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Chris
Great guys. Thanks for tuning in. I am Chris Bellette and I'm here with Filly.
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Filly
Hello. We are so excited to share our first Connect the Dots episode with you all. This one is all about fatigue, ADHD and the effects that trauma has on the body. Just so you know what we're talking about when we say a Connect the Dots episode. We're actually taking listeners cases, so we've had a bunch of people submit their cases to us via a form.
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Filly
I put the link in the show notes if you want to submit your case, and then we're putting our detective hats on and we're pulling it apart. So we're looking at not just this symptoms, but what could the symptoms be telling us? What body systems might be out of whack? What lab testing could we run to really identify what's going on in the body?
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Filly
And because we take a root, root cause approach, we are going to look further, deeper down in terms of what actually caused the body systems to burn out in the first place.
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Filly
Okay. So before we jump into today's case, just so you know, this is the information, educational purposes only. So this is a bit of a disclaimer. It does not replace having an official consult with us or with your medical doctor or practitioner. So what we discussed today is coming from a place, not from a place of advice giving, but rather as looking at a different perspective, looking at your health from a different perspective.
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Filly
So this is the goal with the episode. It's definitely not advice, it's not medical advice, health advice. It's more for information and just to see a different perspective. Oh, and also before we jump in to workshopping this case, we have a client, our amazing Sam. She is so cool. She's coming on next week to share her own story about chronic fatigue and how she healed it using a root cause approach, which is so exciting to hear because chronic fatigue can absolutely be, I would say, cured.
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Chris
Awesome. Let's let's rumble. All right. Where should we start?
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Filly
Yeah, well, let's talk about chronic fatigue first, because this is a big, big symptom that these this listener is concerned with. So. Well, actually, I'll read I'll read a bit about what she wrote. And so she said, I'm struggling with adrenal fatigue, vaginal imbalances, diagnose inattentive A.D.D. depression sometimes, and grinding my teeth when it's late, bleeding. I'm struggling to get up on time.
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Filly
So going to dig in to all of those symptoms because they're all connecting and interconnected with each other. But first of all, we love words and we love listening to the words that people are saying because it can really show us a lot of what's going on inside that in a landscape and this conscious state. So a lot of people, when they put forward their case or even when we're talking to clients, the big word is struggle struggling.
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Filly
What does that kind of make you think about, Chris?
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Chris
So we've just started doing Brazilian jujitsu. Makes me think of of wrestling and grappling and fighting really well. I think that Brazilian jiu jitsu is a really positive environment. Or it can be. I'm sure there's there's places and situations anyway. At the end of the day, it's a it's a martial art. It's a it's a fight. And when someone says they're struggling, I think of me underneath or grappling with one of my my mates at the gym and, and fighting and submitting and there's, there's a person who is a winner and a loser.
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Chris
And so when someone is struggling and they uses the they use the language of struggling, they're ready to be submitted and they're ready to tap out. And that's that's the first thing that comes to my mind is fight response.
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Filly
So it's a real, real battle. There's a real conflict. And as we go through this case as well, it's not just the health symptoms that she's struggling with, but conflict is actually a pattern in this woman's life, which is really important because by looking at the symbols as well that give us so much information about what the actual cause is of body burn out.
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Filly
So I wanted to give you a medical definition of chronic fatigue. This is from the centre of control disease. I don't think I said that. Right. It's a government website.
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Chris
Amazing. That is. You should go on the ad. Hi. We're from the centre of something in control disease.
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Filly
Okay. Anyway, I'll put it in the show.
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Chris
Where logic and stuff.
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Filly
Would fit. I've read this definition, so this is a lot of people will go to their doctors first and they're like, I'm so tired. Actually, there's some stats around this. And 1.5 million adults see their doctor each year for tiredness. This is in Australia alone. That would be like so many, many more people in the world. But so the definition medical definition is around chronic fatigue as a chronic fatigue is a disease characterised by profound fatigue, sleep abnormalities, pain and other symptoms that are made worse by exertion, which we saw that this lady too is experiencing a whole heap of other symptoms, not just fatigue.
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Filly
So the definition continues. A chronic fatigue syndrome occurs more commonly in women. We see that in our clinic all the time, although it does appear in men as well. The cause of this condition is unknown, but may include environmental or genetic factors. We'll get to these soon because we know that there are some very specific root causes that lead to chronic fatigue, which is where functional medicine shines.
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Filly
The medical definition continues. The main symptom is fatigue. It has to occur over six months or longer. The fatigue often worsens with activity, but doesn't improve with rest. And get this, the medical system says there is no cure or approved treatment for this condition. However, some symptoms can be treated or managed to provide relief. How does that feel for you?
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Chris
But we'll take your money. Come. Come consult with me and and I'll sit down with you for 5 minutes and take $150 fee and send you on your way with my best guess about why I can't help you.
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Filly
I am not okay with that. I am not okay with that. I know we have a lot of clients come to us too, where they feel hopeless. Like this message is sending a hopeless message.
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Chris
You are hopeless. There's no hope for you.
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Filly
But you're just going to be chronically fatigues for the rest of your life. And, hey, just stop working, stop exercising, sleep a lot, and maybe take some anti-depressants. And that's going to help give you a bit of relief.
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Chris
Or do you want the non brand prescription?
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Filly
Sorry.
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Chris
We have saved some money.
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Filly
Well, you've seen time and time again that chronic fatigue can be cured and that you can live a life free of fatigue. And we'll hear from Sam next week where she has done this. And she's been on this journey for a while and she's been pretty much fatigue free, chronic fatigue free for the last year or two, like it's stuck for her.
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Filly
So I wanted to mention some other stops. Chronic fatigue is a big thing. So like real full blown chronic fatigue in Australia is estimated to affect 1% of the population. That doesn't sound like a lot, but that's 250,000 people struggling with full blown chronic fatigue where they kind of can't function very well in life anymore, but low energy.
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Filly
So we'll talk about energy as well. 50% of Australian adults struggle with energy issues and there's an awesome lady laser cut off. Check it out in Instagram. I'll put a link to her survey, but she surveyed 1430 women and found that 98.2% don't feel fully rested and that 56.8% write the energy is five or below out of ten.
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Filly
So that's crazy. Like energy issues are a real thing and there's not a lot of people who feel like they are fully rested insane.
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Chris
Another thing is as well is as soon as this starts having an impact on the rest of your life on the way you can raise your kids, arguably, I think and this stats to show this, we've we've talked about this before, not in a podcast yet, but but in other media about housework and about roles of of women in society in general in Australia and in our culture.
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Chris
And I think you might think, well, maybe that might have a correlation to to fatigue, but really I mean is that, is that, is that wrong? You look at those cultural norms and they're driven by what is culture. It's all these beliefs and all these stories that that like a person into a way of being and doing equal a way of having fatigue.
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Chris
Right.
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Filly
Yeah, absolutely. I think patriarchy, that could be a whole another episode.
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Chris
Yeah, we've got to do that.
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Filly
Play a huge role, especially on women's health. But you know what? Also, men too, because they're like passive, the breadwinner, they get to go out and make the money. And so there's a lot of yeah, expectations from society to perform and do and make more which absolutely would affect energy. Well salsa soul sucking.
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Chris
We're living in an exponential different age of of human existence right now. In comparison, health arguably is how people are living longer. But that doesn't necessarily mean happiness levels are up. I mean across the board, subjective and objective measures of of happiness and satisfaction are down, but life longevity is up. What's up with that? That'd be interesting to explore in the future.
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Chris
Let's let's get back to.
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Filly
Okay. All right. So let's talk about and for that combo of symptoms and really breaking these down because when someone presents like in our clinic with a big symptom or a condition, I want to know all the other little bits and pieces that go along with that because they provide clues in terms of where to look next. So she listed alongside fatigue, vaginal imbalances, ADHD, depression, bleeding gums, grinding teeth at night, struggling to get up in the morning, and chemical sensitivities.
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Filly
So, first of all, like the first thing, I sort of think, okay, she's been diagnosed with ADHD. Chris, you've kind of had some personal experiences on this as well. Like how do you feel like ADHD could be affecting someone's energy levels?
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Chris
You're interested in stuff which is exhausting, that I can go and be interested in old stuff.
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Filly
Yeah.
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Chris
And that's exhausting, right? Yeah. If and and then you put this into a fight response, this stress response, this Ana, I think we're going to be talking about this as we go on. But. But this, uh, unhealthy way of responding to stress, I think can be labelled as ADHD and ADHD and I think there's some, some subjective measures around it, but there's some clear neurological emotional or physiological and psychological objective measures that that can indicate something.
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Filly
Is going on. I kind of think like regardless of whether someone has truly I'll call it true ADHD or even if they might have been missed diagnosed in the showing patterns of it. It still this what Chris said exhausting when you're constantly getting distracted by so many shiny things or different projects or. We were talking with one of our mentors, Kylie Ryan, yesterday about different notifications that pop up all the time.
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Filly
Are we going to have an expert come on the show soon to talk about that? Dr. Christie Goodwin And it is like your brain is just burning up glucose, which is energy sapping. So when someone has these neurodivergent patterns and they're also experiencing chronic fatigue or just low energy in general, I'll start thinking about some specific lab testing.
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Filly
So I definitely want to check out the neurotransmitters. So what are your dopamine an adrenaline levels looking like? Because they are very much part of on the go all the time. Dopamine hits, which is all part of getting distracted and then also thinking about other body systems that could exacerbate this feeling of your brain not being able to switch off.
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Filly
So things like adrenal stress hormones, which is all about your stress response. And this could again, not necessarily cause ADHD, but it could definitely be magnifying a dysfunctional pattern of ADHD, also the grinding of teeth. So Antoinette mentioned she also grinds her teeth at night, which is a subconscious, like when you're asleep, you're subconsciously doing these things. And so I'd definitely be thinking about some sort of stress response, and that's connected to potentially depression as well.
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Chris
Can I can I just jump in? I think I'll just say this. This is going to wave all through this. There's there's a fight response going on. I've got yeah, there's battle. The struggle I'm wrestling with is my words. And so I think, you know, grinding teeth, it's a stress response. And and so we can you can't have a symptom unless there's some sort of underlying signal or or situation going on in the body systems.
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Chris
Right. But but why do you have that in the first place? And then it's interesting as we get through this case study will notice we will bring up some some lab reports and stuff like that. But yeah, just NAHT is that the way you do anything? Is a medic principle? The way you do anything is the way you do everything.
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Chris
A blanket statement. But, but, you know, uh, it's interesting for personal development. This is I'm struggling here. Okay, Where else do you struggle? Let's find that out. Well, I grind my teeth. Ooh, that's interesting. That's a that sounds like a struggle going on when you're not even awake. When else are you not aware that you're struggling with something really interesting?
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Filly
Yeah. A level that just going back to the ADHD and then we move on to other areas in the IT. When this listener submitted her case, she said, I tried ADHD meds but they made me feel more anxious. I didn't feel good on them and I wasn't sleeping right. So most of these medication actually the adrenaline and dopamine neurotransmitters.
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Filly
So if someone has been diagnosed with ADHD and they actually feel worse on meds, not better, then I actually start double guessing. I'm like, maybe they're actually isn't anything going on with these neurotransmitters? And when someone says they feel worse on a medication, I also start thinking about your detox pathways because your liver needs to metabolise these synthetic medications.
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Filly
And if someone's liver isn't working very well, it's just putting more stress onto their system. They're not able to metabolise it properly. And so then that can make people feel worse on medications. And it's interesting, too, that in the case she said that she also has chemical sensitivities and bleeding gums. So having a high toxic load in your body is really inflammatory.
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Filly
It burns through nutrients, it can cause more chemical sensitivities and literally show up as nutrient deficiencies, for instance, bleeding gums. That's common with people who are burning through vitamin C levels.
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Chris
So that's a fight. Again, there's an internal fight. So that's in the same way that there's a battle going on when when Antoinette is asleep and she's grinding it out, grinding her teeth, there's a battle going on in her cells with blood is being spilled as a battleground. Yeah. Where you do anything is the way you do everything.
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Chris
Yeah.
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Filly
And something else again, we just really love the way that people use words. She said I didn't feel good on them. Now this is where being face to face with someone in a concert, you're like, Got more information? It's like, what? You didn't feel good in terms of physically in your body or is there something kind of mental emotional value going on there too?
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Filly
Sorry, I know this lady really values good nutrition and natural living and so then being put on to a medication that's not natural. Is that why or potentially why she didn't feel good? Maybe that's even why she felt bad and had symptoms on them. Like our brain and our nervous system responds to the way that we the language that we're using.
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Chris
This is very shaming language as well. Good, bad. It. I didn't feel good notice that's it That's coming from a perception of self. So that's shaming. It's kind of below guilt, isn't it. It's I feel I'm I feel guilty that I took some things that weren't natural. It's I felt I didn't feel good or I felt bad or whatever she said.
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Filly
And again, like, we're just kind of reading between the lines. That's why having a console is going to gather like way more information. But yeah, this is just like for informational.
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Chris
Information.
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Filly
Picking and digging into the language that this person is using because it's always symbolic of other things. Vaginal is about imbalances. So this is another symptom this lady had is an interesting link. So it wasn't specific. She didn't specifically say what it was like, whether it was thrush. So that would be candida overgrowth or sometimes people can have a bacterial vaginosis, which is a bacterial imbalance or even an STI.
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Filly
But the thing is, when there's chronic vaginal issues, there's a thing called you've probably heard of leaky gut. So that's where the gut lining starts to separate. You can have particles into the bloodstream. Well, did you know you can also have a leaky vagina? So that's why the vaginal wall, especially if there's a lot of inflammatory things happening in the vagina, it starts to separate and then you can have this biotic bugs leave the vagina and enter different areas of the body.
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Filly
So potentially there could be something like a chronic candida overgrowth in all areas of the body or some other inflammatory bacterial overgrowth. And a lot of these microbes produce metabolic by-products that are very inflammatory and toxic to the body and have been linked to things like fatigue, depression and even affecting the brain the way that the brain works.
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Filly
And then going back to the bleeding gums as well. Well, again, like that's the sign of a nutritional deficiency. And if your gut is not working very well, then you're not really able to absorb nutrients. Even if you have the most perfect diet, then that could definitely be linked into what's going on with this person.
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Chris
Super interesting.
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Filly
And one other body system. And then we'll go deeper into like deeper root causes. But when someone presents with chronic fatigue, I always think about the mitochondria as well. So the mitochondria little organelles that live in your muscle tissue and their role is to convert the food that you're eating into ATP energy. So basically it's the energy production part of your body.
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Filly
So if someone has fatigue, I am really curious around do you feel worse or better off to exercise of physical movement? Because if someone feels worse, even if it's going for a walk around the block or they've done a gym gym class and they actually feel more wasted, not better because remember, exercise should perk is up, then highly likely there's probably something going on with the mitochondria that would need to be tested as well.
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Filly
And we can test all of these body systems that I've been mentioning via speech, speech.
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Chris
Speech by speech. Come into a speech.
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Filly
To.
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Chris
A speech.
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Filly
Sometimes we do blood tests as well. All right. Sorry. Shall we get into some deeper root causes? We've kind of been spreading them throughout, but we might dig into some of these a little bit more. So been chatting about the body system's symptoms, but what and then obviously we do lab testing to confirm if our hypotheses are correct or not, which is great sometimes.
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Filly
Sometimes I'll have someone and you here with Sam's story next week. She ticked all the boxes of adrenal fatigue, like all of them, yet her lab tests came back with perfect adrenal function and we both looked at each other. We're like, We don't know how that's happened, but it has. And so then we did further testing and found out that a bunch of other stuff was imbalanced in leading to the fatigue.
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Filly
So you want to get clear on that. And then our next question of inquiry is always why do these body systems burn out in the first place? So we were talking a lot about this woman's struggle. So she's been struggling with many of these health issues for most of her life, she said. Most of her life she's had these.
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Filly
And there was a question in our form that she filled in around what was happening, leading up to or during the symptom flare up, because this is such crucial information, looking back at the timeline, because, again, it can give us so much data around what actually caused this in the first place. So she listed off a few things.
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Filly
So she said she had trauma events, domestic violence in a relationship that's huge home schooling, caring for others also on the spectrum and helping children heal from the traumatic events and never giving up on them, believing in them, but not having enough for my own self care. So in that tiny little paragraph there's I just I feel that there's a lot going on.
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Filly
It wasn't just like, Oh, I just I don't know. You work too hard at work. There's so much going on. And so we wanted to speak to trauma first because trauma is huge. And before we kind of jump into she specifically mentioned domestic violence. Do you want to just talk about trauma? Because it's not trauma. Trauma isn't just about what psychologists call big trauma.
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Filly
Do you want to kind of explain that many facets of trauma and how it affects our body?
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Chris
Yeah, well, this could go in depth maybe for the for the for this one, just to keep it kind of concise at the end of the day when when things happen in our life experience that are a real or a real trouble, a real hard thing to go through, it can be trauma in term of abuse, but that it can also be physical.
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Chris
Sometimes it's self inflicted trauma through sport and injuries or a car accident or something like this in this instance, domestic violence. So that's where there's been a power. Power dynamic or physical something. I don't think there was any we don't need to know. But but there's there's going to be a a light using the word a shock to the system is something is now going to be newly programmed into you as a way of being because of this stuff, this stuff or this thing or this experience that has happened in your life and that then can how it affects your expectations around partner.
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Chris
It can expect this can change your expectations around spouses and partners and people and maybe men in general or the human race or a place. And then our expectations. I say now because now I'm referring to humanity. So when when we go through these experiences that are traumatic, it can it can put us in a place of self-fulfilling prophecies.
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Chris
And we can. We can how why is this happening to me again? And we start to find ourselves in situations like this. I'm not saying that that's what is happening or what has happened, but sometimes we can find that this just turns into a, uh, an avalanche that emotions, thoughts, experiences just keeps happening or it does happen.
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Filly
And a lot of the times this is actually a metaphor that again, I mentioned Kylie Ryan, She's also my mine coach, but she talks about trauma and when you haven't really processed it or addressed it properly or you're repressing or suppressing it in terms of like trying to push down a balloon underwater like this balloon is constantly wanting to pop up, wants you to address it.
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Filly
It wants you to like let go of it. But something inside of you is constantly trying to push that down. And that is exhausting. Like even from a physical point of view that is using up a lot of energy too. Always trying to keep this balloon under the surface, press it. And so when I think about like a lot of people with chronic fatigue have some sort of trauma.
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Filly
And again, trauma can be big stuff like rape, physical, sexual, emotional abuse.
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Chris
Violence.
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Filly
Violence. But it can also be little things like for me, my trauma, which I didn't realise was causing a lot of issues, was getting up in front of a hundred people and forgetting my little talk that I was going to say that was deep humiliation and little like it was. It was little trauma, but it was still producing the same.
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Chris
I don't think it's little t I think that's big. T Well.
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Filly
Yeah, and I, and I hadn't processed it because as a kid I didn't even know how to do that or that it was a thing, but it was causing these physiological responses in my body of not feeling safe. I feeling like I was constantly being exposed. And so regardless of what type of trauma or emotional negative emotional events that you haven't yet processed, it produces like and it literally produces safety in the body.
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Filly
Your body constantly feels unsafe. It's constantly triggering cortisol. Your fight, flight hormones that struggle, that battle. It's also producing neurotransmitters like adrenaline, because you need to run away from stuff. And over time, these these chemicals and hormones break down your gut and your sex hormones and your detox pathways. And there's even studies around, like so much research coming out about this.
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Filly
So there's a thing called the trauma limbic, sorry, limbic system trauma loop. So that's a part of the brain which detects threats. And if you haven't addressed trauma, whether it's little or big or whatever the spectrum is, your brain goes into this. I'm constantly unsafe. I constantly need to run or hide, and that develops into chronic symptoms like it literally in some point, these unprocessed feelings and emotions and memories will surface dysfunctional through your body, through symptoms.
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Filly
And it's it does that in a beautiful way because it's trying to protect you and heal you, but in an unresolved way. But these symptoms are also trying to grab our attention and like it's giving us pain so that we can actually respond to that and do something about it so that we can actually realign our whole self and heal our whole self in deep levels.
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Chris
Mm hmm. I think our body does have a language. Our body does have we use vibration and words and our language. The way I'm speaking to you right now is a pass through my mouth and lungs and vibration and my vocal cords, all that sort of stuff. And it conveys meaning, right? And our body also communicates with our conscious awareness.
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Chris
This is not fluff, but I think think about there's a meaning in in what we do. And I think about the stress that Antoinette would have felt and the the traumatic experiences around her domestic violence and abuse. And I think about my my attention goes to vaginal issues. And as a fight or flight response, what did what have we noticed in the symptomology?
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Chris
There was a vaginal.
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Filly
Chronic vaginal issues.
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Chris
Yeah. Leaking, escaping. Mm. Flight response.
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Filly
If there was oh this is a thing, if there was some sort of maybe sexual abuse as well. A lot of women will develop reproductive issues. Yeah. I've seen that time and time again. Again, it's like symbols, it's like where is the pain. Yeah. What hasn't been healed? And the body shows up. There's a great book called The Body Keeps the Skull by Bessel van de Kulp, a poppies link down below.
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Filly
But I wanted to read something that goes along with everything we just said. So he talks about trauma and the effect it has on the body. So he said, As long as you keep secrets and suppress information, you are fundamentally, fundamentally at war with yourself. There's the struggle. Again, the critical issue is allowing yourself to know what you know.
00;31;08;29 - 00;31;33;23
Filly
That takes an enormous amount of courage. And once you start approaching your body and your symptoms with curiosity rather than fear, everything shifts. And this is a huge part of what we do in the ending body burn out method. Most people have had some sort of emotional event that hasn't been processed. I don't think we've worked with anyone that hasn't yet not.
00;31;34;21 - 00;31;59;15
Filly
And so we really getting to the root. This is what we call about this is what we're calling the root root cause, like going beyond just looking, even looking at behaviour and diet and environmental toxins. Although we look at all that as well. But it's like, what is this? What's the stuff that's hidden that's causing you to think, feel, behave, and literally have the health that you currently have now.
00;31;59;15 - 00;32;11;22
Filly
And that's where like that's why you can end your body burn out. I'm getting emotional because I so wholeheartedly believe in this, that this is the way of the future for health care.
00;32;11;22 - 00;32;35;01
Chris
Kid Can I just talk about the balloon? I think about it more like a basketball, something hard. I was at my my sister in law and brother in law's pool. They've got and I was pushing a ball, a basketball, a hard ball underneath the surface. And it fell. I got distracted and it flew up and it hit me in the chin out later on.
00;32;36;06 - 00;33;13;17
Chris
And that hurt a lot. And I bit my lip or something like that. Anyway, getting to the point is sometimes it's not soft like a balloon that kind of gently floats up to the surface. Sometimes trauma or or suppressed emotion, things that we're fighting against so that our body and our consciousness is, is fighting against flings up and smashed us in the face like a like a basketball or something hard that maybe draws blood and and that I tell you what that caused a fight or flight response to me.
00;33;15;10 - 00;33;32;06
Chris
But then but then I we we hear so often I've worked with my psychologist, I've been to the doctor, I've jumped on the ADHD medication. I've done the work. So why is the ball keep and why do you keep pushing the bull underneath the water and sliding your face out?
00;33;32;06 - 00;33;41;02
Filly
If you like this and other things we hear, Oh, I do meditation, I've done breathwork. I've gone to a in a child workshop, I've done the work.
00;33;41;04 - 00;33;42;09
Chris
I'm all finished now.
00;33;42;23 - 00;34;05;08
Filly
The thing is the proof. The proof is in the pudding. So your body is still screaming at you. You've started the work, but you haven't done the work. And if we're honest, the work continues for the rest of your life. But it gets to a point where you end body burn out your your symptom free, and then the work continues to continue self-regulating and self loving yourself.
00;34;06;07 - 00;34;31;16
Filly
Just one more thing around trauma before we move on to just one other thing that we picked up in the case study. So one of my coaches, who I worked with last name and Fraser has a cool a different perspective around trauma and PTSD. So he said that it's not actually about the events that happen to you, it's about a broken rapport with yourself.
00;34;31;29 - 00;34;58;09
Filly
So essentially, whatever happened to us, it's a story we created about ourselves based on what happened to us. So if I go back to my little story about, oh, not remembering anything, crying my eyes out in front of 100 people, feeling so ashamed, feeling humiliated, hear the words that I'm saying. Essentially, I made this belief that I can't get up and speak in front of people.
00;34;58;09 - 00;35;29;13
Filly
I can't share my voice because something inside of me is weakening, capable. And so that belief continued, causing all sorts of dysfunctional patterns and health issues. And in this listeners data, we have a few little checklists in terms of patterns as well. And she has identified that she has constantly has feelings of shame, guilt, low self-confidence and apathy, which is so common with people who haven't addressed trauma or negative negatively emotionally charged events.
00;35;30;00 - 00;36;04;00
Chris
And so when you're in a shame at that level of shame, your life is miserable and and sometimes the reason why we might struggle, I think of soldiers in Gallipoli and and trudging through the trenches of battle and the misery that the soldiers wrote in their in their literature. The miserable conditions, rats and waste and and filth and death.
00;36;04;10 - 00;36;22;13
Chris
And there was the view was and shame. David Hawkins talks about this, that shame is perilously close to death. Sometimes we choose subconsciously to to end our life and that that's not about I'm so embarrassed.
00;36;22;13 - 00;36;23;04
Filly
I could die.
00;36;23;04 - 00;36;41;25
Chris
I'm so embarrassed I could die. Yeah. And we That's a surprise. And then we feel guilt and shame that we feel the guilt and shame. And there's this process that we suppress. We suppress that. And sometimes sometimes it's that emotion about the thing that is the basketball that we're pushing or the balloon that we're pushing underneath the water.
00;36;41;25 - 00;37;05;25
Chris
It might not be the event. And so sometimes when our when we're here, I've done the work. Yeah, you've brought that balloon up out of the water and now there's some emotions around that. And sometimes there's emotions about the emotions that you've got about that. It's like this matrix is web or sorry, and you maybe that's the thing that you're suppressing.
00;37;06;06 - 00;37;32;13
Filly
Yeah, that's really interesting because we have worked with people who who have felt like they've gone they've worked with a therapist or a psychologist. They feel like they no longer have that ickiness in their body when they think about the traumatic event. But when I say to them, Do you believe that you're good enough where the enough lovable, most of the time they cannot say any of that.
00;37;32;24 - 00;37;55;20
Filly
So it's kind of like great trauma stress response to that has been addressed. But now we got to look at like the nuances in this and then the shadows that has evolved over time from that event, which is I feel like what we're quite good at. Yeah. Just one other thing that I wanted to pick up around the that Antoinette said.
00;37;56;04 - 00;38;20;29
Filly
So she sounds like she has a very big heart. She's dealing with a lot herself, physically, emotionally, mentally. So I call it psychologically. But amongst all that, she's also home schooling children, caring for others on the spectrum and helping children heal from the traumatic events and never giving up on them. Big, big heart right there straight after that, she says.
00;38;21;02 - 00;38;45;02
Filly
But not having enough of my own self care. So it sounds like, again, if we use the word struggle or the metaphor of struggle, she's struggling with procrastination. She's feeling stuck and she's struggling to stay consistent with self-care. Yet on the flip side, again, just pulling out more data. She also says that she's often hurrying, rushing and addictively doing so.
00;38;45;02 - 00;38;58;19
Filly
It's not like she's not doing anything. She's filling up her time doing something and it sounds like a lot of this is caring for other people too, which is a pattern of rescue are martyrdom.
00;38;59;13 - 00;39;31;11
Chris
And she's she's using language that's shaming, then bumping up into to more energetic, you know, doing things for others. And so that starts on the surface. That's nice. And sometimes we find that that this doing this is is a flight response. It's it's what when you really dig into it. Why are you doing that? Why, why, why, why, why, why, why What does that give you?
00;39;31;18 - 00;39;52;26
Chris
How does that help you? What's the purpose of that? And you and we get our little emotion shovels out and we start dig, dig digging in, and we start to find feelings of of vindictiveness or shame or guilt or not self-love. And and so the the the most you could possibly hope for out of that is is action.
00;39;53;25 - 00;40;13;22
Chris
I love zombies. Zombies I love I love the Walking Dead and often think, well, they're alive or they're they're moving around, but they're not really alive. And sometimes we can go through life like a bit of a zombie, can't we? No, Not dead, but not really alive.
00;40;14;14 - 00;40;51;19
Filly
And it is a common it is a common common trauma response where you're running, running, doing, doing and doing a lot of stuff for other people because essentially that feels safe. Like you're deflecting that deep healing, which may feel scary, may feel painful initially. And so when you put your energy into other people, that feels good, too, because you're getting probably some external validation back from other people that, oh, you are a good human being because you're doing stuff for other people, but essentially you're running away from that broken rapport with yourself that you don't feel good enough or worthy enough or lovable.
00;40;51;29 - 00;40;55;00
Filly
And so that's a big pattern that we see.
00;40;55;00 - 00;41;36;24
Chris
Then can I throw another one in? Okay. Now this is where shame also comes in when we start to base our identity on the things that we can do and that we do do. Helping homeschooling, being a partner, and then all of a sudden our our source of of, of security around ourselves and the certainty around ourselves when we when we can't do the things that we base our whole sense of self on when that that ability to do goes away and fades or is taken from us, we can we can have a bit of a crisis, an existential crisis, a void of identity.
00;41;37;08 - 00;41;59;26
Chris
And and we drop right down into shame and guilt and apathy. Apathy is, is this despairing, hopeless state of of being where I can't I won't this sort of language comes up and then when we try, it's a struggle.
00;42;01;05 - 00;42;19;08
Filly
And it also true that that dropping down into apathy or running away so this lady also had a pattern of trying the next thing, but never really following through a whole process. It's like maybe this is a bit of a ADHD pattern of like, oh, new shiny thing.
00;42;19;23 - 00;42;25;07
Chris
But this all rescued me from my my hopeless state shiny thing.
00;42;25;18 - 00;42;55;12
Filly
Then me then not falling through a whole process and sometimes to at a deep, deep level, it's actually an act of protection and self-love because maybe it's not actually safe to be. Well, maybe it's actually not safe to heal because deep down, someone might believe that they cannot heal, that they don't have what it takes to be well, or if they get healthy and well, they're going to have to, like, show up in life in a different way.
00;42;55;12 - 00;43;27;17
Filly
And that might also feel really scary. So I think I think we've covered a lot of stuff. I think you can see, too, hopefully this is giving you a different perspective on chronic fatigue and ADHD and some of those other symptoms we've listed. And again, we take a very holistic approach. So we still look at the physical. We want to really look at what body systems that burn out because then we can help reset, kill them off, kill off something nasty in there, build it up that physiologically helps you heal.
00;43;27;17 - 00;43;44;01
Filly
But in order to truly in your body burn out, you've got to look deeper into why that happened in the first place and really look at all these hidden dysfunctions inside the body, the environment, the mind, the subconscious state that's causing their health issues to show up in the first place.
00;43;44;01 - 00;43;55;12
Chris
Yeah. You know what? I actually honed in a little language there from. From from you. You got a Oh, no, no, no, no. Don't feel shame or guilt.
00;43;56;10 - 00;43;58;22
Filly
Chris always does this to me.
00;43;59;01 - 00;44;00;09
Chris
Always. Oh.
00;44;00;24 - 00;44;01;22
Filly
Sometimes.
00;44;02;25 - 00;44;10;04
Chris
Hey, look, got to know you, don't. You don't got to you don't got to do, do you?
00;44;10;09 - 00;44;16;18
Filly
But sounds like a bargain to you. You gotta. You gotta do this. Just gotta. You don't have to.
00;44;16;24 - 00;44;36;01
Chris
Yeah, but this, as we said at the start. Yeah, as we said at the start you totally get this is for uh, at the end of the day this is a podcast, this is entertainment, but it's based on real stuff, real stories, real experiences. Feel like there's a cease.
00;44;38;03 - 00;44;58;24
Filly
All right, So if you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to see more, and maybe even if you'd like to see your own case review, go to the show notes. There'll be an application form there. Send it through to us. It's anonymous as well, so don't feel like everyone's going to know everything. It's completely anonymous. Yeah.
00;44;58;24 - 00;45;03;09
Chris
You get to choose if if, if we use yours or swayed on him. Yeah.
00;45;04;06 - 00;45;27;00
Filly
And then also just a reminder for next week, tune into our client. Sam. I have a chat with her about how she overcame chronic fatigue, brain fog, anxiety, gallstone attacks and gut issues using our ending body burn out method. We're so, so excited for you to hear that story and it would just help you provide evidence that you can get over all of this stuff.
00;45;28;13 - 00;45;31;28
Chris
Thanks so much for joining.
