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Filly
Hello? It's Filly here. Just a quick announcement before we jump into today's episode. Natural Medicine Week, hosted by a Australian traditional medicine society, is coming up on the 22nd to the 28th of May. I'm a proud ambassador for Natural Medicine Week, which showcases all the many ways natural medicine can restore the body and mind with live online events run by qualified practitioners across Australia.
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Filly
You can check out the link in the show notes to find your way to Natural Medicine Week as part of the event. I'll be holding a special free root cause of emotional eating masterclass, which you can sign up for via the Natural Medicine Week website. During the Masterclass, I'll be digging into emotional eating, food addictions, sugar cravings and the hidden imbalance is in the body that caused this behaviour, as well as the metaphysical imbalances that are at the deepest root cause of emotional eating.
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Filly
Hope you can make it okay. Unto today’s Episode.
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Chris
Hello and welcome to the ending Body Burn Out Show, where your hosts Chris and Filly co-founders of Multi-award-winning Functional Medicine Practice, serving busy people with energy, mood and gut issues.
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Filly
Well busyness, overworking, addictive, doing, amp perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Chris
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Filly
So get ready to heal your body, get your spot back deeply, connect with yourself and step into the life of your dreams. Let's dive in.
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Chris
Well, hello there. How you going? Chris here from Chris in Filly, Functional medicine. Super excited to have you on the ending body burn out show today. I am with my partner in functional medicine and Holistic Healing Filly. Hey, guys.
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Filly
Great. So we're excited to share another Connect the Dots episode with you. We love these ones because we get to take a real life listeners case and put our detective hats on to connect the dots of your health symptoms. So we're going to be going over like symptoms and suggest best lab test to confirm imbalances and also really dig into potential root causes.
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Filly
In today's episode, we're digging into a case around food sensitivities, insomnia, graves, disease and a chronic cough. And I just want to say thank you to all those who have submitted the case for Connect the Dots. There were so many complexities in the cases that we decided just to use one for these food sensitivities episode. But don't worry, we have got a bank of other applications, lots of other episodes.
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Chris
Lots of stuff coming soon, so stick around guys. Today should be a beauty. Hope you enjoy listening to us. Go on a journey to connect the dots, doing whatever you're doing. Stay tuned. Oh, right.
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Filly
Okay. What? Well, I'm actually just going to do a bit of a disclaimer. So before we jump into this case, I just want to make it fully aware that this is for informational educational purposes only. It doesn't replace having an official consult with us or with your medical doctor or your practitioner. So what we're going to talk about today is not coming from a place of advice giving, but more so as another perspective.
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Filly
So another perspective of the way that you can look at body burnout symptoms and health conditions that are connected there.
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Chris
It's also in touching with that, you're on a personal development journey at the end of the day and so using the the things that we talk about today, use that as a resource to open up your mind, your awareness and and inspire you to dive deep into connecting your own dots, going on your own journey.
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Filly
Yeah. Okay. All right. So let's look at Shantel. So this is our listener. We don't know Shantel also, which is lovely because then we can just look at this yet clean clean slate.
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Chris
Yet.
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Filly
So she So I want to talk about the combo of symptoms that she is currently experiencing. So she has a large amount of food allergies and sensitivities, a weird chronic cough that just doesn't seem to go away. Fatigue, insomnia, brain fog, dry skin. And she's also had a diagnosis of Graves disease. So there's a lot going on for this poor woman.
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Filly
She also wrote in to say that these symptoms manifested too long ago to remember. So this is a chronic issue. Sometimes people say, you know, if I have to meet in a consult for a connect the dots, and I'm like, how when did this start happening? Oh, for ever. And they want to ask specific questions. Actually, sometimes it manifests maybe in adulthood or as a teenager.
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Filly
So we don't really know what it means by too long ago to remember. Maybe it was when she was born. She had issues or it might have developed as time went on.
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Chris
That's interesting language thing coming from a linguistics and the communication thing. A lot of times we can blow our blow out of proportion, our symptoms right? And this has been going on forever. I mean, if I use the words before I so long, I can't remember. That's this morning in some ways.
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Filly
Yeah. And also to like the word forever is a bit of a generalisation as well. So maybe Chris do you want to talk into that from an LP perspective like generalisations and how that can actually cause more health issues, more more issues in your life when you're constantly generalising.
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Chris
There as there's millions, millions and millions of things that little bits of information and stuff that we possibly could be aware of in our world and our environments, our brains, with this nifty little trick, it filters it all out, not all out. If that's a generalisation, it filters a lot out and it just kind of chunks it down to like with like same with same similar to similar for now with now later with later.
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Chris
Pass would pass future future. All that sort of stuff. Family family chunks it down into into only a few chunks and any time there's any time that we don't filter things, any time that our brain doesn't filter stuff out in this way and chunk it all down, we can become overwhelmed and we're going to slow to too much, I think.
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Chris
But but sometimes when we do filter things out, we sometimes we have a preferred way of doing things. We can generalise stuff, we can delete out a whole bunch of information. My mom always said I had selective hearing, so probably that might be an example of deletions and and sometimes we distort stuff. A Filly you'll tell me to do something around the house, all coming.
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Filly
Back to deletion coming.
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Chris
Back from the from the beach the other day and Phil is like I told you I need to leave for the clinic it's I can't even remember that's a deletion and and my brain distorted it to, to something that I wanted so I guess that you could call that selective hearing. But we all do that to a to a degree.
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Chris
We distort, we generalise, we delete.
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Filly
And it can make you feel worse as well. So this is not when we do these connect the dots because we're not having a conversation with the person who submitted the case. We're not nit picking anything here, it's just opening up a conversation. And so generalisation as well can make people feel worse and worse than what they are because it's like it's gone on forever.
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Filly
I always feel like this. I always react to foods, I always have trouble sleeping. And so then it's just like, whoa, that's that's really overwhelming and consuming and can make you feel worse as opposed to, well, specifically speaking, I can eat. So food so many times actually, it's only when I eat this food, but generally speaking, generally. Well, specifically speaking, I can do things and feel good.
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Filly
Sorry, that's just what I wanted to bring up from that point. All right. So let's talk about food sensitivities. The reason why we picked this case specifically, two is that next week we have an awesome client coming on who has struggled with a whole heap of issues, including food sensitivities, to the point where she could only ate asparagus and mushrooms at her worst.
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Chris
So exciting. Exciting.
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Filly
No on like so excited to share Alice's story with you next week. But we wanted to talk about food sensitivity was.
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Chris
Asparagus is a.
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Filly
Mushroom I a mushroom.
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Chris
Oh, put that in a mushroom asparagus sandwich.
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Filly
All right. So this lady, our listener today, or the case study, said specifically that she had a large amount. Well, actually, that's probably not specific. That's a generalisation. How many? But then she did say.
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Chris
How many times can we generalise in our now we've told you about generalisation, isolation.
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Filly
So you get up every way. We all do it. We all do it. No one's immune to it, you know. Okay, Now Shinto did specifically say that she had a food allergy test and 88 food allergy test. So this test, I'm assuming, might have probably would have been a blood test or maybe a hair test. Looked at 88 General Foods and 66 came back as her body having an allergy response to them.
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Filly
And so she said she now tries to avoid all of these foods. So that's a lot of foods that 66 foods that this lady is currently trying to avoid in order to manage her symptoms.
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Chris
So that's a you know, I was talking about if you've got only you get overwhelmed. If you've got more than a few chunks, what is it, seven, seven plus or minus two chunks of information at any one particular time, any more than that, you are overwhelmed. How many foods did you say?
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Filly
She's 66.
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Chris
66.
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Filly
That's that breaks my heart.
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Chris
It's a lot. And so flat out straight away, my take on that is that's overwhelming.
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Filly
It's overwhelming for.
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Chris
Me. That's overwhelming. But and probably is for her.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I want to chat about food allergy testing for a sec here. Specifically, like what is food allergy or a food allergy test? So they are quite a different number of tests that you can do to look at food reactions in your body. So if we're looking at allergies, you could have a IGG, a or an IG or an itchy a reaction to certain foods.
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Filly
And so I just wanted to break this down just so that if someone else has had this test done or you're thinking about it or you have food reactions or sensitivities, this will help you just to understand what might be going on. So if you have an itchy reaction to a food, that's an immediate reaction. And that's often for people who have anaphylactic type reactions to foods, it's kind of like as soon as you eat the food, you come up in hives or whatever that might be stomach-ache straight away if it's severe enough, anaphylactic shock.
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Filly
Now that's less common. More common is having an allergy reaction that is IgG a or IgG. So this means that there's antibodies, IgG and IgG antibodies in your body that react that react when you have certain foods and it's considered more of a delayed reaction. So more like a food sensitivity as opposed to a true immediate allergic reaction.
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Filly
And this can be really tricky to pick up because symptoms can arise anywhere from 1 to 4 days after eating the foods and so doing a food allergy test IgG IGA can be helpful to detect if you're responding to food so you can actually try and work out, oh, is it a food that I'm eating that might be causing my symptoms?
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Filly
Now, however, a word of caution for food allergy testing. First of all, they're very easy to purchase online and not all are reliable testing. So sometimes you can get back a food allergy test that says your having a reaction to 20, 30, 40 foods when maybe you're not actually. And so then that can create a bit of food fear I find that a lot with clients who have done some sort of tests like that and they've been avoiding these foods for years.
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Filly
And I'm like, Have you ever challenged them like you just like.
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Chris
What did you call food? Fear.
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Filly
Food, fear. Yeah, food, fear. It's it's so common. So. So, yeah. So it can lead to food avoidance, which isn't always that helpful because when people start taking out heaps and heaps and heaps of foods from the diet, you actually paint yourself into a corner so that when you do try and eat the foods again, your body's so hyper sensitive to the food that you may try and challenge or that you might have accidentally, that you can actually then develop more food sensitivities.
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Filly
So that's number one. Question number two is what happens if your tests like this, ladies, comes back with 66 out of 88 reactive foods? That's almost all the foods on the test.
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Chris
So most of the foods on the planet.
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Filly
Planet, there's a lot more.
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Chris
Sterilisation.
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Filly
But but I would imagine if she did a test that's 88 foods that probably the general foods that most people eat. So okay so so this sounds like so then what do you do with that information I guess is the second question. So often you get a lab test, especially if it's just purchased online. You're not working with a practitioner.
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Filly
Now, artificial intelligence will spit out a bunch of stuff for you and say you need to avoid these foods for so long and you know, try these again later and do a rotation diet and studied ED And so then you get this report back in the email and you like, what do I do with this information? Do I just avoid these foods for the rest of my life?
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Filly
Like every time I try and challenge them, maybe like in a month's time, I keep reacting to them. So what do I do with this data? Do I just restrict for the rest of my life to try and manage my symptoms? That for me feels overwhelming or sorry? So I believe that a healthy body should be able to eat all healthy foods.
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Filly
So when someone presents like when a client presents with symptoms that are linked back to foods, my question is always is what's actually led to that in the first place? And the first inquiry is looking at the body systems. So there's always got to be something out of whack for your immune system to become hyper vigilant and start tagging broccoli and carrots and banana as threatening to your system.
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Chris
We always say, you can't have a symptom without there being an underlying body's system dysfunction.
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Filly
Yeah, yeah. So some tests that like I would immediately be thinking about when there's food sensitivities would be certainly gut testing. So something like a comprehensive stool test that can look for pathogens or look at the health of your microbiome. I'm looking at leaky gut, looking at the health of your digestive organs and the juices that they create.
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Filly
That's going to give us heaps of information want to work with so you can actually heal the gut and then you can eat all the foods. And then sometimes too, like it's really common for people with CBD so that small intestinal bacterial overgrowth for a lot of food sensitivities to arise in that as well. So, you know, I'd probably suggest running a C bio breath test depending on what else is going on for the client.
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Filly
Okay. Interesting. Yeah. All right. And so and so the the the benefit of that too, is that you don't have to restrict food for the rest of your life. If you can heal your body systems, especially the gut, then you should be able to eat a wide variety of fruits again. Okay, So let's chat about some of the other symptoms.
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Filly
So fatigue, insomnia, brain fog, all of these came up as well. So I'd definitely be looking at gut health to restore normal function and improve food reactions. But gut health isn't the only body system that triggers food sensitivities in an abnormal immune response to healthy foods, which is actually a new information for a lot of people. I think people are pretty savvy now that you need good gut health to digest and respond to foods healthily.
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Filly
But not a lot of people have really considered that there may be other body systems that are causing your systems like your whole self, to be in a hyper aroused nervous system, dysregulated state. And so the fact that this listener also has a combo of fatigue, insomnia, brain fog, these are all classic body burn out symptoms, tells me that highly likely the neuro endocrine system is also probably not doing very well.
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Filly
So these are areas such as the adrenal glands that produce these stress hormones, the neurotransmitters that secrete serotonin and adrenaline. All of these can not only cause fatigue, insomnia, brain fog, but they also greatly affect the nervous system. And when the nervous system is firing does functionally this thing causes the immune system to fire dysfunctional. It's almost like the saying is what?
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Filly
What fires together, wires together. And the reason why that happens is if the nervous system is responding to threats or it thinks that something is going to affect your safety, then the immune system often ramps up as well. Because we evolved to a kind of like when we think about going back to caveman days, there weren't a lot of ways that we could be threatened.
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Filly
So there were like dangerous animals, there were famines, and then there were kind of just like viruses and pathogens that could enter our system. So the immune system is always on alert when the nervous system is on alert. And that's where you can start developing abnormal antibodies in your body that can then fire off IgG, IGA, IgG e food allergy antibodies.
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Filly
And then that shows up on testing and you also feel it symptomatically.
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Chris
So just say just say somebody out there might be driving their car right now. Yeah. And they've just realised that they're driving on the wrong side of the road because their eyes across and, and all that information just kind of went over the top of it.
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Filly
And some people love the science.
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Chris
Chris So just, just for some of those people who might be not so science inclined, why did you say all that? What's the point?
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Filly
The point is we got to look at why you're getting the symptoms in the first place. Yeah. Now, a lot of people, when you have food reactions, do you worry? You know, I think the population is pretty savvy around like you got to have a healthy gut. But what about your brain, your adrenal glands, your nervous system? Are they healthy as well?
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Filly
Because if they're not, you can't rest and digest. So that's going to affect gut health. But it also ramps up the immune system, which can then start tagging things that are safe as unsafe. So like broccoli or carrots or banana. Hmm.
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Chris
That makes sense.
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Filly
Is that good? Yeah. Is that like, that's dum dumb dumb enough.
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Chris
That's I like you're talking about cavemen and you go on right next to you. And I feel like as some of our listeners might be more on my Yeah cool.
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Filly
No that's that's good Chris Chris is not dumb for me where I can get a bit like, oh, everyone knows what IgG means and leaky gut and Secretory IGA and Chris is like, no.
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Chris
Like I know what IGA is, is that supermarket around the corner?
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Filly
Chris is just like people know that they're feeling crappy and they want help. Yeah, well, they need to do something about it.
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Chris
Yeah, that's it.
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Filly
Okay, now science graves disease. So the listener also listed that in her application form for this episode that she has been diagnosed with Graves Disease, which is another sign of an overactive immune system. And it's highly likely linked to the high amount of food allergies showing up in her testing. So Graves Disease is an autoimmune disease or even like a immune system disorder.
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Filly
We could say that in another way that causes your thyroid gland to produce too much thyroid hormone. Sorry, I won't go. I mean, gee, we could do a whole podcast on thyroid diseases.
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Chris
Filly just said Filly just said the magic words. She's like, Look, I'm not going to go into the science too much.
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Filly
You know, I will a little bit more, but I won't go deep into Graves disease because that's not the state.
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Chris
We have some resources on our blog about Graves disease.
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Filly
Maybe not Cummings We can do something. Okay. But basically what happens when someone has an autoimmune thyroid disease or any type of auto immune disorder is that their immune system actually starts producing some sort of antibodies. So thyroid antibodies, for example, in graves disease, which then it tries to attacked the thyroid tissue causing hypothyroidism or an overactive thyroid gland.
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Filly
And so so it's really interesting that this person is producing a lot of thyroid antibodies, but they're also producing a lot of IGA or IgG or IgG e food antibodies as well. So the immune system is just like crushed like it's it's in crisis at the moment. It's just like everything is unsafe. What do I do? I have to tag everything as unsafe.
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Filly
I'm sorry. I thought Chris was going to say something.
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Chris
In other words, you got a lot of crazy hormonal stuff going on based on the foods eat, putting you in a state of stress makes your body do weird, funky, stressed out stuff, even though you know when funky and stressed out, it's just your hormones are a little bit wonky.
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Filly
Yeah, but it's probably more complex in that.
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Chris
I am here to generalise.
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Filly
Say, say. Then again, it's the same question with Graves disease in terms of what's causing the food allergies stuff. What's so another way of looking at that is what could be inflaming or causing more stress to the body. So in autoimmune conditions I'm always thinking about like are there pathogens or SIBO or low microbiome or leaky gut or adrenal fatigue or depleted brain chemicals or detox issues sometimes with people who have a lot of complex body burn out symptoms often have sensitivities to mould, or maybe they've even been bitten by a tick and develop something like Lyme disease.
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Filly
If you've been travelling or living in a place that could have Lyme disease ticks. Okay. Now one other symptom I wanted to chat about and then we'll get into the root causes more deeper, deeper what we call metaphysical root causes. Sorry. This lady also said she's been dealing with a chronic cough, which is interesting. So usually if someone has food issues plus they've got a chronic cough.
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Filly
My first thing that I always think about is maybe you've got some sort of chemical sensitivity to something like histamine or salicylates, which often is the case when people have chronic body burn out and they body systems are all out of whack and imbalanced. But it's very interesting that Shantel writes in that the chronic cough started at a change of career when she had added responsibilities and stress.
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Filly
MM Soup. Interesting. I love these little bits of information because it's like, Oh, okay, we're getting a more well-rounded vision here and I think that's the right word. Well rounded case information. So we see it all the time in clinic that extra stress flares up symptoms or can create new ones. So on the physical side of things, this makes complete sense.
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Filly
If there were underlying adrenal issues or brain issues that were affecting her ability to produce stress hormones and chemicals. So like a changing career, more stress, more responsibility, these body systems that potentially were already struggling are just struggling even more now, and that's leading to another symptom. She said in her form that the Ian T had, she she saw an anti doctor and had an endoscopy completed with nodules removed and the cuts and the cost subsided, but it still prevalent.
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Filly
So I'm not too clear if the nodules were gastric nodules, which would be like an endoscopy is a camera down this right or if it's thyroid nodules. But regardless, structurally the removal of the nodules helped with the cough, but it is still there. So the deeper root cause hasn't been found yet. And I think it's a good time.
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Filly
I can tell Chris is itching to talk about the deep root root causes.
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Chris
Oh, we encourage. Give me a chance.
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Filly
All right. Sorry. So testing, not glancing, super important. That's like our baseline level of inquiry and functional medicine practice. Getting really clear on where the body systems are at, what's burnt out, what's overgrown, so we can start healing those with lab based targeted supplements is really important. But then in order to end body burn out, we don't just want to put a Band-Aid approach and just do some natural supplements and a diet or takeaway foods.
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Filly
Although you may feel better for a time, we want to look deeper into what actually caused the body systems to burn out in the first place. Okay, So so let's look at some of the other data in this case.
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Chris
Yeah.
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Filly
So I think a good segway is to start chatting about the chronic cough again.
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Chris
Yeah, I was hoping we would. The holistic model is not all about, Hey, you got a symptom or let's give you a drug. Hey, you got a thing? Oh, let's treat that. Hey, you've got a potential to have a health issue, so let's give you a mandated. Oh, we're not going to talk about that.
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Filly
Let's but also two in that line of thinking, because sometimes people think that they get to the root cause when they've done lab testing, they like the root cause, food allergy. I'm allergic to that. I've got adrenal fatigue, I've got leaky gut. It's still not the root cause. It's just we're gathering more information from the physiology.
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Chris
Yeah. And I guess the holistic, holistic model of this, the holistic view is, okay, we see you've got a chronic cough. It's been going on for a while. What's a cough? It's kind of like you're trying to get attention, you're trying to like if you just did that, your little throat clear chakra, throat communication trying to. Louise Hay says you're trying to bark at the world.
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Chris
You've got this this need to be heard. Holistic model opens up inquiry for for all sorts of things. It's not necessarily saying, oh, just do this, but it opens up doors of inquiry where we could say, Hmm, is something that you want to say. Is there something you want to get off your chest? Is this something you want to get out in the open?
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Chris
You know, kind of like using coughing as a metaphor. I do it all the time with with our clients using health symptoms as metaphors, as so cool and interesting to see what comes up. And that's another connecting of the dots, right?
00;29;33;10 - 00;29;56;09
Filly
Yeah. And like with the metaphors, too, it's really it is a metaphor. It's a symbol, but it's purely just a symbol coming from your unconscious state, trying to grab your attention. So these symptoms are real. You didn't just make them up. But when we look at it in a holistic way, it's like, all right, sorry. Now we can see what body systems are out of whack and that's why you have the symptoms.
00;29;56;09 - 00;30;02;09
Filly
But what is the deeper message like? What is the deeper metaphor of this symptom?
00;30;02;11 - 00;30;27;15
Chris
Your body, your body talks in like it can't just send you an email. It's it does speak to you, your body does speak to your body, sends you messages and it lets you know exactly what it feels like it needs. And coughing is it's exactly what your your body is trying to tell you. But just what does that mean?
00;30;27;15 - 00;30;29;17
Chris
What does it mean when it when it coughs?
00;30;29;17 - 00;31;02;03
Filly
Yeah. And so maybe a little talking to stress a bit as well, because it definitely sounded like things got worse when there was the change of the career. More responsibility, more stress. And so it's interesting, like we all know, like most people know, that was a generalisation. Most people know that stress impacts our health. But what a lot what a lot of people aren't really aware of is that stress is subjective based on how you're filtering information coming in from the environment.
00;31;02;03 - 00;31;20;10
Filly
So stress is never outside of us. If we're talking about emotional stress, it's never what's happening outside of us. It's not because it's in a different job. Yeah, it's it's the way that we're responding to the information from the external environment. It's an internal stress.
00;31;20;10 - 00;31;44;23
Chris
Yeah, stress. Think about it this way. Stress is largely internal and it's pretty much an opinion issue. Write that down. Yeah, cause some people, some people can go through that workplace change and and have that experience and they thrive. It's like the best thing that they could ever experience. They're just like, I am so happy that this is happening.
00;31;44;26 - 00;31;55;15
Chris
But the fact that Chantelle's been stressed, choosing to be choosing to be stressed in this experience means that that this is an opinion issue. Yeah.
00;31;55;18 - 00;32;19;26
Filly
A good example to just like bringing it back to us is that Harvard, when COVID hit and it was lockdown, I freaked out and it actually caused a lot of health issues to flare up. Whereas Chris, on the other hand, same situation, same, same I have this is my life, same business is being shut down, same finances. Chris loved it.
00;32;20;01 - 00;32;23;21
Filly
He loved it. So I say that was a huge bring me.
00;32;23;23 - 00;32;28;04
Chris
Down, bring do not quote me on that.
00;32;28;11 - 00;32;51;11
Filly
So yeah, that was a huge learning for me. That is just like, wow, I thought I just had as I thought it was just like stress was out there. It was the craziness that was happening out there, but it was all the craziness happening inside of me that I really had to dig down into. So a lot of people, like even health professionals, natural therapists, well-meaning friends, would just say, you just need to.
