotionally and physically. Tired by the end of the day. And what I say is they don't have time to work on their own marketing because they've given them the they all to their clients all day. And that's where I come in, is they're responsible for everyone else's well-being except for their own.
00:22:56:21 - 00:23:17:17
Hayley
And I guess it's my job to teach them smart systems and processes when it comes to growing their business, where they don't have the client overload and it can be growing in the background without them stressing, and then they can fill their own cup up at the end of the day. So I see a lot of like the compassion fatigue.
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Hayley
I work, I work with a lot of health brands and I, I didn't always focus on this industry. But again, like we said, before we pressed record, you kind of need to see the signs of what's happening in your world. And I'm probably good at recognising them. And I was just working with so many health professionals, but I didn't realise at the time.
00:23:39:04 - 00:24:00:13
Hayley
And someone said to me, why don't you just focus on health brands? That was three years ago. And I was like, no, because then what about everyone else? Like, I look after everyone. And so and it just kept happening and happening and happening. And yeah, so now I have full on laser vision focus and it's been the best thing that I've ever done.
00:24:00:13 - 00:24:24:12
Hayley
But I do know that a lot of help health professionals feel like they're always on. And again, I think, personally, I can help with that with that feeling and trying not to, trying to come up with ways like I've just mentioned before, to deal with that, to be able to not feel like they're always on because they lack boundaries around access.
00:24:24:14 - 00:24:38:23
Hayley
Putting clients first. And that's important, but not before you solve. Otherwise you can't you can't pull from an empty cup. It's impossible. And I think that kind of invisible labour like that, service, it just drains a lot of energy.
00:24:38:23 - 00:24:39:23
Filly
So,
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Hayley
That's what I've. What I see a lot of.
00:24:42:16 - 00:24:46:01
Filly
Yeah. Yep. I see a lot of it.
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Hayley
To your.
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Filly
Question. Yeah. Yeah.
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Chris
I like that phrase compassion fatigue. That was pretty cool.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Hayley
Because that's what it is, right? When you're in the space of helping others, you know, you are helping the community to feel better. You are what you are needing to be compassionate. And at the end of the day, it's really draining. And I've I've had a lot of clients come to me and say, like, I don't like I want to fill my appointment books, but there's got to be a better way.
00:25:15:01 - 00:25:38:23
Hayley
Yeah. And so we've gone through those motions of looking at what that looks like. And it's I love it. It's so great because, yeah, a lot of health businesses are so focussed on filling their appointment books that they aren't even building that database, because I don't know how and I don't know the measures to put around doing that.
00:25:39:01 - 00:25:48:12
Hayley
And, you know, that's just the foundation of the start of building something that you're not always on for.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Chris
Amazing.
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Filly
Yeah. In the past I remember I practised the traditional model in terms of like paper consult have as many clients as possible, but it's draining like it's draining. Because for many reasons. One, there's not no time to work on the business. Yeah.
00:26:14:05 - 00:26:19:14
Hayley
And when you get to the end of the day, you don't want to do that. You just want to go home and sleep or maybe family.
00:26:19:14 - 00:26:22:15
Filly
Yeah, yeah.
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Filly
How old's your little one? Youngest.
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Hayley
Hey. Good question.
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Filly
He.
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Hayley
He's 16 months.
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Filly
15 months. Yes.
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Filly
I'm just I'm curious because if there's listeners who are listening who might be in the, the baby zone of their life, did you do anything specific postpartum, like just to help or during pregnancy or before pregnancy to help your body? I don't want to use the word bounce back because we never we never go backwards. We are always evolving.
00:27:00:01 - 00:27:10:06
Filly
But just to support your body through the transition of pregnancy and then breastfeeding if you breastfed and yeah, potential sleepless nights and all that sort of stuff.
00:27:10:08 - 00:27:10:16
Filly
Yeah.
00:27:10:16 - 00:27:25:04
Hayley
I breastfed all of my my three children for 12 months. H which I'm so proud of, I don't well, I know how I did it, I drank a lot of water. And my mum always said to me, you'll be such a great cow, just like, you know.
00:27:25:04 - 00:27:29:07
Filly
Give it a go. I can't help you. Yeah. I was like,
00:27:29:09 - 00:28:01:16
Hayley
That's what I felt like by the end of it. And so my youngest, so he's. I haven't been breastfeeding now for four months, so it's not that long ago that I stopped breastfeeding. And what did I do? So I know that I, saw. So my obstetrician, I had a really post, natal care plan, and that involved, like, I didn't do anything for I didn't do, I did walking.
00:28:01:18 - 00:28:21:13
Hayley
But that was it for probably ten weeks. Like, I took it really easy on myself. I probably, I don't think I left the house for four weeks after having each of my babies. And I know in the Indian culture, that's what they do. And there's just like that time around healing and nurturing and really looking after yourself.
00:28:21:13 - 00:28:48:13
Hayley
I invested in some really good teas for mums and, you know, the the breastfeeding cookies. I don't know if they helped or not, but I really nourish myself with amazing food in that four weeks after giving birth and then I'd listen to my body. I didn't push myself at all. And then when I started exercising again, after I got the all clear from the obstetrician, it wasn't anything like strenuous at all.
00:28:48:13 - 00:29:00:16
Hayley
It was all of those small little exercises that are, because I had this is I don't know if this is oversharing or not a vaginal birth. So I didn't have caesareans.
00:29:00:16 - 00:29:03:08
Filly
We talk about old body parts in this podcast. Yeah.
00:29:03:09 - 00:29:05:05
Filly
So I had I had.
00:29:05:05 - 00:29:26:23
Hayley
Three like natural births, but I did have I epidural. I'm forgetting all these words now. And it wasn't even that long ago. Elected epidural for two and not for the first one, because I didn't know what I was in for, and I ended up having three epidurals. But yeah, all natural births and like, my body even, like, it's not what it used to be.
00:29:27:01 - 00:29:52:00
Hayley
And I've accepted that I'm okay with that. I feel like probably fitter and stronger than ever before, even before I had babies. But I think I look at them and I think about me and I'm just like, I created you. I grew you. I'm a machine. And if I can do that, I can do anything. And so, yeah, it was about being really kind and taking things slow.
00:29:52:00 - 00:30:17:18
Hayley
And it wasn't until probably when my son, my baby was 13 months old that I went back to the gym. So I was very, very kind. And then in terms of balancing the work versus sleep versus caring for the baby, now I think it's harder to care for a toddler than it is a baby. So, because they sleep a lot.
00:30:17:20 - 00:30:44:10
Hayley
So as long as my two oldest were cared for in terms of that sleep versus breastfeeding awake negotiation, I would breastfeed at my desk. And I've got a really good chair with arms on it, and a feeding pillow. And I would just type away. Nothing serious, just emails, or, you know, whatever I felt like I could do, and he would just be on my boob and then switch sides.
00:30:44:10 - 00:31:15:07
Hayley
And then when that was done, we just get up and do the change and then hang out for a bit, and then he'd fall back asleep. So if I was able to without my other two children, that was two days a week. I would breastfeed at my desk. And then that takes ages because I would just feel a little bit like, I can't just I couldn't just sit down and fade into the walls because once you get into a rhythm, it's it's actually very relaxing to breastfeed.
00:31:15:07 - 00:31:23:20
Hayley
And I would just like sit here and work away. And I think I built a lovely space for myself to be able to do that.
00:31:23:22 - 00:31:24:18
Filly
Yeah.
00:31:24:20 - 00:31:50:17
Hayley
So that's kind of how I did it. And then anything that could be left to the next day and I think that I would do that. But I also had very supportive clients. Now, if there's anyone that's going into their first pregnancy and they're running a business and they don't know how it's going to go, no one is going to buy you from being a client because you're pregnant, which I thought was going to happen to me.
00:31:50:19 - 00:32:15:14
Hayley
But it turns out that if you are a good person and you have always supported your clients in a way that they trust you already, baby or no baby, I think they're going to like pre, you know, pre-birth, post-birth people support you through the seasons regardless. And I planned like crazy before having before giving birth to each of them.
00:32:15:14 - 00:32:38:18
Hayley
And I think the biggest thing was the podcast to be honest. And so I had batched like 8 to 10 weeks of podcast episodes. So I knew that they just sort of rolled out and I wasn't too harsh on myself. And that was all before I gave birth. Yeah. So I knew that I had like 12 weeks really up my sleeve to just chill out, which was super helpful.
00:32:38:20 - 00:32:43:04
Filly
I wish I had this conversation 13 years ago.
00:32:43:06 - 00:32:43:13
Filly
Because.
00:32:43:13 - 00:32:48:20
Filly
Everything, everything that you're saying, I did the opposite. Say, listen, this.
00:32:48:22 - 00:32:50:23
Filly
Don't do what I did.
00:32:51:00 - 00:33:12:03
Hayley
And it was hard. Like I would say to my husband, because I was recording my podcast at the time in my wardrobe, because I did have a fancy microphone, but I just thought I needed to be better. I don't know what it was. And so I would be sitting on the floor in my wardrobe like seven months pregnant.
00:33:12:05 - 00:33:32:10
Hayley
Amazing. Just so uncomfortable. I didn't do with the bed because that was just ridiculous. But with the second, I definitely remember pre-planning the podcast and sitting on the floor and being like, I'm not sure I can do any oh, navigate through. I'm being so out of breath. Yeah, I thought I could do it all through with the first.
00:33:32:10 - 00:33:57:23
Hayley
I remember being pregnant. I was nine months pregnant. I would have I gave birth a week later, and I stood on stage in front of 300 women to talk about business. I had all my notes. I had my slides. I was nervous already, but I never accounted for the fact that I would be completely out of breath because there was no more room left in my body for my lungs to grow and expand and become.
00:33:58:01 - 00:34:09:08
Hayley
And so I stood up there and I was like, I can't do this with my notes. I can't have the deck that I promised you. If you want to see my notes, you have to email me.
00:34:09:10 - 00:34:09:22
Filly
And I just.
00:34:10:03 - 00:34:29:18
Hayley
Riffed and went through like, I know my stuff back to front. So I felt confident in that way. But I couldn't read it. I couldn't check my notes. It was just too much for my brain. And that's what I did. So I always trust your gut and I've always backed myself, so it's helped a lot. But yeah.
00:34:29:18 - 00:34:33:09
Hayley
So each pregnancy got hotter and hotter because it's.
00:34:33:11 - 00:34:33:14
Chris
Up.
00:34:33:18 - 00:34:34:16
Hayley
And down and bodies.
00:34:34:16 - 00:34:35:08
Chris
Are cool.
00:34:35:11 - 00:34:42:12
Filly
Plenty of women are out. Yeah, it blows my mind. Look at those. Blows my mind.
00:34:42:14 - 00:34:45:18
Hayley
Yeah I look at the kids, I'm like, where did you all come from?
00:34:45:19 - 00:34:47:05
Chris
How did you fit?
00:34:47:07 - 00:34:48:17
Filly
How did you get here?
00:34:48:18 - 00:35:03:10
Hayley
Yeah. How are you so big now? Yeah. How do I do that? I don't even remember that time. Like, maybe I was just in a time warp, like, just running through the motions. But, yeah, I'll never forget those 1130 wake ups to breastfeed.
00:35:03:12 - 00:35:07:02
Filly
Hey, there's killer.
00:35:07:04 - 00:35:12:16
Chris
We did for our first one. We had, she had colic, and, she was crying.
00:35:12:21 - 00:35:13:06
Filly
All.
00:35:13:06 - 00:35:13:14
Filly
The time.
00:35:13:14 - 00:35:22:15
Chris
We did a bit of a tag team. We. I've got some funny photos of fillies underneath a blanket with with a baby attached to a boob. Like.
00:35:22:15 - 00:35:25:00
Filly
Oh, it's just like water at night time.
00:35:25:00 - 00:35:33:15
Chris
I'm just walked out in the middle of the night just to check, you know, just snap the photo and it's like a it's 12, 12, 13 years ago kind of granny fart eyes.
00:35:33:15 - 00:35:35:03
Filly
Yeah.
00:35:35:05 - 00:35:44:13
Chris
And it's fillies under a blanket and all you can see is a boob coming out of the bottom of the blanket, and, and a baby attached to it, and, and. Yeah, they're the memories.
00:35:44:15 - 00:35:57:08
Filly
They're the memories. I do. I do remember walking around there like I'm breastfeeding. Someone knocks on the door and I'm like, all right, well, let's just carry the baby while I'm breastfeeding. I'll chop up some veggies, so I'll have to.
00:35:57:08 - 00:36:00:07
Filly
I get to go and push.
00:36:00:07 - 00:36:03:22
Hayley
I'll be in the playground and I'll be pushing a swing, and there'll be a baby on the boob.
00:36:03:22 - 00:36:05:13
Filly
And this is just.
00:36:05:15 - 00:36:27:13
Hayley
And there'll be one running around somewhere else. And like, I don't know how other women do it. But we do, and I did, and I still do. Like, now my little guy is, you know, he wants to be he's on the move, but he's not. He's not really that stable like he's walking, but he's he's waddling everywhere.
00:36:27:13 - 00:36:50:01
Hayley
And that little nap, he's like amazing. And so he wants to do what the other two are doing. But he can't. He thinks he's like he's he's like the worrier because the poor little guy just gets knocked from pillar to post because, you know, they can push him around because they're bigger. So it's it's interesting. And, you know, as, I have to do my utmost.
00:36:50:01 - 00:37:15:07
Hayley
It takes every fibre in my body not to, like, yell and scream and, like, run my nervous system into the ground like little boy, little girls. I think, I've got, nieces and I think they're active is a little bit more mischievous. And they, you know, do might hide behind the couch and do something mischievous little boys, like Superman.
00:37:15:08 - 00:37:37:09
Hayley
They just jump off the couch. They, like, jump on the couch. They throw pillows everywhere. They are not afraid to, like, run their cars where they shouldn't. And so, you know, in order for them not to kill themselves, the only thing that you need, like screaming, is the thing, right? But then that has all sorts of effects on my nervous system.
00:37:37:09 - 00:38:09:00
Hayley
And I know, like my regulation needs to be calm because then I take forever to recover from getting upset with someone. So that's something of light too, that I've really had to listen to my body. And I've got lots of advice from like family and friends around. Like take three deep breaths before you're going to go crazy. Your kids do that, but you can't do that because by the time you've taken three deep breaths that they're done and that whatever's you could say I'm folding has unfolded.
00:38:09:02 - 00:38:10:23
Hayley
And so for me, it's about doing it.
00:38:10:23 - 00:38:12:15
Filly
After,
00:38:12:16 - 00:38:31:20
Hayley
So that I don't take that energy into the next fight or whatever or the next crazy thing might be. But one thing that I've learned, especially with little boys and even like little kids, is that we get out first thing in the morning. So if they're with me, we are out the door as soon as we can, and then they get their brains out.
00:38:31:22 - 00:38:51:07
Hayley
There's so much nicer. We usually take lunch or snacks and lunch is always early. It's about 1130, either on the go or home. And then for the afternoon when we come home, they're super chilled. Sorry, that has helped me a lot. And I remember someone telling me that a few years ago, and it's been the best thing that I've done.
00:38:51:07 - 00:39:09:04
Hayley
Otherwise they just go a little bit crazy and we do to. Like if you've stayed home all day and you're on your on your computer, you know that you're a little bit like, I just need to like, move or get my brains out to regulate my body. And so I think kids are very much the same. So I've learnt to read the signs.
00:39:09:05 - 00:39:13:11
Filly
Well, yeah. So cool.
00:39:13:13 - 00:39:30:02
Filly
Sorry. I mean, you've given so many tips and gold nuggets around how to juggle it all without burning out. If someone's listening and they are feeling very burnt out, what would be like an easy first step to start with?
00:39:30:02 - 00:39:57:22
Hayley
Yeah, 100% change your diet. So I've recently done a four week gut health detox. Not because I had a issue with my gut, but because I knew that I needed to draw a line in the sand and also I did it because after the third baby, you know, the first one, it was like, you know, maybe 6 to 8 weeks later, my clothes kind of fit again.
00:39:57:22 - 00:40:20:15
Hayley
I didn't have to work too hard for it. The second my second baby, it was kind of nine months growing him and nine months to fit back into my clothes. And then the third baby. And I've never been too hard on myself. But then after baby number three, even after 12 months, I still I wasn't, you know, on any kind of diet at all.
00:40:20:15 - 00:40:39:22
Hayley
And I didn't care. I was moving my body, but I still couldn't fit into my clothes after 12 months and then more recently, it's now 15 months. And I thought, enough is enough. Like, I just want to fit back into my jeans. Yeah. So I did a full gut health reset and I was having, like, lattes and, you know, dairy.
00:40:39:22 - 00:41:02:04
Hayley
And I'd have I'd have three a day with full grain milk and, you know, not that that's bad, but I knew that this dairy didn't agree with me. It just made me feel like bloated and gross. And I love I have a massive sweet tooth. And I knew in my heart of hearts that that's also not good for me and also for regulating and dealing with little boys.
00:41:02:04 - 00:41:17:10
Hayley
And like, I just need a complete reset. And so I did. It's not not about the weight, but I fit into all of my wardrobe again. I feel fitter and, more clearer than ever. And where am I going with this?
00:41:17:12 - 00:41:21:06
Filly
Definitely changed my diet reset.
00:41:21:08 - 00:41:42:12
Hayley
Yeah. Of how clean foods is the way to go. And I know that it's easier said than done. I had a headache for two days when I started doing it, but then I just felt amazing and it was 100% worth it more than anything I've done. And I did it for four weeks and now that I'm finished, I'm having two coffees a day.
00:41:42:14 - 00:42:12:04
Hayley
No alcohol, still no sugar, but black coffee. I know what snacks I need to, keep myself full. I know now, like, portion control that I don't over eight and feel not that I, I, I don't think I mean, overeating is bad, but I'm not saying like, you know, I don't eat, but I think that the way that overeating makes you feel is not good.
00:42:12:06 - 00:42:35:20
Hayley
And so go on the feeling of having the right portions, but to be able to understand that, I think having help with what I did, it really helped me. And I followed a nutritionists plan. And I've. Yeah. Not looked back. And I feel like I'm more regulated and calmer as a mum. As a businesswoman, I know.
00:42:35:22 - 00:42:39:15
Hayley
Yeah, I just, I just have it was a reset that I needed.
00:42:39:17 - 00:42:44:01
Filly
Yeah, that's awesome. Wow. Thank you so much.
00:42:44:02 - 00:42:45:21
Filly
Right. Hahaha.
00:42:45:22 - 00:42:48:07
Hayley
You just can't do it all by yourself though, right?
00:42:48:07 - 00:42:49:01
Filly
Yeah.
00:42:49:03 - 00:42:49:23
Filly
Yeah. Everyone needs.
00:42:50:04 - 00:42:51:00
Hayley
Help.
00:42:51:02 - 00:42:56:07
Filly
Takes a village to support a human, not just raise a child.
00:42:56:08 - 00:43:08:19
Hayley
Yeah, and I have an assistant, like, let's just pray face to face. I have a VA. Yeah, I'm VA, so she helps me a lot too. So, yes. You know, don't be afraid to ask for help. No one gets a price for being a martyr.
00:43:08:21 - 00:43:10:15
Filly
00:43:10:17 - 00:43:37:20
Chris
I also think a lot of people will hear your awesome tips and, and and they don't have close proximity of a mom and a, and a mother in law and an assistant and that they're doing it by themselves, but they expect the same results and they expect the same support. They expect the same, you know, outcome. And I think there's a lot to be said for, hey, maybe that'll come, but just for right now, that's not on the cards for you right now.
00:43:37:20 - 00:43:49:16
Chris
So maybe just turn down the expectations a little bit and then start making the steps towards that sort of thing. I think that a lot of people could do with bit of that too. Hey.
00:43:49:18 - 00:44:16:22
Hayley
Yeah. And honestly, time goes so fast. So I when I was deep in it, I had three children. Nobody was a kid. Your school. And I looked back at that first six months because after when my little guy was six months, my eldest started kindy. But those first six months I was like, wow, we just did what we could, even though we had help, like it was a lot.
00:44:17:00 - 00:44:20:14
Hayley
But then like the the foggy, the air.
00:44:20:15 - 00:44:21:11
Filly
Lifts.
00:44:21:11 - 00:44:47:07
Hayley
And you think, wow, that time flew by so fast that, now he's at kindy and what did I do before? But I think you can have it all. You just can't have it at the same time, you've got to be really kind to yourself. So just build out a five year plan and look at, you know, deeply what you want, but not all at the same time.
00:44:47:07 - 00:45:14:08
Hayley
And that's okay. Like, I think there's a lot of bravery marketing out there or bravery just push where you know, you can't do it all. You can't do it all. And also like women need to be mindful of their cycles. And yeah, you know, every week of the month you feel different. And you have to understand that lean in when you've got more energy and lean out when you don't.
00:45:14:10 - 00:45:14:19
Filly
Yeah I.
00:45:15:01 - 00:45:25:09
Filly
Love that. Yeah. So you actually do you have something that could help with that. The five steps to boost your energy focus and momentum. Where can people find that. Is that a download.
00:45:25:09 - 00:45:33:00
Hayley
Or you can go over to my website I Lee osborne.com and it is there on the home page ready for you.
00:45:33:04 - 00:45:51:16
Filly
Awesome. So good. And if anyone wants to reach out to you, I guess especially if there's, like a health expert that have businesses that might be listening. We do have a lot of people that listen to the podcast, find you on your website. Yeah.
00:45:51:16 - 00:46:18:06
Hayley
So for me, Hayley. Yeah, you can find me at Hayley Osborne eCommerce, HIPAA, Lee and or SBA or R and a know you.com or over on Instagram it's Hayley K Osborne there I am thank you. I then Facebook and LinkedIn to. So I'm always in the DMs. I'm very friendly. There's no automations in there at all.
00:46:18:06 - 00:46:23:20
Hayley
So it's always me having a chat with you. Yeah. Yeah. I would love to hear from you.
00:46:23:21 - 00:46:24:18
Filly
Awesome.
00:46:24:19 - 00:46:27:01
Filly
Thank you so much.
00:46:27:03 - 00:46:28:14
Hayley
Great. Thanks for having me, guys.
00:46:28:14 - 00:46:37:05
Chris
No worries. Stick around. We'll say goodbye formally. But thanks, everybody for tuning in.
00:46:37:07 - 00:46:47:09
Filly
Thank you so much for listening. We so appreciate you. If you'd like to give us extra smiles, drop us a review and spread the love by sharing this episode.
00:46:47:11 - 00:47:13:09
Chris
You can also write your own state of burnout and the root cause contributors by taking our Ending Body Burnout assessment on our website. And if you're interested in learning about that group or one on one ending buddy burnout programs, shoot us a DM via Instagram or Facebook. Have the best day ever.
00:47:13:11 - 00:47:13:23
Chris
For.
