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Hello? It's Philly here.
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Just a quick announcement
before we jump into today's episode.
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Society, is coming up on the 22nd
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to Natural Medicine Week
as part of the event.
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I'll be holding a special free root
cause of emotional eating masterclass,
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which you can sign up for via
the Natural Medicine Week website.
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During the Masterclass, I'll be digging
into emotional eating, food
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addictions, sugar cravings
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and the hidden imbalances in the body
that cause this behaviour,
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as well as the metaphysical imbalances
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that are the deepest root
cause of emotional eating.
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Hope you can make it okay.
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Onto today's episode.
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Hello and welcome to the ending Body
Burn Out Show,
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where your hosts, Chris
and Philly co-founders
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of Multi-award-winning
Functional Medicine Practice,
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serving busy people with energy, mood
and got issues while busyness,
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overworking, addictive doing
and perfectionism might be the norm.
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It's not normal and it's a major
contributor to health issues.
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Our goal with this show
is to give you a holistic route, a root
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cause approach to healing your body
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so that you don't have to continue
doctor or diet hopping
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or popping a gazillion supplements
hoping something might stick.
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So get ready to heal your body,
get your spot back
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deeply, connect with yourself
and step into the life of your dreams.
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Let's dive in.
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Hi, guys.
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Welcome to the ending Body
Burnout show, Chris here
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on with my co-host, Phillip Tunnell.
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Excited. Hello. Hello.
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We are here today
to talk all about emotional eating.
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As you've heard.
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We're running a Web class
next week on the root
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cause of emotional 80
for Natural Medicine Week.
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So I'll pop the link in the show notes
if you want to sign up to that.
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And today I thought to be a cool
opportunity may be slightly
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embarrassing for us to dig into my own
emotional eating journey,
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which is really stand over the
car, over the last decade.
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Right.
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So grateful to have you along, guys.
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Pretty
keen to get rocking with this one.
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Let's dive in.
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Yeah, so let's maybe chat about
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what do we actually mean
by emotional eating.
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That's a term that a lot of people
throw around all the time.
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So when we're talking
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about emotional eating,
it's really eating your emotions.
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So a lot of people will show up
with emotional eating
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when they're stressed
or when they're bored
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or when they're angry or overwhelmed.
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And, you know, we have a lot of clients
who come to us who are just like,
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I just can't stop eating the chocolate
when I'm stressed out.
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And this is a really strong pattern to
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with busy people who have body burn out
because a lot of the times
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you're reaching for these foods as well
because you have no energy.
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So you're using it as a pick
me up, you're feeling anxious
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and overwhelmed, so you're using
the food to calm you, to
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give yourself a bit of a momentary love
and pleasure.
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And it can lead to got issues.
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Okay.
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So it can also show up
as food addictions as well.
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So some people really are just stuck
in this cycle
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of emotional
eating and craving all the foods.
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And so we want to dig into all of that
with you before we do. Dr.
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Mark Hyman, you may have heard of him.
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He's a functional medicine
doctor in America.
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He wrote a cool blog post.
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I don't know how long ago it was,
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but he said
emotional eating gets a bad rap.
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So when we talk, it's
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for most of this podcast,
we will be talking about the way
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that it negatively shows up
and how it's
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how there's a lot of guilt and shame
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and restriction
around the way that we eat.
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But emotional eating
can actually be beautiful,
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and that's kind of what
I've learned over the years, is that
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I still eat food,
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I still eat, I still emotionally ate.
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I love food.
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Food is my life
and food is pleasurable.
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So we don't want to talk about
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food as in it's bad
and you should only use it for fuel
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and you should only use it
to nourish your body.
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You can also use it
to love yourself up.
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But the What's the saying?
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A good. Yeah.
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There's nothing wrong.
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Everything is everything.
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Everything's okay until it's not
nothing's nothing's wrong until it is.
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Yeah.
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And so eating that way,
having that those patterns, those
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those ways of being and doing,
it's not bad until it is
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and sometimes just comes
smack bang collision course
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with the
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realisation
that the way you are behaving and
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the things you're doing, these patterns
that it's not okay anymore.
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Yeah.
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And it would show up dysfunctional
if you are feeling food,
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fear or shame or guilt
in the way that you're eating.
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If you constantly restricting
and then binging
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and that does not feel good if it's
also affecting your body system.
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So it's like literally causing
linked to health issues,
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that's a sign that your relationship
with food is dysfunctional.
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Okay, so let's go back to truth 2011.
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I said that was 12 years ago.
I actually thought so.
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This is pre kids
when there were definitely signs
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that my health was were was not right.
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But I didn't really think much
about my health back then before kids.
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And I actually truly
thought I was eating healthy
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I would have my cereal in the morning,
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I'd have my white salad sandwich
in at lunch, I'd have a measly bowl
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and maybe like some fruit or something
that snack dinner
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would be made and veg and maybe pasta
and rice and all that sort of stuff.
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And then like, I was just a massive
sweet tooth, though.
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So there were always vanilla
slices and cakes and chocolate
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I loved
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or anything with fruit
So hot cross buns.
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Boston buns,
all of these things I just loved.
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But I really didn't think
that there was an issue
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because I wasn't like
bingeing out on the food.
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However,
what I found was when my health did
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start falling apart after I had kids,
I really started out with some sugar
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addictions
and I was definitely emotional eating,
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especially when I was stressed out
and overwhelmed.
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Sometimes my body
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would even get to the point
where it was like visibly shaking
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and which, you know,
I now know that was like cortisol
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and adrenal stress hormones going
funky, affecting my blood sugar levels.
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But I was just constantly craving
and wanting sugar to pick me up
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emotionally and physically.
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And I remember one time this is
probably a turning point for me,
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but I was in the supermarket
with my toddler and my newborn
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and they were both just screaming
and I was having the worst day ever.
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I was almost about to start crying.
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I had my shopping trolley
and this old lady came up to me
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and she said,
Don't worry, do they grow up?
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And then I just started bursting out
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crying and like, She's so lovely, but
I just was not handling my emotions.
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And so what ended up happening is
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I had this intention to only buy
one packet of hot cross buns.
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But when I got home and I started
unpacking the groceries, it's just like
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I've got three packets of Hot
Cross buns plus a Boston bun
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plus two loads of fruit loaf, like
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what the heck is going on?
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Okay, So that that was kind of
like the way that I was eating
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before I actually came across nutrition
and functional medicine.
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And when I started to go on my healing
journey
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and a book that really,
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I guess was a light bulb moment for me
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was a book called Deep Nutrition
by Catherine Shanahan.
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So her book was all about
how eating the foods
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that I had been eating
could cause cancer
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and could cause inflammation
in my body.
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And at this time,
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I'd experience,
like my own body burn out.
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So it was about a year of like
feeling a lot of intense symptoms
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and feeling like I was an 80 year old.
So I'm reading this book.
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I'm like, Holy crap, the food that I'm
eating is causing me to feel sick.
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What if I could eat healthy
and whole food,
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as this book suggests,
and it could heal my body?
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And so the type of personality
that I am, I'm like, I am all in
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Let's do this.
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And so I completely paved the kitchen.
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I made different food choices.
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Do you remember back back
then, like our kitchen,
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we had this tiny little dingy
rental property and tiny, tiny kitchen,
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but there were things
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fermenting and sprouting and I
was even able to access some raw dairy.
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So I was making my own yoghurt
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and cheeses
and there was no space on the benches.
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Basically,
I was just like making everything
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from scratch the way that my grandma
probably did 100 years ago.
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Okay, so all of that
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was good and well,
but in terms of emotional eating,
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I was still stuck in this love of sugar
and processed food.
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So part of me wanted to eat healthy
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and part of me wanted
to nourish my body with good food.
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But then the other part of me was
feeling really deprived and restricted
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because I hadn't really looked
at the root cause as to why
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I was showing up with these
eating behaviours in the first place.
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I was just looking at the surface
levels like, okay, if I can eat this,
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I'm going to heal my body,
so I'm going to not eat this.
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But then my emotions overtook me,
especially on the weekdays.
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I was quiet, good with healthy eating
and on the weekends
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we would go to social events or family
events and I was just unravelled
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every time I saw like across
tons of vanilla
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slices or cream puffs,
I would want to eat them.
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And I did. And initially
it was just like, This is my treat.
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I've been eating so healthy
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throughout the week
and now I'm going to treat myself
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and I would way over eat this food
because of this
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like it was a year
cycle of being really restricted
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and I need to eat healthy,
to heal my body, to sleep in
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right to the other side, to like I'm
just going to treat myself.
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So there was a lot of
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I wasn't being true to myself, honest
to myself in terms of
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I was just trying to justify
my behavioural patterns.
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And during this time I started studying
clinical nutrition as well and
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I actually was becoming a practitioner
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and so I was still doing this pattern.
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And then all of a sudden
this pattern of eating junk food
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in at the weekend as treats,
I continued doing it, but I had a lot
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of guilt and shame around it
because now I felt like a hypocrite.
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I'm like,
I'm supposed to be like this clinical
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nutritionist and super healthy
and everyone thinks I am and
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I shouldn't be so I shouldn't
be eating that food over there.
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That is the evil food.
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So I put a lot of I put a lot of like
negative emotion on the eating food.
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Yet I didn't stop.
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But the weird thing that I was doing
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was if we went to a social event,
I'd have my plate
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and I'd put like carrot sticks
and celery sticks and like just fruit
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and fruit and veggies.
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There wasn't a lot of choices.
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And I'd have people come up to me
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and they're like,
Oh, you're so healthy, Philly.
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Look at you.
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I wish I could eat like you. Philly.
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It goes,
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okay, Yeah, ego stroking.
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But little did they know
that there was a period of my time
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of this time
where I would actually take the cakes
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and wrap them up in a serviette
and put them in my bag
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to eat later, out of sight.
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That's a very so that's that's a shame
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is something that happens in
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private a lot of the times is,
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Oh, and it was so private.
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I used to even well, I actually had
food for me because she ate it,
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I think.
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But I do remember
there was a period of time, too,
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where I was the wise choice.
Let's be honest.
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I even I even felt shame
eating certain foods around my family.
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And there was probably a part of that
to because I would tell Chris offer,
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I'd tell my mom or my sister's off
or my nieces and nephews,
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Oh, you shouldn't be eating that deep
Nutrition says that can cause cancer.
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And so there was just
a lot of projection of shame.
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Yeah, Yeah.
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So it's the projection.
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And so this will come up
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when a frustration with others
is always in frustration with yourself.
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So the fact that I was getting
frustrated with them
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and their food choices was really
just a reflection around my own
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dysfunctional eating patterns where
I would eat healthy most of the time,
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but then I'd cave and I was weak
and I would eat the things.
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And even then,
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like when I ate the naughty stuff
in exclamation marks,
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it was stress eating.
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And so, like, science tells us that
when you're eating foods, regardless
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of whether it's healthy or unhealthy,
if you're eating it with shame or guilt
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or from a place of stress or overwhelm,
you cannot digest the food properly
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because you're in a chronic state
of fight or flight.
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And so so if you're listening to this
at the moment,
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it's like a little key takeaway
would be if you're still in this cycle,
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gee, just try your hardest
just to enjoy the food
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that you're eating regardless
of what you're eating,
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because you're going to have
a wave at a
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ability to be able
to process the food in a healthy way,
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largely stresses internal stresses
internal.
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We choose what we're stressed about.
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Oh, rewind that.
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And we we have these these
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either unconscious, deeply unconscious,
suppressed right down there
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agreements
that might even be generational
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or cultural,
just so deeply entrenched in our in our
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in our cells genetically or or whatever
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these agreements that we
we do sign off on, we
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we say, yes, I put my hand
up, hand on chest, hand up,
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and I do solemnly swear
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to keep this agreement that if my kids
are crying in the trolley,
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I will be overwhelmed,
I will be stressed about this
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and and see
how is this an internal issue?
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Surely.
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Surely that's normal.
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And it is. It's normal.
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It's normal to have a
have this stress response to
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to to crying kids
in the in the trolley.
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But but the way you can find out
whether or not it's a it's
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it's an opinion issue is is do every
does everybody have that same opinion.
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And the answer is clearly no.
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Not everybody has that
same opinion of you
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that kids are crying
some some would just totally okay.
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And it's not a suppression.
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It's totally okay that they cry.
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So therefore,
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the crying kids in the trolley
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is an air stress
that you're largely choosing to follow.
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And this is programmed in
and you can on program
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that you can delete or or change that.
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But it's going to take a little bit
of digging and a little bit of work to
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to get to that that root.
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And the deeper root with that, too, is
I was embarrassed.
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I'm like,
these kids are making so much noise
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and everyone is going to look at me
and think what a bad mom I am.
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And deep down inside,
I actually think I'm a terrible mom.
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And so of course, like a mother like
that would feel really stressed out
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if their kids are crying in public,
which that's an agreement. Hey.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You.
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So you've you've got this programmed
in way of thinking that
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It's kind
of like if you've got this ledger, Good
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Mum doesn't let kids cry ever.
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And then the adult in you
that that can self coach goes
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and kids can't cry.
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Never, never, never cried,
never crying equals good mum.
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And so when you start to question
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that you unravel these stories
and they stop,
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stop having such a meaningful,
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meaningful expression in your life.
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Yeah,
I had no skills around that back then.
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So like now, if you had those
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skills or skills, you had no skill.
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Not a lot.
00;17;31;02 - 00;17;31;22
Yeah, not a lot.
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I did study psychology,
so I guess I had a bit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I definitely wasn't
doing the work personally for myself.
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Okay, so after a few years of this,
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eating healthy during the week,
bingeing out on the weekend,
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I realised that I came
to this conclusion that the foods
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I was consuming on the weekends,
especially dairy and sugar,
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but more so dairy was harming my body
and not allowing it to fully heal.
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So during this process I started doing
my lab testing and taking supplements
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and all that sort of stuff,
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and I just got to
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the point where I'm just like,
Holy crap, every time I ate dairy,
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which is often mixed up with sugar
and gluten, I just feel crap again.
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And it's so it was almost like
I never felt fully well.
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And so I got to this point
where I'm like, I need to stop
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and listen to my language
because this is the language
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I was using back then.
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I need to stop eating
the naughty foods.
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I need to completely stop.
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I need to go cold turkey.
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Otherwise
my body is never going to heal.
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And so just a little segway.
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We have a
so many people come to us, new clients
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who are just like, I am so overwhelmed
with the amount of information
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about nutrition out there.
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There are so many diets
and a lot of people get stuck in this.
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Is this the right way
of eating straight to cater to?
00;19;00;13 - 00;19;01;06
I eat paleo.
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Should I eat vegan?
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Should I, should I intermittently fast?
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Should I do this?
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This, this, this, this?
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What's the best way to eat?
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And we get really confused
about all of this because it's
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just like bombarding on the internet
all the time.
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And the truth is there
is no best way to eat for everyone,
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which I'll go into it
maybe a bit later.
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But I was looking at my famous diet
book, so Doctor will call again.
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Another functional medicine doctor
in America wrote
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a book called Intuitive Fasting
and on Good reads.
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There were a thousand writings
on this book, and all of them
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there was almost equal
one stars to five stars,
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which just is like crazy.
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I think it just reflects the way
that we are
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so confused
about nutrition in this world.
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So one of the ones on one
side of the issue is intuitive.
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Fasting is like the worst way to eat.
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So a review said
I would have been more,
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I'm going to read this,
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I would have been more
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okay with this book
if it hadn't used the word intuitive.
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There is exactly 000 intuitive things
going on in this book.
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Intuitive eating advocates
not creating a scarcity mindset
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through the three
Creating Forbidden foods.
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This whole book
is about making most food forbidden.
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So there's a bunch of people
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that are just like,
This is the worst diet advice ever.
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And then on the other side of it,
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there's a whole heap of people
on their intuitive fasting bandwagon
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who rave about this type
of eating in this book.
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So a five star review said, I love this
take on intermittent fasting.
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I had dabbled in it
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and through this book
I realised I'd been doing it all wrong.
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It should not be a punitive practice,
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but rather reform is self-love
and self respect.
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I loved learning of all the science
backed benefits of intermittent
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fasting and how to do it in a loving,
intuitive way.
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That en is your body's
natural signalling.
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So it's almost like did
these people read the same book?
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Both of them say, and this?
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I think so.
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I've got something
to say about perspective, right?
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So this is agreements
where we can go through
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experiences in life
and see them through a different lens.
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Are those two those two reviewers
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saw this one book, these words,
this communication written on a page,
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and they experienced it,
they perceived it, they framed it
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completely different,
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one perceived as positive,
one perceived as negative.
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And and I think that that is
a really key point and distinction
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that we can have experience
in our life.
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But just because we experience it
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one way doesn't mean other people
are going to experience it that way.
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Just because we experience that one way
when we're a little kid doesn't
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mean we experience it
that way as an adult.
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And we can we can change
our perspective any time we want.
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Yeah, anything.
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I think it just exemplifies
that there's love
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and hate is in all things
like especially with diet culture
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and it
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makes like it's it creates
this container
00;22;19;23 - 00;22;23;03
of emotional eating or feeling
like you're doing the wrong thing.
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Like sometimes I'll have clients,
you know, in a consult, a new client
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and we go through this.
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Are you Darren, the kind of like
cringing and screwing up their faces?
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I'm like, you know,
looking at what they're eating.
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And then at the end I'm like,
Oh, that looks good.
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Nice and healthy. That's whole food.
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And they're kind of like, Oh yeah, but
I eat some grains like rice.
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I've heard that that's really bad.
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And so it's it's really sad.
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Like it's
creating dysfunctional eating.
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And this is
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this is the space that I was in during
that time where I was doing all types
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of really restrictive healing
diets, went cold turkey didn't touch.
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I remember I touched no sugar,
including even natural forms of sugar,
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like, you know, roll
honey coconut sugar for six months.
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It was hard.
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It was hard because I was doing it
from the energy of fear
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and like, I wasn't going to be able to
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heal myself
if I didn't do it perfectly.
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And I think touching on that,
00;23;26;28 - 00;23;29;10
this naughty bad
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ad evil, that's that's victim speech.
00;23;32;13 - 00;23;34;10
Yeah, it's victim speech.
00;23;34;10 - 00;23;37;13
There's a lot of shame and blame,
hate, guilt, fear
00;23;37;26 - 00;23;41;16
and craving and desire
to tie it up into that language.
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And and I liken it to dictators in
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in politics and government.
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They take away freedom.
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And so when we speak in victim speech,
words in language and communication,
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when we speak in victim victim mode and
with a victim mentality, where really
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write down in our in our soul,
00;24;04;29 - 00;24;07;13
where we're saying
we have no agency here,
00;24;07;13 - 00;24;11;20
we have no ability,
I, I have no agency here.
00;24;12;00 - 00;24;14;04
I have no freedom here.
00;24;14;04 - 00;24;18;07
I must I have to I can't.
00;24;18;19 - 00;24;20;07
I shouldn't.
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And as we all know,
00;24;22;18 - 00;24;26;25
in a dictatorship, in a
in a in a compulsive government,
00;24;27;28 - 00;24;30;05
there will always be a rebellion.
00;24;30;12 - 00;24;35;11
There will always be a a fight against
there's this conflict going on.
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And so what that shows up at is
when it comes to food
00;24;38;23 - 00;24;41;25
is when there's compulsion,
victim mentality,
00;24;43;13 - 00;24;45;25
no agency
00;24;45;28 - 00;24;48;13
the the rebellion is
00;24;49;18 - 00;24;50;12
okay.
00;24;50;14 - 00;24;52;28
The rebellion is the hot cross bun.
00;24;52;28 - 00;24;58;01
The rebellion is the what we call
what we label it as emotional eating.
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It's really just the the little rebel,
you know, that's coming out
00;25;02;15 - 00;25;08;12
and saying, I do have a voice
and I'll rebel against this compulsion.
00;25;08;12 - 00;25;12;15
And there is a eating disorder
called author Alexia,
00;25;12;15 - 00;25;16;01
which actually I believe
I had thought during this period
00;25;16;01 - 00;25;19;25
where it is this obsession
with eating healthy food.
00;25;19;25 - 00;25;22;09
And for some people
they can have orthorexia
00;25;23;04 - 00;25;25;01
and then they have
the little rebel come out
00;25;25;01 - 00;25;26;28
and they're like, Oh,
I'm just going to eat all the things.
00;25;26;28 - 00;25;28;11
And then it's just like this, you know,
00;25;28;11 - 00;25;31;03
just the same way
that someone with bulimia
00;25;31;25 - 00;25;36;01
would binge out and then they'd vomit
and feel guilt and shame around that.
00;25;36;01 - 00;25;38;19
And then they purge out the food
author.
00;25;38;20 - 00;25;40;12
Alexia, it can happen the same way.
00;25;40;12 - 00;25;41;29
When you're eating super healthy,
00;25;41;29 - 00;25;44;16
you really, like obsessed
with what you're eating.
00;25;44;28 - 00;25;47;26
There's right
or wrong, there's naughty and healthy,
00;25;48;26 - 00;25;49;26
and then
00;25;49;26 - 00;25;53;15
you can self self-sabotage
and eat the cake.
00;25;53;15 - 00;25;56;22
Or for some people they don't
touch the stuff like it's evil.
00;25;56;23 - 00;25;58;25
It is evil.
They will die if they eat it.
00;25;59;03 - 00;26;03;06
And so this is this is really damaging,
00;26;03;06 - 00;26;06;25
like not only to like to all layers
of your whole self,
00;26;06;25 - 00;26;10;17
your soul, your spirit, your emotions,
even your physical body.
00;26;11;02 - 00;26;14;14
You will not get the benefits
from eating healthy
00;26;14;23 - 00;26;17;20
If you have author and author, Alexia,
00;26;17;20 - 00;26;20;15
or like emotional eating
00;26;22;25 - 00;26;24;25
patterns show up
00;26;24;25 - 00;26;27;28
regardless of how it shows up. So.
00;26;27;29 - 00;26;28;10
All right.
00;26;28;10 - 00;26;31;09
So during this time
I was doing lab testing as well, which
00;26;31;09 - 00;26;37;01
I really feel helped kind of
get out of this fight or flight cycle.
00;26;37;01 - 00;26;41;11
So when I did my lab testing,
there were some key body systems
00;26;41;11 - 00;26;45;03
that were out of balance
that were just contributing
00;26;45;03 - 00;26;48;25
and amplifying the emotional
eating habits
00;26;48;25 - 00;26;50;27
and patterns
that I had and the thought patterns
00;26;51;27 - 00;26;54;15
and I'm going
to talk a lot about these lab tests
00;26;54;15 - 00;26;56;08
and the body systems
in the master class.
00;26;56;08 - 00;27;00;03
So if you haven't signed up for that,
I would go deep into showing you
00;27;00;03 - 00;27;02;07
all the lab tests
and looking at the markers
00;27;02;07 - 00;27;05;05
and case studies of clients and myself
that we've worked with.
00;27;05;16 - 00;27;09;02
But mine started out with adrenal
fatigue, low progesterone,
00;27;09;02 - 00;27;12;20
low dose for me and Candida,
who all for those
00;27;13;07 - 00;27;17;04
will impact your relationship
with food for most people.
00;27;17;04 - 00;27;21;15
So when someone's in adrenal fatigue,
it's affecting your blood sugar levels.
00;27;21;15 - 00;27;23;11
So every time you're stressed
and you're
00;27;23;11 - 00;27;26;09
producing cortisol dysregulated
horribly,
00;27;27;14 - 00;27;31;00
your blood sugar levels
follow your cortisol.
00;27;31;00 - 00;27;32;17
And then at some point
they're going to crash.
00;27;32;17 - 00;27;37;01
So you are constantly like literally
physiologically wanting more sugar.
00;27;37;16 - 00;27;41;05
Low progesterone means
that a lot of women will experience
00;27;41;05 - 00;27;46;00
PMS in the second half of the cycle
or a week leading up to the cycle.
00;27;46;14 - 00;27;48;27
And if you were like me,
00;27;49;14 - 00;27;51;29
that's
when the cravings really ramped up
00;27;51;29 - 00;27;53;25
and your hormones
are all over the place
00;27;53;25 - 00;27;56;07
and you just want to eat the things
that make you feel good.
00;27;57;04 - 00;27;59;09
Low dopamine is a neurotransmitter
00;27;59;09 - 00;28;03;24
which relates to a lot of things
that you feel good centre
00;28;04;10 - 00;28;10;02
neurotransmitter, but when it's low,
often see that as addictive patterns.
00;28;10;02 - 00;28;12;17
And so that could show up
as food addiction and emotional
00;28;12;17 - 00;28;13;07
eating patterns.
00;28;13;07 - 00;28;16;04
And Candida
thrives on sugar and carbohydrates.
00;28;16;04 - 00;28;20;15
So when you've got an overgrowth
of this fungal infection,
00;28;20;19 - 00;28;23;27
it can literally send signals up
to your brain that you want more sugar,
00;28;23;28 - 00;28;25;01
you want more sugar.
00;28;25;01 - 00;28;26;26
And so when I could start
00;28;26;26 - 00;28;29;29
sort of like tapping
into the physiological side of things
00;28;30;19 - 00;28;34;00
and my emotions started to feel better,
then I could start
00;28;34;00 - 00;28;37;14
working on more of the inner stuff,
which made a huge difference.
00;28;40;14 - 00;28;42;04
Okay, So,
00;28;42;04 - 00;28;46;28
so went on for a few years
and I actually felt like for
00;28;46;28 - 00;28;50;22
a good few years I had a really nice
relationship with food.
00;28;51;07 - 00;28;54;03
That's what I consciously
on the surface level believed
00;28;54;03 - 00;28;57;06
because I was nourishing my body
with good, healthy foods.
00;28;57;06 - 00;28;59;05
I wasn't being overly restrictive.
00;28;59;05 - 00;29;02;15
So, you know,
we would go out to the ice cream shop
00;29;02;15 - 00;29;05;17
and everyone else would get their dairy
ice cream.
00;29;05;17 - 00;29;07;22
And I kind and I get a sorbet in a car.
00;29;07;22 - 00;29;10;05
And so, you know,
I was still eating things
00;29;10;05 - 00;29;13;12
that I considered unhealthy
every now and then.
00;29;13;12 - 00;29;15;19
And I felt pretty good about it.
00;29;15;19 - 00;29;18;26
But if I looked at the deeper levels
00;29;18;26 - 00;29;22;22
and layers, there was still a pattern
of restriction and fear happening.
00;29;22;22 - 00;29;25;13
So my big no go was dairy.
00;29;25;14 - 00;29;28;14
I'm like, I will not eat dairy.
00;29;29;22 - 00;29;32;15
I may consume
other things that are considered
00;29;32;15 - 00;29;37;29
unhealthy every now and then,
but I will not consume
00;29;38;02 - 00;29;41;22
dairy has a lot of identity speech
right there.
00;29;41;22 - 00;29;42;27
That right.
00;29;42;27 - 00;29;45;04
I don't know if you guys can hear
that there.
00;29;45;04 - 00;29;47;01
I will not.
00;29;47;01 - 00;29;50;24
There's like an agreement that your
if you've not just written
00;29;50;24 - 00;29;53;11
and signed the agreement,
you've put it up on your wall
00;29;53;22 - 00;29;57;08
and you've made photocopies
so that your significant other,
00;29;57;08 - 00;30;01;18
your family will look at every time
they walk in the room,
00;30;02;06 - 00;30;04;17
everyone must talk to everyone as well.
00;30;04;17 - 00;30;07;27
Yeah, it's like you're
advertising your dairy.
00;30;08;08 - 00;30;11;28
And so everyone
I trained everyone to not feed me dairy
00;30;11;28 - 00;30;13;09
like they were lovely.
00;30;13;09 - 00;30;15;09
They ended up making salads without.
00;30;15;09 - 00;30;17;14
So you're setting yourself up so.
00;30;17;14 - 00;30;20;13
So here, hearing that language. Right.
00;30;21;04 - 00;30;25;26
Is and this obvious agreement
that you've written for yourself,
00;30;26;21 - 00;30;30;06
you set yourself up for frustration
and stress,
00;30;30;28 - 00;30;33;06
setting yourself up for frustration
and stress
00;30;33;06 - 00;30;35;22
of your own agreeing
00;30;36;17 - 00;30;40;17
stresses and internal stresses
an internal thing.
00;30;41;10 - 00;30;43;09
It's an opinion issue.
00;30;43;09 - 00;30;46;22
Not everybody
has the same opinion as you.
00;30;46;22 - 00;30;48;14
So therefore it's an opinion issue.
00;30;49;17 - 00;30;50;25
And so
00;30;50;25 - 00;30;53;25
nothing's wrong until it is
everything's okay until it's not.
00;30;53;25 - 00;30;56;23
And so this way of behaving
is completely okay
00;30;58;06 - 00;30;58;28
until it's not.
00;30;58;28 - 00;31;01;04
And I think you're going
to get into that.
00;31;01;04 - 00;31;01;17
Yeah.
00;31;01;17 - 00;31;04;25
And I think like
during that time, there definitely
00;31;04;25 - 00;31;08;20
wasn't that obsession
like there had been in the past.
00;31;08;20 - 00;31;13;13
I had growing up, I had relaxed,
I was sick of eating, restricted, but
00;31;13;19 - 00;31;17;01
it was just this really subtle pattern
that was still showing up.
00;31;17;12 - 00;31;19;13
And here's the thing.
00;31;19;13 - 00;31;22;27
The reason
why I chose not to consume dairy
00;31;22;28 - 00;31;26;20
even traces, was because it was
a real trigger food for me.
00;31;26;20 - 00;31;32;05
So it would cause back
inflammation, sinusitis, congestion,
00;31;32;05 - 00;31;36;08
and I would break out
in cystic acne and
00;31;37;16 - 00;31;41;06
now the thing is,
is that maybe some other foods
00;31;41;06 - 00;31;46;11
might have caused a bit of back pain
and low energy like finish or if I had,
00;31;46;12 - 00;31;50;16
you know, a good amount of sugar, but
I would still consume that sometimes.
00;31;50;16 - 00;31;53;21
So the real thing was that I avoided
dairy
00;31;53;27 - 00;31;57;09
as like an evil food or not even evil.
00;31;57;09 - 00;31;58;11
I wasn't using that language.
00;31;58;11 - 00;32;00;23
It was more around,
No, this isn't right for my body.
00;32;00;23 - 00;32;05;29
This isn't right for my body because
I was scared of getting pimples.
00;32;07;12 - 00;32;08;27
I was scared.
00;32;08;27 - 00;32;11;19
So there's this
fear again, the fear with the things.
00;32;11;20 - 00;32;15;26
So I was scared
that my body was reactive
00;32;15;26 - 00;32;20;19
to dairy, that it couldn't handle it,
and that it would show up with pimples.
00;32;20;19 - 00;32;22;14
And I was a functional medicine
practitioner.
00;32;22;14 - 00;32;24;20
At this point in time,
shame is coming in.
00;32;24;20 - 00;32;29;13
And so if I turned up
and I had big pimples all over my face,
00;32;29;13 - 00;32;34;01
then everyone would think I was
a no good practitioner.
00;32;34;28 - 00;32;37;00
And so I said, okay, yeah.
00;32;37;01 - 00;32;39;08
So that's what I mean by this subtle
pattern, really.
00;32;39;23 - 00;32;42;12
And I hope as I'm talking about this,
you might
00;32;42;13 - 00;32;46;06
you might have even been listening
to this podcast and maybe not thinking
00;32;46;06 - 00;32;48;15
that you had emotional eating issues,
00;32;49;13 - 00;32;51;21
but you just like, Oh,
this will be an interesting story.
00;32;51;21 - 00;32;54;21
But as I'm chatting,
you might actually be like, Oh, he,
00;32;54;25 - 00;32;58;16
I hope that you're just unpacking
your relationship with food
00;32;58;16 - 00;33;02;06
and seeing if there's any dysfunctions
underneath your patterns.
00;33;03;27 - 00;33;04;06
But the
00;33;04;06 - 00;33;09;13
skin, the skin thing is really common
for a lot of women that we we associate
00;33;09;13 - 00;33;12;23
the food that we're eating in terms of
how it's going to show up on our body.
00;33;12;23 - 00;33;13;22
So that would either be
00;33;13;22 - 00;33;17;10
like skin issues,
especially the face or weight issues.
00;33;17;16 - 00;33;19;17
Oh, I can't eat that.
I shouldn't eat that.
00;33;19;17 - 00;33;21;12
I'm going to put on weight.
00;33;21;12 - 00;33;23;15
I'm not going to fit into my jeans
if I have that.
00;33;23;15 - 00;33;27;00
Oh, I'm going to break out in eczema
or acne if I eat that.
00;33;27;16 - 00;33;29;12
Sorry. It's so.
00;33;29;12 - 00;33;35;08
Although on one side of the lac,
on one side of the fence,
00;33;35;19 - 00;33;39;16
it is loving like it's
you are listening to your body,
00;33;39;16 - 00;33;41;11
you're listening
to signs of inflammation.
00;33;41;11 - 00;33;45;24
But on the other side of the fence,
personally, for me there was still fear
00;33;46;11 - 00;33;48;29
and shame hidden underneath that.
00;33;49;01 - 00;33;52;15
Or I'd probably say it's not love,
I'd say it's pride.
00;33;52;24 - 00;33;53;10
I'd say it's.
00;33;53;10 - 00;33;56;27
I say, You getting up into pride right
where it's demanding.
00;33;57;00 - 00;34;00;28
You're
you're demanding a way of of eating
00;34;01;24 - 00;34;04;05
love is the distinction.
00;34;04;19 - 00;34;07;09
Love is
okay if you do okay If you don't
00;34;08;20 - 00;34;10;13
love is okay if you do
00;34;10;13 - 00;34;13;22
okay if you don't and and pride is
00;34;15;01 - 00;34;17;24
not okay if I do, okay if I don't.
00;34;18;02 - 00;34;18;25
Right.
00;34;18;27 - 00;34;21;21
So that's so pride
is pride is the level
00;34;21;21 - 00;34;24;21
that which which is attached
to the emotion of scorn.
00;34;25;07 - 00;34;28;26
It's dairy score on your husband.
00;34;29;10 - 00;34;32;18
You should you don't you know
00;34;32;19 - 00;34;36;11
it's not gluten It's
very that I do not eat.
00;34;36;18 - 00;34;39;13
Have you not looked at the contract
that I printed out
00;34;39;13 - 00;34;42;11
17 times and put in our house?
00;34;42;14 - 00;34;43;10
Oh, this is funny.
00;34;43;10 - 00;34;46;18
Although this comes at the emotion,
I might save that story.
00;34;46;18 - 00;34;49;11
I'm going to write that down and I'm
going to talk about that at the end,
00;34;49;18 - 00;34;52;03
because that happened the other day
and I was just like, crap,
00;34;52;17 - 00;34;53;23
That just came out of my mouth.
00;34;54;22 - 00;34;55;10
Okay.
00;34;55;10 - 00;34;57;27
Oh, cool. COVID happened.
00;34;57;28 - 00;35;02;20
So if you listen to my Healing
Journey story on episode two,
00;35;02;21 - 00;35;05;22
you would have heard about
I had a significant health flare up
00;35;05;22 - 00;35;07;15
during COVID.
00;35;08;02 - 00;35;11;22
One symptom in particular
was excessive amounts
00;35;11;22 - 00;35;15;12
like my heartburn basically was back
that had been there for about 15 years.
00;35;15;12 - 00;35;16;16
And then I did functional medicine
00;35;16;16 - 00;35;18;08
and gut healing
and all that sort of stuff.
00;35;18;08 - 00;35;20;24
And I was pretty good
for about five years,
00;35;21;19 - 00;35;23;12
pretty much symptom free and thought.
00;35;23;12 - 00;35;25;16
And then COVID happened.
The heartburn came back
00;35;25;16 - 00;35;28;16
with a vengeance,
tried to do all the same things.
00;35;28;16 - 00;35;29;23
A lot of testing the supplements.
00;35;29;23 - 00;35;31;26
They didn't work this time.
00;35;31;26 - 00;35;35;25
And it also affected my relationship
with food again,
00;35;35;25 - 00;35;38;27
because all of a sudden
I started noticing that foods
00;35;38;27 - 00;35;41;02
high in histamine
and I love all the foods
00;35;41;02 - 00;35;46;06
high in histamine, that's like avocado
dough and bananas and nuts and seeds
00;35;46;06 - 00;35;49;29
and salmon like, Oh, how delicious
00;35;49;29 - 00;35;52;28
chocolate this is grief, grief speech.
00;35;53;04 - 00;35;55;10
It's so it was horrible.
00;35;55;10 - 00;35;56;24
It's just like not tragic.
00;35;56;24 - 00;35;58;27
Not only was the heartburn again,
flaming
00;35;58;27 - 00;36;01;11
heck and I can't fix it this time.
00;36;01;11 - 00;36;02;27
Everything I did last time.
00;36;02;27 - 00;36;03;21
So there was shame.
00;36;03;21 - 00;36;06;09
Again, as a practitioner
that I can't fix it.
00;36;06;11 - 00;36;07;07
That's apathy.
00;36;07;07 - 00;36;10;01
As what type of practitioner am I can't
00;36;10;28 - 00;36;14;17
Yeah can't can't car
And then it was like far out.
00;36;14;17 - 00;36;18;15
I do not want to go back to restricted
eating again like I did last time.
00;36;18;15 - 00;36;21;17
I did the low histamine diet
in the past, which was really hard.
00;36;22;15 - 00;36;25;11
It got the healing
benefits that I needed, but I was just
00;36;25;11 - 00;36;28;20
I put my foot down and I'm like, no,
because I have a philosophy
00;36;28;20 - 00;36;32;07
that a healthy body should be able
to eat all healthy foods.
00;36;33;04 - 00;36;35;20
So I should be able to eat tomorrow.
00;36;35;20 - 00;36;37;18
I should be able to eat nuts.
00;36;37;18 - 00;36;40;22
I should be able to
eat like my beautiful vegan
00;36;41;29 - 00;36;43;16
natural chocolate.
00;36;43;16 - 00;36;45;21
I should
be able to eat all these foods.
00;36;46;05 - 00;36;48;18
And that's pride speech again.
00;36;49;15 - 00;36;52;13
And it's hard to rise it
up to the level of courage,
00;36;52;13 - 00;36;56;03
which is energetically
like a little bit more positive.
00;36;56;03 - 00;36;59;09
They're a lot more positive,
I should say.
00;36;59;27 - 00;37;02;06
That would be,
00;37;02;26 - 00;37;04;29
I believe I could.
00;37;05;15 - 00;37;07;10
A healthy body.
00;37;07;10 - 00;37;09;21
Not saying a healthy body should.
00;37;09;21 - 00;37;12;26
It's it's I have got a belief
00;37;13;00 - 00;37;17;13
that it's feasible for you
see how it's just a little bit.
00;37;17;13 - 00;37;19;01
Yes it's a little bit higher there.
00;37;19;01 - 00;37;21;00
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
00;37;21;00 - 00;37;23;13
It definitely wasn't
using that language that I was just
00;37;24;08 - 00;37;29;14
blaming angry, but just dropping it
angry, dropping and bounce and pride.
00;37;29;14 - 00;37;31;04
Anger, pride, anger.
00;37;31;04 - 00;37;33;13
Which is interesting.
00;37;33;13 - 00;37;36;04
We always think about symptoms
as symbols,
00;37;36;17 - 00;37;39;16
like what's not what's more angry
00;37;39;16 - 00;37;44;02
than raging heartburn
that's acidic and burning in my throat?
00;37;44;02 - 00;37;46;14
I thought you're going to say,
what's more angry than a wife
00;37;47;00 - 00;37;51;13
to her husband who brings her
dairy and gluten ridden cookies?
00;37;52;25 - 00;37;53;11
Okay.
00;37;53;11 - 00;37;55;20
Anyway, so sorry.
00;37;55;20 - 00;37;56;18
I got to a point
00;37;56;18 - 00;37;59;20
where I really I'm just like, I'm
not going on a restricted diet again.
00;38;00;06 - 00;38;02;01
And I just pretty much Band-Aid
00;38;02;01 - 00;38;05;18
Band-Aid at the heartburn
with every time I ate meals.
00;38;05;18 - 00;38;09;05
Basically, I just chow down
heaps of ginger tablets.
00;38;09;05 - 00;38;13;05
So using a natural supplement,
which helped to ease the heartburn,
00;38;13;05 - 00;38;15;17
but it wasn't
addressing the root cause.
00;38;15;17 - 00;38;18;26
And then there was
a bunch of other stuff happening.
00;38;18;26 - 00;38;19;15
You can go back
00;38;19;15 - 00;38;22;17
and listen to the episode too,
when I share my full story, but
00;38;22;17 - 00;38;27;01
basically I did some deep in earth
healing work in 2022
00;38;27;12 - 00;38;31;28
just last year,
which really changed my life.
00;38;31;28 - 00;38;35;01
But about four and a half months
into that,
00;38;35;06 - 00;38;38;21
my heartburn disappeared.
00;38;39;02 - 00;38;43;19
Oh, click Always What I discovered
00;38;43;19 - 00;38;47;15
and what I had to come face
to face with was that my heartburn
00;38;47;15 - 00;38;51;28
was not actually connected to food
or even histamine intolerance,
00;38;52;26 - 00;38;55;07
but it
was because I wasn't trusting my body.
00;38;55;15 - 00;38;59;09
So deep down I still believed
my body was weak and incapable
00;38;59;09 - 00;39;00;18
and somehow broken.
00;39;00;18 - 00;39;05;06
And even though I had this
grand philosophy that a healthy body
00;39;05;06 - 00;39;09;10
should be able to eat all healthy
foods, there was a part of me
00;39;10;14 - 00;39;13;00
that didn't actually believe I was up
00;39;13;00 - 00;39;15;27
to that, that I was able to have that.
00;39;16;03 - 00;39;18;04
I believed it for everyone else.
00;39;18;04 - 00;39;20;27
But my
but I didn't believe it for my body.
00;39;20;27 - 00;39;24;26
And when I was able to do some really
deep, you know, work around that,
00;39;26;02 - 00;39;30;10
the most beautiful thing happened
where heartburn disappeared.
00;39;30;10 - 00;39;33;04
It was actually
a beautiful spiritual moment
00;39;33;26 - 00;39;35;29
that lasted for three days.
00;39;36;17 - 00;39;40;03
I'll put a link to a video
I shared last year about it
00;39;40;04 - 00;39;42;04
if you wanted to listen back on that.
00;39;42;04 - 00;39;43;19
But during this time too,
00;39;43;19 - 00;39;47;11
I said, okay,
this is like a little test for myself.
00;39;47;11 - 00;39;50;06
If I truly trust my body
00;39;50;27 - 00;39;53;24
that it can be whole and healthy,
00;39;54;17 - 00;39;57;14
then I think I'm going
to try and eat some dairy
00;39;58;22 - 00;40;01;23
because I still secret
secretly fearing, eating the dairy
00;40;01;23 - 00;40;05;16
because of the whole pimples and acne
and my self image thing.
00;40;06;21 - 00;40;10;07
And so that's that's neutral speech
right there.
00;40;10;07 - 00;40;11;01
That's trust.
00;40;11;01 - 00;40;13;15
It's okay if I do okay if I don't.
00;40;13;16 - 00;40;15;04
Yeah, I'm going to give it a go.
00;40;15;04 - 00;40;17;24
We'll see what happens.
00;40;17;24 - 00;40;20;01
Yeah. The scientist and, and Yeah.
00;40;20;03 - 00;40;20;21
So I did,
00;40;20;21 - 00;40;24;12
I actually started approaching it
just like I would open up a lab test.
00;40;24;12 - 00;40;26;08
It's like, Oh, what have we got here?
00;40;26;08 - 00;40;27;18
Oh, okay.
00;40;27;18 - 00;40;30;21
And so I went into that
rather than fear
00;40;30;21 - 00;40;33;25
and anxiety around the fact that
if I eat dairy, I might get pimples.
00;40;33;25 - 00;40;35;14
I'm like, You know what, buddy?
00;40;35;14 - 00;40;39;09
I actually kind of hope
I do get pimples, at least initially,
00;40;39;25 - 00;40;46;02
maybe only initially, because
then I can work through this issue.
00;40;46;02 - 00;40;50;29
I have with my skin and what I think
other people are thinking about me.
00;40;51;08 - 00;40;53;27
And so it so happened, Oh, my goodness,
00;40;53;27 - 00;40;57;03
the body gives us the best lessons
I did for a good month.
00;40;57;03 - 00;40;59;07
I started eating
small amounts of dairy.
00;40;59;07 - 00;41;00;16
I felt totally fine.
00;41;00;16 - 00;41;03;07
None of the other symptoms
showed up in my body at all.
00;41;03;17 - 00;41;06;09
And by the way,
I had been doing a lot of brain
00;41;06;09 - 00;41;10;02
retraining and nervous system work
to get to this point as well as years
00;41;10;02 - 00;41;13;02
earlier,
The physical gut healing stuff.
00;41;15;26 - 00;41;18;05
And and yeah, and so it
00;41;18;05 - 00;41;21;15
definitely wasn't cystic acne, but I
had some people show up and, you know,
00;41;21;16 - 00;41;24;25
I was able to work through that
and I had some heartburn flare outs
00;41;24;25 - 00;41;29;08
because I started believing that I was
ugly and I was a no good practitioner
00;41;29;08 - 00;41;30;05
because of my skin.
00;41;30;05 - 00;41;32;06
And then I work through that and blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
00;41;33;13 - 00;41;36;10
But now I eat dairy.
00;41;37;09 - 00;41;40;24
I even went to my parents
house in my family
00;41;40;24 - 00;41;45;15
and they're like, Oh, oh, you eat dairy
now you're eating dairy again.
00;41;45;15 - 00;41;47;03
I'm like, Here I am.
00;41;47;03 - 00;41;47;17
I am.
00;41;47;17 - 00;41;50;19
Because my body can
I've printed out these new contracts.
00;41;50;19 - 00;41;52;11
You can, you can install on your wall.
00;41;52;11 - 00;41;54;19
I've laminated them
and put them in a nice frame.
00;41;55;00 - 00;41;56;23
Every time you walk into the room,
you can.
00;41;56;23 - 00;42;01;06
You now know my identity is based
on the agreement I make for myself.
00;42;01;07 - 00;42;04;03
So it's always like
I'll come full circle.
00;42;04;20 - 00;42;08;14
Look, I'm still conscious of what
I still choose my relationship
00;42;08;14 - 00;42;09;09
with food now.
00;42;09;09 - 00;42;09;17
And look,
00;42;09;17 - 00;42;11;17
maybe I'll do another podcast
in two years time
00;42;11;17 - 00;42;14;22
because it might have changed
my relationship with food now
00;42;14;22 - 00;42;18;05
I feel is quite is very wholesome.
00;42;19;12 - 00;42;21;16
It's intuitive, maybe not intuitive.
00;42;21;16 - 00;42;26;07
Fasting like Wilko sets out keto
intuitive fasting, but it's intuitive.
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I, I use the messages for my body.
00;42;30;07 - 00;42;31;26
Body? What do I want?
00;42;31;26 - 00;42;33;27
What does my body need right now?
00;42;33;27 - 00;42;37;03
But I also use food for pleasure
and happiness too.
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And so it's like whatever I choose.
00;42;39;01 - 00;42;41;14
It's almost like my body
00;42;41;14 - 00;42;42;23
moves towards the food.
00;42;42;23 - 00;42;44;25
That sounds really weird,
but it's almost like I'm
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leaning towards whatever food.
00;42;46;08 - 00;42;50;07
If I was at a social event
with a big table
00;42;50;07 - 00;42;53;01
of plated food, I won't eat all of it.
00;42;53;10 - 00;42;56;14
I'll just intuitively eat
what I emotionally
00;42;56;14 - 00;42;59;13
want to eat as well as what
I physically want to eat.
00;42;59;27 - 00;43;04;27
And that's been really,
really beautiful and freeing.
00;43;06;06 - 00;43;10;15
If you followed me around for a week,
you would see that I don't eat perfect
00;43;10;15 - 00;43;13;25
like you might expect
a clinical nutritionist to eat,
00;43;14;21 - 00;43;19;09
but I eat what brings me joy
and what makes my body feel good.
00;43;20;09 - 00;43;23;07
And I want that for you to.
00;43;23;07 - 00;43;25;07
You know what? So that's nice.
00;43;25;07 - 00;43;28;05
Oh, good. Good job. High five.
00;43;28;05 - 00;43;30;22
The next level of growth
I foresee for you.
00;43;30;23 - 00;43;31;17
Oh, okay.
00;43;31;17 - 00;43;35;13
Is to not rely on food for joy.
00;43;36;14 - 00;43;39;00
Because at the end of the day,
I don't think I do.
00;43;39;02 - 00;43;41;07
Well, you get joy throughout, maybe.
00;43;41;07 - 00;43;42;03
Sure.
00;43;42;03 - 00;43;45;19
But the language,
the language that you use clearly shows
00;43;45;19 - 00;43;49;27
that you do
have have a reliance on on this.
00;43;49;27 - 00;43;52;08
And if we're talking about
emotional eating,
00;43;52;28 - 00;43;56;10
what I would invite you, dear
listeners,
00;43;56;10 - 00;43;59;09
to to consider is
00;44;01;04 - 00;44;04;16
are you okay if you do, okay
if you don't
00;44;04;20 - 00;44;09;00
and when when
when something happens outside of you,
00;44;10;01 - 00;44;13;02
does that make you feel something?
00;44;13;13 - 00;44;17;12
And sorry, home
ought to have that happen.
00;44;17;21 - 00;44;20;16
It's so normal for for
00;44;20;16 - 00;44;22;29
when something happens,
you get stressed,
00;44;22;29 - 00;44;25;15
voicing,
saying the metaphysical reasons
00;44;25;15 - 00;44;28;03
that we become stressed,
the metaphysical reasons
00;44;28;03 - 00;44;31;14
our nervous system
starts to become dysregulated.
00;44;31;14 - 00;44;33;20
It is largely within our control.
00;44;35;10 - 00;44;38;08
Stress is
00;44;38;10 - 00;44;39;23
internal.
00;44;39;24 - 00;44;40;25
We choose it.
00;44;40;25 - 00;44;43;08
It's usually an opinion issue.
00;44;43;08 - 00;44;46;28
And when we outsource the the power
or the
00;44;46;28 - 00;44;50;08
the responsibility for our happiness
to something outside of ourselves,
00;44;50;08 - 00;44;53;23
when we rely on food,
it makes me feel good.
00;44;53;28 - 00;44;56;08
It makes me feel happy.
00;44;56;08 - 00;44;58;19
You see, see the language distinction
there.
00;44;58;27 - 00;45;04;18
It's just gives our power away a
little bit and it's it's totally fine.
00;45;04;18 - 00;45;09;14
It's okay to to eat food
that that feels good
00;45;09;19 - 00;45;12;26
and brings joy.
00;45;12;26 - 00;45;14;26
Just just notice
00;45;15;14 - 00;45;19;03
when it's becoming a problem,
it's probably
00;45;19;03 - 00;45;23;01
because you're eating food to be happy.
00;45;23;21 - 00;45;25;08
So being
00;45;25;17 - 00;45;29;06
being able to identify, well,
what's actually stressing me out here
00;45;29;25 - 00;45;32;25
and how am I actually feeling?
00;45;32;25 - 00;45;36;04
Oh wow, I'm
eating food to make me feel good.
00;45;36;12 - 00;45;38;00
So now I'm giving my power away.
00;45;38;00 - 00;45;42;02
This is it's part of
the work is to to uncover that stuff.
00;45;42;19 - 00;45;45;04
It's the root cause. Awesome.
00;45;46;12 - 00;45;47;08
Just in
00;45;47;08 - 00;45;50;05
reference to
you starting to coach me on a podcast,
00;45;50;21 - 00;45;53;16
I had some reflection
as you were talking about that.
00;45;53;16 - 00;45;56;15
This is a thing
Chris and I are here for our own
00;45;56;22 - 00;45;59;27
evolution and we evolved as well.
00;46;00;08 - 00;46;03;20
Like we know that we are going
to be doing this work until the day
00;46;03;20 - 00;46;07;20
that we die and even beyond,
and we are okay with that.
00;46;07;20 - 00;46;10;15
And we want to share our journey
00;46;11;05 - 00;46;14;21
of evolving with you too,
so that you realise
00;46;14;21 - 00;46;16;24
that it's not like once and done
00;46;17;08 - 00;46;20;17
or you might put some people
up on a pedestal and be like, Oh,
00;46;20;17 - 00;46;22;29
they've got all their stuff together.
It's like, you know what?
00;46;23;02 - 00;46;25;09
It's just like constant
course correction every day.
00;46;26;09 - 00;46;30;13
But I little story I wanted to share
that I think signifies that there's
00;46;30;13 - 00;46;34;18
a bit of work for me still to do
is that Chris did bring home a cookie
00;46;35;13 - 00;46;38;28
from relic where there's nothing
like any of it wasn't even
00;46;38;28 - 00;46;43;04
it was like a cake slash cookie
and it was gluten free,
00;46;43;27 - 00;46;47;22
but it had a lot of white
chocolate and dark chocolate in it.
00;46;48;08 - 00;46;49;06
And he put it on the table.
00;46;49;06 - 00;46;51;25
It's like, Oh, I got you a gluten free
cookie. And I opened it.
00;46;51;25 - 00;46;54;04
I said, Yeah, but does it have dairy?
00;46;54;04 - 00;46;55;27
Because dairy is the one that.
00;46;55;27 - 00;47;01;00
And then I stopped myself and like,
Oh no, I do eat dairy.
00;47;01;08 - 00;47;04;09
Dairy is okay, Dairy is safe for me.
00;47;05;06 - 00;47;08;14
But just the fact that I had that
I said that out
00;47;08;14 - 00;47;13;04
loud means that there's still
some more rewiring yet for me to do.
00;47;13;04 - 00;47;15;01
And Chris okay with that.
00;47;15;01 - 00;47;16;13
Chris is like, get it,
00;47;16;13 - 00;47;19;06
You know, you to say I don't eat dairy
so I can eat your cookie.
00;47;19;29 - 00;47;22;18
And I did just to prove the point
proved the point.
00;47;22;18 - 00;47;25;26
And it's probably like pride
but then no, but then too
00;47;25;26 - 00;47;29;00
like so I wasn't sending wrong messages
to my body.
00;47;29;00 - 00;47;31;18
I like did that self-talk.
I even said it out loud.
00;47;31;26 - 00;47;34;19
Then I consumed some of the cookie
00;47;34;19 - 00;47;37;26
and then I'm like, This doesn't even
taste that nice, but I don't want it.
00;47;39;18 - 00;47;40;25
And then Chris ate it.
00;47;40;25 - 00;47;44;10
And then Chris is like, God,
you've got to heat it up a little bit.
00;47;44;21 - 00;47;47;05
Make that chocolate drizzle
down the side.
00;47;47;15 - 00;47;48;22
But I just wanted to add that
00;47;48;22 - 00;47;52;03
especially for people who
maybe might not have emotional eating
00;47;52;03 - 00;47;55;02
or you might have this in it,
but you have a lot of food reactions.
00;47;55;02 - 00;47;56;25
The way that we talk ourselves
00;47;56;25 - 00;47;59;11
and to our body
and about how I just talked and
00;48;01;05 - 00;48;05;01
is going to be a self-fulfilling
prophecy, either good or bad.
00;48;05;01 - 00;48;08;24
We might do a podcast that so you can
always find where the compulsion is,
00;48;08;24 - 00;48;13;21
where that freedom is being taken away
because you're Hi,
00;48;14;07 - 00;48;16;22
I'm am I okay to not eat this?
00;48;16;22 - 00;48;18;06
No, I want the cookie.
00;48;18;06 - 00;48;19;29
Right.
You've got some compulsion there.
00;48;19;29 - 00;48;22;00
Like what's underneath that?
That's interesting.
00;48;22;00 - 00;48;23;17
Why you've got your face
full of cookie.
00;48;23;17 - 00;48;26;13
Let's have a think about that.
Okay, Let's finish this thought.
00;48;26;13 - 00;48;29;05
I thought we might go down
some more coaching rabbit holes.
00;48;29;09 - 00;48;30;17
Yeah. Awesome.
00;48;30;17 - 00;48;31;05
Sounds good.
00;48;31;05 - 00;48;35;17
Hey, do you want to do just lastly
mentioned the Natural Medicine Week.
00;48;35;17 - 00;48;36;05
Yeah. Yes.
00;48;36;05 - 00;48;38;21
And that's your medicine
we kicking off next week.
00;48;38;21 - 00;48;40;17
We're running a webinar called The Root
00;48;40;17 - 00;48;42;24
Cause of Emotional Eating,
which will have the link down there.
00;48;43;02 - 00;48;45;13
Jump on the website to our webcast.
00;48;45;13 - 00;48;46;24
Doesn't really tickle your fancy.
00;48;46;24 - 00;48;49;21
There are hates and hates of online
events run
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by accredited practitioners
from all over Australia.
00;48;53;12 - 00;48;54;28
They all look amazing.
00;48;54;28 - 00;48;58;21
So Check out Natural Medicine Week
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