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Hello? It's Filly here. Just a quick announcement before we jump into today's episode. Natural Medicine Week, hosted by Australian traditional Medicine Society, is coming up on the 22nd to the 28th of May. I'm a proud ambassador for Natural Medicine Week, which showcases all the many ways natural medicine can restore the body and mind. With live online events run by qualified practitioners across Australia.
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You can check out the link in the show notes to find your way to Natural Medicine Week as part of the event. I'll be holding a special free root cause of emotional eating masterclass, which you can sign up for via the Natural Medicine Week websites. During the Masterclass, I'll be digging into emotional eating, food addictions, sugar cravings and the hidden imbalances in the body that caused this behaviour, as well as the metaphysical imbalances that are at the deepest root cause of emotional eating.
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Hope you can make it okay. On to today's episode.
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Hello and welcome to the Ending Body Burn Out Show, where your hosts, Chris and Filly co-founders of Multi award winning Functional Medicine Practice, serving busy people with energy mood and got issues. Well, busyness, overworking, addictive doing and perfectionism might be the norm. It's not normal and it's a major contributor to health issues. Our goal with this show is to give you a holistic root cause approach to healing your body so that you don't have to continue doctor or diet hopping or popping a gazillion supplements hoping something might stick.
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So get ready to heal your body, get your spark back deeply, connect with yourself, and step into the life of your dreams. Let's dive in.
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Last year, Filly did a joint webinar with internationally renowned functional medicine expert Dr. Daniel KALISH for Natural Medicine Week. It was fantastic convo in a deep dive into fatigue, including long haul COVID, which has affected up to 34% of COVID infected people. With Natural Medicine Week coming up this month from the 22nd to the 28th May. We thought we'd share our interview with Dr. KALISH today on the Ending body burn out show in celebration of Natural Medicine Week.
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Dr. Kalish is the founder of Kalish Institute for Functional Medicine. Dr. Kalish has trained over 5000 practitioners on building successful functional medicine practices. Founded in 2006, the Kalish Institute teaches clinical application and patient communication techniques through a hands on case based approach. Dr. Kalish is an Institute of Functional Medicine, certified practitioner and the author of three books on functional medicine and a notable speaker at Global Integrative Medicine Conferences.
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Hey, thank you so much, Dr. Kalish, for joining us. So Chris has just given us so much awesome dimension about you and your bio and all the wonderful things that you have done. I personally have been mentored by Dr. Correlation. Think I was in your mentorship for about four years. So you have your big one, you one and oh my goodness, it was both life changing for me.
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So I was very sick when I came to Dr. Kalish's been at Mama to try to be with my practice. I was sick, sick, sick. And so everything that you taught me and that you helped me to heal my body has literally been life changing. And then also, from a practice point of view, from it, like our business is thriving and helping so many other people with your system.
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So I am so grateful for you. So Chris mentioned in your bio, so you're the founder of the Institute of Functional Medicine. So I am teaching other practitioners and doctors all around the world. I your system also today he mentioned that you where you initially my question for you would be why did you get into functional medicine yourself personally?
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Yeah, there were a lot of reasons. I mean, I think, well, the primary ones was that I had I was living in Thailand for a couple of years, actually in a monastery in southern Thailand, and I got pretty sick. And when I came back to the United States, I had kind of like a mild version of kind of fatigue, you know, And so that went on for quite a few years.
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And then I found a functional medicine doctor that basically fixed it almost overnight. And so that made me just think, wow, this is something, you know, worth checking out. And I think that's true for a lot of practitioners that they have a personal experience with this stuff, too. Kind of gets them involved, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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It's my experience to what I mentioned as well. Speaking Chinese, there is solutions to these ongoing issues. So in Australia, functional medicine is still not that common. So when someone says to me, Oh, what do you do? You have a functional medicine practice, they look at me really weird, like, what is that? So I'm imagining if our listeners today Australian say, can you explain what functional medicine means?
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Yeah, so functional medicine, it's it's always a bit of a mystery. And I always tell people that you should have a one sentence description for what it is. And the one sentence description is that in functional medicine we look for the underlying cause of health problems and then we use most of the time natural or non-prescription agents to fix it.
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Lifestyle and non-prescription related treatments, including vitamins and minerals and amino acids and things like that. And I think a broader explanation may be the way that fluctuations have developed over time is that it's been mostly devoted to treating chronic health problems. That medicine doesn't do so well with conventional medicine doesn't do so well with. But I hope that that changes you know, I think it should be something that's just used for everybody all the time and not reserved for people who are just conventional medicine failures, you know, But that's kind of how the field is developed.
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Yeah, actually, I it was interesting when I was doing your mentorship, so initially when I first joined correct me if I'm wrong, but I felt like it was a lot of natural therapies practitioners, but by the end of the like year three or four, a lot more doctors coming medical. It's like 70% medical doctors now. And it was when I started the classes in 2006, it was 10%.
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Unknown
Wow. So crazy that it just it makes sense. I mean, I think medical like traditional medical modern medicine has its place for sure. But it just it doesn't do what function medicine does, which is why I love this work. So our topic today is all around tea and energy. And I know a lot of people struggle with burnout and brain fog and exhaustion, and a lot of people just think it's the norm.
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Ask a bunch of people on the street and they're like, Yeah, I need to have a nap today. Like, I actually napping is not normal. There's something going on there. So I want to dive into what you believe in the heat and causes of fatigue. But before we do that, what do you find?
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How do people go wrong when they're trying to address their fatigue and energy issues? What are like some mistakes that people make? Well, people start doing things that are good. I guess I address underlying cause, so they may be turn to sugar or caffeine or some other way of sort of stimulating themselves. That's not, in the long run going to be very beneficial, you know?
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Yeah, yep, yep. A lot of our clients that we work with parents and so yoga function, we work and parenting and, and sometimes you are just using those. What are they good not supplements, stimulants, stimulants just to keep you going. And I actually remember I had someone a while ago but I'm like, how do you energy. Yeah it's great.
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Ten out of ten. And then as we went through Case history and diet, got to the caffeine part of it, these drinking like ten coffees a day, I'm like, okay, how do you feel like you're not changing the caffeine? Because like, I don't know. I actually went to find out right. All right. Can we dive into the three?
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He didn't cause his fatigue. And I'd love you to chat about the body systems because I use the term hidden because, again, like a lot of people just think it's normal to be fatigued, and it's just part of being a parent or a business owner or working or, you know, a lot of people have a fast paced life, but can you go into the physiology or the physical imbalances that can happen in the body that then can cause fatigue issues?
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Unknown
Yeah, if you can, you allow screen sharing and I can share some some of the details on this. So, you know, I think that's one of the things in functional medicine philosophy. This is kind of hard to get. Do you see that now yet? That's fine. This is what this one's kind of hard to get, is that you can have many reasons why people have one symptom for sure, and you can have many symptoms from one thing.
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That's it's that's hard to wrap your mind around so that it's like if you're tired all the time, it could be coming because you have an adrenal or thyroid problem or neurotransmitter or brain problem or mitochondrial energy production problem. They all cause fatigue, you know, And at the same time, let's say you have a mitochondrial problem, you could have fatigue and depression and high cholesterol because your mitochondrial problem, you know, so in other words, a single problem like with the energy systems of the mitochondria can cause a whole bunch of different symptoms, five or ten or 15 symptoms.
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And the reverse is true, too. You can have multiple systems that cause the same symptom. That makes it really confusing because in conventional medicine there's not so much ambiguity. You know, you have high cholesterol, you take a drug, you have high blood pressure, you take a different drug, you have a certain amount of chest pain. They do workup, see if you had a heart attack.
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So there's like clarity and and algorithms in conventional medicine that one plus two equals three pretty much 100% of the time. You know, And if medicine we accept the vagaries of the body being a systems run thing, you know, it's not like linear. We're not linear, you know. So anyway, so the three major things that can cause fatigue and this is not always true, but usually it's one of these trees would be adrenal slash thyroid or brain related issues, neurotransmission related issues, low neurotransmitters, or it could be mitochondrial related.
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And so we do testing, you know, to figure out which one it might be. MM Yeah, I think that's what really drew me towards functional medicine. And like specifically your system as well is that I was practising as a nutritional medicine practitioner or clinical nutritionist, first and foremost to try and get myself excited even after everything I knew about supplements and diet and, you know, symptoms might be from this body system.
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I still didn't know and sorry, I only got so far with my own healing. And then I remember I actually came across you. It was in a female hormone form, the week long thing and kind of like this sort of situation. And I'm like, Oh my goodness, okay, right. I need to do these these tests to actually figure out what's going on so I can treat it properly.
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So do you feel like so I agree. I feel like your endocrine system is kind of like the big focus when it comes to energy and fatigue. What about gotten detox system? Have you seen that like clinically as well with your patients energy vehicles from those areas? Yeah, I mean, I would I would say two things. So I would say, one, if you have fatigue, you have a gut microbiome problem, you kind of have to.
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So in other words, you know, if you and the reverse is true too, if your gut microbiome is perfect here, yoga is really in perfect shape. You have all the good bacteria, you're not going to be tired. So that that those things are incompatible. If your gut microbiome is perfectly balanced, you're going to be healthy, vibrant and full of energy.
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So almost by definition, if you have any of these issues with the adrenals, the brain or the mitochondria, there's going to be a gut microbiome component to it, you know, And then the same issue. Well, I just heard this report yesterday. Every baby born in the United States, I don't know how different it is. And Australia has at least 200 measurable environmental toxins the day they're born.
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Crazy used to be 70. When I first started teaching about toxins, it was 70. It got up to 200. That's not good. So what that means is that every human being that's alive right now on this planet has 100 to 700 measurable chemicals and heavy metals in their bodies, flame retardant and benzene, and tell you in Atlanta, mercury and cadmium.
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And that's just the stuff that we can measure what else we all have. Right. So everybody is toxic now at this point. And we've made a mess of this planet. And it we have not escaped the mess that we've made, you know. And so you can also I guess it's like whether how toxic is the person. It's just a matter of how much of the fatigue is coming from environmental toxin exposure, you know, and that turns out to be one of the major issues that damages mitochondria.
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And one of the major problems that damages the brain would be environmental toxin exposure. So it's kind of circular a little bit. You can have a mitochondria problem and a neurotransmitter problem that was generated by a chemical or a heavy metal that's pretty common, a sort of cycle of things. I feel like that probably due to the increase of toxins that more and more people are more aware of toxins and trying to live a more low life.
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And I remember when I did my own liver testing or detox testing, I was thinking, yeah, detoxification system would be fine because I've been living low tops of five years, making all my own products, eating well, and I was shocked at how burnt out my detox system still was. So it's almost like this accumulation of toxins over time.
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And even if you try and leave a toxin or a low tox, like there's we're just pummelled so much with different environmental chemicals or sometimes you do need that therapeutic support to get your detox pathways working better. So what do you think is some of the you mentioned some things, toxins being a root cause, but what are some of the other root causes like especially around the near endocrine system as well that is a major cause of fatigue?
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Unknown
Well, you your number one is always emotional stress, spiritual disconnection, that kind of stuff. So this came up in class a few weeks ago who I can't remember who it was, but there is when. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was a patient of one of the doctors that cut spirit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. He was a kindergarten teacher, you know, a teacher of young children.
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Teaches music to young kids in a really healthy marriage with a super good diet and liked to exercise every day. And this guy's labs were perfect, you know? And so it turns out that if you have a love of what you do for work, like you teach little kids music and you love music and you're in a really great marriage, your relationship is guide.
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I don't think you have to be married, but you have good relationships all around you, you know? Then you have a certain amount of immunity from toxins, gut microbiome problems and everything else. And if you don't have that kind of community connection, personal relationship connection and spiritual connection to your life and work and you're kind of on the wrong track, so to speak, then you're susceptible to having physical problems.
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So I think that's kind of like the main headline, cause then if you want to branch out from there, they say that most of us don't have we're not in the best marriages and we're not, you know, in the most amazing communities. And we don't eat perfectly. We don't exercise perfectly. So let's say that, you know, the subset of people that are in that category, which is almost all of us, then you start to look at underlying causes that are more almost mechanistic or physical, you know, not so aethereal and spiritual and emotional.
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And then those boil down to a couple of basic categories. You know, there's either some kind of an infection that's driving a problem or some kind of food reaction that's driving a problem. The immune system or the gut is under assault in some way, or there's some kind of environmental toxin exposure like we already mentioned. And it's rare to see situations outside of that.
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Unknown
And sometimes the exposure to, let's say, a bio toxins kind of complicated, like they have a mould exposure or Lyme disease exposure or are super complicated heavy metal toxicity type cases. And then kind of superimposed upon all of that, this is something that we've been the most interested in in class the last few years. I know you've done a lot of study on this yourself too, would be the genetic determinants or the genetic tendencies that push people in a certain direction.
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So like you could have somebody who eats, you can have two people that live right next door to one another and they eat the same amount of tuna every day. But one of them becomes incredibly mercury toxic because they don't clear tuna, the mercury from the tuna very well. And the other person has really great detox capacity. And so even though they're eating the same amount of mercury every day, it never builds up in their body.
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Unknown
It doesn't become a problem. So there's a really strong genetic component that we see in in a lot of the patients that we work with, which doesn't cause the problem, but just puts a person at risk for having the problem. Yeah, I was actually listening to your story. Well, our participants are going to get access to your Brain Restore program, which is very generous of you, but I was listening to your meditation one this morning actually, just to prepare and to calm myself.
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And I did love what you said about like a lot of people come to functional medicine to seek help because they have a physical problem that almost always there's that emotional, spiritual disconnection. And even if there's genetic issues or environmental issues, it's usually those that very deep underlying emotional, spiritual, something or other that's been triggering the cascade of burn out to these body systems.
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Unknown
Okay, so can where I just love love tests. I'm a geek. I love looking at them all actually, that no, I love everything about human tissue. But the real value or the big part of the value of doing your mentorship was we just got to see thousands of lab tests of all sorts of different cases. So do you are you able to share some lab test examples of what it might actually look like if someone has a mitochondrial issue or a brain issue or whatever that might be?
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Unknown
Yeah, let's take a peek here and see what I got. So I review a lot of these tests because I teach these classes, as you know, and I have a small practice, but we have a large number of labs coming in. So let's take a look and see what we got here. Okay? Okay. So there's different kinds of digestive tests, the different brands, different companies.
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Unknown
There's doctors, data. You know, this one happens to be diagnostic solutions, but there are trying to do the same thing on the GI side, which is to find if you have an infection in your gut, which sounds a little exotic and strange, but is actually pretty common, or if you have an imbalance with your digestive tract organs or with the commensal or good bacteria in your gut.
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So this test you can see is looking at pathogens here. These are the bad guys. Crypto has to giardia and this person was normal in those. And then there's my favourite bad guy, which is Helicobacter pylori. That's a terrible stomach that we often see. That'll ruin your day, you know, And this is, you know, can I, can I actually had that one that was major cause to like 115 years of heartburn but also anxiety.
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It was insane. It was insane how amazing I felt when I cleared it and that allowed so I could write a whole book about H. Pylori. I've treated over 1000 patients with it, maybe 2000. And it makes such a huge difference. People and oftentimes, you know, you can get H. Pylori cases where there's anxiety or depression or a lot of times insomnia all coming from this infection.
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You wouldn't think that would happen. But it happens a lot. And then this is really interesting, too, because here the normal bacterial flora down here, you can see how these are low. So that's a poor microbiome. So that means that this person's good bacteria in the gut are deficient and that leaves you susceptible to immune problems. T problems, cardiovascular problems, neurological problems, memory decline, cognitive decline problems.
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Unknown
It's not a good thing. So having a bad guy like H. Pylori is bad and then not having enough for the good guys is bad. Mm hmm. It's interesting to see that the H. Pylori on that test hasn't been triggered as high. Do you still feel like that's something that would need to be treated? Oh, yeah. We treat all those.
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Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. But then here's our favourite test here. This is an amino acid profile and these are really interesting. We could go on for years about these Anyways, you can measure all these amino acids. That's kind of cool. I just show you the things you can measure on here. This one particular lab, you could measure all the fat soluble antioxidants.
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These are things that protect your lipids or fats. Some people may have heard of these, some of these coenzyme Q10, vitamin E, vitamin A, beta carotene. If you look at one of these, it's a pretty big problem. I can measure vitamin D, look at that by Media 17. That's very low. That's going to be paid for. Not good.
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In fact, there is a study that I saw last week where if you had a vitamin D level above, I think it was either 50 or 60, there was zero risk of death from COVID test. Zero. Not like it. It improved you outcomes. But nobody with the vitamin D levels of around 50 to 60 range died of COVID.
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That is a study, not a single person. Like what else could you say that gives you a 100% protection against dying from COVID? Now, of course you can get COVID still, but it's not going to kill you. Yeah, that's interesting, Is it? So these are not I mean, these are like, I don't know, it's a vitamin D that so that important.
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But in the current era that we're in, these are like literally life and death things. Yeah, actually I find that I'm not that I work with a lot of cancer people, but more after they've had cancer. But those fat soluble vitamins almost always crashed. And so it's like not just COVID but cancer and all these other terminal illnesses.
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Unknown
I linked to that in here. These are the omega three and omega six fatty acids, which most people have heard of, a little bit like fish oils and things like that. And so these are used to make your cell membranes, which are very important part of the cell. It's kind of this part of the cell that makes it a cell, you know, And then they're also, you know, 60% of your brain is made up of these kinds of fats.
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Unknown
So you can see this particular person was low in omega three and low in omega six, which is going to cause anything from sleep problems to depression to some kind of chronic inflammatory issue. Not good, you know. Yeah. And that's easy to fix. You just give people omega three and omega six supplements and then those levels come up.
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I love fitness fixes as well because everyone's like omega three is so important, so important. And it's like, oh my goodness, everyone, not everyone, like a lot of people are also deficient in those omega sixes as well. Well, look at this one. So you're not in class right now. You haven't seen this lab. You just came in last week.
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Look at that. So I just randomly picked it. This is like literally the first one that was at the top of my computer screen. Look at this saturated fat load. Now, most of the time people are worried about high saturated fat because that puts you at higher risk for having a heart attack or heart disease or building up of plaque in the arteries.
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Unknown
But what about low saturated fat? That's not good. And there's one fat in here. It's really important that no one's ever heard of called Palmitic. That's the main fat that the human body that the mitochondria use to make energy. So when you're at rest, 80 to 90% of your energy meaning up when you're not exercising, when you're exercising, different stuff happens.
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But when you're not exercising, 80 to 90% of the energy that runs your body comes from this one fat here palmitic. And if you're low in this, you have a serious problem with energy production. So that's not good. So we can fix that to just see what's wrong. You never know, right? Everyone's different. Oh, my gosh. They look at this.
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Unknown
So these are the mitochondrial markers or metabolic markers. And you know what we're looking for in this page, you know, as a trend. And you can see the trend here is most of these markers are low or undetectable. So that's a trend of lack of mitochondria being present or we sometimes call it a hypo metabolic state. It means you don't have enough mitochondria to make energy, and that's going to cause problems with your brain, problems with your liver.
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Speaking of your brain, these are the neurotransmitter markers, guys. And do you know what the symptoms you know, here's the funny thing. You know, here's here's the funny thing is that what's that Funny? Funny. But you like strange thing is that you could look at the last thousand patients I worked with and look at their labs and you pretty much everybody's complaining about the same things.
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Unknown
They're tired or depressed or anxious. They're a little bit overweight or a lot overweight. Their memory is not that great. And then it may vary a little bit. Some people have aches and pains and are stiff everywhere, so people don't. Some people have digestive problems. Some people don't probably have. The people I work with have pretty bad digestive problems.
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Unknown
And I think one of the one of the kind of breakthrough concepts that I've been studying lately is Cell Danger Response by Dr. Robert Neville. And he discovered a universal response that cells have this life as human cells is all cells, plant cells, animal cells, single celled organisms. When cells are under attack, they all respond in the same way.
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Unknown
And so it doesn't matter what's attacking you if you're like going through a surgery or have a trauma where you get injured or if you have heart disease or if you have a toxin or if you have an infection, does it matter what the damage or the insult to the cell is? We have this universal response, which is kind of profound because what it means is that the symptoms really don't matter.
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Unknown
There really are these systems that are going on, you know, dysfunctional systems that are happening that generate these patterns of symptoms, you know? Yeah. And you can have someone like this like this just looks just out of curiosity because you can have something like this. And look what he said here on his paperwork. He thinks he's really healthy.
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Think that is so you look at that blood test that I see. They don't have major symptoms. It's like, how is that even possible? Well, like, that's the joke they have in cardiology is what's the first sign of heart disease, You know, sudden death. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like people don't walk around thinking, oh, you know, I think I'm going to have a heart attack now.
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I'm 57 years old. They just, like, dropped out of heart attack and say with cancer, I mean, most people don't know that they have cancer until they're pretty far along into the process. Yeah. So it turns out we're not really good at analysing whether we're in trouble or not, which I think is I think that's like functional medicine isn't reactive medicine, although a lot of people come because they are reactive.
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But occasionally you get those people who just want preventative medicine. Then I just run all the tests. I want to make sure my body is functioning. I don't want to. I want to live a healthy, happy, long life. I get excited when people come to that. Okay, So we could go the opposite end of the spectrum because here's somebody with a bunch of symptoms who's a 79 year old, 79 year old psychotherapist with anxiety, food addiction, sciatic pain, fatigue and emotional upset.
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Unknown
So like, you know, lots of problems, fears of the future, lonely fears of living with pain, really kind of not doing well. Then you look at a new charvel and it doesn't look that much worse than the other guy. No symptoms, but oxidative stress is high. So that means there's a lot of free radicals, there's a lot of damage going on to the tissues, toxin exposure is equally high, mercury is high.
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Unknown
So that could be the source of the oxidative stress or damage. And then we're back to the omega three problem. You know, the fatty acid problem is a low omega threes. Yeah. So and this is another common pattern that we see is that environmental toxin exposure causes oxidative stress or mitochondrial problems. It's different for different people how it manifests, but it's kind of sad really.
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Unknown
It's a state of it's like the I'm sure it's how the climate scientists feel about all the ice in the Arctic melting or something. It's kind of like that, but it's like watching your 30 year career I've had now just watching people overall get worse at the new labs. They come in just get worse every decade. Yeah. So, yeah, you know, it's not it's not surprising.
00;31;47;18 - 00;32;22;02
Unknown
If you look around at the planet, you shouldn't be that shouldn't be. So it's just demoralising. It's not really shocking. What's demoralising? Are you seeing a different pattern to with COVID, like more patients coming in with COVID or even maybe vaccine injuries or. Yeah, COVID has brought? Well, here's how I'm trying to describe it now. It's like we had we had pre-COVID and environmental Ill collect, environmental toxicity, environmental poisoning, sort of collapse of the human body.
00;32;22;02 - 00;32;48;03
Unknown
Already we have all these autistic children, all these adults with cognitive problems, and it was already pretty bad, you know, And we kind of layered on top of a environmental catastrophe with a group of people who have metabolic dysfunctions, knows anything about it. So 88% of Americans have some kind of metabolic disease, almost the entire population. The US does.
00;32;48;03 - 00;33;12;04
Unknown
So you have a population that's 90%, 88% metabolically not working, all of whom have an environmental toxin burden, which is hard to even comprehend. And then we introduced this viral infection. Yeah, it's kind of like if you I don't know, I watch a lot of action movies. If we're watching an action movie. This just happened last night. This action movie now is shooting at things.
00;33;12;04 - 00;33;33;29
Unknown
And so I was like, That's not very realistic. It'd be like, if you shoot, we're shooting at a car and you shot three of the tires out, but the car is still driving. At least someone came was just shot before a tire like that's what it was like. Okay. Now it's really yeah. Taken a highly dysfunctional in a horrible situation and it created this whole element that's hard to imagine.
00;33;33;29 - 00;33;56;11
Unknown
So what's happening in my practice now is that people that had these infections from the past that she already has and by the way, people a lot of them are getting sick again. And then people who were fine before are getting sick. And then there's some long haul COVID people. They estimate maybe 30% of people that get COVID have lingering symptoms.
00;33;56;25 - 00;34;25;24
Unknown
And then there's an unknown percentage of post vaccine injury. People who were injured or damaged somehow from the vaccine. And then they just saw the regular stress and everything about the pandemic that and people are drinking more alcohol and stuff, but just forget about that. That's a pretend that we were all like super healthy this whole time. Just the the virus itself is really going to end up, you know, causing some pretty severe problems in about 30% of people that get it.
00;34;25;24 - 00;34;50;24
Unknown
I just a lot of people, yeah, that is a huge amount of people. I'm actually reading on your screen. Sorry. I don't know what this is that when did the complaints begin? After They actually saying yeah the virus so glandular fade us to people who have had ongoing issues or had that change so years ago when they get COVID it just like flares back off again or causes all the same issues.
00;34;50;24 - 00;35;16;28
Unknown
So it's interesting what you said about Yeah, yeah yeah, this is a classic long haul COVID patient previous diagnosis of Epstein-Barr. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just very weak spots that occurred earlier on, then flaring up again. So. So we do these adrenal tests. Also, we look at the stress response so that one's not good, have a wonky, a little bit on.
00;35;17;07 - 00;35;45;16
Unknown
And so we try to correct that as best you can, you know, and then here's the GI test. There's some inflammation, some metabolic imbalances. As bad as you sometimes see, though, you know, and then yeah, there's one marker on here that's very important. So about the in the UK they did a study, a couple of really large studies.
00;35;45;26 - 00;36;05;26
Unknown
One was on a group of patients who had I think there's a 40,000 and total they had this sort of bank of records of MRI's and then they took out all the ones that had an MRI before COVID and then they asked a bunch of them to come back and divide them into two groups, ones that had had COVID and ones that hadn't and then did a second MRI.
00;36;06;06 - 00;36;32;20
Unknown
They had an earlier one to compare and about a third of the people on a second MRI that had COVID had measurable brain damage. Wow. Brain damage that you could physically see on the MRI. That's not good. And then they took another group of patients in the UK, another large group of patients, and gave them these cognitive tests, you know, before and after COVID.
00;36;33;15 - 00;37;03;29
Unknown
And they saw about 30% of them had a decrease in brain function in the areas of the brain that matched the people on the MRIs that had this function. So for about a third of people in the UK that get COVID, their brains shrink, their brain damage, their heard. Yeah, wow, that's a lot. I and it's just the brain problem that none of those include diabetes or anything else.
00;37;05;03 - 00;37;37;26
Unknown
These statistic events like the ones that had moderate or severe climate or even mild COVID. Yeah, even mild COVID. In fact, among the long haul, COVID people, it's quite quite a few of them had mild or very mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. When they first had COVID celebrities. It's a different mechanism. So there you can get COVID, go to the hospital, go the ICU, emergency room, whatever, and then you could have organ damage and problems because you were so sick.
00;37;39;02 - 00;37;55;04
Unknown
Sometimes they call a post ICU syndrome or stuff like that. Where were your organs were failing and you're in the ICU. And so you have you know, lingering problems that would have been similar if you had had a heart attack in the ICU, you know, just because you were so sick, you're having these problems. But that's not the group that we're working with at all.
00;37;55;04 - 00;38;12;02
Unknown
We're working with people who either had COVID and it either was so mild that they didn't know they had it, you know, no major symptoms, but they had a positive test or people had, you know, the cold and flu version of it where maybe they were, you know, sick for a week or two, but they never went to the hospital room.
00;38;12;13 - 00;38;33;04
Unknown
So those people, when they recover from acute COVID, have a whole different disease process, which is long haul COVID, It's unrelated almost. It's the same virus, but it's a completely different set of cytokines they can measure. So in other words, if you get acute COVID and go to the hospital and almost die, there's certain cytokines that are involved in that immune response.
00;38;34;04 - 00;38;57;11
Unknown
If you get long haul COVID from mild symptoms, it's a whole different set of cytokines that elevate. I mean, obviously it's the same virus, but it's a completely different conditions and speak so people that are susceptible to long haul COVID bear no relationship to those who went into the hospital or died from COVID. It's a whole different. Yeah, way that way that the virus expresses itself.
00;38;57;22 - 00;39;24;09
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. It's just crazy how everyone's reacting to it in different ways. So do D. So we have practitioners listening to this as well. I'm just wondering the mitochondria markers that you on that original iron profile, like could you just give us an example of what you might do from particle perspective just so that people can see how like it actually you can restore these things?
00;39;24;09 - 00;39;55;12
Unknown
It's not doom and gloom. You can actually restore these things with targeted nutrients. Yeah, So here's a different one. So here's an organic acids test and the mitochondrial section here, energy production. This is actually measuring the different steps of the citric acid cycle or Krebs cycle. And so when you see a pattern of high markers here, like you see this high marker here that indicates that there's a block, a certain enzyme and the person is deficient in a nutrient that would otherwise make that enzyme work properly.
00;39;55;12 - 00;40;17;19
Unknown
So for hydroxy methyl glutamate, when this goes high, it indicates that there's an extreme deficiency of CoQ10. So if you give Kochie ten personnel feel better and that marker will drop down, it usually takes around six months, sometimes longer. And there's similar, you know, I don't know any of these markers really sort of at a pace. They're super eight or high.
00;40;18;04 - 00;40;39;21
Unknown
That's an indicator that there's a carnitine deficiency. So then we would supplement with carnitine to fix those problems. So there's many different ways that the mitochondria could be damaged. You can have a fat metabolism or car metabolism problem getting into energy, into the citric acid cycle. You can have a problem within the strategic acid cycle itself. Many people like this person right here have B vitamin deficiencies.
00;40;40;09 - 00;41;04;06
Unknown
So you see these markers go high. It means that there's a deficiency of a B vitamin and those B's are critical for energy production in the mitochondria won't make any energy without them. They're probably some of the most important nutrients involved. And so, you know, ironically, I'll look at this so this person's low. In the 1980s marker for B six methylphenidate is A marker for B 12.
00;41;05;13 - 00;41;31;25
Unknown
And once you learn how to interpret these it's not that complicated. You give this person Coke ten, B six and B 12. Their mitochondria are going to start to work properly again knowing that you can restore normal function. Once you can see where the blocks are. That's kind of the purpose of the labs. Yeah. And you mentioned it takes weeks, sometimes longer months to change markers, but people generally feel symptomatic improvements much sooner than that.
00;41;31;25 - 00;41;50;22
Unknown
Hey, yeah, we're trying to get symptomatic improvement within the first month or so. Yeah, maybe two months. And then usually around the six month mark. We're really starting to see the numbers in the lab change such that they can start to change the supplement program or maybe back off their supplements so they don't have to take all these things forever.
00;41;50;22 - 00;42;21;22
Unknown
We really try to as much as possible, correct the function and restore normal function versus, you know, have people taking these things for the long term. Yeah. And I guess also to finish off that discussion as well and discussion of fatigue in general. So supplements are important, but what are some really essential non supplement treatments that would then allow people to come off a bunch of supplements and then continue with optimal health?
00;42;22;24 - 00;42;48;11
Unknown
Well, the easiest ones are just to change your diet, you know, and so increasing fibre in the diet and increasing polyphenols in the diet, those two things make a pretty big difference really quickly for every system that we're talking about was not that hard to do. You know, if you put your mind to it, you know, it doesn't cost much time about buying beans and vegetables and fruit.
00;42;48;19 - 00;43;12;03
Unknown
You know, basically. And that's probably the single. And then exercise, you know, Yeah, those two things together can make a huge difference. Well, I think you would think even. Yeah, Yeah. And you always talk I remembered you talk about the mitochondria and oxygen as well. So getting that through exercise that sometimes. Yeah. Or just breathing exercises. Yeah. Yeah.
00;43;12;07 - 00;43;41;05
Unknown
And that's what I find too when people are like I'm just too exhausted to exercise. I literally just starting off with breathing exercises can make a huge difference. Sorry, we are so grateful that you have come to chat with us today all about fatigue. I want to quickly just share something that you have offered our listeners to sign up to if they like to.
00;43;41;06 - 00;44;03;25
Unknown
I will just screen share screen. So Doctor Kylie, she's created a really cool Brain Restore in four program and is free to enrol. So I had to look through this. I feel like both practitioners and just the everyday person wanting to increase energy mental health will get value out of this. Is that do you feel that? Yeah. Let's idea.
00;44;03;26 - 00;44;33;07
Unknown
Exactly. Yeah. It's a part educational part of treatment oriented a little bit of each. Yeah. So I'll make sure that the link is there so everyone can get access to that. And just a little sneak peek inside. This is gold. It's not like a ten minute overview of the brain. There's so much like Dr. Karis goes into quite a lot of these in depth and there's even a really cool meditation or a video at the end too, which is very good.
00;44;33;07 - 00;44;56;26
Unknown
So people can just apply that straight away and say, Thank you so much. Do you have any parting words or how can people get in touch with you or find out more about you beside the program? Yeah. So we have, you know, the Kalish Institute upcoming courses this year. We have a long haul COVID boot camp that I'm going to be teaching in June.
00;44;57;18 - 00;45;16;00
Unknown
And then I think in the fall we have a cardiometabolic one. And those boot camps are is a two month courses kind of introduction to the lab testing. Those have been pretty popular. And then we have the mentorship program like you did for those that are serious about things, I want to do a four year study and we have a lot of new material coming out every year now, so I'm pretty excited about that.
00;45;16;11 - 00;45;38;24
Unknown
Yeah, listen, I can 100% say it was worth every cent. Actually. I started your mentorship when I just started my practice and I'm like, Oh, this is such a big investment. But like, honestly, I paid for it within the first few months and just my own transformation of my own health is always like even that alone, 100% with it.
00;45;38;24 - 00;46;04;11
Unknown
So thank you so much. I forgot to tell you actually writing a book at the moment, you're so good. I'm like Dr. Kalish, Dr. Kalish Dr. Kalish is Buddy Systems. All right, Alison, thank you so much. And we will hopefully be able to find you through socials that Scott and everyone do the program. So good. Thank you so much.
00;46;04;11 - 00;46;40;28
Unknown
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