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Speaker 1
Hello? It's Philly here. Just a quick announcement before we jump into today's episode. Natural Medicine Week, hosted by Israel and Traditional Medicine Society, is coming up on the 22nd to the 28th of May. I'm a proud ambassador for Natural Medicine Week, which showcases all the many ways natural medicine can restore the body and mind with live online events run by qualified practitioners across Australia.
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Speaker 1
You can check out the link in the show notes to find your way to Natural Medicine Week as part of the event. I'll be holding a special free root cause of emotional eating masterclass, which you can sign up for via the Natural Medicine Week website. During the Masterclass, I'll be digging into emotional eating, food addictions, sugar cravings and the hidden imbalances in the body that caused this behaviour, as well as the metaphysical imbalances that are at the deepest root cause of emotional eating.
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Speaker 1
Hope you can make it okay. Until today's episode.
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Speaker 2
Hello and welcome to the ending Body Burn Out Show, where your hosts, Chris and Philly co-founders of Multi award winning Functional Medicine Practice, serving busy people with energy mood and got issues.
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Speaker 1
Well, busyness, overworking, addictive doing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues.
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Speaker 2
Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root, root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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Speaker 1
So get ready to heal your body, get your spot back deeply, connect with yourself and step into the life of your dreams. Let's dive in.
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Speaker 1
Okay, So I am so excited to share with you one of our awesome clients. Share our client with you. So Alice has been on an amazing healing journey, and I. I just. I mean, I talk to our people all the time, and so I feel inspired every day with the people that I talk to. But I think there's something special when you hear someone else's healing journey, because actually there's research around this that it actually helps to metabolise trauma.
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Speaker 1
So when someone's been through a chronic illness and we'll hear a lot about the weird things that were going on for Alice, it can be really isolating. Sometimes you get to a point where people are like, Are you just making this all up? And so when you can hear other people's stories and that there is a way to actually heal and come out the other end, it can help to validate your own experience and give you more hope there yourself to end your own body, burn out.
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Speaker 1
Okay. Sorry, I shouldn't say I we, Chris and I have loved being part of Alice's healing journey so far. She is so dedicated. I feel like anything that we have put down for you, you have picked up. You're like, Yep, I'll do it. Yeah, I'll. I'll. I'll jump in like you just jump into the deep end and willing to go deep into all layers of healing, not just not just stopping at the physical, but the mental, the emotional, the spiritual and really healing your whole self, which is just so awesome to say.
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Speaker 1
And I think the results speak for themselves when you can treat your body holistically. Plus, she's just a beautiful person, so I'm so excited to have you on the show. Thanks for coming on.
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Speaker 3
Thank you. It's my pleasure.
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Speaker 1
Yay. Okay, so maybe you would just dive straight into the dark side. Like, how were you feeling? How were you feeling before you reached out to us?
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Speaker 3
Oh, when I reached out to you folks, I was recovering from my breast implant removal surgery. And then we can talk a little bit about it, because I had what people have been calling breast implant illness and it took me a while to discover what was going on. So like, even before this surgery, I was having heaps of symptoms and I had my first contact with functional medicine, which gave me some relief at the time.
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Speaker 3
But then the symptoms came back all over again. So probably at that time nothing would help anyway unless they removed the breast implants. But when, because of the toxicity, I was aware that I should be doing something. So there's a lot of DIY things that people recommend after doing the removal, but I didn't want it to. I like there was a lot of suffering.
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Speaker 3
I wanted to make sure that I was going to come back to a good place of functioning of health. And then I started looking for some functional practitioner that would fit my style. And we can talk about my side and it was lucky because I saw fit talking about histamine tolerance at the time, I said, Oh, do they have histamine intolerance?
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Speaker 3
I discovered that I didn't. So it wasn't in National Medicine Health Week.
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Speaker 1
That was last year.
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Speaker 3
It was last year. And I really loved her approach. So I kind of shortlisted her my list of like top three functional practitioners that I felt like going to, and I asked some probing questions fast and all my tests I like, I really wanted someone that I wanted to collaborate with. At the time I had some knowledge. I'm the kind of the person didn't like to go deep into things and she was spot on.
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Speaker 3
Like, it's like, I see that. That's it. That's her. So let's do it. I think I even.
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Speaker 1
I think you even asked about my gene mutation, which we won't get into later. And I'm like, just very to chatting about that in my book and I'm like, email it to you. That said sorry to people who I'm familiar with breast implant illness. So that's basically where the implants become very toxic and your body's responding really negatively to it, almost like an inflammatory response to the toxins inside the implants.
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Speaker 1
And for some people they can get really, really sick. Like, can you take a picture in terms of some of those symptoms that you were experiencing before you got the implants out or before?
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Speaker 3
Okay. So the interesting thing is that before I wasn't aware, before I had the whole thing was being planned. So you just have a bunch of sickness, seemingly unrelated and tracing back. Looking back, I have this feeling I can remember, like since my sixth sense, since I was 16. But even early as a child, I would take lots of antibiotics and then growing like around my 16 like Variations.
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Speaker 3
I didn't even know that I had some mild panic attacks. And then it started in a cycle of disease that wouldn't justify so, ah, on my my twenties I would have some herpes in my oesophagus in like, Oh, what's that? You have AIDS or anything less? No, no. That's a very weak immune system. I remember I even forgot about mentioned this to Phillip.
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Speaker 3
So I'm saying now I went into a cycle of vaccines for to improve my immune system and nothing would help. So. Wenzel So like different kinds of things. Always seek, always seek. When I was 31, when I was about 21, I had my daughter A and it was good. It was a okay pregnancy. I took a lot of care with, with my health and so on and around this was in 2012 and 2015.
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Speaker 3
I have my first contact, like with low carb paleo style diets and this kind of helped. I felt safer because you remove gluten, you remove sugar. Like it kind of had to say, Well, that's it. So I stopped when I was like, I used to take like almost I could take one dose of antibiotics a quarter of times in a year.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. Destroying my gut. Yeah. And once I removed sugar and gluten and I almost it was okay. I felt, well, I found a cure, but then I did it in like I used to getting 2000. It was around 2015. I had a transient ischaemic attack.
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Speaker 1
Pretty intense. Very young person.
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Speaker 3
Exactly. It's kind of a mini stroke at the time. It was attributed to the use of contraception pills. So I stopped in there. So now I'm grateful because it was the first thing that I removed that I did and needed one less chemical in my body. Yeah. And then in 2016, I was exercising, I was doing CrossFit, the body was getting great as well.
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Speaker 3
Why not like putting some breast implants? And then I had this this surgery in 2016. Two years later, in 2000, 18. Like, I think that in the next year I was going through some changes in my life and facing society, facing like a kind of a different personality, like depression that I it wasn't myself, but at the time I wouldn't notice.
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Speaker 3
So I just think that's life and that's okay. In 2018, I started having a heavy pain in my abdomen to the point that I had to stop working and I had to stop working for three weeks going from GP to GP, staying overnight at the hospital just to be sent home without no one telling me what was going on.
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Speaker 3
And then I came across in a Facebook ads some news of the disease that sweeping Australia. It was only talking about her endometriosis. And then there was a Facebook group and I was having a heavy crisis of endometriosis. Faye had surgery, got better at the time. I did associate it at all. Now looking back, I'm pretty sure that the endometriosis was also caused because the depressing first day, the messed up your hormones.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. And so that was two years after the bit this surgery to put this was 2018, 2019. The digestive symptoms appeared to the point that I was barely eating anything like, even like I couldn't eat anything like meat. Everything that I would eat, I was basically eating asparagus and mushrooms because it was the only thing that I could eat.
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Speaker 3
And at the time, it was the first time that I got contact with functional medicine there. So, well, here I'm having a better answers than I had so far.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. So it's almost I remember when you first reached out and. Yeah, like, been sick since the breast cancer and not the breast cancer. The breast implants and now I've got them out. But then when we started looking back at history, definitely signs that things weren't quite right in the body, even from a young age.
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Speaker 1
And then over the time different things started happening. Got the breast implants. Then that was like the last year on the camel's back probably. And like getting to the point where you can only eight asparagus and mushrooms, it's not worth living.
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Speaker 3
It's not How so?
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Speaker 1
Yeah.
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Speaker 3
How is it.
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Speaker 1
How is that all affecting like other things in your life as well? Like your relationships? Were you able to work or like?
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Speaker 3
Yeah, during the whole time. I think that I was fortunate that I was to be able to work, but all the time, like I stopped stopping everything. So I was very active. So I just have energy, barely to work and to do the house things and mocking else. So I would save my energy to do the basic things at this point in time.
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Speaker 3
Around 2019, there's something that happened that we can talk about it that I had as life improvement before I removed. But that disappointing time I have the least of the symptoms here. Everything that I was head. And so I had fatigue, chronic fatigue, cognitive dysfunction, like brain fog, memory loss, muscle aches being weakness, joint pain, soreness, ringing the years, how hard pap publications, shortness of breath, insomnia, burning brain around the chest or breast like there's a lot of pain in my left breast like vertigo, declining vision.
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Speaker 3
So I would go to the optometrist. Yep, something's going on. But we do not know exactly what it is. Digestive issues of all the type food intolerances and allergies feeling like I'm dying, mood swings, emotional speech, anxiety, depression. And I have this list because at the time I would take all of them to take the GP to see.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, this seems all related and so on. So yeah, it was affecting a lot of my life personally, but I didn't need to stop working. Yeah, even at the end I had to stop exercising it all just to, to stick to, to the mean again, to have energy.
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Speaker 1
What was your experience to going around to GP's and specialists and, and I don't know if I've asked you this, when did you actually start thinking maybe it might be the breast implants.
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Speaker 3
Mhm. I like since 2015 I already started to have this awareness that something was going very wrong with the traditional medicine system. Yeah. So I was aware like when I would go to a GP see, oh your cholesterol, cholesterol is a bit high, you should take simvastatin or something like this. I knew that this wasn't right. So I know that was something that not quite okay, that the recommendations like we all always lean towards like medicine and so on about the, the breast implants.
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Speaker 3
It was similar to endometriosis. I had I, I usually I research a lot, but I also consider myself pretty blessed as well in terms of things coming to me unexpectedly. So I don't quite remember where I probably was in an Instagram post. Some celebrities, someone going through it because things were starting to appear. Yeah, so that was it in 2019.
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Speaker 3
I have this first and then I landed in these Facebook community where there's a lot of ladies going through this and the professionals not recognising. So in 2019 was very hard because even the professionals that were doing the explained, that's what's called the surgery to remove the breast implants, they're not fully bought. That breast implant illness was a thing.
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Speaker 3
So it was the woman said, no, that's not we're not inventing these, that's serious. We're going through this. So it was very hard. So I went to to distorted that she was doing the surgeries in my city and she would say, yeah, I would be receiving some a ladies report. Yeah, we can do it. So this was 2090.
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Speaker 3
My husband was speaking concerns that I was doing something a bit extreme, that I could do it and wouldn't reverse. And at the time I end up deciding not to do it because I was having some symptoms, like the joint pain, I started associating with some autoimmune disease and all of these things myself, bootstrapping like looking because no one was really giving me any direction, any help about what was going on.
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Speaker 3
It's like this looks like I think let's, let's do something that's ultimate related. So I came across the ultra immune protocol diet. Mm hmm. That helped me a lot. So in 2019, from the place of just eating mushrooms in asparagus, I was able to stop eating a things again.
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Speaker 1
That's awesome.
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Speaker 3
So, yeah. And what was the conclusion in 2019? It wasn't the breast implants.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Okay. Because you kept getting these these improvements. I remember you sent me a meme when we started working after a group call, when we were looking at like, what's the deepest root cause? And we'll get to that in a sec. And you sent me a meme of a sheep like the man pulling the sheep out of the crack.
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Speaker 1
So there was a big crevice and then the sheep, he's like, Yeah, I'm free. And then it jumps back into the crack again. And it was. That's almost like your experience. Hey, like, you would do something. And then it's like, Oh, yes, yes, yes. Starting to feel better. Okay, great. Awesome. And then something else would happen and things would flare off again.
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Speaker 1
Sorry. Although. And healing happens in layers too. And that was my experience as well. Like with everything that I did, there were improvements, but it wasn't until I could heal all I was. Then body burn out ended.
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Speaker 3
Exactly. Yeah. And that's that's my experience, like even doing our treatments right. And I would get very excited. It was like really something. I kind of had to drop you. The fall to the crack helped me get out again. And then you would do it, right?
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. That's. That's totally normal, too. Like, it's never just a lovely straight line up. It's usually up and down, up and down and little learnings along the way. So. Okay, so when you reached out to us, you'd had the breast implants removed and it had been about a two months, I think.
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Speaker 3
Or Yeah, while Yeah, I think so. While I was like right after I had the surgery. I think that even like detoxification protocols, they recommended to be done only six weeks after the surgery. So I tried to follow this recommendation. I've made the contact to kind of protocol. Let's line up the first consultations ones once I'm ready to fully getting in.
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Speaker 3
I think that's what's worthwhile. Like we're like in the timeline of 2019. So after the AP guys got better and then I got worse and then 2020 we have called made, we have I had COVID twice, I had vaccines. So all these things like I do not really know, we threw me like I it was the worst. So that was the beginning of 2022.
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Speaker 3
And that's when I decided to to do the surgery because I was confused. Another interesting thing, like three years later when I came back to this surgeon about the breast implant, Eunice and she said, Yep, I've, I've been operating many ladies, hundreds of them all with similar situation of yours. Not a single one of them got better. Not a single one of them didn't get better.
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Speaker 3
Yep. Only one that had previous conditions like anorexic anorexia. But yeah, it's a thing. Yeah. Three years later, the same doctor she recognised that it was a thing. And yeah.
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Speaker 1
That's really cool too though, that you really like you were part of that movement. Had you not turned up and express the things that were going on with you, as did the other women like, it would still not really be recognised as an issue, so it takes courage to actually almost challenge, I guess, the medical system as well in that this research isn't here yet.
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Speaker 1
The case studies aren't here yet, although we're now presenting with all these things and then three years later it's now recognised as an issue that should be considered when someone gets breast implants. Yes. Okay. So the first part, like when a client starts working with us is what we call the answers. They say that some of the like fun lab testing and getting really clear on what body systems have burnt out and if for you to I mean we it was we didn't know like is this as a result of the breast implants or were these imbalances there already.
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Speaker 1
Highly likely that was stuff going on before that that made you more susceptible to having for your body to react so poorly to the breast implants. So are you happy to share some lab test findings or do you remember? Yeah.
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Speaker 3
Definitely. I think that one thing that's interesting for us to share feel is that when I look for you, I came to. Yeah, let's do the lab testing. Yeah, because you have this thing here. We're going to analyse you going to work and then so once we have the first round, I think that the empty, empty HFA was one of the things I was pretty sure that was having challenges with the MTF gene.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. And in the end that was my criteria to choose really, actually. And in the end there was nothing related to it, was there? There was a mutation, but it wasn't cause the any dysfunction.
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Speaker 1
Yeah.
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Speaker 3
It was a good finding as well. Right. But in the beginning I wasn't aware. I also didn't quite understand because I didn't know what was behind. And that's why I think that the initiatives like the podcast really helps to inform people with the case is what's going on, What's the purpose? Right. Yeah. For me, feeling was just a better replacement for my previous previous functional medicine practitioner.
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Speaker 3
That showed to me like dozens of lab tests that I didn't know what to do about. It felt be overwhelmed and didn't have a way out. So feeling for me would be I step up because yeah, I trust on her, on her evaluation, but she showed much more because she has a method and I can talk a little bit more about why the method was very valuable for me.
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Speaker 3
But then they gave me my commitment. Yes, let's just have medical functional medicine appointments and that's okay for me. And she respect that. She said, that's okay, let's go to the tests. But then I think that their burnout thought is interesting. That gave me the click that I needed something more, right? So what we discovered in there in our lab there, so I was in stage two adrenal fatigue.
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Speaker 3
So that would explain, like I would look at people like, how do they sleep? Because I would go through my week working and I did it by the weekend, like just didn't want to do anything. And we had a young kid that was pretty hard to say, How does it work? I didn't even imagine that my fatigue wasn't something that was normal.
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Speaker 3
So I also had like low-cost testosterone and progesterone. The hormonal things like also related with my, my, my previous history of endometriosis, a tiny bit of parasites.
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Speaker 1
Oh, a tiny bit left. I would say blastocyst is how many say it's tested in unit. I think Vallarta is acceptable. Yes. Is it 334 a lot.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I like, I just just because, because she was just one. Yeah. But doesn't mean that it wasn't that much so Yeah. There was a lot. Yeah. And some other things that I cannot explain but I think that they did it talked issues was one of the things as well.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Which we haven't yet got up to. I think that's our next point. And your body so ready for that like generally detoxification will the fact the fact that you had such a poor outcome with the breast implants highly likely that there were detox issues previously. I find that people who are quite sensitive or even develop autoimmune type conditions, food sensitivities, sensitivities in general, there's generally an issue with detoxification.
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Speaker 1
So although the so we tested, we did a few tests. One of them was the organic acid test in that looked at whether your methylation gene mutation was expressing or not and it was pretty good. It was fine. However, even however, you still had the detox issue. So that's still part of the picture of methylation. So highly likely that little gene mutation might have just been affecting your ability to clear toxins like super effectively.
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Speaker 1
How did you feel too, when you got all the, all this data.
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Speaker 3
Is well, like having the data. I had the excuse before, right? So it was even like not repair. I have gone through that thing. So but I had some hope that with you we would be able to action on that data and without being overwhelmed by it. I'm like, okay, that treats one thing and one thing at a time in a way that I could absorb.
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Speaker 3
You know, it. I think that is individual to every person. So in our relationship, sometimes I would say, yeah, officially I can take more or sometimes you would propose. You know, I don't think that I can take right now. Let's wait a little bit. Yeah. And there was this negotiation the whole time, like in which I always appreciated.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. My mentor, old mentor, Dr. KALISH. So he's the one that taught me in function medicine. He's I remember him saying he's like, when you're talking to a client or a patient, imagine you've taken them out on a date you wouldn't like pull out the menu and say, you need to have this wine and this entree. And you would you would negotiate, you would say, what would you like?
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Speaker 1
What do you feel like? And I am I do respect like that. Everyone's different. Some people love to go all in really fast. Let's do all the body systems, although that's highly unsafe. So I'd pull those people back, whereas other people are a little bit more slow and steady and methodical. And I think to I mean, I've had other clients as well, like you, where they have had a bunch of lab tests and they didn't really action any of it because their practitioner didn't know how or didn't know when it was appropriate.
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Speaker 1
So yes, I like our method is breaking it up into different body systems so that we can do that safely, effectively, and in a way that aligns with how you respond as a person as well. Okay, So a bunch of body systems burn out that's like awesome to know about because then we can start resetting those therapeutically and make you feel better faster.
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Speaker 1
But a lot of people think that that's the root cause. It's like I've got adrenal fatigue or leaky gut or detox. I've found the root cause, but unfortunately we need to dig a bit deeper. So our question always with our clients when we get the lab test results back is what actually caused these body systems to burn out in the first place.
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Speaker 1
And there are a myriad of root causes. So from the environment to you, the habits or behaviours that you have, we're very big on the body mind connection as well because we're a whole being sorry. Are you happy to share what you've discovered about yourself and root causes?
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Speaker 3
Yeah, there's a pivotal moment, right? So I was in that mood of give feeling, Just give me the, the exam, the tests I'm going to do what you tell me and I'm going to get rid of it. So why are we using this process in tea? Very respectful of my choices at the time.
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Speaker 1
And can I just can I just clarify? So Alice is talking about let's do lab tests and supplements basically, like. Yes, just do the lab tests, give me the supplements my body needs.
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Speaker 3
That's it. That's it. Like I could I could even hear them say, like, there's some root cause. I just will disregard this information. My, my brain wouldn't process this because I knew what I needed and then why we were in this process. I burnt out from work and it was my second experience. Like grief, that burnout where your brain just stops in.
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Speaker 3
I would open the computer in my body. Interestingly enough, it was my first experi. It's weird because as we go, like we're already going through some of the things and I was having some improvements just briefly supplementing with the adrenal fatigue and my mind, I wasn't feeling that I wasn't that anxious state or depression state anymore. So this burden was different.
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Speaker 3
It was all about body reactions. So my mind would be clear. I wouldn't be thinking about overthinking about any like repetitive thoughts or anything. It was all in the body. So for me that was okay. How come something is going on is not in my mind. And that's when I started having contact. A contact Lucky does more than just your mind.
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Speaker 3
It's more than just your your your physiologic system. So there's something else. And I feel.
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Speaker 1
Something had.
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Speaker 3
Something else going on. And I think that started. And then I went, if you like, what's going on? And then when she explained to me and then I said, Yeah, I need the whole program, I need the whole thing. And then I joined the body burned out because I understood what they're trying to treating there, because I had a clear example of some manifestation that I wasn't able to treat with supplements or with rationalisation, with anything.
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Speaker 3
There was something else going on.
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Speaker 1
Yes, sorry, just I guess like more so for the listeners. So the ending body burn out method looks at all layers. Like at the deepest root cause are the things that are held in our subconscious or unconscious state, and that's really common for people who are who are having these body reactions. And so a lot of the times and often this occurs when we're children, we have these experiences and our bodies always storing these experiences in these emotions.
00;31;13;22 - 00;31;37;05
Speaker 1
And as a kid, if you have something negative happen to you generally because of the way our nervous system is hardwired for safety will usually make it mean something negative and usually about ourselves, because it's kind of like it's an act of protection. And so then these things get stored inside our body, and for some people it will show up as like anxiety and mental health issues and that sort of stuff.
00;31;37;05 - 00;32;00;16
Speaker 1
But for other people, it can literally show up in the body as well, which is really common too, with kids who are getting sick all the time. So like, hmm, that's interesting. Yeah, let's do some gut testing and look at all that. But what else is happening in their life? Are you happy to share any sort of specifics in terms of things that you discovered that caused you to feel unsafe in your nervous system?
00;32;00;16 - 00;32;02;16
Speaker 1
He's really what it was all about.
00;32;02;18 - 00;32;30;10
Speaker 3
Exactly. So that was the disclosure for me, right? So this this thing about nervous system in nervous system dysregulation. So what I've learned is that I've been disregulated for quite a while and like going back, like to the to the to the exercise, the workshops, and you try to go deep in terms of trying to understand like, I do not have one single thing that happened that I can track to the past, but it was just the overall situation.
00;32;30;10 - 00;33;02;26
Speaker 3
So my parents, they divorced when I was five. My mom was pretty young at the time, like she was 29 and like still wanting to live her life. So I kind of grew with my mom as a sister, with my grandmother. So there was there was something missing. There was a lot missing. So now that I'm a mom, not that I blame my mom, my mom for everything, but I understood that this was really in the midst of my root causes, like even the previous functional practitioner.
00;33;03;00 - 00;33;31;17
Speaker 3
When I told this story and she asked me some questions about my my past, I remember she said, Yeah, you're not nurtured as a child. And then I learned that this was in there. So many of the behaviours that I, I would manifest as an adult, like perfectionism needing to be set that was always trying to please my mom to get her attention.
00;33;31;24 - 00;33;53;02
Speaker 3
So I learned that many of my behaviours would lead to this right? And it's what's amazing. It's not that I blame my mom for anything. I think that another thing that we learn on the workshops is that as an adult we need to be able to parent ourselves. We have resource, we cannot, we do not need to leave.
00;33;53;02 - 00;34;16;18
Speaker 3
In the past we should have been doing something because she had her own struggles, her own traumas as well. And then we are able to rationalise this kind of stuff and it's kind of a messy process sometimes. So greenfields, sometimes in the workshops they use the expression poking the wounds. Sometimes in the workshops you really feel like, I don't like, I do not feel good about this.
00;34;16;20 - 00;34;44;05
Speaker 3
I do not know what's going on, but I embrace our process and let's see how we move forward. Yeah, and some time later, because this process doesn't happen at the rational level. And what I learn is that my body manifestations are coming from the subconscious mind in this process. So like all the breathing exercise, it's amazing, like knowing how to self regulate, not just by trying to have different thinking.
00;34;44;07 - 00;35;08;23
Speaker 3
It's part of it as well, but when it's just on your body, we need to have body things that will help to put your system in a good place. Again. So it's amazing. Like the whole thing sum up, Ina said, that really helps you to get to that place, to really understand what's going on. So I think that the first step is about awareness, about a bunch of things that I wasn't aware.
00;35;08;25 - 00;35;21;24
Speaker 3
And then so all investigations as we all end up reading a lot, they have recommended books and I look for my own things as well. But it's not amazing. Like I think that the bulk eight months journey so far. Yeah, yeah.
00;35;22;01 - 00;35;35;11
Speaker 1
I do remember you telling me to when you really went back into the past and the childhood and you're processing a lot of stuff. You had a lack of body experience to remember that. Yes, like I.
00;35;35;12 - 00;35;36;27
Speaker 3
Just said now.
00;35;37;00 - 00;35;37;10
Speaker 1
To.
00;35;37;16 - 00;35;39;02
Speaker 3
Salt. Yeah.
00;35;39;05 - 00;35;41;00
Speaker 1
Oh, it just came back again.
00;35;41;02 - 00;35;54;21
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah. It's what was a tingling sensation like at the time as I was uncovering, there was this tingling sensation. It was I'm feeling now good, good sensation.
00;35;54;23 - 00;35;56;07
Speaker 1
Like energetic, you know.
00;35;56;10 - 00;36;12;10
Speaker 3
It's not bad or it's energetic. Yeah, it's not bad or good. It was kind of like you said, like it's energy, Like feeling something, being on bit. Yeah. Like shift is. It's really crazy. Yeah.
00;36;12;12 - 00;36;36;01
Speaker 1
Yeah. I had, I don't know if it was exactly the same and I've told our clients this story many times and I think I've said it publicly as well. But when I was doing my own inner healing and then my heartburn shifted and same feeling like it was just that energy for me, it was like really intense light and love and riffling through my body.
00;36;36;03 - 00;36;51;29
Speaker 1
But it was like, that's that energy and that shifting of energies, healing like it's healing stuff. It's moving immersion, it's helping to regulate your nervous system and it can literally dislodge symptoms as well, which is just yeah, phenomenal, amazing.
00;36;52;02 - 00;37;09;22
Speaker 3
I'm processing a bit more like small electric impulses. Yeah, the tingling would be some kind of time between one side by side with the other. Yeah. And that's it. As I was processing, I would feel like when something new wasn't cold, it was kind of that aha moment, but manifested in my body.
00;37;09;25 - 00;37;30;24
Speaker 1
Yeah. So cool. So cool. Um, do you have any other examples too? Like when you realised things were shifting and changing and your problem was getting solved just like anything else? Showing up health wise, though, even the way you were showing up as a mom or a wife or in work?
00;37;30;26 - 00;38;05;09
Speaker 3
Oh, yeah, definitely. I think that a you have this increase is I think that for me, this increase of mental space was great. Like you have this increased capacity where, where the time in energy and not too much of a blocker more of course I noticed that my energy where the blockers and you have that lethargy to do some things like even to cope there's been quite a while since I wasn't able to cope like finishing the work day.
00;38;05;09 - 00;38;29;04
Speaker 3
That's a pretty recent one figure. You updated you on this. Oh no, I see Kochie on a daily basis in For Pleasure, which is different than just doing the things because you have to do. Yeah. Like doing now because my family and that's something that sometimes appears on the workshops and we have people like from in different stages on the journey.
00;38;29;07 - 00;38;59;06
Speaker 3
But this thing about being kind to yourself, like, okay, right now I cannot do this, but I know I'll be able to do it. So but I need to keep finding a way. Interesting things, giving some time and so, so this increased capacity I like even at work, I am a software engineer, so I didn't I wasn't studying more, was giving me a bit of anxiety and I started feeling energised again.
00;38;59;06 - 00;39;21;16
Speaker 3
In learning more, I keep doing more in how I show myself as a mom. So there was a lot of duty because sometimes I wasn't present at all. Sometimes I didn't have the energy and I'm much more patient. Of course, like every mom, we have our yelp, our moments, but it's much better. It's really about feeling, feeling good about yourself.
00;39;21;16 - 00;39;26;04
Speaker 3
I think that happiness is a bit overrated, but I feel confident.
00;39;26;04 - 00;39;26;22
Speaker 1
And love it.
00;39;26;23 - 00;39;27;01
Speaker 3
And.
00;39;27;07 - 00;39;35;11
Speaker 1
And you're eating all the foods again, like even some dairy and gluten and eggs when you want to. You're not reacting to them.
00;39;35;13 - 00;40;03;11
Speaker 3
Exactly. Eggs was one of the last Russians to fall because even when we were going through the treatment I was to having a lot of intolerance to eggs. And I love eggs like I would eat every if if it wasn't so bad for gut, they first because it shouldn't be any heavy every day. But I would but yeah, I can just like eat everything and speak right.
00;40;03;17 - 00;40;04;02
Speaker 1
So go.
00;40;04;05 - 00;40;08;26
Speaker 3
From mushroom to in asparagus to eating everything that's that kind of life.
00;40;08;26 - 00;40;40;24
Speaker 1
Is complete again. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, thank you so much. I have actually learned some things that I didn't know, so I love these. Thank you so much. And so a appreciative of you having the courage as well to come and share your story, because I know a lot of people, you know, hold this to their heart. And so it's just I think it's amazing, especially the breast implant, more awareness around that and also the fact that you can go from just eating mushrooms and asparagus to eating all the things like you can heal.
00;40;40;24 - 00;41;01;11
Speaker 1
You have all the races, resources inside of you. Now, do you have anything you would like to share before we finish? For anyone out there who might be listening, struggling in body burn out or feeling like they're not getting anywhere or there's no hope, what would you say to someone if you met someone on the street?
00;41;01;14 - 00;41;35;22
Speaker 3
Well, first I would like to declare my gratitude for Chris and Phyllis work. It's amazing. I think that's the kind of thing that goes against. It's pretty hard because you go against the status quo when there are a lot of people suffering, like because of lack of knowledge, because the mainstream knowledge says something and they're going against. So I really hope that every year their business, their message spread across more and more so you can touch more people like me, for example, that sometimes are in a desperate stage that do not know what to do.
00;41;35;22 - 00;42;03;15
Speaker 3
It's so they can have some some hope. And for the people who are listening that are going through some tough moments, I think that there's a way. So all these things like sometimes even with mental health issues, there is a narrative like, oh, you're depressed, you're actually you're nothing like you're beautiful human being. There are some circumstances in your life that led you to where you are and everything can be healed.
00;42;03;17 - 00;42;12;20
Speaker 3
So I think that's the message keep looking for is if you are listening to this podcast, you are in the right place. So that that's what I'd say.
00;42;12;22 - 00;42;39;07
Speaker 1
Amen, sister. I love it. Thank you so much. So Appreciate you. And we love having you in our life. So we thank you so much for listening. We so appreciate you. If you'd like to give us extra smiles, drop us a review and spread the love. By sharing this episode.
00;42;39;10 - 00;42;58;05
Speaker 2
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